Which current act compares to the magic of Perry 81/83

[Michigan Girl]

We're not talking nostalgia, we're talking magic/talent/take your breath away!!
Yeah, you had to be there, cause you ain't got nothin' ...

Amazing talent there for sure, but as I said, there is plenty out there for me. As for taking my breath away, must be a women thing. I have most of Journeys classic live performances, good enough for me.

The question is what current acts compare to the magic of Perry 81/83, not 1960/70.
I would go one step further and guess that if you have one ...or more, perhaps you can lay it on us!!

I didn't know this thread would be about sales and selling out stadiums, something I care very little about, so I can't comment on that. Forgive me MG. As far as the "magic" goes, I must be misinterpreting what that means, as I didn't know there was an official definition for the term in relation to music. If I'm going to be objective, then yes, I think there are, indeed, plenty of bands that can match or surpass the musicianship of Journey live and in the studio. Being someone that cares far more about music than vocals, they all give me that same feeling of "magic" each time I listen to them.

If this thread is indeed about sales and stadiums then, I will say the typical U2, Jovi, Springsteen. etc etc.

LOL ...I don't think it is, LZ ...
it certainly became that, though didn't it!!

[Rockindeano]

Listen, man, Springsteen was and still is, wildly popular, but he had nothing on a live Journey show in the early 80's. Journey offered up the world's greatest vocalist, and arguably rock's best drummer and guitarist. Collectively, Journey dwarfed him and his band in talent, vocals and the concert experience. They invented state of the art lighting, massive big screens and many other facets of concerts. They revolutionized the live concert experience.

This is where you lose points in your argument. Dude, do some research. Springsteen did stadium tours, not one offs. He had the biggest baddest stage in the business. Oh and by the way, you want to talk talent between these two bands? I wouldn't go there if I were you. As for your drummer, ok...however, Neal Schon is not a better guitar player than Nils Lofgren, no way...and in addition to that, there are two more guitarists in E Street to give it a full wall of sound. You couldn't be more far off in your "Journey dwarfed E Street" smack..LOL, it just isn't true. Also, with Bruce, you get quality songwriting, songs which meant something. Oh and lastly, you don't have Clarence on your team, we do. Game over.

When you play 5-6 hours a night, and it's all live and from the gut, Journey even with Perry, had no chance.

This is just personal preference, but whether it's 5 hours or 5 days is completely irrelevant. Listening to guy that has the range of a puddle can never end soon enough. Granted, vocal genius isn't all about range and octaves, but there is nothing that Springsteen could ever do better than Perry, other than do it longer. It's a simple mater of taste. Would you rather a fuck an ugly pig for 5 hours or a hot broad for just 2?

Again, your close mindness blinds you here. If you compare Perry to Springsteen, it is very clear who the better frontman is. Bruce is the best fucking frontman in music today, and like I said, he "invented" the concert experience.

[Michigan Girl]

Would you rather a fuck an ugly pig for 5 hours or a hot broad for just 2?

LingMAO ...
hot broad

[Jana]

Listen, man, Springsteen was and still is, wildly popular, but he had nothing on a live Journey show in the early 80's. Journey offered up the world's greatest vocalist, and arguably rock's best drummer and guitarist. Collectively, Journey dwarfed him and his band in talent, vocals and the concert experience. They invented state of the art lighting, massive big screens and many other facets of concerts. They revolutionized the live concert experience.

This is where you lose points in your argument. Dude, do some research. Springsteen did stadium tours, not one offs. He had the biggest baddest stage in the business. Oh and by the way, you want to talk talent between these two bands? I wouldn't go there if I were you. As for your drummer, ok...however, Neal Schon is not a better guitar player than Nils Lofgren, no way...and in addition to that, there are two more guitarists in E Street to give it a full wall of sound. You couldn't be more far off in your "Journey dwarfed E Street" smack..LOL, it just isn't true. Also, with Bruce, you get quality songwriting, songs which meant something. Oh and lastly, you don't have Clarence on your team, we do. Game over.

When you play 5-6 hours a night, and it's all live and from the gut, Journey even with Perry, had no chance.

This is just personal preference, but whether it's 5 hours or 5 days is completely irrelevant. Listening to guy that has the range of a puddle can never end soon enough. Granted, vocal genius isn't all about range and octaves, but there is nothing that Springsteen could ever do better than Perry, other than do it longer. It's a simple mater of taste. Would you rather a fuck an ugly pig for 5 hours or a hot broad for just 2?

Again, your close mindness blinds you here. If you compare Perry to Springsteen, it is very clear who the better frontman is. Bruce is the best fucking frontman in music today, and like I said, he "invented" the concert experience.

I say Bono is the greatest consistent frontman of all time.
This song gives me chills. Bono performing it as his alter ego Macphisto:
Love is Blindness Live - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8oy0nR1 ... re=related

[Rockindeano]

Listen, man, Springsteen was and still is, wildly popular, but he had nothing on a live Journey show in the early 80's. Journey offered up the world's greatest vocalist, and arguably rock's best drummer and guitarist. Collectively, Journey dwarfed him and his band in talent, vocals and the concert experience. They invented state of the art lighting, massive big screens and many other facets of concerts. They revolutionized the live concert experience.

