New England Patriots..sports pricks of the universe...

[Enigma869]

Fuck them. I hope the whole of the New England team is infected with syphilis. I hope they're bus catches fire and they miss their next road game. I hope they accidentally kill a wild animal on the road and they get buttfucked by PETA. I hope they never, ever win another game.

Fucking hilarious Rick

[Enigma869]

They have a great, dominant organization, but their fans are the fucking worst.

Hey now...some of us fans actually know what we're talking about! While I'm a Patriots fan first and foremost, I'm an NFL fan. The reality is that for most of my life, the Patriots were one of the absolute worse franchises in football, with wing nut owners and a lot of players that either weren't that good or leaving the game at halftime, only to crash their car on the way home (Irving Fryar gets credit for that gem). For me, the Patriots run has been the best run I've ever seen in football, because even in the years they haven't gone to the Super Bowl, they've still won a fuckload of games. Hell, they won 11 games with Matt Fucking Cassel as their QB. Like every run before this...this too will come to an end and the Patriots will be back to a middle of the road team. It's simply the way things work in the NFL and anyone who doesn't believe that only needs to look at teams like Dallas and the 49'ers are proof of that. Even when the Patriots are winning just 5 games a season, like in years past, I won't be any less of an NFL fan. It's the best league on the planet, because it's the only league where the coach REALLY matters and team chemistry matters more than talent does.

[Enigma869]

what was the reason the Bruins lost a 3 games to nothing lead against the Flyers last year?

I can answer this one...Because the Bruins have been one of the worst organizations in ALL of sports for most of the past 40 years. It pains me to say this, but they actually have a very good team this season, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see them puke on their skates (again) when the playoffs roll around. As much as the Patriots know how to win, the Bruins REALLY know how to lose and have been really great at it for decades!

[YoungJRNY]

I'm sure that it feels good to Travis. As I recall, he predicted the Patriots would win 9 games this season. It looks like he was right on the money. I'm just not sure he realized that they would have 9 wins by Thanksgiving

That's why it was a preseason prediction old-man! If you weren't so busy fuckin pouting you could have made one too! If you look at my write-up, I said as long as Brady and Belichick is at the helm, they will ALWAYS have a legitimate shot at a Lombardi but my concern was the defensive side of the ball because they could look like "swiss cheese" but they are still a "playoff team" even with that concern. To my understanding, that is exactly the case. In which you've pointed out, the Pats have one of THEE worst defense's in the league but yet, are a playoff team so my win total might not be right on the money (you even said you don't know how their 9-2) but it's still in the ball park. I said Dallas/Minny would win 11 games as well, big fuckin deal, it was made well before training camp even hit.

[Enigma869]

In which you've pointed out, the Pats have one of THEE worst defense's in the league

No argument from me. This defense is fucking painful to watch!

my win total might not be right on the money

Um, NO! The only way that your win total would be "right on the money" would be if the Patriots didn't win another game for the rest of the season. They have a fairly tough remaining schedule, so they'll definitely lose some, but I don't think anyone with their brain cells connected believes that this team will finish the season with the 9 wins they have right now.

you even said you don't know how their 9-2

It's true. If you look at some of their players, they should probably be 2-9. The only above average players they have on the defensive side of the ball are Wilfork, Mayo, Chung, and McCourtey. The rest of that clan is useless. Regardless of how this season ends, it's the greatest coaching job I've ever seen by an NFL coach in all the years that I've been watching football. Say what you want about Belichick, but he's smarter than most of the guys he coaches against and I don't know that the NFL has ever had a coach who has football in his blood more than this guy. Dude has been an NFL coach as long as I've been alive and I'm not that young!

[Ehwmatt]

Regardless of how this season ends, it's the greatest coaching job I've ever seen by an NFL coach in all the years that I've been watching football. Say what you want about Belichick, but he's smarter than most of the guys he coaches against and I don't know that the NFL has ever had a coach who has football in his blood more than this guy. Dude has been an NFL coach as long as I've been alive and I'm not that young!

All true. Too bad he couldn't quite outsmart his former study, the Mangenius, this season

[S2M]

Regardless of how this season ends, it's the greatest coaching job I've ever seen by an NFL coach in all the years that I've been watching football. Say what you want about Belichick, but he's smarter than most of the guys he coaches against and I don't know that the NFL has ever had a coach who has football in his blood more than this guy. Dude has been an NFL coach as long as I've been alive and I'm not that young!

All true. Too bad he couldn't quite outsmart his former study, the Mangenius, this season

One word - Hillis. Manpenis didn't outcoach shit.

[YoungJRNY]

Um, NO! The only way that your win total would be "right on the money" would be if the Patriots didn't win another game for the rest of the season.

