Classic Rock votes Perry #1 AOR vocalist

[SherriBerry]

Besides, every other band in the world, bands with far worst hatred for each other, have done a reunion tour for the fans. Unfortunately, Journey has one key member who doesn't seem to care about them at all.

For the fans my ass! I know you're too smart to believe that. I can guarantee you that if Billy Sheehan was giving EM the finger in the press every time he turned around, that Deb and others wouldn't be making plans to catch a show in Cali. (I'm jealous, BTW) You don't kick someone in the teeth and then turn around and wonder why they're not coming back for more. Well, maybe you do...

No shit donna. For the fans? This band? LOL, there are but a few bands out there who would do a reunion tour for it's fans, and Journey sure as hell isn't one of them. Those guys work so hard for their fans, that they played and sang to a tape for not one, but TWO tours. They are all about their loyal fans I tell ya.

Believing that all of those band members reunited for the fans is a pretty optimistic assumption - many blew through what they earned and are doing it for money, not the fans. Or they love to perform and miss the attention, but unless they tour as part of the band that made them famous, no one would come and listen to them. Some of those "reunited bands" have to travel on separate buses and have their dressing rooms as far away from each other as possible - what a fun experience that must be. If David Lee Roth could fill a concert hall on a solo tour, do you really think he would have toured with Van Halen again?

Besides, why does Journey need to do a reunion tour when they are still touring? They have a lead singer and benching Arnel for a tour would kill all of the momentum they have built since 'Revelation'. I would take a second job just to pay for the trip to see Steve Perry perform live with Journey, but I doubt they will ever tour together. If anything, they might do a special performance for something like an induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but what is the probability of that happening?

[Jana]

Perry will never show his 61 year old singing voice in public live. I really believe that. To never sing for 15, 16 years live, and only one tour in 24 years live, he is too vain and has too much pride to sing live now with the deterioration of his voice evident and people not being used to seeing that over the years, like Bon Jovi and Elton John, where the deterioration has been gradual and the fans are used to it. There will never be a one off performance concert with Journey live EVER because of the reasons I stated, not because of some hatred for the band. I agree with Kevin Shirley. I still stand by the fact that if he puts out a solo album there will be no live performance concert. The most I can hope for is an album put out by him.

[S2M]

Perry will never show his 61 year old singing voice in public live. I really believe that. To never sing for 15, 16 years live, and only one tour in 24 years live, he is too vain and has too much pride to sing live now with the deterioration of his voice evident and people not being used to seeing that over the years, like Bon Jovi and Elton John, where the deterioration has been gradual and the fans are used to it. There will never be a one off performance concert with Journey live EVER because of the reasons I stated, not because of some hatred for the band. I agree with Kevin Shirley. I still stand by the fact that if he puts out a solo album there will be no live performance concert. The most I can hope for is an album put out by him.

a new album means LIVE in the studio - which is undoubtably the same as live in concert.the voice is the voice. in all it's deteriorating glory.....you are getting the same voice. Unless you are ok with the studio tricks that would be used. And then it isn't really SP's voice anyway, is it?......you confuse me U2pian.

[Saint John]

Perry will never show his 61 year old singing voice in public live. I really believe that. To never sing for 15, 16 years live, and only one tour in 24 years live, he is too vain and has too much pride to sing live now with the deterioration of his voice evident and people not being used to seeing that over the years, like Bon Jovi and Elton John, where the deterioration has been gradual and the fans are used to it. There will never be a one off performance concert with Journey live EVER because of the reasons I stated, not because of some hatred for the band. I agree with Kevin Shirley. I still stand by the fact that if he puts out a solo album there will be no live performance concert. The most I can hope for is an album put out by him.

a new album means LIVE in the studio - which is undoubtably the same as live in concert.the voice is the voice. in all it's deteriorating glory.....you are getting the same voice. Unless you are ok with the studio tricks that would be used. And then it isn't really SP's voice anyway, is it?......you confuse me U2pian.

The comforts of the studio allow infinite takes, pitch correction, "bending" notes, echo and other goodies that a live show doesn't. To get out on stage and sing, assuming you're singing live, removes virtually every safety net that the studio affords. I understand what you're saying, Sean, but let's use Steve Augeri as the example. Yeah, there were some solid vocal moments on Generations the album, but he could not pull that off live during Generations the tour. There are countless other artists/acts that sound fabulouso (new word ) on the album, but then can't replicate it live. I say if you can't sing it live and it's really not a true representation of what you can do live, why even bother?