This is where you lose points in your argument. Dude, do some research. Springsteen did stadium tours, not one offs. He had the biggest baddest stage in the business. Oh and by the way, you want to talk talent between these two bands? I wouldn't go there if I were you. As for your drummer, ok...however, Neal Schon is not a better guitar player than Nils Lofgren, no way...and in addition to that, there are two more guitarists in E Street to give it a full wall of sound. You couldn't be more far off in your "Journey dwarfed E Street" smack..LOL, it just isn't true. Also, with Bruce, you get quality songwriting, songs which meant something. Oh and lastly, you don't have Clarence on your team, we do. Game over.

When you play 5-6 hours a night, and it's all live and from the gut, Journey even with Perry, had no chance.

This is just personal preference, but whether it's 5 hours or 5 days is completely irrelevant. Listening to guy that has the range of a puddle can never end soon enough. Granted, vocal genius isn't all about range and octaves, but there is nothing that Springsteen could ever do better than Perry, other than do it longer. It's a simple mater of taste. Would you rather a fuck an ugly pig for 5 hours or a hot broad for just 2?

Again, your close mindness blinds you here. If you compare Perry to Springsteen, it is very clear who the better frontman is. Bruce is the best fucking frontman in music today, and like I said, he "invented" the concert experience.

I say Bono is the greatest consistent frontman of all time.

Not even close. I saw them both, and it was like night and day, besides, Bono is on record as saying Bruce is the greatest he has ever seen.

[Michigan Girl]

Again, your close mindness blinds you here. If you compare Perry to Springsteen, it is very clear who the better frontman is. Bruce is the best fucking frontman in music today, and like I said, he "invented" the concert experience.

I love Bruce, I love Bon Jovi ...can't say that for u2, just do not like them ...but no way any of the above enthrall an audience the way Perry did!!
ENTHRALL!!
Fun shows, singing, dancing, filling stadiums, yes ...ENTHRALL ...NO!!!

[Saint John]

Springsteen did stadium tours

Really?

Bruce Springsteen
Born in the USA Tour
1984 North American Tour Dates


29 June Civic Center, St. Paul, MN

01 July Civic Center, St. Paul, MN
02 July Civic Center, St. Paul, MN
05 July Riverfront Coliseum, Cincinnati, OH
06 July Riverfront Coliseum, Cincinnati, OH
08 July Richfield Coliseum, Cleveland,OH
09 July Richfield Coliseum, Cleveland,OH
12 July Alpine Valley Music Theatre, East Tray, WI
13 July Alpine Valley Music Theatre, East Tray, WI
15 July Rosemont Horizon, Chicago, IL
17 July Rosemont Horizon, Chicago, IL
18 July Rosemont Horizon, Chicago, IL
21 July The Forum, Montreal, Quebec
23 July CNE Grandstand, Toronto, Ontario
24 July CNE Grandstand, Toronto, Ontario
26 July CNE Grandstand, Toronto, Ontario
27 July Performing Arts Center, Saratoga Springs, NY
30 July Joe Louis Arena, Detroit, MI
31 July Joe Louis Arena, Detroit, MI

05 August Brendan Byrne Arena, East Rutherford, NJ
06 August Brendan Byrne Arena, East Rutherford, NJ
08 August Brendan Byrne Arena, East Rutherford, NJ
09 August Brendan Byrne Arena, East Rutherford, NJ
11 August Brendan Byrne Arena, East Rutherford, NJ
12 August Brendan Byrne Arena, East Rutherford, NJ
16 August Brendan Byrne Arena, East Rutherford, NJ
17 August Brendan Byrne Arena, East Rutherford, NJ
19 August Brendan Byrne Arena, East Rutherford, NJ
20 August Brendan Byrne Arena, East Rutherford, NJ
25 August Capital Center, Largo, MD
26 August Capital Center, Largo, MD
28 August Capital Center, Largo, MD
29 August Capital Center, Largo, MD

04 September Worchester Centrum, Worcester, MA
05 September Worchester Centrum, Worcester, MA
07 September Civic Center, Hartford, CT
08 September Civic Center, Hartford, CT
11 September The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA
12 September The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA
14 September The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA
15 September The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA
17 September The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA
18 September The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA
21 September Civic Arena, Pittsburgh, PA
22 September Civic Arena, Pittsburgh, PA
24 September War Memorial Auditorium, Buffalo, NY
25 September War Memorial Auditorium, Buffalo, NY

15 October Pacific Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada
17 October Tacoma Dome, Tacoma, WA
19 October Tacoma Dome, Tacoma, WA
21 October Oakland Coliseum Oakland, CA
22 October Oakland Coliseum Oakland, CA
25 October LA Sports Arena, Los Angeles, CA
26 October LA Sports Arena, Los Angeles, CA
28 October LA Sports Arena, Los Angeles, CA
29 October LA Sports Arena, Los Angeles, CA
31 October LA Sports Arena, Los Angeles, CA

