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Postby S2M » Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:33 am

...This year I will be sticking to my rule of not complaining about calls by the refs....I will stick to it....lol

However, I was wondering if there are ANY rules, or policies you see that the NFL should address...Whether its WR possession in the endzone, the tuck rule, or running into the kicker.....etc. I have a few, but will wait a bit to add them....

discuss.....
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Re: For all you NFL fans....

Postby lights1961 » Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:41 am

S2M wrote:...This year I will be sticking to my rule of not complaining about calls by the refs....I will stick to it....lol

However, I was wondering if there are ANY rules, or policies you see that the NFL should address...Whether its WR possession in the endzone, the tuck rule, or running into the kicker.....etc. I have a few, but will wait a bit to add them....

discuss.....


get the labor issue settled... otherwise no football in 2011...

now onto complaining about the officals... only if your team loses, do we complain about the officals... otherwise its a nonevent...
some of the rule changes...pass interference and defensive holding... i wish the refs would be more consistant with the calls...but more importantly I would rather have the pass interference be a 15 yard penalty... than a spot foul... too much reward for a offensive... that is throwing up a pass just to get the call...
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Re: For all you NFL fans....

Postby Angel » Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:51 am

S2M wrote:...This year I will be sticking to my rule of not complaining about calls by the refs....I will stick to it....lol

However, I was wondering if there are ANY rules, or policies you see that the NFL should address...Whether its WR possession in the endzone, the tuck rule, or running into the kicker.....etc. I have a few, but will wait a bit to add them....

discuss.....


Offensive pass interference...I think it's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of....I know, there's a really good reason for it-I just think it's stupid.
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Postby S2M » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:06 am

To me, there is no labor issue. All these players are seeing what owners are making and want a bigger piece of the pie. Personally, I'm not worried about how much my boss is making, just as long as I'm getting paid my worth. Are you telling me 12 mil a year isn't enough, but 14 is? Pennies. Arguing over pennies.

As far as rule changes? WR possession in the endzone. To me, two feet down and possession for ONE second. if it comes out after that....still a TD, should not have to have possession all the way to the ground, and certainly not while you are falling out of bounds.

Next, Running into the kicker...if you just graze a kicker. That is....touch his arm hair...that is not a penalty. This crap about allowing him room to replace his kicking foot on the ground is crap....that rule is kinda weird in the first place. If you block the ball, all bets are off and you can fucking drill the guy, but if you miss the ball(and totally commited in the air), you must stop your body in mid-flight and somehow miss him? Lame.

Offensive holding - it is said it can be called on EVERY play from scrimmage. If that is true - call it on every play. Cost the Patriots an undefeated season....

Defensive holding - I'm tired of seeing DBs holding WR's arms and hands....there is a 5-yard chuck rule. Referees should stick to it.

Intentional Grounding - More strict rules on that. QBs shouldn't be allowed to just throw the ball away AT ALL. Pussies already get preferential treatment. Why give them another piece of women's clothing?

Instant replay System - get rid of the red flags. Have a replay official looking at every play in a booth. The integrity of the game is more important than speeding it up. It is more important to have a fair game than a quick one. Along those lines, I'd like to see replay changed in a general fashion league wide. This whole thing about what the call was on the field gets precedent, even if it is the wrong call. Well if replay doesn't show conclusive evidence to overrule the call on the field, it stands. My question is: If the call is actually wrong, but for some reason they don't have that overturning evidence....what fucking evidence did the ref see to make the original call?!?


One more: Holding shouldn't be allowed in any fashion in football. Even when the ball is tipped.
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Re: For all you NFL fans....

Postby RedWingFan » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:53 am

Angel wrote:
S2M wrote:...This year I will be sticking to my rule of not complaining about calls by the refs....I will stick to it....lol

However, I was wondering if there are ANY rules, or policies you see that the NFL should address...Whether its WR possession in the endzone, the tuck rule, or running into the kicker.....etc. I have a few, but will wait a bit to add them....

discuss.....


Offensive pass interference...I think it's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of....I know, there's a really good reason for it-I just think it's stupid.

So you think a receiver should be able to throw a corner to the ground or whatever he wants to get separation?
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Re: For all you NFL fans....

Postby Angel » Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:47 am

RedWingFan wrote:
Angel wrote:
S2M wrote:...This year I will be sticking to my rule of not complaining about calls by the refs....I will stick to it....lol

However, I was wondering if there are ANY rules, or policies you see that the NFL should address...Whether its WR possession in the endzone, the tuck rule, or running into the kicker.....etc. I have a few, but will wait a bit to add them....

discuss.....


Offensive pass interference...I think it's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of....I know, there's a really good reason for it-I just think it's stupid.

So you think a receiver should be able to throw a corner to the ground or whatever he wants to get separation?


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Postby conversationpc » Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:31 am

I think the rule is stupid that a receiver can catch a ball, have possession, and then hit the ground with the ball coming out and it's not a catch because of that. If a running back hits the ground and the ball comes out, they don't call that a fumble, do they? That Calvin Johnson catch in week 1 should have been a TD, period.

Why is an offensive holding penalty worth ten yards but defensive holding is only worth five yards?
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Postby Jonny B » Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:30 am

I was never a fan of the Roughing the Passer rule. To a certain extent, it almost goes hand-in-hand with Roughing the Kicker. At what point does it become a penalty when the ball is no longer on the hand/foot of the player in question? Sometimes I think they overprotect players these days.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:51 am

As far as the rule-book, I think 90% of the carefully structured game is fine the way it is. However, I DO have some quirks about pointless and just nauseating rules.

