Classic Rock votes Perry #1 AOR vocalist

[Saint John]

If it was, he would do whatever he could to effect a reunion, and his mouth - even to this day - is what's keeping that from happening.

I don't think it's his mouth. It's someone else's. Besides, every other band in the world, bands with far worst hatred for each other, have done a reunion tour for the fans. Unfortunately, Journey has one key member who doesn't seem to care about them at all.

[Don]

At this point in time, Perry and the band both benefit more from his being the unofficial spokesman for all things DSB and Pineda being the actual pipes that are hauled out during touring season.

[donnaplease]

If it was, he would do whatever he could to effect a reunion, and his mouth - even to this day - is what's keeping that from happening.

I don't think it's his mouth. It's someone else's.

Might be yours.

[donnaplease]

Besides, every other band in the world, bands with far worst hatred for each other, have done a reunion tour for the fans. Unfortunately, Journey has one key member who doesn't seem to care about them at all.

For the fans my ass! I know you're too smart to believe that. I can guarantee you that if Billy Sheehan was giving EM the finger in the press every time he turned around, that Deb and others wouldn't be making plans to catch a show in Cali. (I'm jealous, BTW) You don't kick someone in the teeth and then turn around and wonder why they're not coming back for more. Well, maybe you do...

[donnaplease]

At this point in time, Perry and the band both benefit more from his being the unofficial spokesman for all things DSB and Pineda being the actual pipes that are hauled out during touring season.

I somehow doubt SP would see it that way, Don.

[Rockindeano]

Besides, every other band in the world, bands with far worst hatred for each other, have done a reunion tour for the fans. Unfortunately, Journey has one key member who doesn't seem to care about them at all.

For the fans my ass! I know you're too smart to believe that. I can guarantee you that if Billy Sheehan was giving EM the finger in the press every time he turned around, that Deb and others wouldn't be making plans to catch a show in Cali. (I'm jealous, BTW) You don't kick someone in the teeth and then turn around and wonder why they're not coming back for more. Well, maybe you do...

No shit donna. For the fans? This band? LOL, there are but a few bands out there who would do a reunion tour for it's fans, and Journey sure as hell isn't one of them. Those guys work so hard for their fans, that they played and sang to a tape for not one, but TWO tours. They are all about their loyal fans I tell ya.

Why can't you and Chucky come out here for that weekend? Forget the show, who cares about that shit? Come out here to party, and see Stu get a picture of our dicks in his face when he is passed out. LOL, I am counting down the days for that night.

Hey Daniel, did you hear that in addition to Liquid Ass, there is now Barfume? Yep, Barf smelling perfume in a convenient spray bottle.

[donnaplease]

Besides, every other band in the world, bands with far worst hatred for each other, have done a reunion tour for the fans. Unfortunately, Journey has one key member who doesn't seem to care about them at all.

For the fans my ass! I know you're too smart to believe that. I can guarantee you that if Billy Sheehan was giving EM the finger in the press every time he turned around, that Deb and others wouldn't be making plans to catch a show in Cali. (I'm jealous, BTW) You don't kick someone in the teeth and then turn around and wonder why they're not coming back for more. Well, maybe you do...

No shit donna. For the fans? This band? LOL, there are but a few bands out there who would do a reunion tour for it's fans, and Journey sure as hell isn't one of them. Those guys work so hard for their fans, that they played and sang to a tape for not one, but TWO tours. They are all about their loyal fans I tell ya.

Why can't you and Chucky come out here for that weekend? Forget the show, who cares about that shit? Come out here to party, and see Stu get a picture of our dicks in his face when he is passed out. LOL, I am counting down the days for that night.

Hey Daniel, did you hear that in addition to Liquid Ass, there is now Barfume? Yep, Barf smelling perfume in a convenient spray bottle.

There is nothing I'd love more than a trip to Cali, but it's not really in the budget right now. College tuition and fashion conscious girls are keeping us broke. Alexa wants to go back for her HS graduation trip, though. Chucky... hehe. Dunno if I could handle the barfume. Made me gag just thinking about it. Poor Stu.

Although, Anissa has been wanting a 'girls night out', and she has family in Santa Clarita...

[Saint John]

Although, Anissa has been wanting a 'girls night out', and she has family in Santa Clarita...

I'm going to buy lottery tickets right now!!!

[donnaplease]

Although, Anissa has been wanting a 'girls night out', and she has family in Santa Clarita...

I'm going to buy lottery tickets right now!!!

Yeah, yeah... you miss me, dontcha?

[Saint John]

Although, Anissa has been wanting a 'girls night out', and she has family in Santa Clarita...

I'm going to buy lottery tickets right now!!!

Yeah, yeah... you miss me, dontcha?

Yes.

[Rockindeano]

If it was, he would do whatever he could to effect a reunion, and his mouth - even to this day - is what's keeping that from happening.

Sorry red headed woman...it's affect.

[Red13JoePa]

If it was, he would do whatever he could to effect a reunion, and his mouth - even to this day - is what's keeping that from happening.

Sorry red headed woman...it's affect.

I think in Donna's context the word was spelled right though?