02 November LA Sports Arena, Los Angeles, CA
04 November LA Sports Arena, Los Angeles, CA
08 November Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
11 November McNicholls Arena, Denver, CO
12 November McNicholls Arena, Denver, CO
15 November St. Louis Arena, St. Louis, MO
16 November Iowa State University, Ames, IA
18 November University of Nebraska, Lincoln, NE
19 November Kemper Arena, Kansas City, MO
23 November Erwin Special Events Center, Austin, TX
25 November Reunion Arena, Dallas, TX
26 November Reunion Arena, Dallas, TX
29 November The Summit, Houston, TX
30 November The Summit, Houston, TX

02 December Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge, LA
06 December Jefferson Civic Center, Birmingham, AL
07 December The Sportatorium, Tallahassee, FL
09 December James T. Murphy Center, Murfreesboro, TN
11 December Rupp Arena, Lexington, KY
13 December Mid-South Coliseum, Memphis, TN
14 December Mid-South Coliseum, Memphis, TN
16 December The Omni, Atlanta, GA
17 December The Omni, Atlanta, GA

He had the biggest baddest stage in the business.

Yet it doesn't come close in comparison to the lighting technology used by Journey at the beginning of the decade or the visuals they used at the end of the decade.

Neal Schon is not a better guitar player than Nils Lofgren

That cat is from Chicago and no one knows or gives a fuck about him. He's average ... at best!

Also, with Bruce, you get quality songwriting, songs which meant something.

Yeah ... perpetual whining about how tough things are for the average Joe.

If you compare Perry to Springsteen, it is very clear who the better frontman is.

They're both colossal jackoffs. I would just rather see the jackoff that was able to sing better than anyone ever could. I don't see anything appealing about "Bruce" and his bullshit denim costume. The guy has made a tremendous living out of taking barely educated union assholes and making them actually believes that he can relate to them. I have to admit, his ability to bamboozle idiots is quite genius!

[Rockindeano]

LOL, you can't sneak that tour by me dude. Why don't you post the ENTIRE tour, which included stadiums?

Here is the ENTIRE tour. You only posted a quarter of it, LOL.

