Missed Opportunity

[brywool]

Karaoke my ass. Arnel sings his ass off.

When this guy can write his own song, just one for crying out loud, then he will get a bit more respect. As it is now, he IS a karaoke singer. Just because you sing your ass off, does not make you not a "cover singer." Better?

The guy HAS written songs in his own language (as of course he would prior to a few years ago). He's also written songs in part for the new Journey record. While they're not huge hits, that has nothing to do with his singing abilities. By your definition, Elvis would be a karaoke singer. So what, the guy sings covers. MOST artists did this until they gotta break. MOST artists did this until the internet apparently made everyone instantly famous.

I don't understand why people sh*t on Arnel so much. .

Good point. I wasn't trying to shit on Pineda...I used poor words, however, his fans are fucking idiots. Pinoy nation is an embarrassment.

Jeez Deano, if we judged a singer by his fans, Perry fans and Dennis DeYoung fans would take the cake for wackjobs. His fans are his fans. Has NOTHING to do with the talent that he brings to the table.

The guy's one helluva singer

I'm not so sure about this. Helluva voice? Absolutely. Great singer? Meh, not so much. The guy can cover a song pretty good, but he still has major flaws, mainly enunciation and diction. I would be very cautious to label him a "great singer." JSS is by far and away, a much better singer than Pineda.

There are MANY great singers that don't sing in English. He's one of them. JSS Better? I'm not getting into that other than saying, I don't agree with you.

[Saint John]

JSS is by far and away, a much better singer than Pineda.

And he'll be lighting up the stage next month with his 50 fans after 25 years of work in the American music scene. I can get more than that at a barbecue.

[Don]

JSS is by far and away, a much better singer than Pineda.

And he'll be lighting up the stage next month with his 50 fans after 25 years of work in the American music scene. I can get more than that at a barbecue. :lol:

If you're bringing plokkers over, don't invite PETA.

[Michigan Girl]

Maybe it's not so much about Perry being paranoid, perhaps he is just a sadistic type of person that likes to rile up Neal every chance he gets. He just does it covertly, to paint Schon as the fool. Sort of like a bully picking on the special needs kid in school. The instigator doesn't always have to be the biggest and loudest one in the class, you know.

No, but let’s look at the facts, sir
1.) They/Journey were blocked …by whom?!? Noone, and by that I mean NO ONE knows for sure, it’s all been pure speculation on our parts.
2.) Perhaps SJ’s Dodger friend can’t stand the Giants, nor the people who support them …ever thought about that?!?!
3.) Until I hear Neal whining about this, I will assume he had something to do with the decision!!


SJ, noone, and by that I mean NO ONE suggested that SP's talent was being
questioned by the Perry Bashers, ever!!!

[Saint John]

JSS is by far and away, a much better singer than Pineda.

And he'll be lighting up the stage next month with his 50 fans after 25 years of work in the American music scene. I can get more than that at a barbecue. :lol:

If you're bringing plokkers over, don't invite PETA.

Funny story. Tito and I were invited to a party by a Pinoy who was an Arnel fan, and the guy happened to live only about a mile from Tito's house. We get there at about 4:30 (party started at 4) and we're the only people there. I guess Filipino's are terrible about being on time. Anyway, the guy starts offering us beer and food, and the first thing he hands us is a "Filipino shish kabob." This thing smelled awfully weird, too. Out of courtesy, I take and bite and so does Tito. The guy asks us what we think and I said, "It's really good." It was. The guy walks away, Tito spits it out and yells, "We're eating a fucking dog, man!" I spit my beer out, busted out laughing and assured him I would ask what sort of meat it was. It was pork. I think.

[Saint John]

Noone

Cut that out!!! Iknowyou'redoingthatonpurpose!!!

[Don]

JSS is by far and away, a much better singer than Pineda.

And he'll be lighting up the stage next month with his 50 fans after 25 years of work in the American music scene. I can get more than that at a barbecue. :lol:

If you're bringing plokkers over, don't invite PETA.