[Deb]

Besides, every other band in the world, bands with far worst hatred for each other, have done a reunion tour for the fans. Unfortunately, Journey has one key member who doesn't seem to care about them at all.

For the fans my ass! I know you're too smart to believe that. I can guarantee you that if Billy Sheehan was giving EM the finger in the press every time he turned around, that Deb and others wouldn't be making plans to catch a show in Cali. (I'm jealous, BTW) You don't kick someone in the teeth and then turn around and wonder why they're not coming back for more. Well, maybe you do...

Yep, quite the opposite actually, see sig quote. Short clip of Billy and Eric in London a couple weeks ago, fantastic to see these 2 smiling together again, love it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-rL77VSztc

[Rockindeano]

If it was, he would do whatever he could to effect a reunion, and his mouth - even to this day - is what's keeping that from happening.

Sorry red headed woman...it's affect.

I think in Donna's context the word was spelled right though?

You and I go through this battle every time it raises its' ugly head. "effect" is past tense where "affect is a current themed adverb.

Examples: When you take a shit with the door open, it affects the air in the house! - I hear that all the time.

When you shit with the door open, it has a prolonged effect on the air quality of the house. See the difference? Where's Michigangirl when you need her?

[Michigan Girl]

If it was, he would do whatever he could to effect a reunion, and his mouth - even to this day - is what's keeping that from happening.

Sorry red headed woman...it's affect.

I think in Donna's context the word was spelled right though?

You and I go through this battle every time it raises its' ugly head. "effect" is past tense where "affect is a current themed adverb.

Examples: When you take a shit with the door open, it affects the air in the house! - I hear that all the time.

When you shit with the door open, it has a prolonged effect on the air quality of the house. See the difference? Where's Michigangirl when you need her?

lol ...The effect of your dump has not affected me, yet!!

[Rockindeano]

If it was, he would do whatever he could to effect a reunion, and his mouth - even to this day - is what's keeping that from happening.

Sorry red headed woman...it's affect.

I think in Donna's context the word was spelled right though?

You and I go through this battle every time it raises its' ugly head. "effect" is past tense where "affect is a current themed adverb.

Examples: When you take a shit with the door open, it affects the air in the house! - I hear that all the time.

When you shit with the door open, it has a prolonged effect on the air quality of the house. See the difference? Where's Michigangirl when you need her?

lol ...The effect of your dump has not affected me, yet!!

Just wait until you come to LA, C.

[donnaplease]

If it was, he would do whatever he could to effect a reunion, and his mouth - even to this day - is what's keeping that from happening.

Sorry red headed woman...it's affect.

Wrong. Try again. You "effect" a change (to make it happen). You are "affected" by that change. Neal and his mouth are "affecting" the chances of a reunion, but if he wanted to "effect" a change in himself, perhaps that reunion could, in effect.... happen. I feel like Damon Wayans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBM6CBtuHS4

So there!

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[Rockindeano]

No, YOU"RE wrong. Here is your exact quote:

If it was, he would do whatever he could to effect a reunion, and his mouth - even to this day - is what's keeping that from happening.

Had you changed it to, "whatever he could have done to "effect" a reunion" then "effect could have been used. As it stands in your quote, "affect" is the proper usage.

This, is correct:

If it was, he would do whatever he could to affect a reunion, and his mouth - even to this day - is what's keeping that from happening.

[donnaplease]

No, YOU"RE wrong. Here is your exact quote:

If it was, he would do whatever he could to effect a reunion, and his mouth - even to this day - is what's keeping that from happening.

Had you changed it to, "whatever he could have done to "effect" a reunion" then "effect could have been used. As it stands in your quote, "affect" is the proper usage.

This, is correct:

If it was, he would do whatever he could to affect a reunion, and his mouth - even to this day - is what's keeping that from happening.

Nuh-Uh. He is affecting the reunion potential by his big mouth. But he could effect (bring about) a reunion if he chose to play nice. So

[FinnFreak]

Denying Perry being an essential part of Journey, is denying history.

He was great.

Trying to replace him is beyond embarrassing & will only make moving forward more difficult.

Besides, Schon & Cain wrote/performed (IMHO) way better under pressure with Perry...


John -

[Jana]

No, YOU"RE wrong. Here is your exact quote:

If it was, he would do whatever he could to effect a reunion, and his mouth - even to this day - is what's keeping that from happening.

Had you changed it to, "whatever he could have done to "effect" a reunion" then "effect could have been used. As it stands in your quote, "affect" is the proper usage.

This, is correct:

If it was, he would do whatever he could to affect a reunion, and his mouth - even to this day - is what's keeping that from happening.

Donna is right. It's "effect" in the sentence she used.

[donnaplease]

No, YOU"RE wrong. Here is your exact quote:

If it was, he would do whatever he could to effect a reunion, and his mouth - even to this day - is what's keeping that from happening.

Had you changed it to, "whatever he could have done to "effect" a reunion" then "effect could have been used. As it stands in your quote, "affect" is the proper usage.

This, is correct:

If it was, he would do whatever he could to affect a reunion, and his mouth - even to this day - is what's keeping that from happening.

