How Did Schon Miss This Guy?

[ttango1]

My bet it is Arnel's choice, or lack of capability. I don't think anyone would question Perry being a half step for even a full step down. Let's face it, he's Steve Fucking Perry. However, a half step down for a replacement singer? Are you kidding me, really? There's a SHITLOAD of people that can sing those songs in the original key. I mean shit, let's get Scott Stapp to sing this crap. I think I understand quite well and Journey are plonkers detuning for a replacement. If you're impressed with a half step down replacement that's your prerogative. I'm just not impressed with something less than the original. And there are folks out there that can do it.

If we went your proposed route, then Journey would have a SHITLOAD OF SINGERS WHO WOULD BOW OUT YEAR-AFTER-YEAR. Recognize!

If Kevin Chalfant was chosen as the lead singer for Journey and told to sing half-a-step down would you complain? Maybe not. Tell us Aaron, if Arnel was like me, a Filipino-American, where the diction issues aren't an issue at all(although to the band's credit, they're working on that with Arnel), would it be okay for him to sing half-a-step down due to Journey orders, if that was the case?? It's not like he can't sing the original key. They do the OG stuff when it's needed most (Think really,really big show or on national TV). When your last concert with the new guy was an astounding success based on both attendance and sales, does that mean, because you think so, he's a failure? If you think so, well... Millions of people disagree with you.

If Journey would have done that for Augeri, then maybe he's still singing for them. But sadly, it took losing 2 Steves for them to realize just how challenging the vocals are for any real serious length-of-a-time.

[Eric]

Nobody can sing this catalog year after year.....Had Arnel not brought the band so much success, he'd probably be out, but you can't replace the guy at this point unless its with Steve Perry.

[KDOUBLEU]

I thought this guy sounded more like Augeri than Perry...

[Since 78]

My bet it is Arnel's choice, or lack of capability. I don't think anyone would question Perry being a half step for even a full step down. Let's face it, he's Steve Fucking Perry. However, a half step down for a replacement singer? Are you kidding me, really? There's a SHITLOAD of people that can sing those songs in the original key. I mean shit, let's get Scott Stapp to sing this crap. I think I understand quite well and Journey are plonkers detuning for a replacement. If you're impressed with a half step down replacement that's your prerogative. I'm just not impressed with something less than the original. And there are folks out there that can do it.

If we went your proposed route, then Journey would have a SHITLOAD OF SINGERS WHO WOULD BOW OUT YEAR-AFTER-YEAR. Recognize!

If Kevin Chalfant was chosen as the lead singer for Journey and told to sing half-a-step down would you complain? Maybe not. Tell us Aaron, if Arnel was like me, a Filipino-American, where the diction issues aren't an issue at all(although to the band's credit, they're working on that with Arnel), would it be okay for him to sing half-a-step down due to Journey orders, if that was the case?? It's not like he can't sing the original key. They do the OG stuff when it's needed most (Think really,really big show or on national TV). When your last concert with the new guy was an astounding success based on both attendance and sales, does that mean, because you think so, he's a failure? If you think so, well... Millions of people disagree with you.

If Journey would have done that for Augeri, then maybe he's still singing for them. But sadly, it took losing 2 Steves for them to realize just how challenging the vocals are for any real serious length-of-a-time.

Good reply! and nice touch on that!

[Michigan Girl]

If Aaron is a racist and doesn't like AP in the band because AP is Filipino!?!?!

[Michigan Girl]

It is C~I~T~A~Y, bitches!!

that's right. 0:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nXhHgzq8vA

lol ...
nice ...good song!

[Since 78]

If Aaron is a racist and doesn't like AP in the band because AP is Filipino!?!?!

What??

[steveo777]

If Aaron is a racist and doesn't like AP in the band because AP is Filipino!?!?!

Is that a statement or a question? Wut?

[Michigan Girl]

It's a nice reply IF Aaron is a racist ...?!?! I'm confused, is he? ...does Ttango know something we don't?!?!
If not ...the reply is mostly crap because that's what he's insinuating!! That's what I said!!!

Who cares if he's Filipino or Filipino American, if diction issues are a problem for someone it doesn't matter what race/nationality the singer is!!

[Since 78]

It's a nice reply IF Aaron is a racist ...?!?! I'm confused, is he? ...does Ttango know something we don't?!?!
If not ...the reply is mostly crap because that's what he's insinuating!! That's what I said!!!

