New interview with Deen

[Rockindeano]

I remember Cain telling Jeff in Orlando, "now Jeff, in Journey, we don't do dick songs." That was the night at Universal City when Lynn actually didn't tell anyone to go fuck themselves. She was quite kind actually.

Wasn't the phrase "we don't do cock rock".

No I vividly remember Jon mowing wings(no sauce), and saying the word "dick." I started howling. I never thought I would see the Frig with chewed up chickin in his chicletts muttering the word, "dick."

[journeyrock]

JSS was too much testosterone for Cain

There's a lot of truth in that, though. Jeff brought a new dynamic to the band that really amped up the rock side of it. Just as each other frontman has brought his own signature to the shows.

Not that my opinion matters much, but I will say that JSS was the ONLY post Perry frontman that got me interested in the band again. It is a shame.

[Deb]

I remember Cain telling Jeff in Orlando, "now Jeff, in Journey, we don't do dick songs." That was the night at Universal City when Lynn actually didn't tell anyone to go fuck themselves. She was quite kind actually.

Wasn't the phrase "we don't do cock rock".

No I vividly remember Jon mowing wings(no sauce), and saying the word "dick." I started howling. I never thought I would see the Frig with chewed up chickin in his chicletts muttering the word, "dick."

Oh ok, sorry, must have gotten Lost In The Translation. Bahaha I crack me up.....

[Rocker Chic]

I remember Cain telling Jeff in Orlando, "now Jeff, in Journey, we don't do dick songs." That was the night at Universal City when Lynn actually didn't tell anyone to go fuck themselves. She was quite kind actually.

Wasn't the phrase "we don't do cock rock".

No I vividly remember Jon mowing wings(no sauce), and saying the word "dick." I started howling. I never thought I would see the Frig with chewed up chickin in his chicletts muttering the word, "dick."

Oh ok, sorry, must have gotten Lost In The Translation. Bahaha I crack me up.....

Damn, I love (and miss) you!!!

[NoMoreTails]

Perhaps there's more to JSS's firing, whether just or unjust...however, two things were obvious: Cain was never sold on JSS, and the Walmart deal would never have happened without a Perry-ish voice.

Not true at all.
They were in talks while Jeff was in the band.

And then he was fired so the deal could be done?

And by the way, I have a copy of GH Live with Soto's voice on it. He sounds just fine, thank you.

The same one he posted on the SS website a couple of years before he was in Journey?

[Rockindeano]

Perhaps there's more to JSS's firing, whether just or unjust...however, two things were obvious: Cain was never sold on JSS, and the Walmart deal would never have happened without a Perry-ish voice.

Not true at all.
They were in talks while Jeff was in the band.

And then he was fired so the deal could be done?

No. He was let go for whatever reason. I am told he was fired because of his association with me and the fact he was too close to some on this site. That seems to be the reason.

And by the way, I have a copy of GH Live with Soto's voice on it. He sounds just fine, thank you.

The same one he posted on the SS website a couple of years before he was in Journey?

No...I think I may be the only one who has this one too, in addition to Jeff and Neal/Cain.

[atanarjuat]

I know it's old news but I think Journey blew the real good chance they had. I remember actually feeling excited about the next record with JSS on lead. Sorry, but as nice as Pineda might be, it just doesn't do anything for me.

[Don]

Speaking of Jeff, My boss and and one of the VPs went to see TSO in Anahiem. They said JSS is really being promoted as the Frontman. Glad he is having success with them.

[Jana]

Perhaps there's more to JSS's firing, whether just or unjust...however, two things were obvious: Cain was never sold on JSS, and the Walmart deal would never have happened without a Perry-ish voice.

Not true at all.
They were in talks while Jeff was in the band.

And then he was fired so the deal could be done?

No. He was let go for whatever reason. I am told he was fired because of his association with me and the fact he was too close to some on this site. That seems to be the reason.

And by the way, I have a copy of GH Live with Soto's voice on it. He sounds just fine, thank you.

The same one he posted on the SS website a couple of years before he was in Journey?

No...I think I may be the only one who has this one too, in addition to Jeff and Neal/Cain.

I thought he was against the re-records. So why did he do them?

[Rockindeano]

Speaking of Jeff, My boss and and one of the VPs went to see TSO in Anahiem. They said JSS is really being promoted as the Frontman. Glad he is having success with them.

I was there Don. JSS is one of two lead men. He is definitely the "guy." Tremendous show by the way.

[atanarjuat]

Speaking of Jeff, My boss and and one of the VPs went to see TSO in Anahiem. They said JSS is really being promoted as the Frontman. Glad he is having success with them.

I was there Don. JSS is one of two lead men. He is definitely the "guy." Tremendous show by the way.

It doesn't make any sense to me. You seem to know, Deano, are you under some sort of gag too?

