2001 Arrival DVD

[stevew2]

In my honest opinion, Augeri shouldn't get a second chance at this profession.

EVERYONE deserves a second chance....

To a certain extent. I know you are close to him now, so I will temper my furious fucking anger I now have(reliving this bullshit), but dude, this is a profession in which not all members of society can do. Augeri was propelled into this position and he did ok for a few years. The fact is, any true real rock n roller would NEVER EVER consider spitting in the face of music! To me, when this shit happened, Journey, the entire fucking organization, because it started with Azoff, and was carried out by Schon, Cain, Augeri and crew, was nothing but complete disrespect for anyone who has made an honest living playing and singing in rock n roll. They disrespected the Beatles, the Stones, the Doors, The Who, Elvis Presley, Fleetwood Mac, Bruce Springsteen, Eric Clapton, everyone for that matter! What they resorted to was a fraudulent act, knowingly and willingly going out on stage night after night, falsley deceiving their audience-out of their hard earned money, and they could care less. They should have been sued to the hilt, a class action suit should and still be brought against them for this. Man, I am fucking furious right now, and disgusted as well; especially when some on here, you included Andrew, make excuses for Steve Augeri. Had Mr. Augeri's balls dropped, and he manned up and said "no" to this Milly Vanilli act, I would stand tall behind him, but I just can't now. As bad as people as Azoff, Baruck, Schon, Cain, Valory, Castronovo, Elson and Shirley are, Augeri cannot be held in a brighter light. Sorry, those are the facts, and I just can't understand why people continue to love this band, especially after how badly they treat their followers.

I agree w/Andrew ...you are
only hurting yourself w/your fury! He made a/some bad decisions, no excuses, and now he's starting all over ...have some compassion!! hance? I am sor
You seem to be softening towards the rest of the sinners/band!!

Oh Hell no I am not softening towards the remaining douches in the band! I hate their collective guts. Their bad people, all of them. The organization is just a horrible concoction of disgust and evil, and it all starts with that shitfuck Azoff and then it all smears off to the rest of the demonic cast. Look, you want me to give Augeri a second chance? I am sorry, but there are somethings that are just unforgiveable. This was an act, a premeditated act, contrived and executed to scam the fans. The right decision was to cancel the tour. I have made my case a thousand times. I could care less if 99% of this board disagrees with me or not. I have strong convictions about this, and I don't mind showing them here. I just can't believe that it is so forgiveable to the fans? And you know what, one person, and one person alone could have stopped this train before it ever left the station, and that would have been Mr. Augeri. He could have and should have said "no." I would love to ask the man that very question today....I would ask him if he had the chance to do it all over again, would he have backed out on the scheme? I don't know his answer, but I did pose the question to another singer of the same band and he flat out told me, that he "would never fuckin' lip."

Its took me awhile to to accept it, but I do agree with you ,he had a fucking choice,he went for just like the rest of the {so called] band

[Michigan Girl]

Oh Hell no I am not softening towards the remaining douches in the band! I hate their collective guts. Their bad people, all of them. The organization is just a horrible concoction of disgust and evil, and it all starts with that shitfuck Azoff and then it all smears off to the rest of the demonic cast. Look, you want me to give Augeri a second chance? I am sorry, but there are somethings that are just unforgiveable. This was an act, a premeditated act, contrived and executed to scam the fans. The right decision was to cancel the tour. I have made my case a thousand times. I could care less if 99% of this board disagrees with me or not. I have strong convictions about this, and I don't mind showing them here. I just can't believe that it is so forgiveable to the fans? And you know what, one person, and one person alone could have stopped this train before it ever left the station, and that would have been Mr. Augeri. He could have and should have said "no." I would love to ask the man that very question today....I would ask him if he had the chance to do it all over again, would he have backed out on the scheme? I don't know his answer, but I did pose the question to another singer of the same band and he flat out told me, that he "would never fuckin' lip."

No, you feel the way you feel ...I can respect that! I'll bet the answer is no, though!

[Rick]

Oh Hell no I am not softening towards the remaining douches in the band! I hate their collective guts. Their bad people, all of them. The organization is just a horrible concoction of disgust and evil, and it all starts with that shitfuck Azoff and then it all smears off to the rest of the demonic cast. Look, you want me to give Augeri a second chance? I am sorry, but there are somethings that are just unforgiveable. This was an act, a premeditated act, contrived and executed to scam the fans. The right decision was to cancel the tour. I have made my case a thousand times. I could care less if 99% of this board disagrees with me or not. I have strong convictions about this, and I don't mind showing them here. I just can't believe that it is so forgiveable to the fans? And you know what, one person, and one person alone could have stopped this train before it ever left the station, and that would have been Mr. Augeri. He could have and should have said "no." I would love to ask the man that very question today....I would ask him if he had the chance to do it all over again, would he have backed out on the scheme? I don't know his answer, but I did pose the question to another singer of the same band and he flat out told me, that he "would never fuckin' lip."

No, you feel the way you feel ...I can respect that! I'll bet the answer is no, though!

I'm sure he would say that today, but put him right back in that situation with the same set of circumstances, and you just don't really know. Cancel the tour and not only does nobody get paid, they lose a butt load of money on promotion and other start-up costs. I'm not saying doing the tour was right, I'm just saying I think he was under enormous pressure to continue.

[Rockindeano]

Oh Hell no I am not softening towards the remaining douches in the band! I hate their collective guts. Their bad people, all of them. The organization is just a horrible concoction of disgust and evil, and it all starts with that shitfuck Azoff and then it all smears off to the rest of the demonic cast. Look, you want me to give Augeri a second chance? I am sorry, but there are somethings that are just unforgiveable. This was an act, a premeditated act, contrived and executed to scam the fans. The right decision was to cancel the tour. I have made my case a thousand times. I could care less if 99% of this board disagrees with me or not. I have strong convictions about this, and I don't mind showing them here. I just can't believe that it is so forgiveable to the fans? And you know what, one person, and one person alone could have stopped this train before it ever left the station, and that would have been Mr. Augeri. He could have and should have said "no." I would love to ask the man that very question today....I would ask him if he had the chance to do it all over again, would he have backed out on the scheme? I don't know his answer, but I did pose the question to another singer of the same band and he flat out told me, that he "would never fuckin' lip."

No, you feel the way you feel ...I can respect that! I'll bet the answer is no, though!

I'm sure he would say that today, but put him right back in that situation with the same set of circumstances, and you just don't really know. Cancel the tour and not only does nobody get paid, they lose a butt load of money on promotion and other start-up costs. I'm not saying doing the tour was right, I'm just saying I think he was under enormous pressure to continue.

I don't subscribe to "losing a butt load of money." Sure, they made some nice bank with Lippard, but I hardly think these guys are on food stamps when they aren't on tour. They should be set for life....and my point is, so what, take a year off and rest your singer for shit's sake! It would be a lot better than switching singers mid tour like they did, and then firing the guy who saved your asses, and then having to resort to hiring a karoake singer from a third world country....Jesus Christ, wouldn't taking a year off and waiting for Augeri been the better plan? Unless of course, Augeri was never going to get it back again, and I personally think he is shot. His new stuff is in real low keys and the guy can't sing Journey songs to save his life. Anyway, what's done is done I guess.

[Rick]

Oh Hell no I am not softening towards the remaining douches in the band! I hate their collective guts. Their bad people, all of them. The organization is just a horrible concoction of disgust and evil, and it all starts with that shitfuck Azoff and then it all smears off to the rest of the demonic cast. Look, you want me to give Augeri a second chance? I am sorry, but there are somethings that are just unforgiveable. This was an act, a premeditated act, contrived and executed to scam the fans. The right decision was to cancel the tour. I have made my case a thousand times. I could care less if 99% of this board disagrees with me or not. I have strong convictions about this, and I don't mind showing them here. I just can't believe that it is so forgiveable to the fans? And you know what, one person, and one person alone could have stopped this train before it ever left the station, and that would have been Mr. Augeri. He could have and should have said "no." I would love to ask the man that very question today....I would ask him if he had the chance to do it all over again, would he have backed out on the scheme? I don't know his answer, but I did pose the question to another singer of the same band and he flat out told me, that he "would never fuckin' lip."

No, you feel the way you feel ...I can respect that! I'll bet the answer is no, though!

I'm sure he would say that today, but put him right back in that situation with the same set of circumstances, and you just don't really know. Cancel the tour and not only does nobody get paid, they lose a butt load of money on promotion and other start-up costs. I'm not saying doing the tour was right, I'm just saying I think he was under enormous pressure to continue.