Who cares if he's Filipino or Filipino American, if diction issues are a problem for someone it doesn't matter what race/nationality the singer is!!

No, he is talking about diction issues, that's what he said. And if WE don't like the way he say's it WE can disagree. Everybody and his mother is a better singer than Arnel, according to some around here, and its based on diction, not true singing ability. Arnel mops the floor with most of these guys, IF the guys would let him sing the songs correctly and that part I do agree with.

[Michigan Girl]

It's a nice reply IF Aaron is a racist ...?!?! I'm confused, is he? ...does Ttango know something we don't?!?!
If not ...the reply is mostly crap because that's what he's insinuating!! That's what I said!!!

Who cares if he's Filipino or Filipino American, if diction issues are a problem for someone it doesn't matter what race/nationality the singer is!!

No, he is talking about diction issues, that's what he said. And if WE don't like the way he say's it WE can disagree. Everybody and his mother is a better singer than Arnel, according to some around here, and its based on diction, not true singing ability. Arnel mops the floor with most of these guys, IF the guys would let him sing the songs correctly and that part I do agree with.

Thanks, 78 ...I didn't like the way he said it!!

[Since 78]

It's a nice reply IF Aaron is a racist ...?!?! I'm confused, is he? ...does Ttango know something we don't?!?!
If not ...the reply is mostly crap because that's what he's insinuating!! That's what I said!!!

Who cares if he's Filipino or Filipino American, if diction issues are a problem for someone it doesn't matter what race/nationality the singer is!!

No, he is talking about diction issues, that's what he said. And if WE don't like the way he say's it WE can disagree. Everybody and his mother is a better singer than Arnel, according to some around here, and its based on diction, not true singing ability. Arnel mops the floor with most of these guys, IF the guys would let him sing the songs correctly and that part I do agree with.

Thanks, 78 ...I didn't like the way he said it!!

Lol!

[KenTheDude]

Jason Kelty still gets my vote.

[Saint John]

Jason Kelty still gets my vote.

Got to hear him sing live. Dude was the real deal.

[Eric]

Jason Kelty still gets my vote.

Yep...those clips on here were UNREAL.

[Jeremey]

Nobody can sing this catalog year after year.....Had Arnel not brought the band so much success, he'd probably be out, but you can't replace the guy at this point unless its with Steve Perry.

Man I don't want to jinx myself but I read this and wondered how much time I got left, LOL...I've been singing 2 hour sets in the original key full time (2-4 nights a week) 52 weeks a year for over 3 years now. If Journey averaged 4 months a year on tour that would put my tenure at 9 tours now? Jeesh, maybe it's time to stop all that smoking and drinking. Really puts things in perspective, LOL!

[Ehwmatt]

Nobody can sing this catalog year after year.....Had Arnel not brought the band so much success, he'd probably be out, but you can't replace the guy at this point unless its with Steve Perry.

Man I don't want to jinx myself but I read this and wondered how much time I got left, LOL...I've been singing 2 hour sets in the original key full time (2-4 nights a week) 52 weeks a year for over 3 years now. If Journey averaged 4 months a year on tour that would put my tenure at 9 tours now? Jeesh, maybe it's time to stop all that smoking and drinking. Really puts things in perspective, LOL!

I couldn't believe you were smokin a fuckin cigarette the other night. I never knew you smoked. That shit is fuckin stupid

[Eric]

Nobody can sing this catalog year after year.....Had Arnel not brought the band so much success, he'd probably be out, but you can't replace the guy at this point unless its with Steve Perry.

Man I don't want to jinx myself but I read this and wondered how much time I got left, LOL...I've been singing 2 hour sets in the original key full time (2-4 nights a week) 52 weeks a year for over 3 years now. If Journey averaged 4 months a year on tour that would put my tenure at 9 tours now? Jeesh, maybe it's time to stop all that smoking and drinking. Really puts things in perspective, LOL!

Do you think you could do all the back-to-backs all summer every year...that is, if you had stayed with them and toured in 2008 and 2009, would you have needed this summer off you think?

[Jeremey]

Nobody can sing this catalog year after year.....Had Arnel not brought the band so much success, he'd probably be out, but you can't replace the guy at this point unless its with Steve Perry.

Man I don't want to jinx myself but I read this and wondered how much time I got left, LOL...I've been singing 2 hour sets in the original key full time (2-4 nights a week) 52 weeks a year for over 3 years now. If Journey averaged 4 months a year on tour that would put my tenure at 9 tours now? Jeesh, maybe it's time to stop all that smoking and drinking. Really puts things in perspective, LOL!

