WHATS UP WITH STEVE PERRY????

[piecesofeight]

Monker is pretty much right on the money.

The only thing that Perry didn't want was for them to use the Journey name.

Even DDY will tell you that what happened to him, and what happened to Perry are completely different.

Perry also has fired, DDY never has.

One of the main reason that a Perry and DDY tour has never happened is that Perry doesn't want to. You think DDY doesn't want to tour much, Perry even more so.

By the way, Neal Schon will be on Rockline on January the 19th of '05.

[thebook]

3. If you are a TRUE Journey fan (or fan of anyone), then you will be a fan no matter what.....

Interesting comment here, since just about every Journey fan came on-board only when Perry arrived (about 79 out of the 80 million record buyers). Journey is I think a unique exception in that the first three albums are very different to anything since and are mostly unheard of by the general public. To this day, most people I know still think Infinity was the first album. So, there will be fans who don't really care about the first three albums and are not fans of those "pre-perry" albums, and most likely think it is not "Journey" which is ironic since it was the first incarnation of the band (hence all the heated battles on Journey internet boards). The first two are pretty good actually, while the the third one is just awful (except for 3 tracks)

[piecesofeight]

3. If you are a TRUE Journey fan (or fan of anyone), then you will be a fan no matter what..

I see it completely opposite. If you are a TRUE fan, you will not follow these covers bands.

[Monker]

3. If you are a TRUE Journey fan (or fan of anyone), then you will be a fan no matter what..

I see it completely opposite. If you are a TRUE fan, you will not follow these covers bands.

There is no such thing as a "true" fan. A person either considers themself a fan or not. That's the extent of it. They do not have to live up to the expectations of other fans and the definition they promote. If there are 'true' fans, what exactly is a 'false' fan?

If I like Journey without Perry and consider myself a fan, then I am
If I like Styx without Dennis and consider myself a fan, then I am.

Who are you to dictate who is a 'true' fan and who isn't?

[Monker]

Interesting comment here, since just about every Journey fan came on-board only when Perry arrived (about 79 out of the 80 million record buyers).
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The above is simply not true. "Most" Journey fans came aboard with the release of Escape and Frontiers...NOT Infinity. The truth is it would take the total sales of Infinity, Evolution, and Departure to equate the sales of Escape in 1982. In fact, most of Journey's album sales are from Escape, Frontiers, and Greatest hits.

Journey is I think a unique exception in that the first three albums are very different to anything since and are mostly unheard of by the general public.

That is no different then Styx. With the notable exception of "Lady", you NEVER hear anything from Styx I, Styx II, "Serpent Is Rising" and "Man of Miracles". In fact, Styx were also doing Progressive rock, just as Journey was.

To this day, most people I know still think Infinity was the first album. So, there will be fans who don't really care about the first three albums and are not fans of those "pre-perry" albums

And, there are probably Styx fans who are not fans of the pre-Tommy Shaw albums.

[mnmsjrny]

Interesting comment here, since just about every Journey fan came on-board only when Perry arrived (about 79 out of the 80 million record buyers). Journey is I think a unique exception in that the first three albums are very different to anything since and are mostly unheard of by the general public. To this day, most people I know still think Infinity was the first album. So, there will be fans who don't really care about the first three albums and are not fans of those "pre-perry" albums, and most likely think it is not "Journey" which is ironic since it was the first incarnation of the band (hence all the heated battles on Journey internet boards). The first two are pretty good actually, while the the third one is just awful (except for 3 tracks)

The reverse is also true... I know a few Journey fans who said "to hell with this" when Perry joined... they still listen to just those first 3.

[jrnyman28]

At least then Journey could move on as it should, getting out from under the dark cloud hanging over the band's head, and Steve Augeri would be able to breathe a sigh of relief. [/b][/color]

I think Journey are doing that. With every year that goes by, the crowds get bigger, the "animosity" seems a little less bitter, the fight seems to be waning between the factions. 2005 COULD be a very big year for the band having a new full-length CD, a tour, the HWOF, plus the attention from Soul Sirkus. Now there are 'rumors' of a large portion of new material on the tour...this could be very good.