[Red13JoePa]

No, YOU"RE wrong. Here is your exact quote:

If it was, he would do whatever he could to effect a reunion, and his mouth - even to this day - is what's keeping that from happening.

Had you changed it to, "whatever he could have done to "effect" a reunion" then "effect could have been used. As it stands in your quote, "affect" is the proper usage.

This, is correct:

If it was, he would do whatever he could to affect a reunion, and his mouth - even to this day - is what's keeping that from happening.

Nuh-Uh. He is affecting the reunion potential by his big mouth. But he could effect (bring about) a reunion if he chose to play nice. So

Exactly, DP. Clinton's speechwriter here has never grasped the other use for the word "effect" as a verb rather than the traditional noun form!

[donnaplease]

No, YOU"RE wrong. Here is your exact quote:

If it was, he would do whatever he could to effect a reunion, and his mouth - even to this day - is what's keeping that from happening.

Had you changed it to, "whatever he could have done to "effect" a reunion" then "effect could have been used. As it stands in your quote, "affect" is the proper usage.

This, is correct:

If it was, he would do whatever he could to affect a reunion, and his mouth - even to this day - is what's keeping that from happening.

Nuh-Uh. He is affecting the reunion potential by his big mouth. But he could effect (bring about) a reunion if he chose to play nice. So

Exactly, DP. Clinton's speechwriter here has never grasped the other use for the word "effect" as a verb rather than the traditional noun form!

But does he know what the meaning of the word "is" is...

[Rockindeano]

Oh lookie here...a brand new coalition consisting of RedJoe13 and Donnaplease. WTF? You two assmonkey's need to form an alliance to prove me wrong, yet you are still both wrong. Where's MG?

[Michigan Girl]

Oh lookie here...a brand new coalition consisting of RedJoe13 and Donnaplease. WTF? You two assmonkey's need to form an alliance to prove me wrong, yet you are still both wrong. Where's MG?

Yikes, Deano!!
You're not going to like what I have to say!! She's using it as a verb ...trying to effect a change , create...a reunion, in this case!!
But you were right about your shit!!


Do you like Grammar Girl?!?! She's hot and wears GLASSES?!?! :shock:

Rare Uses of Affect and Effect
So what about those rare meanings that don't follow the rules I just gave you? Well, affect can be used as a noun when you're talking about psychology--it means the mood that someone appears to have. For example, "She displayed a happy affect." Psychologists find it useful because they know that you can never really understand what someone else is feeling. You can only know how they appear to be feeling.
And, effect can be used as a verb that essentially means "to bring about," or "to accomplish." For example, you could say, "Aardvark hoped to effect change within the burrow."

http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/af ... ffect.aspx

[donnaplease]

Oh lookie here...a brand new coalition consisting of RedJoe13 and Donnaplease. WTF? You two assmonkey's need to form an alliance to prove me wrong, yet you are still both wrong. Where's MG?

Coalition? Hardly. Surely you're not use the 'gang mentality' argument about this, are ya? Oh, and BTW... it's "assmonkeys" - no apostrophe. If you don't believe me, just ask MG.

[S2M]

Oh lookie here...a brand new coalition consisting of RedJoe13 and Donnaplease. WTF? You two assmonkey's need to form an alliance to prove me wrong, yet you are still both wrong. Where's MG?

Coalition? Hardly. Surely you're not use the 'gang mentality' argument about this, are ya? Oh, and BTW... it's "assmonkeys" - no apostrophe. If you don't believe me, just ask MG.

Mob Mentality is my M.O.....don't be trying to steal my intellectual property...

[Michigan Girl]

Oh lookie here...a brand new coalition consisting of RedJoe13 and Donnaplease. WTF? You two assmonkey's need to form an alliance to prove me wrong, yet you are still both wrong. Where's MG?

Coalition? Hardly. Surely you're not use the 'gang mentality' argument about this, are ya? Oh, and BTW... it's "assmonkeys" - no apostrophe. If you don't believe me, just ask MG.

lol...I know and it's SJ that's anal about that stuff!!
I'm only anal about my own grammar!!
BTW~it's using!!! I'm starting to feel incredibly powerful ...like a teacher w/a red pen!!

[Red13JoePa]

Oh lookie here...a brand new coalition consisting of RedJoe13 and Donnaplease. WTF? You two assmonkey's need to form an alliance to prove me wrong, yet you are still both wrong. Where's MG?

Yikes, Deano!!
You're not going to like what I have to say!! She's using it as a verb ...trying to effect a change , create...a reunion, in this case!!
But you were right about your shit!!