I don't subscribe to "losing a butt load of money." Sure, they made some nice bank with Lippard, but I hardly think these guys are on food stamps when they aren't on tour. They should be set for life....and my point is, so what, take a year off and rest your singer for shit's sake! It would be a lot better than switching singers mid tour like they did, and then firing the guy who saved your asses, and then having to resort to hiring a karoake singer from a third world country....Jesus Christ, wouldn't taking a year off and waiting for Augeri been the better plan? Unless of course, Augeri was never going to get it back again, and I personally think he is shot. His new stuff is in real low keys and the guy can't sing Journey songs to save his life. Anyway, what's done is done I guess.

I think that would have been the thing to do, or at least try. He was a damn good frontman for that band.

[PianoMan1986]

I just meant I was puzzled by what you meant by referring to that date, was that "the last show" or are you saying something else?

Oh no, you confused me PM...I knew I was right about that date. The reason I typed it out was I was there and could have sworn it was December 30th, 2005/6.

The last day of Augeri's Journey was some time in 2006 in Virginia or North Carolina I believe...I want to say July something, I don't remeber.

The DVD was recorded in December of 2000 and wasn't released until nearly a year later.

WTF am I typing.. That's what I meant. I'm such a fucking dumbshit. Sorry.

No need for apology, you're cool. Obviously you see why I was scratching my head

[Abitaman]

Oh Hell no I am not softening towards the remaining douches in the band! I hate their collective guts. Their bad people, all of them. The organization is just a horrible concoction of disgust and evil, and it all starts with that shitfuck Azoff and then it all smears off to the rest of the demonic cast. Look, you want me to give Augeri a second chance? I am sorry, but there are somethings that are just unforgiveable. This was an act, a premeditated act, contrived and executed to scam the fans. The right decision was to cancel the tour. I have made my case a thousand times. I could care less if 99% of this board disagrees with me or not. I have strong convictions about this, and I don't mind showing them here. I just can't believe that it is so forgiveable to the fans? And you know what, one person, and one person alone could have stopped this train before it ever left the station, and that would have been Mr. Augeri. He could have and should have said "no." I would love to ask the man that very question today....I would ask him if he had the chance to do it all over again, would he have backed out on the scheme? I don't know his answer, but I did pose the question to another singer of the same band and he flat out told me, that he "would never fuckin' lip."

Then why do you hang around on "this" board, if you hate the band so bad? I'm more pissed off cuase I really don't care for the new line up, so I don't hang around near as much as I use to. I know you believe in tape gate, so do I, but it is over, hopefully! But did you really expect them to sya they were lipping? It was there livelyhood at stake, I doubt if I would have the balls to admit to a fan if I was doing it. I would look like a failure, no matter how much that fan believed in me, but remember they are only human. We tend to screw things up, and don't want to admit or take the blame for it. Would you have done different, knowing your whole career was on the line, or would you have keep going hoping things would work out by some miracle and that know one would find out? The second one happens everyday to just about everyone, we just don't admit to it. I am not defending the bands actions, just saying in this day and age where a lot of people are lipping, Journey thought they could get away with it. They did if you think about it. Tape gate came out, Augeri was released (something Neal was wanting it seems), and the band contiunes, as if nothing happened. Who knows about it other than a handfull. How bad did it hurt them over all to the mass public?
They should have had the guts to take a year or two off, let Augeri go (which I hated to see happen), or toured with Soto or some one else till Augeri recovered, or move on with another singer. But I never thought the band would call it quits. That was not in the cards.

On the ohter news, Deano, did you read on Yahoo were Bryan Adams has a new cd called Bare Bones coming out?

[stevew2]

Oh Hell no I am not softening towards the remaining douches in the band! I hate their collective guts. Their bad people, all of them. The organization is just a horrible concoction of disgust and evil, and it all starts with that shitfuck Azoff and then it all smears off to the rest of the demonic cast. Look, you want me to give Augeri a second chance? I am sorry, but there are somethings that are just unforgiveable. This was an act, a premeditated act, contrived and executed to scam the fans. The right decision was to cancel the tour. I have made my case a thousand times. I could care less if 99% of this board disagrees with me or not. I have strong convictions about this, and I don't mind showing them here. I just can't believe that it is so forgiveable to the fans? And you know what, one person, and one person alone could have stopped this train before it ever left the station, and that would have been Mr. Augeri. He could have and should have said "no." I would love to ask the man that very question today....I would ask him if he had the chance to do it all over again, would he have backed out on the scheme? I don't know his answer, but I did pose the question to another singer of the same band and he flat out told me, that he "would never fuckin' lip."

Then why do you hang around on "this" board, if you hate the band so bad? I'm more pissed off cuase I really don't care for the new line up, so I don't hang around near as much as I use to. I know you believe in tape gate, so do I, but it is over, hopefully! But did you really expect them to sya they were lipping? It was there livelyhood at stake, I doubt if I would have the balls to admit to a fan if I was doing it. I would look like a failure, no matter how much that fan believed in me, but remember they are only human. We tend to screw things up, and don't want to admit or take the blame for it. Would you have done different, knowing your whole career was on the line, or would you have keep going hoping things would work out by some miracle and that know one would find out? The second one happens everyday to just about everyone, we just don't admit to it. I am not defending the bands actions, just saying in this day and age where a lot of people are lipping, Journey thought they could get away with it. They did if you think about it. Tape gate came out, Augeri was released (something Neal was wanting it seems), and the band contiunes, as if nothing happened. Who knows about it other than a handfull. How bad did it hurt them over all to the mass public?
They should have had the guts to take a year or two off, let Augeri go (which I hated to see happen), or toured with Soto or some one else till Augeri recovered, or move on with another singer. But I never thought the band would call it quits. That was not in the cards.

On the ohter news, Deano, did you read on Yahoo were Bryan Adams has a new cd called Bare Bones coming out?

The thing is they did it in 2005,and then knowing they had a singer that couldnt sing, booked a tour in 2006 and didnt stop until they got caught .Thats is unforgivable

[Rockindeano]

Oh Hell no I am not softening towards the remaining douches in the band! I hate their collective guts. Their bad people, all of them. The organization is just a horrible concoction of disgust and evil, and it all starts with that shitfuck Azoff and then it all smears off to the rest of the demonic cast. Look, you want me to give Augeri a second chance? I am sorry, but there are somethings that are just unforgiveable. This was an act, a premeditated act, contrived and executed to scam the fans. The right decision was to cancel the tour. I have made my case a thousand times. I could care less if 99% of this board disagrees with me or not. I have strong convictions about this, and I don't mind showing them here. I just can't believe that it is so forgiveable to the fans? And you know what, one person, and one person alone could have stopped this train before it ever left the station, and that would have been Mr. Augeri. He could have and should have said "no." I would love to ask the man that very question today....I would ask him if he had the chance to do it all over again, would he have backed out on the scheme? I don't know his answer, but I did pose the question to another singer of the same band and he flat out told me, that he "would never fuckin' lip."

Then why do you hang around on "this" board, if you hate the band so bad? I'm more pissed off cuase I really don't care for the new line up, so I don't hang around near as much as I use to. I know you believe in tape gate, so do I, but it is over, hopefully! But did you really expect them to sya they were lipping? It was there livelyhood at stake, I doubt if I would have the balls to admit to a fan if I was doing it. I would look like a failure, no matter how much that fan believed in me, but remember they are only human. We tend to screw things up, and don't want to admit or take the blame for it. Would you have done different, knowing your whole career was on the line, or would you have keep going hoping things would work out by some miracle and that know one would find out? The second one happens everyday to just about everyone, we just don't admit to it. I am not defending the bands actions, just saying in this day and age where a lot of people are lipping, Journey thought they could get away with it. They did if you think about it. Tape gate came out, Augeri was released (something Neal was wanting it seems), and the band contiunes, as if nothing happened. Who knows about it other than a handfull. How bad did it hurt them over all to the mass public?
They should have had the guts to take a year or two off, let Augeri go (which I hated to see happen), or toured with Soto or some one else till Augeri recovered, or move on with another singer. But I never thought the band would call it quits. That was not in the cards.

On the ohter news, Deano, did you read on Yahoo were Bryan Adams has a new cd called Bare Bones coming out?

The thing is they did it in 2005,and then knowing they had a singer that couldnt sing, booked a tour in 2006 and didnt stop until they got caught .Thats is unforgivable

Good point Steve. Not only that, they knew we were on to them and they STILL booked the Lippard tour. For the record, Augeri was getting help way back before 2005....I can't be exactly sure, but I would guess about 2003 or so, maybe even earlier.

[rsimpson]

Just watched it again today. Steve A. kicks ass in that video. That is a front man at his best.