That's what I said . I said my prediction of N.E's w/l total might not be "right on the money" but pretty much what I expected from N.E this year came true. Yes, they over-achieved my 9 win prediction, but I expect them to be in it and contending for a title even if they did finish 9-7.

[Enigma869]

All true. Too bad he couldn't quite outsmart his former study, the Mangenius, this season

Somehow, I suspect Belichick is already over his loss to Mangini. I also suspect when he was giving "thanks" out at the Thanksgiving table last night, one of the things he was probably thankful for is not having Cleveland's 3-7 record

[Enigma869]

I expect them to be in it and contending for a title even if they did finish 9-7.

Everyone with a record over .500 is competing for a title this season. I can honestly say that I wouldn't be stunned if the Patriots lost in the first round of the playoffs and I wouldn't be stunned if they won it all. This season should be a dream for fans of every NFL team in the hunt, because it's truly wide open.

[RossValoryRocks]

I think people are giving Belichick too much credit.

Yes he is probably the smartest coach in the league, but without good ownership giving him the resources he need forget it. See his tenure in Cleveland as an example.

He had ONE good season, hell one season over .500.

I don't blame that entirely on him...the team ownership was not what it should have been (Yes I know the Moddels won a Superbowl in Baltimore) and didn't give him much to work with.
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Look at the difference with the Krafts...ONE losing season, his first in 2000, 5-11 since then his WORST record was 9-7 and he has 3 Superbowls...Ownership matters!

[Ehwmatt]

I think people are giving Belichick too much credit.

Yes he is probably the smartest coach in the league, but without good ownership giving him the resources he need forget it. See his tenure in Cleveland as an example.

He had ONE good season, hell one season over .500.

I don't blame that entirely on him...the team ownership was not what it should have been (Yes I know the Moddels won a Superbowl in Baltimore) and didn't give him much to work with.
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Look at the difference with the Krafts...ONE losing season, his first in 2000, 5-11 since then his WORST record was 9-7 and he has 3 Superbowls...Ownership matters!

To be fair, Belichick was a young coach then and he also committed the cardinal sin of benching Bernie Kosar, who was the second coming of Jesus to Cleveland fans. His "style" did not translate well in this blue collar town, particularly since he was unproven at that point.

[Enigma869]

I think people are giving Belichick too much credit.

Yes he is probably the smartest coach in the league, but without good ownership giving him the resources he need forget it. See his tenure in Cleveland as an example.

He had ONE good season, hell one season over .500.

I don't blame that entirely on him...the team ownership was not what it should have been (Yes I know the Moddels won a Superbowl in Baltimore) and didn't give him much to work with.
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Look at the difference with the Krafts...ONE losing season, his first in 2000, 5-11 since then his WORST record was 9-7 and he has 3 Superbowls...Ownership matters!

I think Matt is spot on with his assessment. Most coaches didn't start out successfully in the NFL. Judging Belichick's career as a head coach in Cleveland with a team that was in total turmoil and on its way out of town are less than ideal conditions to coach under. While I would never minimize the importance of ownership, Belichick's record speaks for itself. The guy has won 10 division titles, 4 conference championships, and 3 championships as a head coach. It's also worth mentioning that Bill Parcells has NEVER won a single championship without Belichick on his staff. Ownership (especially good ownership) matters a lot in all sports, because it always starts at the top. That said, Robert Kraft (and I think he's the best owner in all of sports) has nothing to do with Belichick's maniacal pursuit of winning. If you watched the Patriots every week like I have this season, you wouldn't question Belichick's ability as a head coach or how smart he is. There simply isn't any other explanation for how this team with these players is 9-2. I'm reasonably certain if things continue the way they are going, this Patriots team will make history by being the absolute worst defensive team to ever make the playoffs, and Belichick is the reason why.

[YoungJRNY]

I think people are giving Belichick too much credit.

Yes he is probably the smartest coach in the league, but without good ownership giving him the resources he need forget it. See his tenure in Cleveland as an example.

He had ONE good season, hell one season over .500.

I don't blame that entirely on him...the team ownership was not what it should have been (Yes I know the Moddels won a Superbowl in Baltimore) and didn't give him much to work with.
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Look at the difference with the Krafts...ONE losing season, his first in 2000, 5-11 since then his WORST record was 9-7 and he has 3 Superbowls...Ownership matters!

Absolutely, and don't forget that Kraft is one of the most richest sports owner in football. Without a doubt top 10 and he choose's the money wisely since Boston is a hot money market team. Kraft deserves much of the credit IMHO for bringing it all together from the top.

[S2M]

The worst defensive team to win the SB, so far, is the '06 Colts...who gave up a whopping 360 pts, was 12-4, and gave up an average of 22.5 pts per game....and I know John said make the playoffs, not win the SB - but I thought this was significant.

Patriots are at 266, with 5 games to play....