Do you like Grammar Girl?!?! She's hot and wears GLASSES?!?! :shock:

Rare Uses of Affect and Effect
So what about those rare meanings that don't follow the rules I just gave you? Well, affect can be used as a noun when you're talking about psychology--it means the mood that someone appears to have. For example, "She displayed a happy affect." Psychologists find it useful because they know that you can never really understand what someone else is feeling. You can only know how they appear to be feeling.
And, effect can be used as a verb that essentially means "to bring about," or "to accomplish." For example, you could say, "Aardvark hoped to effect change within the burrow."

http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/af ... ffect.aspx

LOL! See, RockinDopeO?

[donnaplease]

Oh lookie here...a brand new coalition consisting of RedJoe13 and Donnaplease. WTF? You two assmonkey's need to form an alliance to prove me wrong, yet you are still both wrong. Where's MG?

Coalition? Hardly. Surely you're not use the 'gang mentality' argument about this, are ya? Oh, and BTW... it's "assmonkeys" - no apostrophe. If you don't believe me, just ask MG.

lol...I know and it's SJ that's anal about that stuff!!
I'm only anal about my own grammar!!
BTW~it's using!!! :shock: I'm starting to feel incredibly powerful ...like a teacher w/a red pen!!

AAAAHAHAHA!!! Too funny! I'm a goober. I think I changed my sentence but didn't correct that word. But you know, that red pen business is being outlawed in lots of school districts. Supposedly it makes the children feel less than adequate to have corrections pointed out to them. Barf.

[brywool]

Awesome!!!


Hermit Monthly voted him America's favorite recluse!

[lights1961]

Do you like Grammar Girl?!?! She's hot and wears GLASSES?!?!

LINE OF THE YEAR!! pretty damn funny LOL... all that is missing is the red ink!!

[steveo777]

Perry will never show his 61 year old singing voice in public live. I really believe that. To never sing for 15, 16 years live, and only one tour in 24 years live, he is too vain and has too much pride to sing live now with the deterioration of his voice evident and people not being used to seeing that over the years, like Bon Jovi and Elton John, where the deterioration has been gradual and the fans are used to it. There will never be a one off performance concert with Journey live EVER because of the reasons I stated, not because of some hatred for the band. I agree with Kevin Shirley. I still stand by the fact that if he puts out a solo album there will be no live performance concert. The most I can hope for is an album put out by him.

Look at you go! Ouch...but so true!! People need to pull their head out of their asses and understand this. SP with Journey was great while it lasted. Some things will never be again and this is one of those things. Pineda brings the band the ability to provide the "Journey sound", nothing more, nothing less. That is what he gets paid to do. I'm ok with that.

[Author2]

Awesome!!!


Hermit Monthly voted him America's favorite recluse!

Great choice if you are around!!

[donnaplease]

Look at you go! Ouch...but so true!! People need to pull their head out of their asses and understand this. SP with Journey was great while it lasted. Some things will never be again and this is one of those things. Pineda brings the band the ability to provide the "Journey sound", nothing more, nothing less. That is what he gets paid to do. I'm ok with that.

And what exactly is the "journey sound"...? The ability to emulate STEVE MF PERRY! The other factors are still intact (Jon and Neal), so they otherwise wouldn't need to call it the "journey sound" because it is what it is. Obviously without that they feel they are unable to entertain the masses. I don't necessarily agree, as I was excited about the potential for what JSS could add to the band. Steve Augeri, Jeremey (who was offered then retracted), and now Arnel have the ability to at least come close to what SP provided. Nothing more, Nothing less.

[Saint John]

And what exactly is the "journey sound"...? The ability to emulate STEVE MF PERRY!

Total bullshit. Neal and Jon create music that requires a soaring tenor. When Steve Perry lost the ability to soar, he took his efforts elsewhere and created the very forgettable FTLOSM and, even when he came back briefly, was on the very lifeless TBF. They were still able to create the music, but they now had a bird that couldn't fly. The "Journey sound" is the combination of the music and those soaring vocals.

The other factors are still intact (Jon and Neal), so they otherwise wouldn't need to call it the "journey sound" because it is what it is.

Like I said above, it's the combination of the music and the vocals. Perry in 1996, Augeri throughout his time and Soto during his relief stint all had one thing in common ... the inability to soar. That problem has now been remedied and the world has taken notice.

[NoMoreTails]

Look at you go! Ouch...but so true!! People need to pull their head out of their asses and understand this. SP with Journey was great while it lasted. Some things will never be again and this is one of those things. Pineda brings the band the ability to provide the "Journey sound", nothing more, nothing less. That is what he gets paid to do. I'm ok with that.