Agree 110% So many good moments on that dvd

Want another one that will curl your toes? Get Kansas' There's Know Place Like Home DVD. Kerry Livgren and Steve Morse are on it. And Walsh sounds really good. I didn't know what to expect, but I'm just blown away. A full orchestra was incorporated for their 35th anniversary, filmed in Topeka, where the band started. That's just plain magic.

Had frickin' VIP tix that included dress rehearsal and meet and greet, but had to give them up.

You missed a great show. Best concert I've ever attended

[Jana]

Oh Hell no I am not softening towards the remaining douches in the band! I hate their collective guts. Their bad people, all of them. The organization is just a horrible concoction of disgust and evil, and it all starts with that shitfuck Azoff and then it all smears off to the rest of the demonic cast. Look, you want me to give Augeri a second chance? I am sorry, but there are somethings that are just unforgiveable. This was an act, a premeditated act, contrived and executed to scam the fans. The right decision was to cancel the tour. I have made my case a thousand times. I could care less if 99% of this board disagrees with me or not. I have strong convictions about this, and I don't mind showing them here. I just can't believe that it is so forgiveable to the fans? And you know what, one person, and one person alone could have stopped this train before it ever left the station, and that would have been Mr. Augeri. He could have and should have said "no." I would love to ask the man that very question today....I would ask him if he had the chance to do it all over again, would he have backed out on the scheme? I don't know his answer, but I did pose the question to another singer of the same band and he flat out told me, that he "would never fuckin' lip."

Then why do you hang around on "this" board, if you hate the band so bad? I'm more pissed off cuase I really don't care for the new line up, so I don't hang around near as much as I use to. I know you believe in tape gate, so do I, but it is over, hopefully! But did you really expect them to sya they were lipping? It was there livelyhood at stake, I doubt if I would have the balls to admit to a fan if I was doing it. I would look like a failure, no matter how much that fan believed in me, but remember they are only human. We tend to screw things up, and don't want to admit or take the blame for it. Would you have done different, knowing your whole career was on the line, or would you have keep going hoping things would work out by some miracle and that know one would find out? The second one happens everyday to just about everyone, we just don't admit to it. I am not defending the bands actions, just saying in this day and age where a lot of people are lipping, Journey thought they could get away with it. They did if you think about it. Tape gate came out, Augeri was released (something Neal was wanting it seems), and the band contiunes, as if nothing happened. Who knows about it other than a handfull. How bad did it hurt them over all to the mass public?
They should have had the guts to take a year or two off, let Augeri go (which I hated to see happen), or toured with Soto or some one else till Augeri recovered, or move on with another singer. But I never thought the band would call it quits. That was not in the cards.

On the ohter news, Deano, did you read on Yahoo were Bryan Adams has a new cd called Bare Bones coming out?

The thing is they did it in 2005,and then knowing they had a singer that couldnt sing, booked a tour in 2006 and didnt stop until they got caught .Thats is unforgivable

Good point Steve. Not only that, they knew we were on to them and they STILL booked the Lippard tour. For the record, Augeri was getting help way back before 2005....I can't be exactly sure, but I would guess about 2003 or so, maybe even earlier.

I've never seen it anywhere mentioned anyone was on to them before the fateful tour fiasco when it was discovered and Steve was replaced with Jeff.

[cinkidd]

Here is my take on the 2001 Arrival DVD:

While I was not in the audience like Deano was, I have listened to it about a dozen or so times, and I enjoy it for what it is. The songs are crisp and clear, and while not in near the quality of a SP lead Journey, I can let myself be taken on a musical Journey of my favorite music. My wife enjoys it and we both agree that SA let Journey continue.

My thoughts on the four SA lead Journey concerts that I saw:

I first saw SA what Journey in 2002 at the Pepsi Jammin' on Main in Cincinnati. I was front row and was literally close enough several times to hear SA singing his ass off. He was "live" for that show you could hear his breath on several songs and a few screw-ups too.

I Then saw him two days back to back in 2004 at the Fraze Pavilion in Dayton, OH. I even got to do a meet and greet after the first show. The first show was very good and had a lot of seldom used songs. I would give this show a 8/10. The second show was pretty good but there were some serious flat vocals and a few looks on stage like oops what was that. I give this show 6/10.

The last show was in 2005 again at the Fraze Pavilion in Dayton. I was pretty close to the stage and the entire set was just good. Not great, good. Deen did zero songs on this as he had done several on each of the 2004 shows that I got to see. I can't recall, but I think he might have blown a vocal cord out by the time he got to the Dayton show. SA on the other hand was for the most part spot on even though he was not singing with the vocal power he had in 2004. I would give this show a 5/10.

And for shits and giggles I will also give you my impressions for SP and AP lead Journey concerts that I got to see.

I got to see Journey fronted by AP in 2009 at the Indy State Fair. I was nowhere close to the stage or even in great seats. The concert started off in the nineties with lots of humidity. While AP is energetic and a decent showman his vocal power is awesome. He may not be singing in the original key, but damn he is good, better than Augeri, Jeremey (sorry neither have the power, they are close in tonality but that is all) and while Soto had the power, he did not have the tonality).

Now for the Perry concert. I was just a stupid teenage kid who for some reason really connected with the music of Journey, which were way more popular with the teenage girls than boys. I got tickets to see the 1983 Frontiers tour in Cincinnati, which if I remember correctly was toward the start of the tour. Perry had a presence that filled the stadium the second he took the stage, people were standing from the first moment. His vocal clarity and power were amazing, running around the stage, getting people clapping their hands he never missed a beat (that I could tell at the time) Journey was at their peak and so was Perry. If only I could go back and give myself the knowledge that this was the one and only concert that I would get to see with him. I would have appericated it much more and paid way more attention. I love watching the Houston DVD and several of my boots from the Perry years and while non of the boots have the quality production of the 2001 DVD the quality of vocals is beyond 2001 Arrival DVD.

Rich the Fronted Guy

[Rockindeano]

Oh Hell no I am not softening towards the remaining douches in the band! I hate their collective guts. Their bad people, all of them. The organization is just a horrible concoction of disgust and evil, and it all starts with that shitfuck Azoff and then it all smears off to the rest of the demonic cast. Look, you want me to give Augeri a second chance? I am sorry, but there are somethings that are just unforgiveable. This was an act, a premeditated act, contrived and executed to scam the fans. The right decision was to cancel the tour. I have made my case a thousand times. I could care less if 99% of this board disagrees with me or not. I have strong convictions about this, and I don't mind showing them here. I just can't believe that it is so forgiveable to the fans? And you know what, one person, and one person alone could have stopped this train before it ever left the station, and that would have been Mr. Augeri. He could have and should have said "no." I would love to ask the man that very question today....I would ask him if he had the chance to do it all over again, would he have backed out on the scheme? I don't know his answer, but I did pose the question to another singer of the same band and he flat out told me, that he "would never fuckin' lip."

Then why do you hang around on "this" board, if you hate the band so bad? I'm more pissed off cuase I really don't care for the new line up, so I don't hang around near as much as I use to. I know you believe in tape gate, so do I, but it is over, hopefully! But did you really expect them to sya they were lipping? It was there livelyhood at stake, I doubt if I would have the balls to admit to a fan if I was doing it. I would look like a failure, no matter how much that fan believed in me, but remember they are only human. We tend to screw things up, and don't want to admit or take the blame for it. Would you have done different, knowing your whole career was on the line, or would you have keep going hoping things would work out by some miracle and that know one would find out? The second one happens everyday to just about everyone, we just don't admit to it. I am not defending the bands actions, just saying in this day and age where a lot of people are lipping, Journey thought they could get away with it. They did if you think about it. Tape gate came out, Augeri was released (something Neal was wanting it seems), and the band contiunes, as if nothing happened. Who knows about it other than a handfull. How bad did it hurt them over all to the mass public?
They should have had the guts to take a year or two off, let Augeri go (which I hated to see happen), or toured with Soto or some one else till Augeri recovered, or move on with another singer. But I never thought the band would call it quits. That was not in the cards.

On the ohter news, Deano, did you read on Yahoo were Bryan Adams has a new cd called Bare Bones coming out?

The thing is they did it in 2005,and then knowing they had a singer that couldnt sing, booked a tour in 2006 and didnt stop until they got caught .Thats is unforgivable

Good point Steve. Not only that, they knew we were on to them and they STILL booked the Lippard tour. For the record, Augeri was getting help way back before 2005....I can't be exactly sure, but I would guess about 2003 or so, maybe even earlier.

I've never seen it anywhere mentioned anyone was on to them before the fateful tour fiasco when it was discovered and Steve was replaced with Jeff.