June 29 St. Paul, Minnesota United States Civic Center
July 1 St. Paul, Minnesota United States Civic Center
July 2 St. Paul, Minnesota United States Civic Center
July 5 Cincinnati, Ohio United States Riverfront Coliseum
July 6 Cincinnati, Ohio United States Riverfront Coliseum
July 8 Cleveland, Ohio United States Richfield Coliseum
July 9 Cleveland, Ohio United States Richfield Coliseum
July 12 East Troy, Wisconsin United States Alpine Valley Music Theater
July 13 East Troy, Wisconsin United States Alpine Valley Music Theater
July 15 Rosemont, Illinois United States Rosemont Horizon
July 17 Rosemont, Illinois United States Rosemont Horizon
July 18 Rosemont, Illinois United States Rosemont Horizon
July 21 Montreal, Quebec Canada Forum
July 23 Toronto, Ontario Canada CNE Grandstand
July 24 Toronto, Ontario Canada CNE Grandstand
July 26 Toronto, Ontario Canada CNE Grandstand
July 27 Saratoga Springs, New York United States Saratoga Performing Arts Center
July 30 Detroit, Michigan United States Joe Louis Arena
July 31 Detroit, Michigan United States Joe Louis Arena
August 5 East Rutherford, New Jersey United States Brendan Byrne Arena
August 6 East Rutherford, New Jersey United States Brendan Byrne Arena
August 8 East Rutherford, New Jersey United States Brendan Byrne Arena
August 9 East Rutherford, New Jersey United States Brendan Byrne Arena
August 11 East Rutherford, New Jersey United States Brendan Byrne Arena
August 12 East Rutherford, New Jersey United States Brendan Byrne Arena
August 16 East Rutherford, New Jersey United States Brendan Byrne Arena
August 17 East Rutherford, New Jersey United States Brendan Byrne Arena
August 19 East Rutherford, New Jersey United States Brendan Byrne Arena
August 20 East Rutherford, New Jersey United States Brendan Byrne Arena
August 25 Largo, Maryland United States Capital Center
August 26 Largo, Maryland United States Capital Center
August 28 Largo, Maryland United States Capital Center
August 29 Largo, Maryland United States Capital Center
September 4 Worcester, Massachusetts United States Worcester Centrum
September 5 Worcester, Massachusetts United States Worcester Centrum
September 7 Hartford, Connecticut United States Civic Center
September 8 Hartford, Connecticut United States Civic Center
September 11 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania United States The Spectrum
September 12 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania United States The Spectrum
September 14 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania United States The Spectrum
September 15 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania United States The Spectrum
September 17 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania United States The Spectrum
September 18 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania United States The Spectrum
September 21 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania United States Civic Arena
September 22 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania United States Civic Arena
September 24 Buffalo, New York United States Buffalo Memorial Auditorium
September 25 Buffalo, New York United States Buffalo Memorial Auditorium
October 15 Vancouver, British Columbia Canada Pacific Coliseum
October 17 Tacoma, Washington United States Tacoma Dome
October 19 Tacoma, Washington United States Tacoma Dome
October 21 Oakland, California United States Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum
October 22 Oakland, California United States Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum
October 25 Los Angeles, California United States Sports Arena
October 26 Los Angeles, California United States Sports Arena
October 28 Los Angeles, California United States Sports Arena
October 29 Los Angeles, California United States Sports Arena
October 31 Los Angeles, California United States Sports Arena
November 2 Los Angeles, California United States Sports Arena
November 4 Los Angeles, California United States Sports Arena
November 8 Tempe, Arizona United States Arizona State University
November 11 Denver, Colorado United States McNichols Sports Arena
November 12 Denver, Colorado United States McNichols Sports Arena
November 15 St. Louis, Missouri United States St. Louis Arena
November 16 Ames, Iowa United States Hilton Coliseum
November 18 Lincoln, Nebraska United States Bob Devaney Sports Center
November 19 Kansas City, Missouri United States Kemper Arena
November 23 Austin, Texas United States Frank Erwin Center
November 25 Dallas, Texas United States Reunion Arena
November 26 Dallas, Texas United States Reunion Arena
November 29 Houston, Texas United States The Summit
November 30 Houston, Texas United States The Summit
December 2 Baton Rouge, Louisiana United States Maravich Assembly Center
December 6 Birmingham, Alabama United States Birmingham-Jefferson Convention Center
December 7 Tallahassee, Florida United States Leon County Civic Center
December 9 Murfreesboro, Tennessee United States Murphy Center
December 11 Lexington, Kentucky United States Rupp Arena
December 13 Memphis, Tennessee United States Mid-South Coliseum
December 14 Memphis, Tennessee United States Mid-South Coliseum
December 16 Atlanta, Georgia United States The Omni
December 17 Atlanta, Georgia United States The Omni
January 4 Hampton, Virginia United States Coliseum
January 5 Hampton, Virginia United States Coliseum
January 7 Indianapolis, Indiana United States Market Square Arena
January 8 Indianapolis, Indiana United States Market Square Arena
January 10 Louisville, Kentucky United States Freedom Hall
January 13 Columbia, South Carolina United States Carolina Coliseum
January 15 Charlotte, North Carolina United States Charlotte Coliseum
January 16 Charlotte, North Carolina United States Charlotte Coliseum
January 18 Greensboro, North Carolina United States Coliseum
January 19 Greensboro, North Carolina United States Coliseum
January 23 Providence, Rhode Island United States Civic Center
January 24 Providence, Rhode Island United States Civic Center
January 26 Syracuse, New York United States Carrier Dome
January 27 Syracuse, New York United States Carrier Dome

Second leg: Asia/Australia 1985
Asia/Australia
Date City Country Venue
March 21 Sydney Australia Sydney Entertainment Centre
March 23 Sydney Australia Sydney Entertainment Centre
March 24 Sydney Australia Sydney Entertainment Centre
March 27 Sydney Australia Sydney Entertainment Centre
March 28 Sydney Australia Sydney Entertainment Centre
March 31 Brisbane Australia Queen Elizabeth II Stadium
April 3 Melbourne Australia Royal Melbourne Showgrounds
April 4 Melbourne Australia Royal Melbourne Showgrounds
April 10 Tokyo Japan Yoyogi National Gymnasium
April 11 Tokyo Japan Yoyogi National Gymnasium
April 13 Tokyo Japan Yoyogi National Gymnasium
April 15 Tokyo Japan Yoyogi National Gymnasium
April 16 Tokyo Japan Yoyogi National Gymnasium
April 19 Kyoto Japan Kyoto Furitsu Taiikukan
April 22 Osaka Japan Osaka-jo Hall
April 23 Osaka Japan Osaka-jo Hall

Third leg: Europe 1985 (From here on out it was STADIUMS)
Europe
Date City Country Venue
June 1 Dublin Ireland Slane Castle
June 4 Newcastle United Kingdom St. James' Park
June 5 Newcastle United Kingdom St. James' Park
June 8 Gothenburg Sweden Ullevi Stadium
June 9 Gothenburg Sweden Ullevi Stadium
June 12 Rotterdam Netherlands Feijenoord Stadium
June 13 Rotterdam Netherlands Feijenoord Stadium
June 15 Frankfurt West Germany Waldstadion
June 18 Munich West Germany Olympiastadion
June 21 Milan Italy San Siro
June 23 Montpellier France Stade Richter
June 25 St. Etienne France Stade Geoffroy-Guichard
June 29 Paris France Parc de La Courneuve
June 30 Paris France Parc de La Courneuve
July 3 London United Kingdom Wembley Stadium
July 4 London United Kingdom Wembley Stadium
July 6 London United Kingdom Wembley Stadium
July 7 Leeds United Kingdom Roundhay Park