[Don]

Speaking of Jeff, My boss and and one of the VPs went to see TSO in Anahiem. They said JSS is really being promoted as the Frontman. Glad he is having success with them.

I was there Don. JSS is one of two lead men. He is definitely the "guy." Tremendous show by the way.

It doesn't make any sense to me. You seem to know, Deano, are you under some sort of gag too?

Gag orders, nondisclosure agreements don't allow you to tell a third party who in turn can spread the word. If Dean talks, and the only one he can be found associated with is JSS, guess who gets sued?

[Lora]

What just happened in this exchange has made me sick to my stomach. Things are very different for me now with regards to some here.

Don't let this get to you. Some people on this forum have an agenda and they are not interested in truth. You know what happened during that particular time in Journey's history because you were there...just as I was there for some of it. You made mistakes and you have owned up to them. Just let it go. They are not worth it.

[atanarjuat]

Speaking of Jeff, My boss and and one of the VPs went to see TSO in Anahiem. They said JSS is really being promoted as the Frontman. Glad he is having success with them.

I was there Don. JSS is one of two lead men. He is definitely the "guy." Tremendous show by the way.

It doesn't make any sense to me. You seem to know, Deano, are you under some sort of gag too?

Gag orders, nondisclosure agreements don't allow you to tell a third party who in turn can spread the word. If Dean talks, and the only one he can be found associated with is JSS, guess who gets sued?

Makes sense. I guess making great new music didn't matter enough.

[Andrew]

And by the way, I have a copy of GH Live with Soto's voice on it. He sounds just fine, thank you.

He sure does.

[Rhiannon]

JSS was too much testosterone for Cain

There's a lot of truth in that, though. Jeff brought a new dynamic to the band that really amped up the rock side of it. Just as each other frontman has brought his own signature to the shows.

Not that my opinion matters much, but I will say that JSS was the ONLY post Perry frontman that got me interested in the band again. It is a shame.

For all intents & purposes, ditto. Complete ditto.
I didn't get into Augeri's style until seeing him at Journey to the Cure, and even then, I like him better as him doing his thing.

Then again, after getting to know Jeff's abilities better too, I like him doing his own thing as well.

I like artistry.

[Glenn]

Let me say this about Deen.

In 2006 when Journey rolled through Texas, I went to the Dallas and Houston show.


In speaking with a friend who tallked to Deen (and Augeri) semi-often, I was told in the car on the way to Houston that Deen said "The band is divided...The tour may not finish...it's Neal and JSS on one side and all of us on the other" That may not be word for ws ord but close enough.


I was confused by this a bit seeing how Deen looked to be having the time of his life on stage in Dallas with some serious chemistry going on with JSS..

So I get to Houston and low and behold, Deen was wearing a JSS shirt on stage during the show.

That's just one example. The dude rocks behind the kit, but has more faces than ANYONE in Journey past or present.



And by the way, to those folks that still question Deano, please stop....He was right, and still is. My cousin who lived out in LA at the time and worked in the buisness told me everything that was going on 3 days after Augeri's last show....Deano was spoe is not on and he is not lying when he says he knows more than he is willing to say.

(personaly Dean, I think you should just tell it all once and for all, but that's just me).

And Deen wasn't the only person in the band who thanked Deano for Tapegate...



I'm still shocked that Deano is still questioned about this 4 years later.....makes for a good laugh though when I read some of the stuff...

[Jana]

Let me say this about Deen.

In 2006 when Journey rolled through Texas, I went to the Dallas and Houston show.


In speaking with a friend who tallked to Deen (and Augeri) semi-often, I was told in the car on the way to Houston that Deen said "The band is divided...The tour may not finish...it's Neal and JSS on one side and all of us on the other" That may not be word for ws ord but close enough.


I was confused by this a bit seeing how Deen looked to be having the time of his life on stage in Dallas with some serious chemistry going on with JSS..

So I get to Houston and low and behold, Deen was wearing a JSS shirt on stage during the show.

That's just one example. The dude rocks behind the kit, but has more faces than ANYONE in Journey past or present.



And by the way, to those folks that still question Deano, please stop....He was right, and still is. My cousin who lived out in LA at the time and worked in the buisness told me everything that was going on 3 days after Augeri's last show....Deano was spoe is not on and he is not lying when he says he knows more than he is willing to say.

(personaly Dean, I think you should just tell it all once and for all, but that's just me).

And Deen wasn't the only person in the band who thanked Deano for Tapegate...



I'm still shocked that Deano is still questioned about this 4 years later.....makes for a good laugh though when I read some of the stuff...

Maybe the band was divided at that time, because Deen and Jon and Ross still wanted Steve Augeri to stay in the band after time off to rest his vocals and Neal was thinking of moving on with JSS permanently down the road after this tour was over and letting Augeri go.