Oh yeah they knew. Neal told Andrew that if he saw me on the street, he would kick my ass. This was a good 8 months PRIOR to the commencement of the Lippard tour. Go back and read the archives Jana...it's all there in black and white.

PS- Jana, we knew about it mid 30th Anniversary tour, come to think of it. That would be about a year prior to the Lippard tour.

[stevew2]

Oh Hell no I am not softening towards the remaining douches in the band! I hate their collective guts. Their bad people, all of them. The organization is just a horrible concoction of disgust and evil, and it all starts with that shitfuck Azoff and then it all smears off to the rest of the demonic cast. Look, you want me to give Augeri a second chance? I am sorry, but there are somethings that are just unforgiveable. This was an act, a premeditated act, contrived and executed to scam the fans. The right decision was to cancel the tour. I have made my case a thousand times. I could care less if 99% of this board disagrees with me or not. I have strong convictions about this, and I don't mind showing them here. I just can't believe that it is so forgiveable to the fans? And you know what, one person, and one person alone could have stopped this train before it ever left the station, and that would have been Mr. Augeri. He could have and should have said "no." I would love to ask the man that very question today....I would ask him if he had the chance to do it all over again, would he have backed out on the scheme? I don't know his answer, but I did pose the question to another singer of the same band and he flat out told me, that he "would never fuckin' lip."

Then why do you hang around on "this" board, if you hate the band so bad? I'm more pissed off cuase I really don't care for the new line up, so I don't hang around near as much as I use to. I know you believe in tape gate, so do I, but it is over, hopefully! But did you really expect them to sya they were lipping? It was there livelyhood at stake, I doubt if I would have the balls to admit to a fan if I was doing it. I would look like a failure, no matter how much that fan believed in me, but remember they are only human. We tend to screw things up, and don't want to admit or take the blame for it. Would you have done different, knowing your whole career was on the line, or would you have keep going hoping things would work out by some miracle and that know one would find out? The second one happens everyday to just about everyone, we just don't admit to it. I am not defending the bands actions, just saying in this day and age where a lot of people are lipping, Journey thought they could get away with it. They did if you think about it. Tape gate came out, Augeri was released (something Neal was wanting it seems), and the band contiunes, as if nothing happened. Who knows about it other than a handfull. How bad did it hurt them over all to the mass public?
They should have had the guts to take a year or two off, let Augeri go (which I hated to see happen), or toured with Soto or some one else till Augeri recovered, or move on with another singer. But I never thought the band would call it quits. That was not in the cards.

On the ohter news, Deano, did you read on Yahoo were Bryan Adams has a new cd called Bare Bones coming out?

The thing is they did it in 2005,and then knowing they had a singer that couldnt sing, booked a tour in 2006 and didnt stop until they got caught .Thats is unforgivable

Good point Steve. Not only that, they knew we were on to them and they STILL booked the Lippard tour. For the record, Augeri was getting help way back before 2005....I can't be exactly sure, but I would guess about 2003 or so, maybe even earlier.

I've never seen it anywhere mentioned anyone was on to them before the fateful tour fiasco when it was discovered and Steve was replaced with Jeff.

Oh yeah they knew. Neal told Andrew that if he saw me on the street, he would kick my ass. This was a good 8 months PRIOR to the commencement of the Lippard tour. Go back and read the archives Jana...it's all there in black and white.

PS- Jana, we knew about it mid 30th Anniversary tour, come to think of it. That would be about a year prior to the Lippard tour.

yep thats not covering your ass but planning the deception way ahead of time

[zino]

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PS- Jana, we knew about it mid 30th Anniversary tour, come to think of it. That would be about a year prior to the Lippard tour.

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I remember seeing the 2005 concert in Hollywood Fla. It was like mid September..i was like in the 15 or 16 row, not bad seats and just saying the that the second part of the concert (the parts SA sang) just something didnt sound right and look right on the stage.

I was able to see JSS on his 3rd or 4th show in West Palm that year and again in November of that tour with Lippard. JSS got better with each show, topped off by the Fla show they did in Feburary, I was able to see them in Pompano and though they were GREAT, the engery level was amazing, set list had some great songs that hadnt been done in awhile. The future was lookin good!!! Met a couple of the people from the board at the beer stand too

[Rick]

Oh Hell no I am not softening towards the remaining douches in the band! I hate their collective guts. Their bad people, all of them. The organization is just a horrible concoction of disgust and evil, and it all starts with that shitfuck Azoff and then it all smears off to the rest of the demonic cast. Look, you want me to give Augeri a second chance? I am sorry, but there are somethings that are just unforgiveable. This was an act, a premeditated act, contrived and executed to scam the fans. The right decision was to cancel the tour. I have made my case a thousand times. I could care less if 99% of this board disagrees with me or not. I have strong convictions about this, and I don't mind showing them here. I just can't believe that it is so forgiveable to the fans? And you know what, one person, and one person alone could have stopped this train before it ever left the station, and that would have been Mr. Augeri. He could have and should have said "no." I would love to ask the man that very question today....I would ask him if he had the chance to do it all over again, would he have backed out on the scheme? I don't know his answer, but I did pose the question to another singer of the same band and he flat out told me, that he "would never fuckin' lip."

Then why do you hang around on "this" board, if you hate the band so bad? I'm more pissed off cuase I really don't care for the new line up, so I don't hang around near as much as I use to. I know you believe in tape gate, so do I, but it is over, hopefully! But did you really expect them to sya they were lipping? It was there livelyhood at stake, I doubt if I would have the balls to admit to a fan if I was doing it. I would look like a failure, no matter how much that fan believed in me, but remember they are only human. We tend to screw things up, and don't want to admit or take the blame for it. Would you have done different, knowing your whole career was on the line, or would you have keep going hoping things would work out by some miracle and that know one would find out? The second one happens everyday to just about everyone, we just don't admit to it. I am not defending the bands actions, just saying in this day and age where a lot of people are lipping, Journey thought they could get away with it. They did if you think about it. Tape gate came out, Augeri was released (something Neal was wanting it seems), and the band contiunes, as if nothing happened. Who knows about it other than a handfull. How bad did it hurt them over all to the mass public?
They should have had the guts to take a year or two off, let Augeri go (which I hated to see happen), or toured with Soto or some one else till Augeri recovered, or move on with another singer. But I never thought the band would call it quits. That was not in the cards.

On the ohter news, Deano, did you read on Yahoo were Bryan Adams has a new cd called Bare Bones coming out?

The thing is they did it in 2005,and then knowing they had a singer that couldnt sing, booked a tour in 2006 and didnt stop until they got caught .Thats is unforgivable

Good point Steve. Not only that, they knew we were on to them and they STILL booked the Lippard tour. For the record, Augeri was getting help way back before 2005....I can't be exactly sure, but I would guess about 2003 or so, maybe even earlier.

I've never seen it anywhere mentioned anyone was on to them before the fateful tour fiasco when it was discovered and Steve was replaced with Jeff.

Neal told Andrew that if he saw me on the street, he would kick my ass.

Now THAT I would like to see. You've got a foot in height and what 80 to a 100 lbs on him?

[annie89509]

Re: question on Arrival 2001 dvd...don't ask me to find it...but pretty sure HH (in one of his interview articles) said SA didn't pass muster when audio tapes taken from the concert was played back in the studio...so practically the whole show was re-dubbed vocally when the dvd was released for public consumption.

As for timeline of tapegate...putting 2&2 together in hindsight...I believe a few perceptive fans (specifically TNC and RnD) got suspicious following the band's shows in 2005, but kept it a secret all through the year. Only commotion on this board was the usual knockdown, dragout fights between perryloon camp and pro-SA/Journey (which encompass majority of posters here on MR at the time). Then 2006 came and Journey was embarking on their tour with Def Leppard. At one point, this board started taking on a different vibe. Deano, who was always a staunch Journey supporter and anti-SP/loon basher, started posting in crpytic tones...and TNC stopped posting altogether. Regular posters (like JoPa, the 2 Erics, NiG, J28, SF-D, NoMoTa...many others...pro-Journey fans all)...kept pressing Deano on some "secret" he was obviously holding out on. Finally, something broke the camel's back, and Deano spilled the beans....and all hell broke lose. It got quite ugly and nasty as RnD was taking on all comers....both here on MR and with posters from the official Journey site coming over here to refute and fight. Interestingly, I remember RVR stood out as coming over here from the other side to take on RnD..and now, they seem to be the best of friends .

Yep, quite the train wreck, like coming across a road accident that no one can take their eyes off of....but sure Andrew lost many nights of sleep, including pulling all his hair out, over.

[Abitaman]

Re: question on Arrival 2001 dvd...don't ask me to find it...but pretty sure HH (in one of his interview articles) said SA didn't pass muster when audio tapes taken from the concert was played back in the studio...so practically the whole show was re-dubbed vocally when the dvd was released for public consumption.