Fourth leg: North America 1985
North America
Date City Country Venue
August 5 Washington D.C United States Robert F. Kennedy Stadium
August 7 Cleveland, Ohio United States Cleveland Municipal Stadium
August 9 Chicago, Illinois United States Soldier Field
August 11 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania United States Three Rivers Stadium
August 14 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania United States Veterans Stadium
August 15 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania United States Veterans Stadium
August 18 East Rutherford, New Jersey United States Giants Stadium
August 19 East Rutherford, New Jersey United States Giants Stadium
August 21 East Rutherford, New Jersey United States Giants Stadium
August 22 East Rutherford, New Jersey United States Giants Stadium
August 26 Toronto, Ontario Canada Exhibition Stadium
August 27 Toronto, Ontario Canada Exhibition Stadium
August 31 East Rutherford, New Jersey United States Giants Stadium
September 1 East Rutherford, New Jersey United States Giants Stadium
September 4 Pontiac, Michigan United States Pontiac Silverdome
September 6 Indianapolis, Indiana United States Hoosier Dome
September 9 Miami, Florida United States Orange Bowl Stadium
September 10 Miami, Florida United States Orange Bowl Stadium
September 13 Dallas, Texas United States Cotton Bowl Stadium
September 14 Dallas, Texas United States Cotton Bowl Stadium
September 18 Oakland, California United States Oakland-Alameda Coliseum
September 19 Oakland, California United States Oakland-Alameda Coliseum
September 23 Denver, Colorado United States Mile High Stadium
September 24 Denver, Colorado United States Mile High Stadium
September 27 Los Angeles, California United States Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum
September 29 Los Angeles, California United States Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum
September 30 Los Angeles, California United States Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum
October 2 Los Angeles, California United States Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum


I think it's pretty obvious even to Journey diehards, that this tour DWARFS BOTH Escape and Frontiers COMBINED. In fact, Don can help me here, this might be the biggest tour ever put on by any artist.

And as for lighting, who gives a shit? Bruce doesn't need lighting, never has and never will. If you want lighting, go to a KISS show or go see TSO for that matter.

This is a beatdown of huge proportions.

GAME OVER. I have to admit, delivering this bomb felt good.

[Jana]

It's all subjective. There's quite a few groups in the top tier over the years, and everybody is moved differently by different musicians, bands, singers. And at a certain age, let's face it, teens, young women were physically attracted to certain of the singers/musicians in high school, early twenties, which even added to their experience. To say one group moved people more is just subjective. Go to a Depeche Mode concert and it is a massive audience so deeply involved in the experience and they have fans of all ages while in their third decade, definitely not just for baby boomers. Rolling Stones, Springsteen U2, Bon Jovi, they don't pull in stadium tours for nothing. The audience is moved by the music and by the showmanship.

As far as any acts now that can compare to my favorites like Journey early '80s, to me, no, but I guarantee you most all the early twenty somethings are saying differently as far as present acts.

[Saint John]

LOL, you can't sneak that tour by me dude. Why don't you post the ENTIRE tour, which included stadiums?

Here is the ENTIRE tour. You only posted a quarter of it, LOL.

You called it a "stadium tour" and it wasn't. If less than half of the tour is done in stadiums (more like a third) then it cannot be labeled as such. Partial stadium tour would have been much more accurate. But being accurate has never been one of your strong suits.

I think it's pretty obvious even to Journey diehards, that this tour DWARFS BOTH Escape and Frontiers COMBINED. In fact, Don can help me here, this might be the biggest tour ever put on by any artist.

That's a very good possibility, but I would bet that the money per show made was not close either. Herbie had turned Journey into a corporation and they controlled everything at a show. They were taking 65-70% of everything at a concert. Ticket sales, t-shirts and owning all of their own trucks and gear saved them a mint. No one, then or now (that I know of), has since approached that 70% profit margin. Bruce may have grossed more, but I'm willing to bet the net profit was similar, only Journey did it in half the shows.

This is a beatdown of huge proportions.

Keep telling yourself that.

[Michigan Girl]

It's all subjective. There's quite a few groups in the top tier over the years, and everybody is moved differently by different musicians, bands, singers. And at a certain age, let's face it, teens, young women were physically attracted to certain of the singers/musicians in high school, early twenties, which even added to their experience. To say one group moved people more is just subjective. Go to a Depeche Mode concert and it is a massive audience so deeply involved in the experience and they have fans of all ages while in their third decade, definitely not just for baby boomers. Rolling Stones, Springsteen U2, Bon Jovi, they don't pull in stadium tours for nothing. The audience is moved by the music and by the showmanship.

As far as any acts now that can compare to my favorites like Journey early '89s, to me, no, but I guarantee you all the early twenty somethings are saying differently as far as present acts.

I'll bet they are and they couldn't be more incorrect about most of them ...even you know that!!
Music is subjective, but talent is not!!

