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Postby Clasicrockldy » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:58 pm

I heard on the morning news that Westboro Baptist Church will NOT picket Christina Green's funeral. So I googled the "Church" ( :roll: ) and I came across this article.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110113/toronto-host-talks-chuch-out-of-funeral-protest-110113/20110113/?hub=TorontoNewHome

Radio host persuades U.S. church to drop funeral protest

Updated: Thu Jan. 13 2011 6:59:58 AM

The Canadian Press

TORONTO — Members of a radical Kansas church have cancelled plans to picket the funeral of a nine-year-old girl killed in a shooting rampage in Arizona, after being promised a live interview on a Toronto radio station.

Dean Blundell, a controversial morning show host on rock radio station 102.1 The Edge, said he brokered the deal with Shirley Phelps-Roper of the Westboro Baptist Church in an effort to prevent further suffering for the victim's family.

Phelps-Roper has also credited Blundell and another Arizona radio station for persuading her and fellow church members to stay away from the funeral for Christina Green, who was one of six people killed on Saturday in Tucson, Ariz.

The church had previously planned to picket Green's funeral on Thursday, saying the Arizona shooter had been sent by God to punish sinners in the country.

The organization also has a long history of picketing the funerals of fallen American soldiers on the grounds that the nation is too tolerant towards homosexuals.

Word of the church's plans prompted Arizona legislators to rush through a law prohibiting protests within 100 metres of a funeral or burial service.

Phelps-Roper has been a semi-regular guest on Blundell's program in the past, where her hardline right-wing views were played for laughs for the show's largely left-leaning audience.

Blundell said he was able to draw upon his existing relationship with her to persuade her to leave Green's family and friends to mourn in peace.

"I said, 'I'll let you say whatever you want to say. You can spew whatever religious rhetoric you like, you can talk about how terrific it is on our morning show ... if you agree not to protest the funeral,' and she agreed," Blundell said in a telephone interview.

Phelps-Roper, a church member and the daughter of its pastor, took to Toronto's airwaves on Tuesday, where Blundell honoured his pledge by giving her a few minutes of uninterrupted air time.

Phelps Roper said Westboro still plans to picket the funerals of other victims, but Blundell hopes to change her mind by allowing her to give a repeat performance on Thursday's program. During the broadcast, scheduled for 9 a.m., Blundell said he plans to ask her to boycott the Friday funeral of slain judge John Roll and other victims of the Arizona shooting.

Blundell acknowledged Phelps-Roper's appearances are not always popular with listeners, but said her on-air tirades will spare mourners from additional pain.

"I'd give up days of our show if I could prevent her from hurting anybody else," he said.

Phelps-Roper's controversial interviews are just one provocative facet of Blundell's show, which drew the ire of the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council last October.

The council ruled Blundell made comments about Justin Bieber fans that "inappropriately sexualized children" and ordered the radio station to make an on-air apology.

Blundell concedes Phelps-Roper's appearances are usually billed as entertainment, saying her views are so outrageous that listeners can't help but laugh.

"It's like someone calling in and saying the colour blue is really the colour red," he said. "And the funny part is she really believes it."

This week's interviews are no laughing matter, he said, adding his efforts to get her more air time were prompted by his conscience.

"I think we have a bigger responsibility, not just to Canadians, but we've got a responsibility to the rest of the world as broadcasters to be able to try and make a difference somehow," he said.

"That little girl didn't have a chance. If we can offer up some radio time and let her talk silliness, we're more than happy to do it if she promises not to hurt anybody."


Too bad this is only a one time deal for the "Church". They will be back protesting funerals of fallen soldiers, etc.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:02 am

Good for him...They'll get less media exposure this way and hopefully stay away from grieving families.
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Re: Westboro Baptist Church to NOT picket Child's Funeral

Postby Andrew » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:21 am

Clasicrockldy wrote:I heard on the morning news that Westboro Baptist Church will NOT picket Christina Green's funeral. So I googled the "Church" ( :roll: ) and I came across this article.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110113/toronto-host-talks-chuch-out-of-funeral-protest-110113/20110113/?hub=TorontoNewHome

Radio host persuades U.S. church to drop funeral protest

Updated: Thu Jan. 13 2011 6:59:58 AM

The Canadian Press

TORONTO — Members of a radical Kansas church have cancelled plans to picket the funeral of a nine-year-old girl killed in a shooting rampage in Arizona, after being promised a live interview on a Toronto radio station.