As for timeline of tapegate...putting 2&2 together in hindsight...I believe a few perceptive fans (specifically TNC and RnD) got suspicious following the band's shows in 2005, but kept it a secret all through the year. Only commotion on this board was the usual knockdown, dragout fights between perryloon camp and pro-SA/Journey (which encompass majority of posters here on MR at the time). Then 2006 came and Journey was embarking on their tour with Def Leppard. At one point, this board started taking on a different vibe. Deano, who was always a staunch Journey supporter and anti-SP/loon basher, started posting in crpytic tones...and TNC stopped posting altogether. Regular posters (like JoPa, the 2 Erics, NiG, J28, SF-D, NoMoTa...many others...pro-Journey fans all)...kept pressing Deano on some "secret" he was obviously holding out on. Finally, something broke the camel's back, and Deano spilled the beans....and all hell broke lose. It got quite ugly and nasty as RnD was taking on all comers....both here on MR and with posters from the official Journey site coming over here to refute and fight. Interestingly, I remember RVR stood out as coming over here from the other side to take on RnD..and now, they seem to be the best of friends .

Yep, quite the train wreck, like coming across a road accident that no one can take their eyes off of....but sure Andrew lost many nights of sleep, including pulling all his hair out, over.

And it is still one of the main reasons I don't post like I use too. People can't let the past be the past. I know the saying If we forget the past we are doomed to repeat it, but it keeps going and going and going like the E bunny. Use to be fun around here....

[YoungJRNY]

Hey Dean, when did you crack the code of Tape-gate? Were you present at a concert? Did it take you several listens on tours for it to hit you? When did you first let it be heard about your suspicion & what was the final verdict of your own confirmation?

[Rockindeano]

Hey Dean, when did you crack the code of Tape-gate? Were you present at a concert? Did it take you several listens on tours for it to hit you? When did you first let it be heard about your suspicion & what was the final verdict of your own confirmation?

I can only say this:

I was not alone in "discovering" this. There were a few others who cannot be named, but I guess if I did anything, it was the fact I brought it out into the light. The others didn't desire to do this, so I did. In retrospect, sometimes I wish I hadn't done it. It really weighed heavily on me at the time. Of course I handled it very poorly. I couldn't have handled it any worse than I did. Yeah, I got the result I needed to get, but I made a lot of enemies and hurt a lot of people by the way I spoke to them. heck, a person even passed away during this time, and that really bothered me, and still does at times. I don't know if the stress on Tapegate was a deciding factor, but it may have been.......that was when it was at it's ugliest. Again, I wish I could have done it all over and done it differently. Tell you what, one thing I am proud of is I stuck to my convictions...if this shit were to happen today, trust me you, major periodicals would know about it, loud and clear. I just can't accept this "sin" in music. That's my personal opinion.

As far as reassuring my belief what was going on Trav, it was fairly easy. I had the Vegas DVD on audio and listened to that fucker countless times...I dug it, so I knew it backwards and forwards. I had tons of bootlegs that I traded with members here. The first key moment where my ears perked up was in the song, Ask the Lonely, at the 1:15 mark I believe, there was a certain hiccup in Augeri that I had heard in other boots, mainly Toronto and the greek Theatre shows from LA. When Vegas, Toronto and LA were all played back to back, it became clear what was happening. Then Jeremey chimed in and offered some technical validation, comparing wave lengths and such..That converted many people to our side but not all. Some held out even after some convincing evidence. When Svante came in and threw down his story, then it really was a turning point.

[PianoMan1986]

Hey Dean, when did you crack the code of Tape-gate? Were you present at a concert? Did it take you several listens on tours for it to hit you? When did you first let it be heard about your suspicion & what was the final verdict of your own confirmation?

I can only say this:

I was not alone in "discovering" this. There were a few others who cannot be named, but I guess if I did anything, it was the fact I brought it out into the light. The others didn't desire to do this, so I did. In retrospect, sometimes I wish I hadn't done it. It really weighed heavily on me at the time. Of course I handled it very poorly. I couldn't have handled it any worse than I did. Yeah, I got the result I needed to get, but I made a lot of enemies and hurt a lot of people by the way I spoke to them. heck, a person even passed away during this time, and that really bothered me, and still does at times. I don't know if the stress on Tapegate was a deciding factor, but it may have been.......that was when it was at it's ugliest. Again, I wish I could have done it all over and done it differently. Tell you what, one thing I am proud of is I stuck to my convictions...if this shit were to happen today, trust me you, major periodicals would know about it, loud and clear. I just can't accept this "sin" in music. That's my personal opinion.

As far as reassuring my belief what was going on Trav, it was fairly easy. I had the Vegas DVD on audio and listened to that fucker countless times...I dug it, so I knew it backwards and forwards. I had tons of bootlegs that I traded with members here. The first key moment where my ears perked up was in the song, Ask the Lonely, at the 1:15 mark I believe, there was a certain hiccup in Augeri that I had heard in other boots, mainly Toronto and the greek Theatre shows from LA. When Vegas, Toronto and LA were all played back to back, it became clear what was happening. Then Jeremey chimed in and offered some technical validation, comparing wave lengths and such..That converted many people to our side but not all. Some held out even after some convincing evidence. When Svante came in and threw down his story, then it really was a turning point.

What do you mean about Jeremey? Who's "Svante"?

[annie89509]

Hey Dean, when did you crack the code of Tape-gate? Were you present at a concert? Did it take you several listens on tours for it to hit you? When did you first let it be heard about your suspicion & what was the final verdict of your own confirmation?

I can only say this:

I was not alone in "discovering" this. There were a few others who cannot be named, but I guess if I did anything, it was the fact I brought it out into the light. The others didn't desire to do this, so I did. In retrospect, sometimes I wish I hadn't done it. It really weighed heavily on me at the time. Of course I handled it very poorly. I couldn't have handled it any worse than I did. Yeah, I got the result I needed to get, but I made a lot of enemies and hurt a lot of people by the way I spoke to them. heck, a person even passed away during this time, and that really bothered me, and still does at times. I don't know if the stress on Tapegate was a deciding factor, but it may have been.......that was when it was at it's ugliest. Again, I wish I could have done it all over and done it differently. Tell you what, one thing I am proud of is I stuck to my convictions...if this shit were to happen today, trust me you, major periodicals would know about it, loud and clear. I just can't accept this "sin" in music. That's my personal opinion.

As far as reassuring my belief what was going on Trav, it was fairly easy. I had the Vegas DVD on audio and listened to that fucker countless times...I dug it, so I knew it backwards and forwards. I had tons of bootlegs that I traded with members here. The first key moment where my ears perked up was in the song, Ask the Lonely, at the 1:15 mark I believe, there was a certain hiccup in Augeri that I had heard in other boots, mainly Toronto and the greek Theatre shows from LA. When Vegas, Toronto and LA were all played back to back, it became clear what was happening. Then Jeremey chimed in and offered some technical validation, comparing wave lengths and such..That converted many people to our side but not all. Some held out even after some convincing evidence. When Svante came in and threw down his story, then it really was a turning point.

What do you mean about Jeremey? Who's "Svante"?

Jeremey Hunsicker of Frontiers, long-time MR poster…supported Deano’s claim with technical evidence. Svante (Petersson?) is the Swedish tech that broke the “behind the scenes” chicanery of Kevin Elson sending taped lead vocals through the main speaker systems during Journey’s 2006 European tour with Def Leppard.

[Rockindeano]

Hey Dean, when did you crack the code of Tape-gate? Were you present at a concert? Did it take you several listens on tours for it to hit you? When did you first let it be heard about your suspicion & what was the final verdict of your own confirmation?

I can only say this:

I was not alone in "discovering" this. There were a few others who cannot be named, but I guess if I did anything, it was the fact I brought it out into the light. The others didn't desire to do this, so I did. In retrospect, sometimes I wish I hadn't done it. It really weighed heavily on me at the time. Of course I handled it very poorly. I couldn't have handled it any worse than I did. Yeah, I got the result I needed to get, but I made a lot of enemies and hurt a lot of people by the way I spoke to them. heck, a person even passed away during this time, and that really bothered me, and still does at times. I don't know if the stress on Tapegate was a deciding factor, but it may have been.......that was when it was at it's ugliest. Again, I wish I could have done it all over and done it differently. Tell you what, one thing I am proud of is I stuck to my convictions...if this shit were to happen today, trust me you, major periodicals would know about it, loud and clear. I just can't accept this "sin" in music. That's my personal opinion.