[Rockindeano]

I think it's pretty obvious even to Journey diehards, that this tour DWARFS BOTH Escape and Frontiers COMBINED. In fact, Don can help me here, this might be the biggest tour ever put on by any artist.

That's a very good possibility, but I would bet that the money per show made was not close either. Herbie had turned Journey into a corporation and they controlled everything at a show. They were taking 65-70% of everything at a concert. Ticket sales, t-shirts and owning all of their own trucks and gear saved them a mint. No one, then or now (that I know of), has since approached that 70% profit margin. Bruce may have grossed more, but I'm willing to bet the net profit was similar.

I don't know what Bruce grossed nor do I really care. I DO know he kept tickets priced low as to give the most people a chance to come to the shows. I thought Herbie was a damned fine manager, but after seeing Jon Landau's act the last 10 years, I don't see how Herbert can be seen as doing more for his band. Landau consistently books the biggest and best tours, sells 100 times more clothing and souvenirs than Journey, REO and the Eagles COMBINED, and promotes his artist. Oh and get this, Landau only has ONE client. And yes, Thrill Hill Productions own all their own equipment ranging from stages to trucks/buses, to two private jets. They use two jets for each show. Bruce flies in one and Patti(wife) the other, so in case they go down, the kids will have at least one parent remaining.

By the way, I would disagree with you vehemently on your 70% take home profit smack. I don't know for sure, but that appears to be twice as much as ever grossed by anyone. I will do some research, or I may just PM Gunbot...the easy way out.


PS- How the fuck you expect the man to play stadiums all year long? You want Bruce to play Giants Stadium, or that stadium up there in Buffalo where you are, in mid December? Get real. While I have NO doubts that they would still sell out, he would freeze his dick off!

[Ligzig]

It's all subjective. There's quite a few groups in the top tier over the years, and everybody is moved differently by different musicians, bands, singers. And at a certain age, let's face it, teens, young women were physically attracted to certain of the singers/musicians in high school, early twenties, which even added to their experience. To say one group moved people more is just subjective. Go to a Depeche Mode concert and it is a massive audience so deeply involved in the experience and they have fans of all ages while in their third decade, definitely not just for baby boomers. Rolling Stones, Springsteen U2, Bon Jovi, they don't pull in stadium tours for nothing. The audience is moved by the music and by the showmanship.

As far as any acts now that can compare to my favorites like Journey early '89s, to me, no, but I guarantee you all the early twenty somethings are saying differently as far as present acts.

I'll bet they are and they couldn't be more incorrect ...even you know that!! Music is subjective, but talent is not!!

How can a feeling be incorrect? I think that was Jana's point anyway.

You're right, talent can be looked at objectively, but talented or not, whether a particular song or band touches you is completely subjective to the point where this thread is absolutely pointless. If by "magic" you mean, most talented band on the planet, it still wouldn't be correct. Neal Schon is not the most talented guitar player, Valory blows on bass, Cain is by FAR not the greatest pianist/keyboard player. If anything I will give you Perry on vocals from a technical aspect, but as a front man, not even close.

I'll give you one thing though, between 81-82 Journey was probably the most talented band in the AOR field.

[Saint John]

I don't know what Bruce grossed

I'm saying this for statistical purposes only (and I think you'd like to know), but I think it was around 90 million. Staggering for that period of time.

I DO know he kept tickets priced low as to give the most people a chance to come to the shows. I thought Herbie was a damned fine manager, but after seeing Jon Landau's act the last 10 years, I don't see how Herbert can be seen as doing more for his band. Landau consistently books the biggest and best tours, sells 100 times more clothing and souvenirs than Journey, REO and the Eagles COMBINED, and promotes his artist. Oh and get this, Landau only has ONE client. And yes, Thrill Hill Productions own all their own equipment ranging from stages to trucks/buses, to two private jets. They use two jets for each show.

I've always thought that bands should have a manager with only one horse in their stable. I absolutely commend the dude for this (Landau).

Bruce flies in one and Patti(wife) the other, so in case they go down, the kids will have at least one parent remaining.

Genius idea, but I'm not buying that bullshit reasoning one bit! He's banging someone else on that plane or he's trying to!

By the way, I would disagree with you vehemently on your 70% take home profit smack. I don't know for sure, but that appears to be twice as much as ever grossed by anyone.

That fat bastard was a maverick, dude. He pushed people around. He had the band and the popularity to do it, though.

I will do some research, or I may just PM Gunbot...the easy way out.

I do that too! I call him WikiDon.

PS- How the fuck you expect the man to play stadiums all year long? You want Bruce to play Giants Stadium, or that stadium up there in Buffalo where you are, in mid December? Get real. While I have NO doubts that they would still sell out, he would freeze his dick off!

... point taken!

[Michigan Girl]

How can a feeling be incorrect? I think that was Jana's point anyway.
You're right, talent can be looked at objectively, but talented or not, whether a particular song or band touches you is completely subjective to the point where this thread is absolutely pointless. If by "magic" you mean, most talented band on the planet, it still wouldn't be correct. Neal Schon is not the most talented guitar player, Valory blows on bass, Cain is by FAR not the greatest pianist/keyboard player. If anything I will give you Perry on vocals from a technical aspect, but as a front man, not even close.