And what exactly is the "journey sound"...? The ability to emulate STEVE MF PERRY!

This is to be expected from those who are Perry fans rather than Journey fans.

[Michigan Girl]

Look at you go! Ouch...but so true!! People need to pull their head out of their asses and understand this. SP with Journey was great while it lasted. Some things will never be again and this is one of those things. Pineda brings the band the ability to provide the "Journey sound", nothing more, nothing less. That is what he gets paid to do. I'm ok with that.

And what exactly is the "journey sound"...? The ability to emulate STEVE MF PERRY!

This is to be expected from those who are Perry fans rather than Journey fans.

^^^^is to be expected from someone who cannot come up w/a feasible response!!

[NoMoreTails]

Look at you go! Ouch...but so true!! People need to pull their head out of their asses and understand this. SP with Journey was great while it lasted. Some things will never be again and this is one of those things. Pineda brings the band the ability to provide the "Journey sound", nothing more, nothing less. That is what he gets paid to do. I'm ok with that.

And what exactly is the "journey sound"...? The ability to emulate STEVE MF PERRY!

This is to be expected from those who are Perry fans rather than Journey fans.

^^^^is to be expected from someone who cannot come up w/a feasible response!!

LOL, well my first thought was "bullshit" but SJ had already responded with that. I would say the Journey sound is the musical combination of NS & JC. Any really good tenor could bring enough to that mix to make it work.

[Red13JoePa]

Look at you go! Ouch...but so true!! People need to pull their head out of their asses and understand this. SP with Journey was great while it lasted. Some things will never be again and this is one of those things. Pineda brings the band the ability to provide the "Journey sound", nothing more, nothing less. That is what he gets paid to do. I'm ok with that.

And what exactly is the "journey sound"...? The ability to emulate STEVE MF PERRY!

This is to be expected from those who are Perry fans rather than Journey fans.

^^^^is to be expected from someone who cannot come up w/a feasible response!!

It couldn’t BE any more feasible an answer, it’s just simple.
I wish I still had a copy of Frank’s Manifesto, lamenting and lambasting the “fans” of the band that are in actuality fans of a PARTICULAR singer ONLY, to the point of near rapture, and clouding of all opinions on other members, rather than the band because that’s what the gentleman is referring to with the above remark.

Not that I don;t still love you and Donna!

[Michigan Girl]

And what exactly is the "journey sound"...? The ability to emulate STEVE MF PERRY!

This is to be expected from those who are Perry fans rather than Journey fans.

^^^^is to be expected from someone who cannot come up w/a feasible response!!

It couldn’t BE any more feasible an answer, it’s just simple.
I wish I still had a copy of Frank’s Manifesto, lamenting and lambasting the “fans” of the band that are in actuality fans of a PARTICULAR singer ONLY, to the point of near rapture, and clouding of all opinions on other members, rather than the band because that’s what the gentleman is referring to with the above remark.
Not that I don;t still love you and Donna!

REALLY?!? ...because his response ...

LOL, well my first thought was "bullshit" but SJ had already responded with that. I would say the Journey sound is the musical combination of NS & JC. Any really good tenor could bring enough to that mix to make it work.

is indicative of Donna's exact sentiment!! The Journey sound is, in fact, a replica of a Steve Perry
fronted band ...but nice try!!

REPLICA
1.A copy or reproduction of a work of art, especially one made by the original artist.
2.A copy or reproduction, especially one on a scale smaller than the original.

[Saint John]

The Journey sound is, in fact, a replica of a Steve Perry
fronted band ...but nice try!!

The "Steve Perry fronted band" was Journey and that sound hasn't changed. They (not Perry) made that music! They don't have to change their musical identity and become totally different artists in terms of design and creativity because the singer left. He did that because he thought he was Journey ... and it flopped. But you're acting as though their music was inspired by his voice, and that is not a fact. If anything, Perry was incredibly talented at singing into the music. And that makes him excellent at he does, Neal and Jon excellent at what they do, and the 3 of them as a unit, much greater than the sum of the parts. And I respectively submit Faithfully, Open Arms, and the unfinished songs With A Tear and Into Your Arms into evidence to bolster my assertions.

"100 people surveyed (intelligent Journey fans ... i.e.: no Loons), top answer on the board ... Is Michigan Girl correct in her assertion that "The Journey sound is, in fact, a replica of a Steve Perry fronted band"?

Survey says ... X

[NoMoreTails]

quote]REALLY?!? ...because his response ...