Dean Blundell, a controversial morning show host on rock radio station 102.1 The Edge, said he brokered the deal with Shirley Phelps-Roper of the Westboro Baptist Church in an effort to prevent further suffering for the victim's family.

Phelps-Roper has also credited Blundell and another Arizona radio station for persuading her and fellow church members to stay away from the funeral for Christina Green, who was one of six people killed on Saturday in Tucson, Ariz.
The church had previously planned to picket Green's funeral on Thursday, saying the Arizona shooter had been sent by God to punish sinners in the country.

The organization also has a long history of picketing the funerals of fallen American soldiers on the grounds that the nation is too tolerant towards homosexuals.

Word of the church's plans prompted Arizona legislators to rush through a law prohibiting protests within 100 metres of a funeral or burial service.

Phelps-Roper has been a semi-regular guest on Blundell's program in the past, where her hardline right-wing views were played for laughs for the show's largely left-leaning audience.

Blundell said he was able to draw upon his existing relationship with her to persuade her to leave Green's family and friends to mourn in peace.

"I said, 'I'll let you say whatever you want to say. You can spew whatever religious rhetoric you like, you can talk about how terrific it is on our morning show ... if you agree not to protest the funeral,' and she agreed," Blundell said in a telephone interview.

Phelps-Roper, a church member and the daughter of its pastor, took to Toronto's airwaves on Tuesday, where Blundell honoured his pledge by giving her a few minutes of uninterrupted air time.

Phelps Roper said Westboro still plans to picket the funerals of other victims, but Blundell hopes to change her mind by allowing her to give a repeat performance on Thursday's program. During the broadcast, scheduled for 9 a.m., Blundell said he plans to ask her to boycott the Friday funeral of slain judge John Roll and other victims of the Arizona shooting.

Blundell acknowledged Phelps-Roper's appearances are not always popular with listeners, but said her on-air tirades will spare mourners from additional pain.

"I'd give up days of our show if I could prevent her from hurting anybody else," he said.

Phelps-Roper's controversial interviews are just one provocative facet of Blundell's show, which drew the ire of the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council last October.

The council ruled Blundell made comments about Justin Bieber fans that "inappropriately sexualized children" and ordered the radio station to make an on-air apology.

Blundell concedes Phelps-Roper's appearances are usually billed as entertainment, saying her views are so outrageous that listeners can't help but laugh.

"It's like someone calling in and saying the colour blue is really the colour red," he said. "And the funny part is she really believes it."

This week's interviews are no laughing matter, he said, adding his efforts to get her more air time were prompted by his conscience.

"I think we have a bigger responsibility, not just to Canadians, but we've got a responsibility to the rest of the world as broadcasters to be able to try and make a difference somehow," he said.

"That little girl didn't have a chance. If we can offer up some radio time and let her talk silliness, we're more than happy to do it if she promises not to hurt anybody."


Too bad this is only a one time deal for the "Church". They will be back protesting funerals of fallen soldiers, etc.
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A law was passed to make it illegal to protest at these funerals. ALL states should do the same to rid the world of these assholes.
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Re: Westboro Baptist Church to NOT picket Child's Funeral

Postby conversationpc » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:40 am

Andrew wrote:A law was passed to make it illegal to protest at these funerals. ALL states should do the same to rid the world of these assholes.


As much as I hate these people, it would infringe on free speech and, unfortunately, they are legally allowed to do it. I wouldn't feel a bit sad if some pscyho wiped them out completely but I'd rather our freedoms weren't diminished any further than they have been already over the last few years.
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Re: Westboro Baptist Church to NOT picket Child's Funeral

Postby Andrew » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:42 am

conversationpc wrote:
Andrew wrote:A law was passed to make it illegal to protest at these funerals. ALL states should do the same to rid the world of these assholes.