As far as reassuring my belief what was going on Trav, it was fairly easy. I had the Vegas DVD on audio and listened to that fucker countless times...I dug it, so I knew it backwards and forwards. I had tons of bootlegs that I traded with members here. The first key moment where my ears perked up was in the song, Ask the Lonely, at the 1:15 mark I believe, there was a certain hiccup in Augeri that I had heard in other boots, mainly Toronto and the greek Theatre shows from LA. When Vegas, Toronto and LA were all played back to back, it became clear what was happening. Then Jeremey chimed in and offered some technical validation, comparing wave lengths and such..That converted many people to our side but not all. Some held out even after some convincing evidence. When Svante came in and threw down his story, then it really was a turning point.

What do you mean about Jeremey? Who's "Svante"?

Jeremey, the singer for the tribute band Frontiers, weighed in on the Tapegate issue. It was a shitstorm of arguing and cussing, accusing and denying, and basically a free for all here at your lovely Melodicrock.com. I was making my case daily, by posting the songs which were identical, basically, all of them, as the set list was identical night after night. People for whatever reason couldn't or wouldn't put two and two together- they couldn't hear the similarities...at tleast the smart ones could but the dumb ones(the Augeri supporters), would never admit to it. Anyway, Jeremey came in and posted some graphs he snap shotted from his computer of say Ask the Lonely from the Vegas DVD and the Toronto show. What Jeremey showed in his graph was IDENTICAL voice pitch and so on. You can go back and find these threads you know...Very hardcore reading, but entertaining to be sure. Anyway, after Jeremey's presentation, many more started to finally believe, and the ones who wouldn't admit it, just disappeared(people from Backtalk mainly). Thos epeople came over intending to shut me and others up and ended up getting their collective fat asses kicked the hell out of here.

Svante is a Swedish Cat, who works sound and recording at concerts. He was at a show overseas, and witnessed with his own eyes, Elson doing something very strange. The Front of House sound was not the sound that the recording trucks were picking up. The show was to be recorded in order to play on a radio show later on...anyway, Svante Petersson was a credible witness and as soon as that dude weighed in, the verdict was handed down. Journey were guilty as a bloody glove. People believed then. However, and this is what pissed me off more than anything. Journey knew we knew, yet, in a few months, they signed on with Def Lippard to start yet another tour lipping! Those dumb bastards thought this would all float away. So, a few weeks into the Lippard tour, the shit hits the fan. Azoff and Baruck fly out to Virginia I think it was from LA to see Augeri in action. Oh shit...The next thing you know, Neal and Cain are trembling in their boots...news came down that the band would be going LIVE with Augeri. Well, that was his last night. He didn't make it through the show and Deen had to come out front from behind the kit as his tech took over on skins. That part I felt bad for SA...He was definitely the fall guy and this was the ugly part of it. Too bad they all couldn't have taken the fall. Anyway, the next night, JSS was leading the band. Can you believe there are still people who think they didn't do this? My only question is, don't you find it ironic that as soon as the band said it was going "live" and the very first show of a live Journey, Augeri fails to make it through? Huh? But Neal never knew about it. Also, just for the record because we never harped on this, but Cain lipped Every Generation, every single night. Class act right there. Yet he talks about protecting the legacy. What hypocrites these douches are...all of them.

[PianoMan1986]

Hey Dean, when did you crack the code of Tape-gate? Were you present at a concert? Did it take you several listens on tours for it to hit you? When did you first let it be heard about your suspicion & what was the final verdict of your own confirmation?

I can only say this:

I was not alone in "discovering" this. There were a few others who cannot be named, but I guess if I did anything, it was the fact I brought it out into the light. The others didn't desire to do this, so I did. In retrospect, sometimes I wish I hadn't done it. It really weighed heavily on me at the time. Of course I handled it very poorly. I couldn't have handled it any worse than I did. Yeah, I got the result I needed to get, but I made a lot of enemies and hurt a lot of people by the way I spoke to them. heck, a person even passed away during this time, and that really bothered me, and still does at times. I don't know if the stress on Tapegate was a deciding factor, but it may have been.......that was when it was at it's ugliest. Again, I wish I could have done it all over and done it differently. Tell you what, one thing I am proud of is I stuck to my convictions...if this shit were to happen today, trust me you, major periodicals would know about it, loud and clear. I just can't accept this "sin" in music. That's my personal opinion.

As far as reassuring my belief what was going on Trav, it was fairly easy. I had the Vegas DVD on audio and listened to that fucker countless times...I dug it, so I knew it backwards and forwards. I had tons of bootlegs that I traded with members here. The first key moment where my ears perked up was in the song, Ask the Lonely, at the 1:15 mark I believe, there was a certain hiccup in Augeri that I had heard in other boots, mainly Toronto and the greek Theatre shows from LA. When Vegas, Toronto and LA were all played back to back, it became clear what was happening. Then Jeremey chimed in and offered some technical validation, comparing wave lengths and such..That converted many people to our side but not all. Some held out even after some convincing evidence. When Svante came in and threw down his story, then it really was a turning point.

What do you mean about Jeremey? Who's "Svante"?

Jeremey, the singer for the tribute band Frontiers, weighed in on the Tapegate issue. It was a shitstorm of arguing and cussing, accusing and denying, and basically a free for all here at your lovely Melodicrock.com. I was making my case daily, by posting the songs which were identical, basically, all of them, as the set list was identical night after night. People for whatever reason couldn't or wouldn't put two and two together- they couldn't hear the similarities...at tleast the smart ones could but the dumb ones(the Augeri supporters), would never admit to it. Anyway, Jeremey came in and posted some graphs he snap shotted from his computer of say Ask the Lonely from the Vegas DVD and the Toronto show. What Jeremey showed in his graph was IDENTICAL voice pitch and so on. You can go back and find these threads you know...Very hardcore reading, but entertaining to be sure. Anyway, after Jeremey's presentation, many more started to finally believe, and the ones who wouldn't admit it, just disappeared(people from Backtalk mainly). Thos epeople came over intending to shut me and others up and ended up getting their collective fat asses kicked the hell out of here.

Svante is a Swedish Cat, who works sound and recording at concerts. He was at a show overseas, and witnessed with his own eyes, Elson doing something very strange. The Front of House sound was not the sound that the recording trucks were picking up. The show was to be recorded in order to play on a radio show later on...anyway, Svante Petersson was a credible witness and as soon as that dude weighed in, the verdict was handed down. Journey were guilty as a bloody glove. People believed then. However, and this is what pissed me off more than anything. Journey knew we knew, yet, in a few months, they signed on with Def Lippard to start yet another tour lipping! Those dumb bastards thought this would all float away. So, a few weeks into the Lippard tour, the shit hits the fan. Azoff and Baruck fly out to Virginia I think it was from LA to see Augeri in action. Oh shit...The next thing you know, Neal and Cain are trembling in their boots...news came down that the band would be going LIVE with Augeri. Well, that was his last night. He didn't make it through the show and Deen had to come out front from behind the kit as his tech took over on skins. That part I felt bad for SA...He was definitely the fall guy and this was the ugly part of it. Too bad they all couldn't have taken the fall. Anyway, the next night, JSS was leading the band. Can you believe there are still people who think they didn't do this? My only question is, don't you find it ironic that as soon as the band said it was going "live" and the very first show of a live Journey, Augeri fails to make it through? Huh? But Neal never knew about it. Also, just for the record because we never harped on this, but Cain lipped Every Generation, every single night. Class act right there. Yet he talks about protecting the legacy. What hypocrites these douches are...all of them.

I know who Jeremey is and chat with him on occasion...anyway, I didn't realize he chimed in on the situation too. When you say "...showed us in his graph" do you mean like a soundwave image comparing the old performance and the "current" performance?

Who's Baruck? Never knew about Cain lipping that song -- don't remember much from the tour aside from Ross doing a surprise performance of Walks like A Lady.

[NoMoreTails]

I've always wondered how Journey couldn't have known about Jeremey's offering of evidence at that time. Even though it was objective and he's never seemed to be judgemental, I was really surprised he got an audition with them because of his weighing in on this, much less being told he had the gig at one point.

[YoungJRNY]

Hey Dean, when did you crack the code of Tape-gate? Were you present at a concert? Did it take you several listens on tours for it to hit you? When did you first let it be heard about your suspicion & what was the final verdict of your own confirmation?