LOL, well my first thought was "bullshit" but SJ had already responded with that. I would say the Journey sound is the musical combination of NS & JC. Any really good tenor could bring enough to that mix to make it work.

is indicative of Donna's exact sentiment!! The Journey sound is, in fact, a replica of a Steve Perry
fronted band ...but nice try!! .

Where are you getting this crap? Donna said it was the emulating of Perry. I don't even mention Perry, lol..... Perry never played an instrument on a Journey recording as far as we know. Do you understand that I'm talking musically as in instrumentation? Even their instrumentals/seques, etc sound like Journey, as SJ has pointed out.

[Michigan Girl]

The Journey sound is, in fact, a replica of a Steve Perry
fronted band ...but nice try!!

The "Steve Perry fronted band" was Journey and that sound hasn't changed. They (not Perry) made that music! They don't have to change their musical identity and become totally different artists in terms of design and creativity because the singer left. He did that because he thought he was Journey ... and it flopped. But you're acting as though their music was inspired by his voice, and that is not a fact. If anything, Perry was incredibly talented at singing into the music. And that makes him excellent at he does, Neal and Jon excellent at what they do, and the 3 of them as a unit, much greater than the sum of the parts. And I respectively submit Faithfully, Open Arms, and the unfinished songs With A Tear and Into Your Arms into evidence to bolster my assertions.

"100 people surveyed (intelligent Journey fans ... i.e.: no Loons), top answer on the board ... Is Michigan Girl correct in her assertion that "The Journey sound is, in fact, a replica of a Steve Perry fronted band"?

Survey says ... X

Where were THEY before Steve Perry?!?!
What was the Journey sound before SP?!? Are they striving
to reach the pre-Perry era sound?!?!
Not saying it was SP alone, SJ, the above bolded has
already been established numerous times ...but they are,
in fact, trying to replicate the most successful era of the Journey
It doesn't take a survey or even an idiot to figure that out!!

oops...forgot to bold!!

[Michigan Girl]

quote]REALLY?!? ...because his response ...

LOL, well my first thought was "bullshit" but SJ had already responded with that. I would say the Journey sound is the musical combination of NS & JC. Any really good tenor could bring enough to that mix to make it work.

is indicative of Donna's exact sentiment!! The Journey sound is, in fact, a replica of a Steve Perry
fronted band ...but nice try!! .

Where are you getting this crap? Donna said it was the emulating of Perry. I don't even mention Perry, lol..... Perry never played an instrument on a Journey recording as far as we know. Do you understand that I'm talking musically as in instrumentation? Even their instrumentals/seques, etc sound like Journey, as SJ has pointed out.

WTF are you talking about, instruments?!?! ...Perry's voice was his instrument, you said, "musical combination
of NS&JC and a really good Tenor." ...can you not read your own posts?!?! Do you suffer w/short term memory loss?!?

[Michigan Girl]

Let's all try to remember, the initial question was
"What is the JOURNEY sound?!?!" What is that sound?!?!
Stupido777 said they found it, in AP ...wtf is it?!?

[NoMoreTails]

quote]REALLY?!? ...because his response ...

LOL, well my first thought was "bullshit" but SJ had already responded with that. I would say the Journey sound is the musical combination of NS & JC. Any really good tenor could bring enough to that mix to make it work.

is indicative of Donna's exact sentiment!! The Journey sound is, in fact, a replica of a Steve Perry
fronted band ...but nice try!! .

Where are you getting this crap? Donna said it was the emulating of Perry. I don't even mention Perry, lol..... Perry never played an instrument on a Journey recording as far as we know. Do you understand that I'm talking musically as in instrumentation? Even their instrumentals/seques, etc sound like Journey, as SJ has pointed out.

WTF are you talking about, instruments?!?! ...Perry's voice was his instrument, you said, "musical combination
of NS&JC and a really good Tenor." ...can you not read your own posts?!?! Do you suffer w/short term memory loss?!?

WTF is going on with your quotations?
This is what I said:
" I would say the Journey sound is the musical combination of NS & JC. <<<see the period at ends that specific thought?
"Any really good tenor could bring enough to that mix to make it work."

So Perry was just a really good tenor, nothing special? lol I have also said they sound like Journey with no vocals at all. They even sounded like Journey when they didn't have a tenor, when JSS was singing.

I feel like I'm wasting my time with one of those loons from the old days here, trying to explain the difference between instrumention and vocals. Maybe Perry had to show them what to play on guitar, keys, drums, and bass before they recorded anything.