[jrnyman28]

To the man's credit, he is a much much better singer now than he ever used to be. Listen to him sing LIVE on the Tyketto album (it's pretty horrendous). I like Augeri, but I just don't see why Neal didn't go with the already proven Kevin Chalfant.

It has been said that Kevin did not fit "personality-wise". Even Kevin acknowledged this. I can easily see that Neal would not have wanted another strong-willed member in "his" band. This is my one criticism of Augeri...he doesn't push when there may be a need for it. He is incredibly humble and he has taken a back-seat in Journey. There were many times when Journey should have really made Augeri the focal point of the band instead of Neal. They needed to show they were standing behind Augeri.

As for Augeri's performances...he definately has done nothing but improve over the years. And I think his biggest improvements came when he stopped trying to sing like Perry. Once Augeri found his own voice on the material he became a stronger performer.

[jrnyman28]

The first two are pretty good actually, while the the third one is just awful (except for 3 tracks)

Funny since that album is their turn to a more vocal/pop style. Much of the characteristics on Infinity began on Next...

[Since 78]

I am not writing to cause a big controversy, but what is REALLY up with Steve Perry?? I dont care what everyone says he is the voice of Journey. If he was not, why would of Neil,Jon& Deen gone out and gotten a clone Steve Perry voice??? So where is Steve Perry now? What does he do? If Journey called would he come back? If he called Journey would they let him back? Is music still in him? Will he ever record or tour again? Is his voice fried? Is he the prick some make him out to be? I would REALLY love to know the answers to these and many many more questions.

One thing I do know is I saw him perform in San Antonio on his Strange Medicine Tour. He didnt play as long as I would of liked, but he sounded GREAT!!!

So whats really up????????????????????????????????????

Still Nothing!

[steveo777]

Caveat Emptor!

[FamilyMan]

1. Perry had the chance to continue with Journey, but decided not to. He could have got his hip fixed and moved on, but he kept everyone waiting, which I see as really letting the guys in the band down and again in his own way trying to control. He said never felt like a member? I guess you can't be a member when you control everything.

2. If Perry wants to record or tour like he said he wanted to, he will. I saw him in '95 and he was GREAT!!!!!! He could have done more solo material ( he only did 6 solo songs). Hopefully he will work again and not become a "Greatest Hits" act, like Journey is fastly becoming.

3. If you are a TRUE Journey fan (or fan of anyone), then you will be a fan no matter what. Any singer or drummer, through bad albums, and you won't go get a beer or take a leak when they play new songs.
Let them grow and express themselves. Why do you think there is Soul Sirkus? Members need to be able to get out new ideas. Arrival was a good CD, but who gave it, or Augeri, a real chance? Journey has had at different times: 7 singers singing lead ( Gregg, Robert, Neal, Perry, Jon, Augeri, Deen), 5 drummers( Prairie, Ansley, Steve, Mike, Deen), 2 bassists( Ross, Randy) and even 2 Guitarists(Neal, George). Guess what? It is all Journey. If the spirit is alive, then the band is alive. Does a sports team stop being that team when they change the QB?

4. Journey kicks ass.

Think you forgot a singer... (JSS)

[kgdjpubs]

1. Perry had the chance to continue with Journey, but decided not to. He could have got his hip fixed and moved on, but he kept everyone waiting, which I see as really letting the guys in the band down and again in his own way trying to control. He said never felt like a member? I guess you can't be a member when you control everything.

2. If Perry wants to record or tour like he said he wanted to, he will. I saw him in '95 and he was GREAT!!!!!! He could have done more solo material ( he only did 6 solo songs). Hopefully he will work again and not become a "Greatest Hits" act, like Journey is fastly becoming.