I couldn't believe you were smokin a fuckin cigarette the other night. I never knew you smoked. That shit is fuckin stupid

Ha ha, I wasn't talking about cigs....BTW when the fuck are you going to hang out with us instead of passing out somewhere before we finish loading out?

[Jeremey]

Nobody can sing this catalog year after year.....Had Arnel not brought the band so much success, he'd probably be out, but you can't replace the guy at this point unless its with Steve Perry.

Man I don't want to jinx myself but I read this and wondered how much time I got left, LOL...I've been singing 2 hour sets in the original key full time (2-4 nights a week) 52 weeks a year for over 3 years now. If Journey averaged 4 months a year on tour that would put my tenure at 9 tours now? Jeesh, maybe it's time to stop all that smoking and drinking. Really puts things in perspective, LOL!

Do you think you could do all the back-to-backs all summer every year...that is, if you had stayed with them and toured in 2008 and 2009, would you have needed this summer off you think?

Man, I have no idea, any number of factors would affect that answer one way or another. I'm inclined to say yes, because I've done all that and then some, but all it takes is having to sing through a couple of sinus infections to put you down for the count. Luckily I've never had to cancel a gig due to illness in the past 8 years.

[Ehwmatt]

Nobody can sing this catalog year after year.....Had Arnel not brought the band so much success, he'd probably be out, but you can't replace the guy at this point unless its with Steve Perry.

Man I don't want to jinx myself but I read this and wondered how much time I got left, LOL...I've been singing 2 hour sets in the original key full time (2-4 nights a week) 52 weeks a year for over 3 years now. If Journey averaged 4 months a year on tour that would put my tenure at 9 tours now? Jeesh, maybe it's time to stop all that smoking and drinking. Really puts things in perspective, LOL!

I couldn't believe you were smokin a fuckin cigarette the other night. I never knew you smoked. That shit is fuckin stupid

Ha ha, I wasn't talking about cigs....BTW when the fuck are you going to hang out with us instead of passing out somewhere before we finish loading out?

Lol man, it was a work night after a rough long weekend. Took forever to cash out at the bar and then I realized it was gonna be a bitch to park at the Hilton Garden, so I just went home. Plus, I didn't have my Glock on me and if you go down Carnegie just a bit more on a deserted night like that, it can get dicey. I promise we'll hang next time.

You were in ridiculous form the other night dude - the recent YouTube stuff didn't do the new material justice. Missing You was incredible - too bad most of the crowd didn't seem to know the tune. Quit smoking, maintain them pipes.

How drunk was that stupid bitch from the show btw?

[ttango1]

It's a nice reply IF Aaron is a racist ...?!?! I'm confused, is he? ...does Ttango know something we don't?!?!
If not ...the reply is mostly crap because that's what he's insinuating!! That's what I said!!!

Who cares if he's Filipino or Filipino American, if diction issues are a problem for someone it doesn't matter what race/nationality the singer is!!

No, he is talking about diction issues, that's what he said. And if WE don't like the way he say's it WE can disagree. Everybody and his mother is a better singer than Arnel, according to some around here, and its based on diction, not true singing ability. Arnel mops the floor with most of these guys, IF the guys would let him sing the songs correctly and that part I do agree with.

Thanks, 78 ...I didn't like the way he said it!!

That's fine. Thanks for at least acknowledging I said it. I'm not inferring he's racist. Aaron doesn't seem to be racist. He could be nationalist. That's when you only want American singers to sing for an American band. But he didn't say that or intimate that either. He just said that if AP couldn't sing the tunes in the original key, then the band should replace him with "a shitload of singers". That's what he said. I just posed the question if AP was a Filipino-American like me, and didn't have ANY DICTION issues, and can, in fact, sing in the original key, would it be okay for him not to, when the band orders the detuning to happen? I then asked if it was Chalfant would that be okay? Hell, if AP is replaced by a girl from Ghana with a steve-like tenor, would that be okay?

The fact that Journey is still relevant is a boon to ALL OF US, unless we choose for it not to be. As a person of Filipino descent I can tell you with some certainty, that I hear more diction issues(stuff pretty subtle) than you guys hear because I know which phrases and words that could cause possible issues because of how the Filipino accent accentuates certain sounds. It's subtle and most people don't hear those but I do. But truthfully, those ones don't bother me as much as the ones you guys point out. Because it's the ones that you guys detect that are the most glaring and I agree, those are the ones that need to be eliminated so when it gets down to it, you're just talking about a kick-ass experience, instead of griping about how those things disappointed you.