I'll give you one thing though, between 81-82 Journey was probably the most talented band in the AOR field.

That's what I said ...and I prefer magical, but that'll do!!

Perry ...the most ENTHRALLING!!

Oh, sorry LZ ...feelings are not incorrect, thinking a band is great or talented when, in fact, they are not ...that's incorrect!!
e.g. Justin Beiber ...cutie, though!! Taylor Swift cannot sing ...great writer!!
Love Madonna ...sorry, she ain't a great singer!!

[Don]

Pink Floyd's Division Bell Tour of '94 is what you would call a stadium tour. 110 Shows, all sold out. All 39 shows in North America were Stadiums. Of the remaining 75 shows in Europe, at least 26 were stadiums, one residency (14 nights at Earl's Court, 19k a night) and the rest in places the equivalent of Arenas or Festivals because there wasn't a stadium available to play in.
And that was without Roger Waters on the tour.

[Rick]

OG is Brett Favre, the "Old Gunslinger."

All this time I thought it meant Old Geezer.

[parfait]

How can a feeling be incorrect? I think that was Jana's point anyway.
You're right, talent can be looked at objectively, but talented or not, whether a particular song or band touches you is completely subjective to the point where this thread is absolutely pointless. If by "magic" you mean, most talented band on the planet, it still wouldn't be correct. Neal Schon is not the most talented guitar player, Valory blows on bass, Cain is by FAR not the greatest pianist/keyboard player. If anything I will give you Perry on vocals from a technical aspect, but as a front man, not even close.

I'll give you one thing though, between 81-82 Journey was probably the most talented band in the AOR field.

That's what I said ...and I prefer magical, but that'll do!!

Perry ...the most ENTHRALLING!!

Oh, sorry LZ ...feelings are not incorrect, thinking a band is great or talented when, in fact, they are not ...that's incorrect!!
e.g. Justin Beiber ...cutie, though!! Taylor Swift cannot sing ...great writer!!
Love Madonna ...sorry, she ain't a great singer!!

Gotta agree with MG. Perry and Neal? Nothing like it. Too bad they wasted their talent on pop rock and tacky synth rock. They could've have been really, really great.

[Michigan Girl]

How can a feeling be incorrect? I think that was Jana's point anyway.
You're right, talent can be looked at objectively, but talented or not, whether a particular song or band touches you is completely subjective to the point where this thread is absolutely pointless. If by "magic" you mean, most talented band on the planet, it still wouldn't be correct. Neal Schon is not the most talented guitar player, Valory blows on bass, Cain is by FAR not the greatest pianist/keyboard player. If anything I will give you Perry on vocals from a technical aspect, but as a front man, not even close.

I'll give you one thing though, between 81-82 Journey was probably the most talented band in the AOR field.

That's what I said ...and I prefer magical, but that'll do!!

Perry ...the most ENTHRALLING!!

Oh, sorry LZ ...feelings are not incorrect, thinking a band is great or talented when, in fact, they are not ...that's incorrect!!
e.g. Justin Beiber ...cutie, though!! Taylor Swift cannot sing ...great writer!!
Love Madonna ...sorry, she ain't a great singer!!

Gotta agree with MG. Perry and Neal? Nothing like it. Too bad they wasted their talent on pop rock and tacky synth rock. They could've have been really, really great.

Parfait, what are your thoughts on U2, Bruce Springsteen and Bon Jovi?!? ...the magical acts of yesteryear that
fill stadiums today. Are you a fan, have they made any sort of impact on you, how are they received in your area ...even if not a fan
do you find them talented?!?! for all the question marks I missed!!

[FamilyMan]

I must say - U2 live is up there.

[Don]

The best shows I have attended

1. Pink Floyd/ Division Bell/ Oakland Coliseum
2. Roger Waters/ The Wall/ Staples Center
3. U2/ 360/ Rose Bowl
4. Journey/ Frontiers/ JFK
5. Bon Jovi/ New Years Bash/ Tokyo Dome

[parfait]

How can a feeling be incorrect? I think that was Jana's point anyway.
You're right, talent can be looked at objectively, but talented or not, whether a particular song or band touches you is completely subjective to the point where this thread is absolutely pointless. If by "magic" you mean, most talented band on the planet, it still wouldn't be correct. Neal Schon is not the most talented guitar player, Valory blows on bass, Cain is by FAR not the greatest pianist/keyboard player. If anything I will give you Perry on vocals from a technical aspect, but as a front man, not even close.

I'll give you one thing though, between 81-82 Journey was probably the most talented band in the AOR field.

That's what I said ...and I prefer magical, but that'll do!!

Perry ...the most ENTHRALLING!!

Oh, sorry LZ ...feelings are not incorrect, thinking a band is great or talented when, in fact, they are not ...that's incorrect!!
e.g. Justin Beiber ...cutie, though!! Taylor Swift cannot sing ...great writer!!
Love Madonna ...sorry, she ain't a great singer!!