Funny story. Tito and I were invited to a party by a Pinoy who was an Arnel fan, and the guy happened to live only about a mile from Tito's house. We get there at about 4:30 (party started at 4) and we're the only people there. I guess Filipino's are terrible about being on time. Anyway, the guy starts offering us beer and food, and the first thing he hands us is a "Filipino shish kabob." This thing smelled awfully weird, too. Out of courtesy, I take and bite and so does Tito. The guy asks us what we think and I said, "It's really good." It was. The guy walks away, Tito spits it out and yells, "We're eating a fucking dog, man!" I spit my beer out, busted out laughing and assured him I would ask what sort of meat it was. It was pork. I think.

You'll know when you are eating mutt. It's stringy, tough like goat, not really great at all, a bit too gamey. I can eat the stuff that's been boiled down but pulling it off the bone is too much work for very little reward.

[Michigan Girl]

JSS is by far and away, a much better singer than Pineda.

And he'll be lighting up the stage next month with his 50 fans after 25 years of work in the American music scene. I can get more than that at a barbecue. :lol:

If you're bringing plokkers over, don't invite PETA.

Funny story. Tito and I were invited to a party by a Pinoy who was an Arnel fan, and the guy happened to live only about a mile from Tito's house. We get there at about 4:30 (party started at 4) and we're the only people there. I guess Filipino's are terrible about being on time. Anyway, the guy starts offering us beer and food, and the first thing he hands us is a "Filipino shish kabob." This thing smelled awfully weird, too. Out of courtesy, I take and bite and so does Tito. The guy asks us what we think and I said, "It's really good." It was. The guy walks away, Tito spits it out and yells, "We're eating a fucking dog, man!" I spit my beer out, busted out laughing and assured him I would ask what sort of meat it was. It was pork. I think.

I am LMAO!!! I hope your friend doesn't read here!!

[Saint John]

JSS is by far and away, a much better singer than Pineda.

And he'll be lighting up the stage next month with his 50 fans after 25 years of work in the American music scene. I can get more than that at a barbecue. :lol:

If you're bringing plokkers over, don't invite PETA.

Funny story. Tito and I were invited to a party by a Pinoy who was an Arnel fan, and the guy happened to live only about a mile from Tito's house. We get there at about 4:30 (party started at 4) and we're the only people there. I guess Filipino's are terrible about being on time. Anyway, the guy starts offering us beer and food, and the first thing he hands us is a "Filipino shish kabob." This thing smelled awfully weird, too. Out of courtesy, I take and bite and so does Tito. The guy asks us what we think and I said, "It's really good." It was. The guy walks away, Tito spits it out and yells, "We're eating a fucking dog, man!" I spit my beer out, busted out laughing and assured him I would ask what sort of meat it was. It was pork. I think.

I am LMAO!!! I hope your friend doesn't read here!!

Ironically, his name is Danny! I'm not sure if he reads here or not, but he's one cool dude and I've been to his house for several parties since. Mostly Pacquiao fights.

[Art Vandelay]

Karaoke my ass. Arnel sings his ass off.

When this guy can write his own song, just one for crying out loud, then he will get a bit more respect. As it is now, he IS a karaoke singer. Just because you sing your ass off, does not make you not a "cover singer." Better?

I don't understand why people sh*t on Arnel so much. .

Good point. I wasn't trying to shit on Pineda...I used poor words, however, his fans are fucking idiots. Pinoy nation is an embarrassment.

The guy's one helluva singer

I'm not so sure about this. Helluva voice? Absolutely. Great singer? Meh, not so much. The guy can cover a song pretty good, but he still has major flaws, mainly enunciation and diction. I would be very cautious to label him a "great singer." JSS is by far and away, a much better singer than Pineda.

Deano - I understand you wanting to get the most from a singer...believe me I do! Yes, the classic Journey catalogue was mainly composed as a group effort with heavy involvement from the singer, and that magic touch is sadly missing these days. But the songwriting debate doesn't really hold up. Good singers don't HAVE to be composers/songwriters. Elvis and Streisand come to mind very quickly. Much of the Temptations music (and other Motown hits) were written by Smokey. Look at all of the great singers who performed the Burt Bacharach catalogue. Pavarotti? Bocelli? Even Elton doesn't write his own lyrics.

[Michigan Girl]

Deano - I understand you wanting to get the most from a singer...believe me I do! Yes, the classic Journey catalogue was mainly composed as a group effort with heavy involvement from the singer, and that magic touch is sadly missing these days. But the songwriting debate doesn't really hold up. Good singers don't HAVE to be composers/songwriters. Elvis and Streisand come to mind very quickly. Much of the Temptations music (and other Motown hits) were written by Smokey. Look at all of the great singers who performed the Burt Bacharach catalogue. Pavarotti? Bocelli? Even Elton doesn't write his own lyrics.