3. If you are a TRUE Journey fan (or fan of anyone), then you will be a fan no matter what. Any singer or drummer, through bad albums, and you won't go get a beer or take a leak when they play new songs.
Let them grow and express themselves. Why do you think there is Soul Sirkus? Members need to be able to get out new ideas. Arrival was a good CD, but who gave it, or Augeri, a real chance? Journey has had at different times: 7 singers singing lead ( Gregg, Robert, Neal, Perry, Jon, Augeri, Deen), 5 drummers( Prairie, Ansley, Steve, Mike, Deen), 2 bassists( Ross, Randy) and even 2 Guitarists(Neal, George). Guess what? It is all Journey. If the spirit is alive, then the band is alive. Does a sports team stop being that team when they change the QB?

4. Journey kicks ass.

Think you forgot a singer... (JSS)

hard to leave JSS out as he wasn't a part of the band when the post was written in 2004. Why this has been resurrected is beyond me.

[Red13JoePa]

not one person in the Journey circle(the massive total circle that is all of us), wouldn't go see him lead the band again.

I've verbalized this to you at least 40 times that I'd rather watch crab grass grow than see them hitch their wagon to him again.

But granted, relatively speaking you're right that most of the masses think "Don't Stop Believing" and "Oh Sherrie" are done by the same band, Journey.

Same kind of songs, EXACT same voice, meh...

[Liquid_Drummer]

Been away for a while but I am home on short term medical leave because my neck (c3 disc) is pinching nerves !!! Now I have some time to post and what a meaty thread I find. The old What Is Perry Doing for the one billionth time. Im game.

As I have said in the past, A birdie that I think really knows some inside stuff (a former rock journalist and still a journalist which is why I can not say who) that was backed up by one of his friends that worked with him on assignments in the late 70's through early 90's. Grunge put them out of work too hehe !

All to be taken with the usual HUGE grain of salt but it really makes sense to me.

HE CAN NOT SING THE OLD CATALOG AND IT WOULD BE EXPECTED OF HIM TO DO SO IN ANY LIVE OUTING. DId I scream ? Sorry.

The birdies told me that he basically fried his voice from over use and a little (nothing serious) substance abuse. Who could blame the guy considering the pressures, the loss of his relationship and his mothers death. Another opinion from a vocal expert (if I can find the article again I will repost it) said that what she heard was textbook nodules and stiffening of the vocal folds which began in late 82, and was more obvious in each release after. These conditions are caused by over use and can be caused by excessive drinking. There are laser treatments available for these conditions as Steven Tyler had done which restored his voice to damn near 1973 quality (listen to dream on post op. (hope its not backing tapes). Who knows really. I think that he cant do it so he doesnt and he doesnt need to as he is set for life anyway. Notice how he always seems to speak about singing and playing live with a little bittersweet tinge. HIs body language also suggests that he gets a bit tense when it comes up. I think his voice is just not there and he is living as he sees fit.

Thats my 2cents.

[whirlwind]

Where is it written that he MUST be able to sing the old catalog? Say he puts out a new album with songs in whatever key he now can sustain? It's would be Steve Perry, singing "Still Here" in whatever key he is comfortable with. Many have stated that he still has it and the old catalog might be better than ever in a lower key. I wouldn't expect him to tour anyway, so let the old catalog rest in peace. I could care less if he ever sang the old songs again. Been there! Done that!

[Jana]

Where is it written that he MUST be able to sing the old catalog? Say he puts out a new album with songs in whatever key he now can sustain? It's would be Steve Perry, singing "Still Here" in whatever key he is comfortable with. Many have stated that he still has it and the old catalog might be better than ever in a lower key. I wouldn't expect him to tour anyway, so let the old catalog rest in peace. I could care less if he ever sang the old songs again. Been there! Done that!

It's not looking good for a new album either.

[Lora]

The birdies told me that he basically fried his voice from over use and a little (nothing serious) substance abuse.

Hope those birdies don't poo on your car. If they do, make sure you clean it off right away as it can damage the paint.

[perryfaithful]

The birdies told me that he basically fried his voice from over use and a little (nothing serious) substance abuse.

Hope those birdies don't poo on your car. If they do, make sure you clean it off right away as it can damage the paint.