[NoMoreTails]

Perhaps there's more to JSS's firing, whether just or unjust...however, two things were obvious: Cain was never sold on JSS, and the Walmart deal would never have happened without a Perry-ish voice.

Not true at all.
They were in talks while Jeff was in the band.

And then he was fired so the deal could be done?

No. He was let go for whatever reason. I am told he was fired because of his association with me and the fact he was too close to some on this site. That seems to be the reason.

And by the way, I have a copy of GH Live with Soto's voice on it. He sounds just fine, thank you.

The same one he posted on the SS website a couple of years before he was in Journey?

No...I think I may be the only one who has this one too, in addition to Jeff and Neal/Cain.

I thought he was against the re-records. So why did he do them?

I'm thinking they were his audition tape, though I was told the ones posted on the Soul Sirkus site were done just by JSS just for his amusement or something to that affect.

[NoMoreTails]

Let me say this about Deen.

In 2006 when Journey rolled through Texas, I went to the Dallas and Houston show.


In speaking with a friend who tallked to Deen (and Augeri) semi-often, I was told in the car on the way to Houston that Deen said "The band is divided...The tour may not finish...it's Neal and JSS on one side and all of us on the other" That may not be word for ws ord but close enough.

I definitely think Cain never warmed up to Jeff enough to agree to having him in the band permanently, despite all the complimentary things he said in interviews on that tour. He's going to want JSS as the singer yet won't let him sing the signature ballads? I don't think so.

[donnaplease]

I recall hearing about the re-records with JSS in spring of '07. At first I thought it was a great idea, but then I soon changed my mind. Just as with Arnel, I believe it's preposterous to think anyone would prefer them to the original. Just another money-making scheme, IMO. Although, with regard to Jeff's "version", I do believe we would've gotten a different take on the originals, as opposed to the copycat edition they put out with Arnel.

I wonder if the Walmart deal didn't lead to Jeff's ousting, at least in part. They sell knockoff music, and it definitely wouldn't be perceived as a knockoff with Jeff. IF the re-records were a condition of the deal, and the WM execs were displeased with Jeff's "version"... I'm sure it's easier to blame a 'personality' conflict than to say 'we did it for the money'. Just a thought.

Does anyone know if they would've been able to market Revelation with anyone other than Walmart?

Regarding Deen: I never got to know him personally, but I met him a few times at shows, and he was very warm and friendly. I didn't get that feeling from Neal or Jon. I'd like to believe that Deen is a good guy. Let's face it, we can all be asshats at one time or another!

Dean and Dan - KISS AND MAKE UP, DAMMIT!!!

[donnaplease]

I definitely think Cain never warmed up to Jeff enough to agree to having him in the band permanently, despite all the complimentary things he said in interviews on that tour. He's going to want JSS as the singer yet won't let him sing the signature ballads? I don't think so.

He must have agreed, otherwise how was Jeff made an official member of the band?

[Saint John]

Sorry to say, I fear there's more done than this "debate." And all because of a stupid band, too.

Better not be ...

No worries, I'll make damn sure they hug out at the Mr Big show.

I won't be there so good luck with that.

Smartin up! Both of you!

Dean is simply going through another one of his phases where he can dish it out, but he can't take it. It took me only a few minutes to find this post from a few days ago that basically shells me and a few others on this board, but we took it in stride, and it's far worse than any theory posted about what went down during his time with Journey.

Truth be told, I fucking hate republicans. I honestly do not think they give two shits about the country in general. They only give a shit about the white and the rich. Seriously, that is exactly what I believe. I have been alive long anough to know, and seeing Reagan, Bush and Bush has completely convinced me that those motherfuckers only care for a certain faction of societey. I believe it is my sole duty as a citizen to do everything possible to prevent them from coming into power. They have proved it time and time again, that they fuck everything up. Now, are the Dems saints? Hell no. There are some real bad Democrats, however, IMHO, the Democratic party is the party of the people, not corporate America. In my view Neo Conservatism is the motherfucking root of all evil, predicated on the will to take over the world. Yes Mike, I hate the fucking republican party.

[NoMoreTails]

I definitely think Cain never warmed up to Jeff enough to agree to having him in the band permanently, despite all the complimentary things he said in interviews on that tour. He's going to want JSS as the singer yet won't let him sing the signature ballads? I don't think so.

He must have agreed, otherwise how was Jeff made an official member of the band?

I don't know if he just lost the power struggle or maybe they planned to sack JSS all along. But of course that leads to the question why would you name him permanent singer if that was the plan? Can you see Cain wanting a singer who he wouldn't let sing Faithfully and Open Arms,, especially heading into the re-records?

[Red13JoePa]

Fuck you, Dan.

Fuck me and I'm a "liar" all in one thread. Nice to see you can retain some semblance of civility while debating.