Art, I'm going to have to agree with you here!! Sadly, though, some folks can't grasp/capture the emotion/heart
of a song if it's not something they've written/endured ...the above listed were/are able to overcome that,
and there are many, many others!!

[Art Vandelay]

Deano - I understand you wanting to get the most from a singer...believe me I do! Yes, the classic Journey catalogue was mainly composed as a group effort with heavy involvement from the singer, and that magic touch is sadly missing these days. But the songwriting debate doesn't really hold up. Good singers don't HAVE to be composers/songwriters. Elvis and Streisand come to mind very quickly. Much of the Temptations music (and other Motown hits) were written by Smokey. Look at all of the great singers who performed the Burt Bacharach catalogue. Pavarotti? Bocelli? Even Elton doesn't write his own lyrics.

Art, I'm going to have to agree with you here!! Sadly, though, some folks can't grasp the emotion/heart
of a song if it's not something they've written/endured ...the above listed were/are able to overcome that,
and there are many, many others!!

Yep, and each category of music is it's own beast as well and should be looked at as such. So I do understand Deano's argument...to a point. But it can't be the end-all/be-all judgement.

[Rockindeano]

Way to completely twist all of my words, assholes.

I said, when Pineda can finally write a single song, he will get more respect. Until then, he is a karaoke singer. People, he is singing Steve Perry songs....why can't you understand this? The difference between Elvis and Streisand is they sang songs they themselves did not write, yet they aren't covers. That's all Pineda sings...Perry covers.

[Jana]

Way to completely twist all of my words, assholes.

I said, when Pineda can finally write a single song, he will get more respect. Until then, he is a karaoke singer. People, he is singing Steve Perry songs....why can't you understand this? The difference between Elvis and Streisand is they sang songs they themselves did not write, yet they aren't covers. That's all Pineda sings...Perry covers.

He sang SEVEN Revelation songs on the DVD and usually four in concert throughout the tour. So let's be a little fair here, Mr. Objective. They weren't all "Journey classic" songs. Funny how you followed Augeri all those years, with him singing the same percentage of classics, and you never called him a karaoke singer.

[Art Vandelay]

Way to completely twist all of my words, assholes.

I said, when Pineda can finally write a single song, he will get more respect. Until then, he is a karaoke singer. People, he is singing Steve Perry songs....why can't you understand this? The difference between Elvis and Streisand is they sang songs they themselves did not write, yet they aren't covers. That's all Pineda sings...Perry covers.

Not twisting your words, bro...you have brought this up a number of times. And I can guarantee you that everyone that I named has performed AND recorded songs that were previously recorded...even Elvis

[NoMoreTails]

So Cain writes most all the lyrics now....I have no doubt he wrote almost all the lyrics when he and SP were both in the band. I've never seen much documented on the subject of Perry's lyric writing, some themes and melodies, sure. On the other hand Cain has gone into some detail about writing Rubicon after doing some heavy reading, I think so discussion of how Trial By Fire came about and one that really jumps to mind is how he was working to write the verses of Be Good To Yourself and needed some input but Perry was off playing producer...probably calling drummers that couldn't hold Smitty's jock strap or lining up lunch.
Evidently Open Arms was finished before he even came to Journey as he had presented it to John Waite who called it rubbish, Perry probably stretched a one syllable word into eight syllables and called it additional lyrics. The mystery is how he didn't weasel a writing credit for Faithfully.
If Perry is such a great lyricist perhaps Lora can weigh in with some detail. I'm sure she's gained some insight from Perry or others from her years of working with him/them.

[Jana]

So Cain writes most all the lyrics now....I have no doubt he wrote almost all the lyrics when he and SP were both in the band. I've never seen much documented on the subject of Perry's lyric writing, some themes and melodies, sure. On the other hand Cain has gone into some detail about writing Rubicon after doing some heavy reading, I think so discussion of how Trial By Fire came about and one that really jumps to mind is how he was working to write the verses of Be Good To Yourself and needed some input but Perry was off playing producer...probably calling drummers that couldn't hold Smitty's jock strap or lining up lunch.
Evidently Open Arms was finished before he even came to Journey as he had presented it to John Waite who called it rubbish, Perry probably stretched a one syllable word into eight syllables and called it additional lyrics. The mystery is how he didn't weasel a writing credit for Faithfully.
If Perry is such a great lyricist perhaps Lora can weigh in with some detail. I'm sure she's gained some insight from Perry or others from her years of working with him/them.