I can only say this:

I was not alone in "discovering" this. There were a few others who cannot be named, but I guess if I did anything, it was the fact I brought it out into the light. The others didn't desire to do this, so I did. In retrospect, sometimes I wish I hadn't done it. It really weighed heavily on me at the time. Of course I handled it very poorly. I couldn't have handled it any worse than I did. Yeah, I got the result I needed to get, but I made a lot of enemies and hurt a lot of people by the way I spoke to them. heck, a person even passed away during this time, and that really bothered me, and still does at times. I don't know if the stress on Tapegate was a deciding factor, but it may have been.......that was when it was at it's ugliest. Again, I wish I could have done it all over and done it differently. Tell you what, one thing I am proud of is I stuck to my convictions...if this shit were to happen today, trust me you, major periodicals would know about it, loud and clear. I just can't accept this "sin" in music. That's my personal opinion.

As far as reassuring my belief what was going on Trav, it was fairly easy. I had the Vegas DVD on audio and listened to that fucker countless times...I dug it, so I knew it backwards and forwards. I had tons of bootlegs that I traded with members here. The first key moment where my ears perked up was in the song, Ask the Lonely, at the 1:15 mark I believe, there was a certain hiccup in Augeri that I had heard in other boots, mainly Toronto and the greek Theatre shows from LA. When Vegas, Toronto and LA were all played back to back, it became clear what was happening. Then Jeremey chimed in and offered some technical validation, comparing wave lengths and such..That converted many people to our side but not all. Some held out even after some convincing evidence. When Svante came in and threw down his story, then it really was a turning point.

Damn bro, that's pretty wild. To find something like that out about the people you admired and the overload of passion you had for the band had to be gut-wrenching the moment you knew what was going on. I'm curious to see what Augeri ACTUALLY sounded that night of the taping of the DVD rather than the re-did vocals. I came in here around the time of Tape-gate, right before Soto stepped in and it was just a mess. I remember hearing boot-legs of some concerts because I too dug the 2001 DVD. As soon as songs like Stone in Love, Ask the Lonely, Separate Ways and songs like Escape came onto the setlist, there was NO denying they were tapes from the 2001 DVD and as soon as I heard the first note come out of Augeri's "voice" in those lipped concerts it was automatic and very clear to me it was 100% fact that he was lipping to the 2001 DVD and couldn't believe anyone could argue it. I mean, every last little screech or crevasse of sound or movement of his voice was the exact, picture perfect same. The only thing taken out was if maybe he talked to the crowd in between breaths.

I just can't believe Journey can be that fucking retarded. I mean, they didn't even put effort into it. They lipped to a DVD they released to fans some years back. They should know the fan-base and that nothing can get past the diehards so it was pretty douche of them to mimmick that DVD, one they sold, to fans worldwide and pretty much rape them same fans out of a live concert, and money doesn't come cheap in our pockets. If they were going to do it and try to atleast get away with it, they could of made Augeri sing a stretch of songs weekly, doctor that up as quick as possible and use them vocals every so often when they needed them to mix it up to a live crowd. OR..or.. just maybe.. CANCEL THE DAMN TOUR!:x

[Rockindeano]

Hey Dean, when did you crack the code of Tape-gate? Were you present at a concert? Did it take you several listens on tours for it to hit you? When did you first let it be heard about your suspicion & what was the final verdict of your own confirmation?

I can only say this:

I was not alone in "discovering" this. There were a few others who cannot be named, but I guess if I did anything, it was the fact I brought it out into the light. The others didn't desire to do this, so I did. In retrospect, sometimes I wish I hadn't done it. It really weighed heavily on me at the time. Of course I handled it very poorly. I couldn't have handled it any worse than I did. Yeah, I got the result I needed to get, but I made a lot of enemies and hurt a lot of people by the way I spoke to them. heck, a person even passed away during this time, and that really bothered me, and still does at times. I don't know if the stress on Tapegate was a deciding factor, but it may have been.......that was when it was at it's ugliest. Again, I wish I could have done it all over and done it differently. Tell you what, one thing I am proud of is I stuck to my convictions...if this shit were to happen today, trust me you, major periodicals would know about it, loud and clear. I just can't accept this "sin" in music. That's my personal opinion.

As far as reassuring my belief what was going on Trav, it was fairly easy. I had the Vegas DVD on audio and listened to that fucker countless times...I dug it, so I knew it backwards and forwards. I had tons of bootlegs that I traded with members here. The first key moment where my ears perked up was in the song, Ask the Lonely, at the 1:15 mark I believe, there was a certain hiccup in Augeri that I had heard in other boots, mainly Toronto and the greek Theatre shows from LA. When Vegas, Toronto and LA were all played back to back, it became clear what was happening. Then Jeremey chimed in and offered some technical validation, comparing wave lengths and such..That converted many people to our side but not all. Some held out even after some convincing evidence. When Svante came in and threw down his story, then it really was a turning point.

Damn bro, that's pretty wild. To find something like that out about the people you admired and the overload of passion you had for the band had to be gut-wrenching the moment you knew what was going on. I'm curious to see what Augeri ACTUALLY sounded that night of the taping of the DVD rather than the re-did vocals. I came in here around the time of Tape-gate, right before Soto stepped in and it was just a mess. I remember hearing boot-legs of some concerts because I too dug the 2001 DVD. As soon as songs like Stone in Love, Ask the Lonely, Separate Ways and songs like Escape came onto the setlist, there was NO denying they were tapes from the 2001 DVD and as soon as I heard the first note come out of Augeri's "voice" in those lipped concerts it was automatic and very clear to me it was 100% fact that he was lipping to the 2001 DVD and couldn't believe anyone could argue it. I mean, every last little screech or crevasse of sound or movement of his voice was the exact, picture perfect same. The only thing taken out was if maybe he talked to the crowd in between breaths.

I just can't believe Journey can be that fucking retarded. I mean, they didn't even put effort into it. They lipped to a DVD they released to fans some years back. They should know the fan-base and that nothing can get past the diehards so it was pretty douche of them to mimmick that DVD, one they sold, to fans worldwide and pretty much rape them same fans out of a live concert, and money doesn't come cheap in our pockets. If they were going to do it and try to atleast get away with it, they could of made Augeri sing a stretch of songs weekly, doctor that up as quick as possible and use them vocals every so often when they needed them to mix it up to a live crowd. OR..or.. just maybe.. CANCEL THE DAMN TOUR!:x

It was indeed gut wrenching Travis. That was one of my favourite bands ever, next to Bruce and E Street. One thing I don't think anyone here knows is, I was going to let the lipping just sort of fade away, and forgive and forget, until------they booked a new full tour opening for Lippard! That incensed me to a point I have never been to. I still get pissed about that move. That's when I said fuck them, and truly wanted to bury their careers. Soto is the guy who talked me off the ledge, and surprise surprise, Neal reached out to me and became real friendly with me. Dude was calling my cell all the time, and just hamming it up. He would call from the bus after shows, and ask me this and that. I really was digging it. He would ask my takes on what songs should be in the set and stuff like that. LOL, I remember telling him to never let Valory anywhere near a live mic again, and I also told him that Every Generation was a poor attempt for Cain to be like Billy Joel. He laughed at that one...but yeah, they were real good to me. (Yes Cain LIPPED that song every night). Hell, I will spill it. Schon flew me out to Boston and Atlantic City. I saw two shows and was going to ride on the bus with them until that fat ugly fuck JT said I couldn't. That created an uproar to say the least. Other things they did for me; every show was free; backstage all access VIP status(this pissed JT off too ).; Schon offered me a gig as a PR writer.....now that would have been smart had he followed up on it- not because it was me writing, but that band had some serious momentum going, smoking Lippard every show, and they could have used someone to get out some of their good PR they had going. This is not my opinion alone, as every single newspaper writing reviews agreed that Journey wiped the floor with Elliot and his shit voice and the one armed drummer. They just aren't as talented as Journey; never were and never will be either. Oh I could tell some great stories about Lippard "sound checks." LOL, what a farce that was. They are no more authentic than a Brittney Spears taped show. Lippard is as fake as fake can be. On a Journey soundcheck, you would have the band, all of the band, playing, singing, tinkering with the sound, versus Lippard, who had NO members of their band show up for check, yet I heard all guitars playing, as well as all vocals. That was and is still a bit strange don't you think? At least Elson did a masterful job at disguising Augeri's fakeness, but Lippard was so transparent it was hysterical to see/hear. Elliot would "try" to sing, and all of a sudden, perfect toned high vocals just blasted out of a canon and covered fror poor Elliot. That band continues to deceive it's fans and pull the wool over their eyes. I know two real nice lovely ladies that post here, so I will back off now as to not hurt their feelings, but in a nutshell, Lippard is a tape machine, not a rock band.,

[YoungJRNY]

Hey Dean, when did you crack the code of Tape-gate? Were you present at a concert? Did it take you several listens on tours for it to hit you? When did you first let it be heard about your suspicion & what was the final verdict of your own confirmation?