Roughing/Running into the Kicker: I can't put into words how unbelievably disgusted this rule makes me. All punters/kickers have to do, is go out there, kick a ball and be done with it and watch the rest of the roster rattle their brains. All it takes is a quick scuff and down goes the pansy kicker, who acts most of the time, to cost a team, who battled harder than his, the game. This cost the Steelers a trip to the AFC Championship game in '03 when Dwayne Washington "ran into the kicker" promoting Joe Nedney to kick the game winning FG not once, not twice, but 3 times. In his press conference interview, Nedney laughed about it and said he deserves an Oscar after that act job. Sickening. This also cost the Jets in Week one this season against Baltimore. Braylon Edwards made a HELLUVA athletic, and acrobatic play, leaping over the center like a gladiator and laying out for to block the kick. Not only did he barely touch the kicker, but he HIT THE GROUND FIRST. This gave Baltimore first and goal and ended up scoring on the drive instead of kicking a field goal. They beat the Jets 10-9. This needs to go.

They also need to tinker with the roughing penalties as a whole and construct them in a manor to clean it up under circumstance and position. Roughing the passer shouldn't be a beautifully timed, perfect hit the second the QB releases the ball, or is takin to the ground. Roughing should be dictated on how many seconds the ball is out of the QB's hands and then go from there on if and how he was driven into the ground, risking injury, but a timing hit should never, ever be roughing the passer, nor should any picture textbook hits that we now see being called. It's getting to the point that if the QB gets hit at all, it's now roughing the passer and 15. The rule should be improvised into making a judgment call of the severity of the hit than the literacy of it.

Facemask: I liked the old rule better to be honest. Now, just a slight, itzy bitzy graze of the face mask is ruled a personal foul against the team committing the foul. The old rule stated if the graze happens, it's only a 5 yard penalty, but if you hold it and use the facemask as your own whipping toy, it's 15. I don't like that the slightest touch can cost a team precious 15 yards.

Pass interference: PI that results into 50-70 yards penalties at the spot of the foul. Even though pass interference is a 10 yard penalty, the spot of the foul that it occurred could be 60 yards down field, prompting the offense to get that interference call at that spot of the foul, which sometimes is 70 yards. That's ridiculous. They should mark it a 10 yard penalty not from the spot, but from the line of scrimmage like any other penalty.

10 second runoffs: Whatever the penalty and circumstance may be, a certain penalty can cause a 10 second runoff and cost a team to not having a chance at kicking the game winning field goal. No matter what the penalty states, the team in position to kick the game winning field goal or go for the touchdown should do as it pleased and the runoff should be thrown out the window in last second trys.

I also don't like the "football move" bullshit. A player could make a JARRING it on a wide out, and the wide out will get two feet down, get crushed and the ball will pop loose. If he possesses it, he needs to make a football move for it to be ruled a fumble. I don't like it, if he just possess it to the point of a completion and gets two feet down, it should be ruled a live ball if it pops.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:03 pm

conversationpc wrote:I think the rule is stupid that a receiver can catch a ball, have possession, and then hit the ground with the ball coming out and it's not a catch because of that. If a running back hits the ground and the ball comes out, they don't call that a fumble, do they? That Calvin Johnson catch in week 1 should have been a TD, period.

Why is an offensive holding penalty worth ten yards but defensive holding is only worth five yards?



I like the rule. It makes perfect sense and it's SIMPLE. Control the ball all the way to the ground at all costs. It's not even difficult and I like it. That Calvin Johnson catch was an incomplete catch, the ball skipped out of his hand when he hit the ground and he didn't possess it cleanly. That's a rule that will probably be changed, but I don't see it being a problem. It's these athletes job to possess it through the play until the whistle is blown. Simple.
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Re: For all you NFL fans....

Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:06 pm

Angel wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Angel wrote:
S2M wrote:...This year I will be sticking to my rule of not complaining about calls by the refs....I will stick to it....lol

However, I was wondering if there are ANY rules, or policies you see that the NFL should address...Whether its WR possession in the endzone, the tuck rule, or running into the kicker.....etc. I have a few, but will wait a bit to add them....

discuss.....


Offensive pass interference...I think it's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of....I know, there's a really good reason for it-I just think it's stupid.

So you think a receiver should be able to throw a corner to the ground or whatever he wants to get separation?


Yep.


Hahahaha, really? That's like telling one boxer he could tee off on his opponent, and telling that opponent that he can't hit back. Come on now, think about it! :lol: There's already a million rules that benefit the offense. Let's keep this one as it lye's. 8)
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Re: For all you NFL fans....

Postby Angel » Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:29 pm

YoungJRNY wrote:
Angel wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Angel wrote:
S2M wrote:...This year I will be sticking to my rule of not complaining about calls by the refs....I will stick to it....lol

However, I was wondering if there are ANY rules, or policies you see that the NFL should address...Whether its WR possession in the endzone, the tuck rule, or running into the kicker.....etc. I have a few, but will wait a bit to add them....

discuss.....


Offensive pass interference...I think it's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of....I know, there's a really good reason for it-I just think it's stupid.

So you think a receiver should be able to throw a corner to the ground or whatever he wants to get separation?


Yep.


Hahahaha, really? That's like telling one boxer he could tee off on his opponent, and telling that opponent that he can't hit back. Come on now, think about it! :lol: There's already a million rules that benefit the offense. Let's keep this one as it lye's. 8)


Well, I was kind of kidding when I simply replied "yep." It just seems to be one of those rules, like may already mentioned, that is left open to interpretation too much and isn't always called so when it is called it's like "really?" Well, at least from what I've seen but I don't watch nearly as much football as most of you boys! :lol: :wink:
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