I think Cain is, definitely, the more talented lyricist, but with Perry's input it becomes standout songs. Perry has definitely taken a leadership role many times in Journey on songwriting as far as an idea he wanted to address in a song and along with Cain and Neal created those songs and took those songs places because of how he wanted to use his vocals in the songs. I think Perry definitely has a very creative mind regarding songwriting.

[Rockindeano]

So Cain writes most all the lyrics now....I have no doubt he wrote almost all the lyrics when he and SP were both in the band. I've never seen much documented on the subject of Perry's lyric writing, some themes and melodies, sure. On the other hand Cain has gone into some detail about writing Rubicon after doing some heavy reading, I think so discussion of how Trial By Fire came about and one that really jumps to mind is how he was working to write the verses of Be Good To Yourself and needed some input but Perry was off playing producer...probably calling drummers that couldn't hold Smitty's jock strap or lining up lunch.
Evidently Open Arms was finished before he even came to Journey as he had presented it to John Waite who called it rubbish, Perry probably stretched a one syllable word into eight syllables and called it additional lyrics. The mystery is how he didn't weasel a writing credit for Faithfully.
If Perry is such a great lyricist perhaps Lora can weigh in with some detail. I'm sure she's gained some insight from Perry or others from her years of working with him/them.

I never claimed Perry was a great lyricist. There are only a handful in business, who are truly great. I do think you are stretching the songwriting examination here just a bit. Perry contributed, and that's not disputable. Hell, he wrote LTS and Party's Over by himself. He obviously helped out on DSB as well as their hits before Cain arrived.

[Michigan Girl]

Way to completely twist all of my words, assholes.

I said, when Pineda can finally write a single song, he will get more respect. Until then, he is a karaoke singer. People, he is singing Steve Perry songs....why can't you understand this? The difference between Elvis and Streisand is they sang songs they themselves did not write, yet they aren't covers. That's all Pineda sings...Perry covers.

LOL ...I understand your point!!
I don't care who sings what (NOMOTA) words matter not if I don't feel them!! Perhaps Jon Cain could
write into SP's heart better than he can Pineda's (NOMOTA)?!?! That's something to think about (NOMOTA)!!
EMOTION, HEART, FEELING ...that's what I want from my songs (NOMOTA) ...F*ck the words (NOMOTA)!!

[Rockindeano]

Way to completely twist all of my words, assholes.

I said, when Pineda can finally write a single song, he will get more respect. Until then, he is a karaoke singer. People, he is singing Steve Perry songs....why can't you understand this? The difference between Elvis and Streisand is they sang songs they themselves did not write, yet they aren't covers. That's all Pineda sings...Perry covers.

Not twisting your words, bro...you have brought this up a number of times. And I can guarantee you that everyone that I named has performed AND recorded songs that were previously recorded...even Elvis

Again, you are missing my point. Nothing wrong with singing covers, hell I like it. However, with regard to Presley, he never wrote any of his own tunes, but the songs he adopted, were sung by him, and Elvis may have sang a cover or two, but the overwhelming majority of his songs are "his."

[Rockindeano]

Way to completely twist all of my words, assholes.

I said, when Pineda can finally write a single song, he will get more respect. Until then, he is a karaoke singer. People, he is singing Steve Perry songs....why can't you understand this? The difference between Elvis and Streisand is they sang songs they themselves did not write, yet they aren't covers. That's all Pineda sings...Perry covers.

He sang SEVEN Revelation songs on the DVD and usually four in concert throughout the tour. So let's be a little fair here, Mr. Objective. They weren't all "Journey classic" songs. Funny how you followed Augeri all those years, with him singing the same percentage of classics, and you never called him a karaoke singer.

Augeri absolutely was a cover singer in the early years. He did however, contribute on Arrival, Red13 and Generations. Perhaps, he should have stayed away. His songs sucked ass.

[Art Vandelay]

Way to completely twist all of my words, assholes.