Gotta agree with MG. Perry and Neal? Nothing like it. Too bad they wasted their talent on pop rock and tacky synth rock. They could've have been really, really great.

Parfait, what are your thoughts on U2, Bruce Springsteen and Bon Jovi?!? ...the magical acts of yesteryear that
fill stadiums today. Are you a fan, have they made any sort of impact on you, how are they received in your area ...even if not a fan
do you find them talented?!?! for all the question marks I missed!!

Not a fan of U2. Got a couple of decent songs. Springsteen is okay, but all too "working man" for my taste; and the guy can't sing either. Bon Jovi is fun.

[G.I.Jim]

You could put Jesus motherfucking Christ in The Beatles, and it still wouldn't compare to what Journey had going on live in the early 80's.

Well, not to pick on you here, but Journey paled to Springsteen live back in "the day" and still do now. People in the industry say Springsteen "invented" the concert. When you play 5-6 hours a night, and it's all live and from the gut, Journey even with Perry, had no chance.

Flame away haters.

By the way Don, Bon Jovi isn't as big as Bruce be it here or overseas. Not quite.

Who the hell would want to hear him yelling for 5 freaking hours?

[Jana]

I must say - U2 live is up there.

One of the best songs they've ever written and the best performance I've seen of it from their documentary. It is a brilliant song the way it starts off so softly and builds into a rock anthem full out.

1987 - Bad - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucuBimT- ... re=related

[Deb]

The best shows I have attended

1. Pink Floyd/ Division Bell/ Oakland Coliseum
2. Roger Waters/ The Wall/ Staples Center
3. U2/ 360/ Rose Bowl
4. Journey/ Frontiers/ JFK
5. Bon Jovi/ New Years Bash/ Tokyo Dome

One that is easily in my top 10 is John Mellencamp's Lonesome Jubilee tour, surprisingly it was one of the funnest concerts I had been to in ages. He literally had everybody on their feet dancin', from front of stage to way up in the back nosebleed section. I've never seen anything like it............the last 30 seconds of this vid could have easily been filmed at our 'Dome. Was a GREAT concert! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qxDBiiVjlQ&feature=fvst

And of course our Triumph trio was always a stellar show....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iBHIJqWRXU I remember back in the day here, you were either a Triumph fan or a Rush fan, nobody ever seemed to be both..........LOL, I was Triumph all the way.

[JH'sTXfan]

One that is easily in my top 10 is John Mellencamp's Lonesome Jubilee tour, surprisingly it was one of the funnest concerts I had been to in ages. He literally had everybody on their feet dancin', from front of stage to way up in the back nosebleed section. I've never seen anything like it............the last 30 seconds of this vid could have easily been filmed at our 'Dome. Was a GREAT concert! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qxDBiiVjlQ&feature=fvst

That brings back fond memories...I saw him in Feb '86 at the Summit. It was the Scarecrow tour the year before Lonesome Jubilee. I think I wore out at least 6 of the American Fool cassettes. He was big in my neighborhood...

[Deb]

One that is easily in my top 10 is John Mellencamp's Lonesome Jubilee tour, surprisingly it was one of the funnest concerts I had been to in ages. He literally had everybody on their feet dancin', from front of stage to way up in the back nosebleed section. I've never seen anything like it............the last 30 seconds of this vid could have easily been filmed at our 'Dome. Was a GREAT concert! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qxDBiiVjlQ&feature=fvst

That brings back fond memories...I saw him in Feb '86 at the Summit. It was the Scarecrow tour the year before Lonesome Jubilee. I think I wore out at least 6 of the American Fool cassettes. He was big in my neighborhood...

Yep, he had some great tunes! I saw 2 or 3 of his concerts back in the day but the Lonesone Jubilee one was my favorite, I've seriously never seen a WHOLE arena up dancin/swaying/grooving like that before or since, especially to this one......Cherry Bomb ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF0gsbQKhD8 It was a blast!

[S2M]

I know it isn't the same genre, but MJ was better than Journey, Bruce, U2, Jovi....whomever. Better meaning bigger, more popular....I wouldn't make a judgment call as to talent. Personally, I think MJ was very talented....

Even Dean cannot argue this fact.....

[JH'sTXfan]

Yep, he had some great tunes! I saw 2 or 3 of his concerts back in the day but the Lonesone Jubilee one was my favorite, I've seriously never seen a WHOLE arena up dancin/swaying/grooving like that before or since, especially to this one......Cherry Bomb ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF0gsbQKhD8 It was a blast!

Count how many times "small town" appears in this song... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CVLVaBE ... re=channel

[Saint John]

I know it isn't the same genre, but MJ was better than Journey, Bruce, U2, Jovi....whomever. Better meaning bigger, more popular....I wouldn't make a judgment call as to talent. Personally, I think MJ was very talented....

Even Dean cannot argue this fact.....

Michael Jackson is, globally, the biggest star ever.