[Enigma869]

The worst defensive team to win the SB, so far, is the '06 Colts...who gave up a whopping 360 pts, was 12-4, and gave up an average of 22.5 pts per game....and I know John said make the playoffs, not win the SB - but I thought this was significant.

I'd also point out that the 2006 Colts were ranked 21st in overall team defense during the 2006 season. This Patriots team is currently ranked 30th out of 32 teams and are on pace to give up more than the "whopping" 360 points that the 06 Colts gave up. They're presently giving up 24.2 points a game, which is simply an astonishing number for a team with only 2 losses.

[S2M]

The worst defensive team to win the SB, so far, is the '06 Colts...who gave up a whopping 360 pts, was 12-4, and gave up an average of 22.5 pts per game....and I know John said make the playoffs, not win the SB - but I thought this was significant.

I'd also point out that the 2006 Colts were ranked 21st in overall team defense during the 2006 season. This Patriots team is currently ranked 30th out of 32 teams and are on pace to give up more than the "whopping" 360 points that the 06 Colts gave up. They're presently giving up 24.2 points a game, which is simply an astonishing number for a team with only 2 losses.

Well, conversely, they have scored the most points at 334....so there ya go....

[YoungJRNY]

The worst defensive team to win the SB, so far, is the '06 Colts...who gave up a whopping 360 pts, was 12-4, and gave up an average of 22.5 pts per game....and I know John said make the playoffs, not win the SB - but I thought this was significant.

I'd also point out that the 2006 Colts were ranked 21st in overall team defense during the 2006 season. This Patriots team is currently ranked 30th out of 32 teams and are on pace to give up more than the "whopping" 360 points that the 06 Colts gave up. They're presently giving up 24.2 points a game, which is simply an astonishing number for a team with only 2 losses.

Those numbers could be defying when comparing both teams. There's still 6 games to go and the New England defense seems to be steadily getting better in key situations or when they need a RIGHT NOW turnover. New England is a resilient bunch and have player personal to fit Bill Billichick's system and criteria. I don't necc buy into the "lets re-name the Patriots Gods" just because they have no-name's running the pot or how they are 9-2 with this team. They are paid professionals that step up and make it happen and coaching has tons to do with it. When a player or player(s) believe in the head coach and what he does, they follow lead & teams like the Pats, Packers, Colts and Steelers have been doing it for years. New England has a place for the Wes Welkers, the Danny Woodheads and the Brandon Tate's of the league because they fit in well in how New England attacks so even though the Pats D is one of THEE worst, they make up for it with composure and other area's such as the QB position, special teams, coaching and balance. New England started giving up tons of yardage defensively last season and falling apart as well and I remember them making the playoffs and WORSE defensive teams have made it as well so I don't get how shocking it is that New England is a 9 win team right now with their proven system and coaching strategies since 2001.

[Enigma869]

Those numbers could be defying when comparing both teams. There's still 6 games to go and the New England defense seems to be steadily getting better in key situations or when they need a RIGHT NOW turnover. New England is a resilient bunch and have player personal to fit Bill Billichick's system and criteria. I don't necc buy into the "lets re-name the Patriots Gods" just because they have no-name's running the pot or how they are 9-2 with this team. They are paid professionals that step up and make it happen and coaching has tons to do with it. When a player or player(s) believe in the head coach and what he does, they follow lead & teams like the Pats, Packers, Colts and Steelers have been doing it for years. New England has a place for the Wes Welkers, the Danny Woodheads and the Brandon Tate's of the league because they fit in well in how New England attacks so even though the Pats D is one of THEE worst, they make up for it with composure and other area's such as the QB position, special teams, coaching and balance. New England started giving up tons of yardage defensively last season and falling apart as well and I remember them making the playoffs and WORSE defensive teams have made it as well so I don't get how shocking it is that New England is a 9 win team right now with their proven system and coaching strategies since 2001.

A couple of points my young teenage buddy First and foremost, I never claimed anyone was a "god". The Patriots are the ultimate blue collar team and I wouldn't have it any other way. As for your claim that they were one of the worse defenses in the league last season, you're dead wrong about that. I hate for the facts to get in the way of another one of your theories, but the fact of the matter is, they were ranked 11th in overall team defense last year. Even with my public school education, I know that puts them just one spot away from a top ten defense. They also ranked 5th last season for fewest points per game given up. Just for perspective, your Pittsburgh Steelers ranked 12th last season in fewest points per game given up by the defense, so in spite of everything you're claiming, you're flat out WRONG!