I said, when Pineda can finally write a single song, he will get more respect. Until then, he is a karaoke singer. People, he is singing Steve Perry songs....why can't you understand this? The difference between Elvis and Streisand is they sang songs they themselves did not write, yet they aren't covers. That's all Pineda sings...Perry covers.

Not twisting your words, bro...you have brought this up a number of times. And I can guarantee you that everyone that I named has performed AND recorded songs that were previously recorded...even Elvis

Again, you are missing my point. Nothing wrong with singing covers, hell Ilike it. However, with regard to Presley, he never wrote any of his own tunes, but the songs he adopted, were sung by him, and Elvis may have sang a cover or two, but the overwhelming majority of his songs are "his."

I'm with you...and no doubt it was Elvis's signature that gave those songs its life and popularity...and Arnel flat out ain't doing that! Your argument of great voice vs. great singer nailed it. I just wanted to clear the smoke on any singer/songwriter debate.

[Michigan Girl]

Way to completely twist all of my words, assholes.

I said, when Pineda can finally write a single song, he will get more respect. Until then, he is a karaoke singer. People, he is singing Steve Perry songs....why can't you understand this? The difference between Elvis and Streisand is they sang songs they themselves did not write, yet they aren't covers. That's all Pineda sings...Perry covers.

Not twisting your words, bro...you have brought this up a number of times. And I can guarantee you that everyone that I named has performed AND recorded songs that were previously recorded...even Elvis

Again, you are missing my point. Nothing wrong with singing covers, hell Ilike it. However, with regard to Presley, he never wrote any of his own tunes, but the songs he adopted, were sung by him, and Elvis may have sang a cover or two, but the overwhelming majority of his songs are "his."

I'm with you...and no doubt it was Elvis's signature that gave those songs its life and popularity...and Arnel flat out ain't doing that! Your argument of great voice vs. great singer nailed it. I just wanted to clear the smoke on any singer/songwriter debate.

We have a hammer nail connection here!! A good song is more than a good lyric and a good voice!!! Most of Journey's lyrics
were not the greatest anyway ...be real!! It was the emoting of the songs, the emotion in the instruments, the passion of the band
that made them the treasures they are!!

[Saint John]

A good song is more than a good lyric and a good voice!!! Most of Journey's lyrics
were not the greatest anyway ...be real!! It was the emoting of the songs, the emoting of the instruments,
that made them the treasures they are!!

You're missing the main thing, though ... chemistry. You can take the greatest singer, drummer, keys player, guitarist and bassist, and the end result may very well be total garbage. You need chemistry and Journey had that with Perry. Who actually contributed what and how much really makes little difference, as it's all about the end product. Now we'll see if they have it with Arnel. For a rush job, Revelation was about as good as could be expected, but now we'll get an excuse-free project to really pick apart.

[Art Vandelay]

A good song is more than a good lyric and a good voice!!! Most of Journey's lyrics
were not the greatest anyway ...be real!! It was the emoting of the songs, the emoting of the instruments,
that made them the treasures they are!!

You're missing the main thing, though ... chemistry. You can take the greatest singer, drummer, keys player, guitarist and bassist, and the end result may very well be total garbage. You need chemistry and Journey had that with Perry. Who actually contributed what and how much really makes little difference, as it's all about the end product. Now we'll see if they have it with Arnel. For a rush job, Revelation was about as good as could be expected, but now we'll get an excuse-free project to really pick apart.

Can't argue that!

[NoMoreTails]

I never claimed Perry was a great lyricist. There are only a handful in business, who are truly great. I do think you are stretching the songwriting examination here just a bit. Perry contributed, and that's not disputable. Hell, he wrote LTS and Party's Over by himself. He obviously helped out on DSB as well as their hits before Cain arrived.

I was more replying to MG's post than yours, though I didn't paste it. I see she has since clarified that Perry was not one who necessarily had to write the words to feel them.
I do think its debatable how original a composition LTS is, and both it and TPO would absolutely suck if not for what Neal brought to them with his guitar work.

[Ligzig]

Way to completely twist all of my words, assholes.

I said, when Pineda can finally write a single song, he will get more respect. Until then, he is a karaoke singer. People, he is singing Steve Perry songs....why can't you understand this? The difference between Elvis and Streisand is they sang songs they themselves did not write, yet they aren't covers. That's all Pineda sings...Perry covers.