Donna is right. It's "effect" in the sentence she used.

That's 3 to 1. You lose, big boy...

[donnaplease]

Besides, Schon & Cain wrote/performed (IMHO) way better under pressure with Perry...


John -

This is an excellent point - agreed 10000000%.

[Ligzig]

I think that in Journeys case, they have very few options when it comes to songwriting content. They've pigeonholed themselves into the same sort of song they've been writing since 1981 and nothing has changed since, except it's singers. Remove Perry from the equation and it might seem as though they are getting worse, but really, their songwriting has always been pretty paint by numbers. It's Perry that brought the magic.

There are some songs on Relevation that would have been instant classics if they were sung by Perry in 1980-84. Except maybe "What it takes to win". Cain, dude, seriously....when you have to pull out "there's no 'I' in team" as a song lyric, you may be spent.

[Don]

I think that in Journeys case, they have very few options when it comes to songwriting content. They've pigeonholed themselves into the same sort of song they've been writing since 1981 and nothing has changed since, except it's singers. Remove Perry from the equation and it might seem as though they are getting worse, but really, their songwriting has always been pretty paint by numbers. It's Perry that brought the magic.

There are some songs on Relevation that would have been instant classics if they were sung by Perry in 1980-84. Except maybe "What it takes to win". Cain, dude, seriously....when you have to pull out "there's no 'I' in team" as a song lyric, you may be spent.

I guess that's true for a lot of bands from that era. They didn't forget how to write, they just don't know how to evolve as writers to be relevant with the times.

[RedWingFan]

I think that in Journeys case, they have very few options when it comes to songwriting content. They've pigeonholed themselves into the same sort of song they've been writing since 1981 and nothing has changed since, except it's singers. Remove Perry from the equation and it might seem as though they are getting worse, but really, their songwriting has always been pretty paint by numbers. It's Perry that brought the magic.

There are some songs on Relevation that would have been instant classics if they were sung by Perry in 1980-84. Except maybe "What it takes to win". Cain, dude, seriously....when you have to pull out "there's no 'I' in team" as a song lyric, you may be spent.

I guess that's true for a lot of bands from that era. They didn't forget how to write, they just don't know how to evolve as writers to be relevant with the times.

I don't think so. I think it's just a young man's game. Kids and teens drive the music biz. They generally don't care what a 50 something man or women wants to write and/or sing about.

[Ligzig]

I think "Drive" has a lot to do with it. A young Cain/Schon and Perry were hungry for success. When it was still fresh, it was probably easier to let the creativity flow. Now it is routine...

[Don]

Now that I'm looking at what I wrote, was Journey ever relevant as writers? Probably a band that lived off of catchy hooks more than anything else. The lyrics were usually ambiguous compared to the music itself.

[Ligzig]

Now that I'm looking at what I wrote, was Journey ever relevant as writers? Probably a band that lived off of catchy hooks more than anything else. The lyrics were usually ambiguous compared to the music itself.

I think Perrys voice and catchy hooks had far more to do with it than lyrics. There are A LOT of questionable lyrics in the Journey catalog, but you can't deny their musicianship or singing talent. Even so...I think going the road they went (looking for success, but I'm not going to throw that fucking word "corporate") I think they were capable of much more complex and deeper cuts.

Then again, Journey wouldn't have legions of female fans, but at least they might have more respect from their peers.

[SherriBerry]

Arnel may have given the band a bit of Reprieve with his rag to riches story but you could only count on that for so long. Perry the hermit has waited for his moment and now, magically has all the time in the world when it comes to the resurgence of DSB and he is easily available to promote said song, it seems. He's quite oppurtunistic, never complementing specific members of the band, always making sure that he still has a string connected to anything coming from the back catalog. Sort of genius, really. Herbie might not have put up with it but Irving is the man now and him and Perry appear to be two peas in a pod when it comes to being manipulative so I don't see Azoff ever throwing the gaunlet down and declaring Perry persona non grata in relation to anything the band does.

I don't think Steve Perry was waiting for anything - with the resurgence of interest in DSB, journalists are coming to him and he's obliging in talking to them, but that isn't calculated. He was in retirement all this time waiting for the right moment to promote his music? As for having a string connected to the back catalogue - if his name is on the writing credits, he has every right. If I wrote amazing songs, I would be careful about how they are used too. If it were up to the others, the songs would have been used to promote any crappy product imaginable just to make a buck and to me, that kind of use diminishes their significance and worth.

He has recently complemented Neal several times in interviews about what an amazing player he is and remains his all-time favourite musician to work and perform with. SP was also the only band member when Journey received its star on the Walk of Fame to acknowledge Herbie and say he wouldn't be there if it weren't for him. I'm not sure if anyone ever asks him about Jonathan Cain, but in interviews while they were together in Journey he acknowledged that Cain's songwriting took Journey to an entirely new level and in one interview to promote TBF, referred to him as "Mozart". At least Steve Perry doesn't insult his former bandmates and while he probably doesn't like a lot of what is going on with the band, he recognizes that that part of it is no longer his concern and he refrains from making public comments.