I have had enough of your assaults on me and what you think happened to me or what not. False comments and unjusts..just to make Journey look good-all at my expense. Well, fuck you, I am not taking that shit.

I am done debating you.

Yeah, I'm done, too.

Sorry to say, I fear there's more done than this "debate." And all because of a stupid band, too.

He'll bounce back, Saint John.
Trust me on this one.

[Saint John]

He'll bounce back, Saint John.
Trust me on this one.

You know me, man, I don't take this shit all that seriously, but I also don't run around calling people liars and coming up with insane theories about backdoor friendships with other posters.

[Saint John]

Some people on this forum have an agenda

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuu2iNisoQc

[Deb]

I remember Cain telling Jeff in Orlando, "now Jeff, in Journey, we don't do dick songs." That was the night at Universal City when Lynn actually didn't tell anyone to go fuck themselves. She was quite kind actually.

Wasn't the phrase "we don't do cock rock".

No I vividly remember Jon mowing wings(no sauce), and saying the word "dick." I started howling. I never thought I would see the Frig with chewed up chickin in his chicletts muttering the word, "dick."

Oh ok, sorry, must have gotten Lost In The Translation. Bahaha I crack me up.....

Damn, I love (and miss) you!!!

Right back atchya, chicklet! Definitely have to catch another show down the road.......

[Art Vandelay]

Speaking of Jeff, My boss and and one of the VPs went to see TSO in Anahiem. They said JSS is really being promoted as the Frontman. Glad he is having success with them.

I was there Don. JSS is one of two lead men. He is definitely the "guy." Tremendous show by the way.

From what little I know about JSS (nothing more than youtube clips), I'm glad to see that he's part of TSO. I was at the very first show of the very first TSO tour, at the Tower Theater in '99. The frontmen back then had booming, soaring vocals. One of the guys in our group of friends that night said to me, "wow, this must be what a Journey Christmas show would have sounded like!" This was early in the Augeri days and the guy who said this was only 21 and not a HUGE Journey fan, so there was always a Perry factor/influence to TSO. Good for JSS!

[Archetype]

What just happened in this exchange has made me sick to my stomach. Things are very different for me now with regards to some here. I don't want to comment any more about this crap, but I feel I have to answer this particular post in a timely fashion.

You were the god Damned shepherd!!! You were hopping Stallone's fence to drop off one of the worst pieces of music in recorded history (Generations), then you were the anti-Christ to them and wanted them all dead after Tapegate, then you were criss-crossing the country and partying with them, and now you hate them again! But you call us sheep because we like the music and put it above "getting close?!?!" We have kept the people separate from the music ... you didn't. And that's not our fault.

I WAS a huge fan. I saw that one of my favourite bands had gone awry, and was cheapening themselves as well as spitting in the face of rock music. I thought "fixing" the band was the right thing to do. What the band did was that fucking bad. Despite what all you spineless fans think, lipping is NOT ok. Just because other bands like Lippard and some others do it, does not make it right.

We got the band fixed. We got them to sing live during a concert again(what a novel idea!). Neal looked at me in a positive light. I forgave the band for it's mistake and all was well. At least for a half of tour.Then they pollute the air again with their horrible people skills. They fire a guy who did nothing but save a tour, make them millions and save their faces and careers. They fire him for reasons you have NO idea about. I suggest if you think they fired Soto because of his association with me, or his closeness with fans on the internet, you call him and ask him these questions before you erroneously blab them aloud on the web. What you have said about Soto's firing is all untrue. You know he is unable to come in here and speak his side or tell the truth, because he is under gag order, so you two make up theory- you make up stuff, and it sounds good, and all the Journey hero worshippers follow you. It's sad really.

Oh and as far as keeping the music and the people separate, please stop, I am laughing too hard. Yes, you keep the music and people separate. How about the daily Perry bashing, calling him wasted on coke, lazy, a backstabber, and a bad bandmate. Doesn't sound like you kept that too separate. How about the lame defense you guys roll out- "They're good people?" remember that shit? What's funny is you have never gotten to know these guys. You simply take sides because of your love for all things Journey, and in this case, Schon and Cain are your heros. Yet you guys chastise me for defending Perry, who is tada...scandal free. The last point I am going to make and this is important. You can choose to believe me or you can go on blindly defending your heroes, but one thing is certain. I ahve seen these guys at work, and you haven't. I have already spoken to you as to why everyone on this board has met them and none of us like any of them...that speaks volumes. But go on and listen to RobbieG and others who just adore Schon and Cain...it's ok if you think I am full of shit. Remember, people thought Jose Canseco was full of shit too.

I'd be a lot more inclined to completely believe you if you wouldn't say things like "they're bad, but I can't comment on it" sort of stuff. Tell us what Deen said about Augeri. Tell us why Soto was really fired, etc.