Not twisting your words, bro...you have brought this up a number of times. And I can guarantee you that everyone that I named has performed AND recorded songs that were previously recorded...even Elvis

Again, you are missing my point. Nothing wrong with singing covers, hell Ilike it. However, with regard to Presley, he never wrote any of his own tunes, but the songs he adopted, were sung by him, and Elvis may have sang a cover or two, but the overwhelming majority of his songs are "his."

I'm with you...and no doubt it was Elvis's signature that gave those songs its life and popularity...and Arnel flat out ain't doing that! Your argument of great voice vs. great singer nailed it. I just wanted to clear the smoke on any singer/songwriter debate.

We have a hammer nail connection here!! A good song is more than a good lyric and a good voice!!! Most of Journey's lyrics
were not the greatest anyway ...be real!! It was the emoting of the songs, the emotion in the instruments, the passion of the band
that made them the treasures they are!!

Truth. Without Perry bringing those average to sometimes questionable lyrics to life, Journey wouldn't be half as big. Cain/Schon/Perry were good at writing hooks and catchy music to back it up, but the lyrics were always questionable. It's not really fair to judge Arnel at this stage. After the next CD drops, we can let loose though!

[portland]

Way to completely twist all of my words, assholes.

I said, when Pineda can finally write a single song, he will get more respect. Until then, he is a karaoke singer. People, he is singing Steve Perry songs....why can't you understand this? The difference between Elvis and Streisand is they sang songs they themselves did not write, yet they aren't covers. That's all Pineda sings...Perry covers.

Not twisting your words, bro...you have brought this up a number of times. And I can guarantee you that everyone that I named has performed AND recorded songs that were previously recorded...even Elvis

Again, you are missing my point. Nothing wrong with singing covers, hell Ilike it. However, with regard to Presley, he never wrote any of his own tunes, but the songs he adopted, were sung by him, and Elvis may have sang a cover or two, but the overwhelming majority of his songs are "his."

I'm with you...and no doubt it was Elvis's signature that gave those songs its life and popularity...and Arnel flat out ain't doing that! Your argument of great voice vs. great singer nailed it. I just wanted to clear the smoke on any singer/songwriter debate.

We have a hammer nail connection here!! A good song is more than a good lyric and a good voice!!! Most of Journey's lyrics
were not the greatest anyway ...be real!! It was the emoting of the songs, the emotion in the instruments, the passion of the band
that made them the treasures they are!!

Truth. Without Perry bringing those average to sometimes questionable lyrics to life, Journey wouldn't be half as big. Cain/Schon/Perry were good at writing hooks and catchy music to back it up, but the lyrics were always questionable. It's not really fair to judge Arnel at this stage. After the next CD drops, we can let loose though!

Well said.....we will see.

[Michigan Girl]

I never claimed Perry was a great lyricist. There are only a handful in business, who are truly great. I do think you are stretching the songwriting examination here just a bit. Perry contributed, and that's not disputable. Hell, he wrote LTS and Party's Over by himself. He obviously helped out on DSB as well as their hits before Cain arrived.

I was more replying to MG's post than yours, though I didn't paste it. I see she has since clarified that Perry was not one who necessarily had to write the words to feel them. I do think its debatable how original a composition LTS is, and both it and TPO would absolutely suck if not for what Neal brought to them with his guitar work.

I said that because I don't know all of the facts! I do, however, feel that Perry
had more input than you've suggested!! What I am saying for certain is that, although Cain may have written, "OH" on paper, Perry
took that oh and added the heartfelt ohohohohohooooo's, which ripped our hearts out and made us weep!!

[Michigan Girl]

A good song is more than a good lyric and a good voice!!! Most of Journey's lyrics
were not the greatest anyway ...be real!! It was the emoting of the songs, the emoting of the instruments,
that made them the treasures they are!!

You're missing the main thing, though ... chemistry. You can take the greatest singer, drummer, keys player, guitarist and bassist, and the end result may very well be total garbage. You need chemistry and Journey had that with Perry. Who actually contributed what and how much really makes little difference, as it's all about the end product. Now we'll see if they have it with Arnel. For a rush job, Revelation was about as good as could be expected, but now we'll get an excuse-free project to really pick apart.

awww, you got me before I made my post more poetic ...

But this is probably one of my favorite SJ posts, EVER ...I think I may cry!!