While nobody is going to confuse last year's Patriots team with the 1985 Bears, the reality is that they had some playmakers, didn't have a team full of rookies starting, and a healthy Leigh Bodden (who is a very good NFL CB and has been out this entire season). They were able to not give up anywhere near the number of enormous plays they're giving up this season. This Patriots defense starts more rookies than any team in the entire league, so it's probably not a surprise that they're as bad as they are. I can't remember the last time that any team in the NFL was rolling out 4 or 5 rookies every week on either side of the ball. It simply doesn't happen. So yes, for those reasons, I am absolutely STUNNED that this team has only lost 2 games. Their defense is fucking dreadful, so in my opinion, they really have no right winning all the games they're winning.

[S2M]

Add to the fact that Jarvis Green is MIA, and Ty Warren has played nary a snap this year due to hip surgery...and I'd say they've held their own....

[YoungJRNY]

Those numbers could be defying when comparing both teams. There's still 6 games to go and the New England defense seems to be steadily getting better in key situations or when they need a RIGHT NOW turnover. New England is a resilient bunch and have player personal to fit Bill Billichick's system and criteria. I don't necc buy into the "lets re-name the Patriots Gods" just because they have no-name's running the pot or how they are 9-2 with this team. They are paid professionals that step up and make it happen and coaching has tons to do with it. When a player or player(s) believe in the head coach and what he does, they follow lead & teams like the Pats, Packers, Colts and Steelers have been doing it for years. New England has a place for the Wes Welkers, the Danny Woodheads and the Brandon Tate's of the league because they fit in well in how New England attacks so even though the Pats D is one of THEE worst, they make up for it with composure and other area's such as the QB position, special teams, coaching and balance. New England started giving up tons of yardage defensively last season and falling apart as well and I remember them making the playoffs and WORSE defensive teams have made it as well so I don't get how shocking it is that New England is a 9 win team right now with their proven system and coaching strategies since 2001.

A couple of points my young teenage buddy First and foremost, I never claimed anyone was a "god". The Patriots are the ultimate blue collar team and I wouldn't have it any other way. As for your claim that they were one of the worse defenses in the league last season, you're dead wrong about that. I hate for the facts to get in the way of another one of your theories, but the fact of the matter is, they were ranked 11th in overall team defense last year. Even with my public school education, I know that puts them just one spot away from a top ten defense. They also ranked 5th last season for fewest points per game given up. Just for perspective, your Pittsburgh Steelers ranked 12th last season in fewest points per game given up by the defense, so in spite of everything you're claiming, you're flat out WRONG!

While nobody is going to confuse last year's Patriots team with the 1985 Bears, the reality is that they had some playmakers, didn't have a team full of rookies starting, and a healthy Leigh Bodden (who is a very good NFL CB and has been out this entire season). They were able to not give up anywhere near the number of enormous plays they're giving up this season. This Patriots defense starts more rookies than any team in the entire league, so it's probably not a surprise that they're as bad as they are. I can't remember the last time that any team in the NFL was rolling out 4 or 5 rookies every week on either side of the ball. It simply doesn't happen. So yes, for those reasons, I am absolutely STUNNED that this team has only lost 2 games. Their defense is fucking dreadful, so in my opinion, they really have no right winning all the games they're winning.

First off, I'm not a teenager, I'm 22 years old . Second, the Pats towards the end of the year started giving up huge amounts of yardage, esp in their passing game and it was exploited more times than once & that momentum took them into this season and thirdly, I never claimed the '09 Pats defense was "the worst defense's in the league" just claimed last season they showed signs of what we are seeing this year but claimed it was THIS years team that was horrible. Some times I think you don't even read because you can't wait to hear yourself talk, just like the rest of the arrogant bone-heads in chowder land.

My main point, is that over the years, esp when I watch the Pats play, is that it doesn't matter WHAT year it is or which player isn't there, you could replace a number with a body and they still look like the same team that came before them in all those Super Bowl seasons. I know you watch 80 hours of football a week the past 30 years of your life and all but when I watch the Pats, it's really not that big of a difference in how they play OR who they play because Belichick has a God damn system that's one of the best in football and it shows on the field for the past 10 years. As for N.E being the ultimate blue collar, I want to slap you upside your red white and blue homer-brain because Pittsburgh or even a team like Chicago or N.Y hold that honor. N.E may have been somewhat relevant before the Brady era, but Pittsburgh and teams like Chicago has been playing the same ball since their existence which is smashmouth and defense, which defines blue collar. I'm not taking away anything from the Pats, but you have a team that pussy-foot's down the field mostly through the air and barely on the ground and only cracked a top 10 defense 5 outta the last 10 years and saw a 2007 undefeated regular season team scorch teams with finesse all season long.

BTW: Looks like Bellicheat taught his assistants well! McDaniel's and the Bronco's fined 50K for videotaping the 49'ers! New England home-grown.

[YoungJRNY]

Damn, John didn't bite. My whole response was to see his tear it up on purpose! Everyone is too nice to each other lately, though I'd ruffle some feathers.