[steveo777]

It's a nice reply IF Aaron is a racist ...?!?! I'm confused, is he? ...does Ttango know something we don't?!?!
If not ...the reply is mostly crap because that's what he's insinuating!! That's what I said!!!

Who cares if he's Filipino or Filipino American, if diction issues are a problem for someone it doesn't matter what race/nationality the singer is!!

No, he is talking about diction issues, that's what he said. And if WE don't like the way he say's it WE can disagree. Everybody and his mother is a better singer than Arnel, according to some around here, and its based on diction, not true singing ability. Arnel mops the floor with most of these guys, IF the guys would let him sing the songs correctly and that part I do agree with.

Thanks, 78 ...I didn't like the way he said it!!

That's fine. Thanks for at least acknowledging I said it. I'm not inferring he's racist. Aaron doesn't seem to be racist. He could be nationalist. That's when you only want American singers to sing for an American band. But he didn't say that or intimate that either. He just said that if AP couldn't sing the tunes in the original key, then the band should replace him with "a shitload of singers". That's what he said. I just posed the question if AP was a Filipino-American like me, and didn't have ANY DICTION issues, and can, in fact, sing in the original key, would it be okay for him not to, when the band orders the detuning to happen? I then asked if it was Chalfant would that be okay? Hell, if AP is replaced by a girl from Ghana with a steve-like tenor, would that be okay?

The fact that Journey is still relevant is a boon to ALL OF US, unless we choose for it not to be. As a person of Filipino descent I can tell you with some certainty, that I hear more diction issues(stuff pretty subtle) than you guys hear because I know which phrases and words that could cause possible issues because of how the Filipino accent accentuates certain sounds. It's subtle and most people don't hear those but I do. But truthfully, those ones don't bother me as much as the ones you guys point out. Because it's the ones that you guys detect that are the most glaring and I agree, those are the ones that need to be eliminated so when it gets down to it, you're just talking about a kick-ass experience, instead of griping about how those things disappointed you.

If and when those things can be corrected Arnel + Journey is powerful good!

[Aaron]

Perry did it.

My bet it is Arnel's choice, or lack of capability. I don't think anyone would question Perry being a half step for even a full step down. Let's face it, he's Steve Fucking Perry. However, a half step down for a replacement singer? Are you kidding me, really? There's a SHITLOAD of people that can sing those songs in the original key. I mean shit, let's get Scott Stapp to sing this crap. I think I understand quite well and Journey are plonkers detuning for a replacement. If you're impressed with a half step down replacement that's your prerogative. I'm just not impressed with something less than the original. And there are folks out there that can do it.

maybe...but nobody who has ever done full touring on this catalog for 10 years in original key has ever survived it without it shredding the voice. You can do it at 30, but at 40+ years of age, it takes more time for the voice to recover. Without that time, the voice goes downhill.

Most people other than the diehards either a) can't tell the difference...or b) couldn't care less, so why would you NOT go down one-half step? If it buys your singer a few extra years, why would you not go down? If they had done that from the beginning, Augeri probably wouldn't have blown out his voice. Perry might not have either.

[Aaron]

Dude, don't try the race baiting tactic with me. It's all about the music to me. Orders or not, the music is a half step down the only reason to detune for the singer. Whether it's Arnel's choice or the band's, I really don't care. It doesn't change the music being a half step down. They aren't down tuning due to the guitarist finger strength are they? Uh, no. So why detune for Arnel when they wouldn't for Augeri? The world only knows. In any event, I wouldn't have been ok with Augeri down tuning either. I'm not ok with the diction issues either. Arnel has been in the band long enough to have those issues resolved. That is purely lack of dedication and professionalism. It should have been resolved a long ago.

My bet it is Arnel's choice, or lack of capability. I don't think anyone would question Perry being a half step for even a full step down. Let's face it, he's Steve Fucking Perry. However, a half step down for a replacement singer? Are you kidding me, really? There's a SHITLOAD of people that can sing those songs in the original key. I mean shit, let's get Scott Stapp to sing this crap. I think I understand quite well and Journey are plonkers detuning for a replacement. If you're impressed with a half step down replacement that's your prerogative. I'm just not impressed with something less than the original. And there are folks out there that can do it.