[Liquid_Drummer]

The birdies told me that he basically fried his voice from over use and a little (nothing serious) substance abuse.

Hope those birdies don't poo on your car. If they do, make sure you clean it off right away as it can damage the paint.

Haha ! Speaking of cars my car burned to the frikin ground last month. 2010 (esp August) has sucked so hard.

[Ftloperry]

The birdies told me that he basically fried his voice from over use and a little (nothing serious) substance abuse.

Hope those birdies don't poo on your car. If they do, make sure you clean it off right away as it can damage the paint.

[steveo777]

The birdies told me that he basically fried his voice from over use and a little (nothing serious) substance abuse.

Hope those birdies don't poo on your car. If they do, make sure you clean it off right away as it can damage the paint.

Haha....who in the fuck are you?

[WalrusOct9]

Where is it written that he MUST be able to sing the old catalog? Say he puts out a new album with songs in whatever key he now can sustain? It's would be Steve Perry, singing "Still Here" in whatever key he is comfortable with. Many have stated that he still has it and the old catalog might be better than ever in a lower key. I wouldn't expect him to tour anyway, so let the old catalog rest in peace. I could care less if he ever sang the old songs again. Been there! Done that!

The other 99% of the planet would want him to go sing Journey songs. I like McCartney's newer stuff (That Fireman album was spectacular), and I honestly wish he'd play more of it in concert, but if I see him live, I still want to hear a healthy amount of Beatles and 70's stuff. It's just how it is, especially with a big name act who'd be playing big venues.

[RPM]

Of course that would be expected of him. Hes not stupid, I applaud him for not pulling a rod stewart
sing the oldies i am washed up bullshit albums, hes a Legend, one of the greatest vocalist the world
has ever seen, keep smiling and cashing the checks Steve, you earned it.

[portland]

Of course that would be expected of him. Hes not stupid, I applaud him for not pulling a rod stewart
sing the oldies i am washed up bullshit albums, hes a Legend, one of the greatest vocalist the world
has ever seen, keep smiling and cashing the checks Steve, you earned it.

+1.....and if you feel the need to release new music....ready and waiting...if not thanks for what I have.

[TRAGChick]

Of course that would be expected of him. Hes not stupid,

I applaud him for not pulling a rod stewart sing the oldies i am washed up bullshit albums,

hes a Legend, one of the greatest vocalist the world
has ever seen, keep smiling and cashing the checks Steve, you earned it.

What RPM said. \~/

[NoMoreTails]

If Perry still had it, we'd be hearing it.

[Saint John]

If Perry still had it, we'd be hearing it.

Makes perfect sense to me. Couple that what Herbie said ("He's gone to all of the best vocal coaches in the world, but there's just nothing left.") and his output over the last 15 years says it all. But you can't tell a bunch of wet-in-the-panties women that and expect them to believe it. I'm just hoping that modern surgery might someday be able to reverse all of the years of negligence he inflicted upon himself. Short of that, he just ain't got it anymore.

[Art Vandelay]

If Perry still had it, we'd be hearing it.

Makes perfect sense to me. Couple that what Herbie said ("He's gone to all of the best vocal coaches in the world, but there's just nothing left.") and his output over the last 15 years says it all. But you can't tell a bunch of wet-in-the-panties women that and expect them to believe it. I'm just hoping that modern surgery might someday be able to reverse all of the years of negligence he inflicted upon himself. Short of that, he just ain't got it anymore.

Really? So no tour or record = self-inflicted negligence? You must have years of daily info on him to make such a ballsy statement like that!

[Jana]

Of course that would be expected of him. Hes not stupid, I applaud him for not pulling a rod stewart
sing the oldies i am washed up bullshit albums, hes a Legend, one of the greatest vocalist the world
has ever seen, keep smiling and cashing the checks Steve, you earned it.

Why spend the last two years working on an album and not release it? Strange. That's got nothing to do with oldies. He has new music that it looks like isn't going to see the light of day.