I can only say this:

I was not alone in "discovering" this. There were a few others who cannot be named, but I guess if I did anything, it was the fact I brought it out into the light. The others didn't desire to do this, so I did. In retrospect, sometimes I wish I hadn't done it. It really weighed heavily on me at the time. Of course I handled it very poorly. I couldn't have handled it any worse than I did. Yeah, I got the result I needed to get, but I made a lot of enemies and hurt a lot of people by the way I spoke to them. heck, a person even passed away during this time, and that really bothered me, and still does at times. I don't know if the stress on Tapegate was a deciding factor, but it may have been.......that was when it was at it's ugliest. Again, I wish I could have done it all over and done it differently. Tell you what, one thing I am proud of is I stuck to my convictions...if this shit were to happen today, trust me you, major periodicals would know about it, loud and clear. I just can't accept this "sin" in music. That's my personal opinion.

As far as reassuring my belief what was going on Trav, it was fairly easy. I had the Vegas DVD on audio and listened to that fucker countless times...I dug it, so I knew it backwards and forwards. I had tons of bootlegs that I traded with members here. The first key moment where my ears perked up was in the song, Ask the Lonely, at the 1:15 mark I believe, there was a certain hiccup in Augeri that I had heard in other boots, mainly Toronto and the greek Theatre shows from LA. When Vegas, Toronto and LA were all played back to back, it became clear what was happening. Then Jeremey chimed in and offered some technical validation, comparing wave lengths and such..That converted many people to our side but not all. Some held out even after some convincing evidence. When Svante came in and threw down his story, then it really was a turning point.

Damn bro, that's pretty wild. To find something like that out about the people you admired and the overload of passion you had for the band had to be gut-wrenching the moment you knew what was going on. I'm curious to see what Augeri ACTUALLY sounded that night of the taping of the DVD rather than the re-did vocals. I came in here around the time of Tape-gate, right before Soto stepped in and it was just a mess. I remember hearing boot-legs of some concerts because I too dug the 2001 DVD. As soon as songs like Stone in Love, Ask the Lonely, Separate Ways and songs like Escape came onto the setlist, there was NO denying they were tapes from the 2001 DVD and as soon as I heard the first note come out of Augeri's "voice" in those lipped concerts it was automatic and very clear to me it was 100% fact that he was lipping to the 2001 DVD and couldn't believe anyone could argue it. I mean, every last little screech or crevasse of sound or movement of his voice was the exact, picture perfect same. The only thing taken out was if maybe he talked to the crowd in between breaths.

I just can't believe Journey can be that fucking retarded. I mean, they didn't even put effort into it. They lipped to a DVD they released to fans some years back. They should know the fan-base and that nothing can get past the diehards so it was pretty douche of them to mimmick that DVD, one they sold, to fans worldwide and pretty much rape them same fans out of a live concert, and money doesn't come cheap in our pockets. If they were going to do it and try to atleast get away with it, they could of made Augeri sing a stretch of songs weekly, doctor that up as quick as possible and use them vocals every so often when they needed them to mix it up to a live crowd. OR..or.. just maybe.. CANCEL THE DAMN TOUR!:x

It was indeed gut wrenching Travis. That was one of my favourite bands ever, next to Bruce and E Street. One thing I don't think anyone here knows is, I was going to let the lipping just sort of fade away, and forgive and forget, until------they booked a new full tour opening for Lippard! That incensed me to a point I have never been to. I still get pissed about that move. That's when I said fuck them, and truly wanted to bury their careers. Soto is the guy who talked me off the ledge, and surprise surprise, Neal reached out to me and became real friendly with me. Dude was calling my cell all the time, and just hamming it up. He would call from the bus after shows, and ask me this and that. I really was digging it. He would ask my takes on what songs should be in the set and stuff like that. LOL, I remember telling him to never let Valory anywhere near a live mic again, and I also told him that Every Generation was a poor attempt for Cain to be like Billy Joel. He laughed at that one...but yeah, they were real good to me. (Yes Cain LIPPED that song every night). Hell, I will spill it. Schon flew me out to Boston and Atlantic City. I saw two shows and was going to ride on the bus with them until that fat ugly fuck JT said I couldn't. That created an uproar to say the least. Other things they did for me; every show was free; backstage all access VIP status(this pissed JT off too ).; Schon offered me a gig as a PR writer.....now that would have been smart had he followed up on it- not because it was me writing, but that band had some serious momentum going, smoking Lippard every show, and they could have used someone to get out some of their good PR they had going. This is not my opinion alone, as every single newspaper writing reviews agreed that Journey wiped the floor with Elliot and his shit voice and the one armed drummer. They just aren't as talented as Journey; never were and never will be either. Oh I could tell some great stories about Lippard "sound checks." LOL, what a farce that was. They are no more authentic than a Brittney Spears taped show. Lippard is as fake as fake can be. On a Journey soundcheck, you would have the band, all of the band, playing, singing, tinkering with the sound, versus Lippard, who had NO members of their band show up for check, yet I heard all guitars playing, as well as all vocals. That was and is still a bit strange don't you think? At least Elson did a masterful job at disguising Augeri's fakeness, but Lippard was so transparent it was hysterical to see/hear. Elliot would "try" to sing, and all of a sudden, perfect toned high vocals just blasted out of a canon and covered fror poor Elliot. That band continues to deceive it's fans and pull the wool over their eyes. I know two real nice lovely ladies that post here, so I will back off now as to not hurt their feelings, but in a nutshell, Lippard is a tape machine, not a rock band.,

Well, I know one thing, Schon and Journey def dropped the ball into not taking their own gig up of offering you the PR move. You have such a way with words that paint an entire picture and you're so full of useful and explicit information. I thought I'd never, ever hear certain things when it comes to people's experience first hand behind the scenes. I'm always trying to look for answers and always put myself in a fantasy world to really know what's going on with our favorite band, sports teams and so forth that only the imagination could take you unless your living it, and you lived it so I appreciate you taking the time and answering some questions in vivid detail. It literally feels like I was there when reading your posts and understand your hostility towards the band of any sort.

I know you talk to the band in utter disgust (personal personalities) but you can't deny you still adore and will always cherish the music, right? It'll be a shame for you to atleast NOT enjoy the music judging by how big of a hardcore fan you are/were. Do you ever regret being "in" with the band?

[Rockindeano]

I know you talk to the band in utter disgust (personal personalities) but you can't deny you still adore and will always cherish the music, right? It'll be a shame for you to atleast NOT enjoy the music judging by how big of a hardcore fan you are/were. Do you ever regret being "in" with the band?

I will always like the Classic era and the music, but even that I couldn't listen to for about two years. I still don't spin any Journey, never. Just stained if you ask me. As for the music, it was definitely good for it's time, but the last four or so years the music sucks. Red 13 blew and Generations was even worse. As for Revelation...whatever, nothing memorable there. They sound so dated that if I want to hear Journey, I will spin Perry Journey, not some sound alike. They are so creatively bankrupt...you would think with their talent, they could come up with something to be relevent, but nope, nothing.

As for me regretting being "in" with the band? No way. It was fun as all Hell. I would do it differently if I had a chance to do it again that's for sure. For starters, the first thing I would do is whip the shit out of JT and his big fat white ass. I am serious, that guy was a walking heap of hot fresh dog shit. He was uglier than sin, and LOL, never got chicks, even though I witnessed first hand him trying to woo some skanks down in Tampa with passes...none of them bit on his bait. Secaondly, I would act much more mature next time around. I was out of control, dude. Did I ever tell you about the time at the Hollywood Bowl in LA, rummaging through Lippard's dressing room thieving all their Sam Adams? Funny now, but not cool then. I remember finding them, opening them on a the corner of some furniture, pounding it in one gulop, and getting another, repeat. I have no respect for those deceiving Euro hair plugged fags. If I ever see Elliot again, I am going to rip off Rick Allen's good arm and beat the shit out of him with it like a boat oar. I don't know how those guys are getting over on the paying public with their obvious bullshit. Poor Journey, busting their ass and getting no run, and Lippard is miming and faking their way through headlining shows...just ain't fair I guess.

[jestor92]

I was at one of the shows that they opened with Lep with Augeri on vocs here in America after the Tapegate incident.

Augeri sounded terrible that night and I remember Castronovo having to take over vocals in a good portion of the songs because Steve couldn't sing them. Even when he could sing the parts he sounded terrible. I was actually embarressed to be a Journey fan that night. I was disappointed when they announced JSS as the new vocalist about 2 weeks later. Disappointed that I missed seeing him with the band.

Out of curiosity Deano did Journey ever try to get their lawyers after you to keep you quiet, why didn't you get the job with them, who is JT, and are you and the band still on friendly terms these days?