As much as I hate these people, it would infringe on free speech and, unfortunately, they are legally allowed to do it. I wouldn't feel a bit sad if some pscyho wiped them out completely but I'd rather our freedoms weren't diminished any further than they have been already over the last few years.


I figured no one would have any problem with a law preventing picketing of funerals!!! Especially by these tools!
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:44 am

Andrew wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Andrew wrote:A law was passed to make it illegal to protest at these funerals. ALL states should do the same to rid the world of these assholes.


As much as I hate these people, it would infringe on free speech and, unfortunately, they are legally allowed to do it. I wouldn't feel a bit sad if some pscyho wiped them out completely but I'd rather our freedoms weren't diminished any further than they have been already over the last few years.


I figured no one would have any problem with a law preventing picketing of funerals!!! Especially by these tools!


Most states, if not all, have laws that prohibit any protesters from being within a certain distance of a funeral/burial. It isn't that I have a problem specifically with a law prohibiting them altogether but the bad precedent it would set on the way to limiting real freedom of speech.
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Postby Clasicrockldy » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:06 pm

The one other thing that annoys me to no end, besides picketing funerals and brainwashing the children is the presumption that they speak for God. That they know what God hates and loves. I was led to believe that God tells US what he wants us to do, and that is what the Bible is for. They give others the impression that God is a hateful, vengful God, and not a loving one. :evil: :evil:
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Re: Westboro Baptist Church to NOT picket Child's Funeral

Postby Andrew » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:30 pm

conversationpc wrote:
Andrew wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Andrew wrote:A law was passed to make it illegal to protest at these funerals. ALL states should do the same to rid the world of these assholes.


As much as I hate these people, it would infringe on free speech and, unfortunately, they are legally allowed to do it. I wouldn't feel a bit sad if some pscyho wiped them out completely but I'd rather our freedoms weren't diminished any further than they have been already over the last few years.


I figured no one would have any problem with a law preventing picketing of funerals!!! Especially by these tools!


Most states, if not all, have laws that prohibit any protesters from being within a certain distance of a funeral/burial. It isn't that I have a problem specifically with a law prohibiting them altogether but the bad precedent it would set on the way to limiting real freedom of speech.


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Re: Westboro Baptist Church to NOT picket Child's Funeral

Postby T-Bone » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:55 pm

conversationpc wrote:
Andrew wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Andrew wrote:A law was passed to make it illegal to protest at these funerals. ALL states should do the same to rid the world of these assholes.


As much as I hate these people, it would infringe on free speech and, unfortunately, they are legally allowed to do it. I wouldn't feel a bit sad if some pscyho wiped them out completely but I'd rather our freedoms weren't diminished any further than they have been already over the last few years.


I figured no one would have any problem with a law preventing picketing of funerals!!! Especially by these tools!


Most states, if not all, have laws that prohibit any protesters from being within a certain distance of a funeral/burial. It isn't that I have a problem specifically with a law prohibiting them altogether but the bad precedent it would set on the way to limiting real freedom of speech.


There's a difference between the "freedom of speech" thing and the actual "right to speak" as far as i'm concerned. Sadly, most people hide behind the freedom of speech shield when they want to say anything they want without any recourse. :roll:
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Postby Arianddu » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:32 pm

T-Bone wrote:
There's a difference between the "freedom of speech" thing and the actual "right to speak" as far as i'm concerned. Sadly, most people hide behind the freedom of speech shield when they want to say anything they want without any recourse. :roll:


In other words, people have freedom of speech; they don't have freedom from consequences of that speech.
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Postby S2M » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:38 pm

So basically it's entrapment....
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Re: Westboro Baptist Church to NOT picket Child's Funeral

Postby conversationpc » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:08 pm

T-Bone wrote:There's a difference between the "freedom of speech" thing and the actual "right to speak" as far as i'm concerned. Sadly, most people hide behind the freedom of speech shield when they want to say anything they want without any recourse. :roll:


The price you pay for freedom is that, sometimes, people abuse the freedom. In the USA, we have the freedom to say things that piss people off, even to extremes. That right is only limited in that you can't yell the proverbial "Fire!" in a crowded theater. In other words, you can't say things that put people in immediate danger or provoke people to act violently towards others. As much as I hate these people, and I've spoken out against them publicly many times in the past, they do have the right to protest as they do as long as they follow the local lawful ordinances that have been established regarding these kinds of things. Thank God for that group of bikers that often gather to block those folks from these nutbags.
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Postby T-Bone » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:15 am

Yes... I love those bikers. I truly wish the WBC tries to mess with them
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Postby hoagiepete » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:49 am

IGNORE THEM! PLEASE!



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Postby artist4perry » Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:14 pm

S2M wrote:So basically it's entrapment....


Great caricature.........who is it? They guy who sings in Dio?
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Re: Westboro Baptist Church to NOT picket Child's Funeral

Postby G.I.Jim » Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:56 pm

conversationpc wrote:
Andrew wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Andrew wrote:A law was passed to make it illegal to protest at these funerals. ALL states should do the same to rid the world of these assholes.


As much as I hate these people, it would infringe on free speech and, unfortunately, they are legally allowed to do it. I wouldn't feel a bit sad if some pscyho wiped them out completely but I'd rather our freedoms weren't diminished any further than they have been already over the last few years.


I figured no one would have any problem with a law preventing picketing of funerals!!! Especially by these tools!


Most states, if not all, have laws that prohibit any protesters from being within a certain distance of a funeral/burial. It isn't that I have a problem specifically with a law prohibiting them altogether but the bad precedent it would set on the way to limiting real freedom of speech.


I'm all for free speech, but how would this effect ANYONE other than these assholes, to stop demonstrations or speeches in the area surrounding a funeral? How many funerals have you been to where someone's protesting at the same time? In cases like this... fuck free speech!!! :roll: This should be a law for ALL funerals. Even if a person were a serial killer. To me, no matter what a person has done in their lives, NOBODY should be able to protest, or mock their funerals. NOBODY! :?
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Re: Westboro Baptist Church to NOT picket Child's Funeral

Postby Arkansas » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:24 am

G.I.Jim wrote:I'm all for free speech, but how would this effect ANYONE other than these assholes, to stop demonstrations or speeches in the area surrounding a funeral? How many funerals have you been to where someone's protesting at the same time? In cases like this... fuck free speech!!! :roll: This should be a law for ALL funerals. Even if a person were a serial killer. To me, no matter what a person has done in their lives, NOBODY should be able to protest, or mock their funerals. NOBODY! :?


Need to define protest, mock, or picket. Too much gray area in any type of public assembly definition.
What about the innocent man executed in prison? Should no one be able to question the morality, do the candlelight vigil, or make any sort of statement at the funeral?

If what's perceived as negative is banned, then what's perceived as celebratory could be indirectly banned too. You restrict one, you risk the precendent for restricting everything.


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Postby conversationpc » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:48 am

artist4perry wrote:
S2M wrote:So basically it's entrapment....


Great caricature.........who is it? They guy who sings in Dio?


That IS Ronnie James Dio and it is a great caricature.
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Re: Westboro Baptist Church to NOT picket Child's Funeral

Postby conversationpc » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:59 am

Arkansas wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:I'm all for free speech, but how would this effect ANYONE other than these assholes, to stop demonstrations or speeches in the area surrounding a funeral? How many funerals have you been to where someone's protesting at the same time? In cases like this... fuck free speech!!! :roll: This should be a law for ALL funerals. Even if a person were a serial killer. To me, no matter what a person has done in their lives, NOBODY should be able to protest, or mock their funerals. NOBODY! :?


Need to define protest, mock, or picket. Too much gray area in any type of public assembly definition.
What about the innocent man executed in prison? Should no one be able to question the morality, do the candlelight vigil, or make any sort of statement at the funeral?

If what's perceived as negative is banned, then what's perceived as celebratory could be indirectly banned too. You restrict one, you risk the precendent for restricting everything.


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The right thing to do is what the bikers who block their protests are doing. Those guys are heroes, in my opinion.
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