If we went your proposed route, then Journey would have a SHITLOAD OF SINGERS WHO WOULD BOW OUT YEAR-AFTER-YEAR. Recognize!

If Kevin Chalfant was chosen as the lead singer for Journey and told to sing half-a-step down would you complain? Maybe not. Tell us Aaron, if Arnel was like me, a Filipino-American, where the diction issues aren't an issue at all(although to the band's credit, they're working on that with Arnel), would it be okay for him to sing half-a-step down due to Journey orders, if that was the case?? It's not like he can't sing the original key. They do the OG stuff when it's needed most (Think really,really big show or on national TV). When your last concert with the new guy was an astounding success based on both attendance and sales, does that mean, because you think so, he's a failure? If you think so, well... Millions of people disagree with you.

If Journey would have done that for Augeri, then maybe he's still singing for them. But sadly, it took losing 2 Steves for them to realize just how challenging the vocals are for any real serious length-of-a-time.

[Aaron]

+1 brother

Nobody can sing this catalog year after year.....Had Arnel not brought the band so much success, he'd probably be out, but you can't replace the guy at this point unless its with Steve Perry.

Man I don't want to jinx myself but I read this and wondered how much time I got left, LOL...I've been singing 2 hour sets in the original key full time (2-4 nights a week) 52 weeks a year for over 3 years now. If Journey averaged 4 months a year on tour that would put my tenure at 9 tours now? Jeesh, maybe it's time to stop all that smoking and drinking. Really puts things in perspective, LOL!

[Aaron]

Me too, the dude is the real deal.

Jason Kelty still gets my vote.

Got to hear him sing live. Dude was the real deal.

[Ligzig]

Perry did it.

My bet it is Arnel's choice, or lack of capability. I don't think anyone would question Perry being a half step for even a full step down. Let's face it, he's Steve Fucking Perry. However, a half step down for a replacement singer? Are you kidding me, really? There's a SHITLOAD of people that can sing those songs in the original key. I mean shit, let's get Scott Stapp to sing this crap. I think I understand quite well and Journey are plonkers detuning for a replacement. If you're impressed with a half step down replacement that's your prerogative. I'm just not impressed with something less than the original. And there are folks out there that can do it.

maybe...but nobody who has ever done full touring on this catalog for 10 years in original key has ever survived it without it shredding the voice. You can do it at 30, but at 40+ years of age, it takes more time for the voice to recover. Without that time, the voice goes downhill.

Most people other than the diehards either a) can't tell the difference...or b) couldn't care less, so why would you NOT go down one-half step? If it buys your singer a few extra years, why would you not go down? If they had done that from the beginning, Augeri probably wouldn't have blown out his voice. Perry might not have either.

Where is Perry now?

[Aaron]

Thanks and I appreciate the support. It's the music that I'm focused on. My expectations do not change regardless of a person's race, nationality, etc. The facts are the facts with Arnel.

It's a nice reply IF Aaron is a racist ...?!?! I'm confused, is he? ...does Ttango know something we don't?!?!
If not ...the reply is mostly crap because that's what he's insinuating!! That's what I said!!!

Who cares if he's Filipino or Filipino American, if diction issues are a problem for someone it doesn't matter what race/nationality the singer is!!

[Aaron]

We can only speculate now but, given he's in his 60's, my guess is sitting back having a cold one while having the Journey boys work for him.

Perry did it.

My bet it is Arnel's choice, or lack of capability. I don't think anyone would question Perry being a half step for even a full step down. Let's face it, he's Steve Fucking Perry. However, a half step down for a replacement singer? Are you kidding me, really? There's a SHITLOAD of people that can sing those songs in the original key. I mean shit, let's get Scott Stapp to sing this crap. I think I understand quite well and Journey are plonkers detuning for a replacement. If you're impressed with a half step down replacement that's your prerogative. I'm just not impressed with something less than the original. And there are folks out there that can do it.

maybe...but nobody who has ever done full touring on this catalog for 10 years in original key has ever survived it without it shredding the voice. You can do it at 30, but at 40+ years of age, it takes more time for the voice to recover. Without that time, the voice goes downhill.

Most people other than the diehards either a) can't tell the difference...or b) couldn't care less, so why would you NOT go down one-half step? If it buys your singer a few extra years, why would you not go down? If they had done that from the beginning, Augeri probably wouldn't have blown out his voice. Perry might not have either.

Where is Perry now?