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[RedWingFan]

I simply said , true but they get raped anyways , by insurgents or our soldiers.

This is really a disgusting thing to say, painting our troops to be like criminals. Obviously, there are going to be some law-breakers in ANY large group of people, but to paint all our people with that kind of broad brush is just wrong.

Dude, face it. Most of our soldiers sign up just to get a free piece of ass w/o having to buy any drinks.

It's probably printed on posters in the enlistment offices.

[Behshad]

I simply said , true but they get raped anyways , by insurgents or our soldiers.

This is really a disgusting thing to say, painting our troops to be like criminals. Obviously, there are going to be some law-breakers in ANY large group of people, but to paint all our people with that kind of broad brush is just wrong.

It's the reality. And yes more often than not a few idiots can make the entire group look bad. But not once did I say that all our soldiers are like that. I was stating the facts while RWF as usual was listening with his ass in the air and head in the sand.
My point stands that the Iraqi women hasn't really gained anything from this war like DingDonFan suggested

[Behshad]

I simply said , true but they get raped anyways , by insurgents or our soldiers.

This is really a disgusting thing to say, painting our troops to be like criminals. Obviously, there are going to be some law-breakers in ANY large group of people, but to paint all our people with that kind of broad brush is just wrong.

B should learn that "a closed mouth gathers no feet."

Right now his mouth is full and his cred is falling like a rock.

That's right , I'm the bad guy for MENTIONING rape that others commit. Didn't expect anything less from you OnlyPostingFactsThatBenefitMe

[conversationpc]

I simply said , true but they get raped anyways , by insurgents or our soldiers.

This is really a disgusting thing to say, painting our troops to be like criminals. Obviously, there are going to be some law-breakers in ANY large group of people, but to paint all our people with that kind of broad brush is just wrong.

It's the reality. And yes more often than not a few idiots can make the entire group look bad. But not once did I say that all our soldiers are like that. I was stating the facts while RWF as usual was listening with his ass in the air and head in the sand.
My point stands that the Iraqi women hasn't really gained anything from this war like DingDonFan suggested

Your language suggested painting the entire military that way and there's a big difference. When Iraq was still ruled by the Husseins, the two brothers could rape and torture at will with the government's sanction.

[RossValoryRocks]

I simply said , true but they get raped anyways , by insurgents or our soldiers.

This is really a disgusting thing to say, painting our troops to be like criminals. Obviously, there are going to be some law-breakers in ANY large group of people, but to paint all our people with that kind of broad brush is just wrong.

It's the reality. And yes more often than not a few idiots can make the entire group look bad. But not once did I say that all our soldiers are like that. I was stating the facts while RWF as usual was listening with his ass in the air and head in the sand.
My point stands that the Iraqi women hasn't really gained anything from this war like DingDonFan suggested

Wow...a just lost a ton of respect for you B.

To paint ALL of our military like that? The Abu Graib thing was an anomoly...and let be honest, worse happens in college during fraternity hazing. No condoning it, just putting it in perspective as a matter of degree.

But for God's sake for you to same something like this about our military being full of rapists?

[Behshad]

I simply said , true but they get raped anyways , by insurgents or our soldiers.

This is really a disgusting thing to say, painting our troops to be like criminals. Obviously, there are going to be some law-breakers in ANY large group of people, but to paint all our people with that kind of broad brush is just wrong.

It's the reality. And yes more often than not a few idiots can make the entire group look bad. But not once did I say that all our soldiers are like that. I was stating the facts while RWF as usual was listening with his ass in the air and head in the sand.
My point stands that the Iraqi women hasn't really gained anything from this war like DingDonFan suggested

Your language suggested painting the entire military that way and there's a big difference. When Iraq was still ruled by the Husseins, the two brothers could rape and torture at will with the government's sanction.

My language stated the fact that Iraqi women still get raped. Quiet often by insurgents but sometimes even by our soldiers.

[Behshad]

I simply said , true but they get raped anyways , by insurgents or our soldiers.

This is really a disgusting thing to say, painting our troops to be like criminals. Obviously, there are going to be some law-breakers in ANY large group of people, but to paint all our people with that kind of broad brush is just wrong.

It's the reality. And yes more often than not a few idiots can make the entire group look bad. But not once did I say that all our soldiers are like that. I was stating the facts while RWF as usual was listening with his ass in the air and head in the sand.
My point stands that the Iraqi women hasn't really gained anything from this war like DingDonFan suggested

Wow...a just lost a ton of respect for you B.

To paint ALL of our military like that? The Abu Graib thing was an anomoly...and let be honest, worse happens in college during fraternity hazing. No condoning it, just putting it in perspective as a matter of degree.

But for God's sake for you to same something like this about our military being full of rapists?

If you're that big of a moron who doesn't understand your own language when I explained clearly in a post that I made and you quoted,that only a few always make the group look back , then I dont need your respect.
There is still rape going on, that's my point and I stand by it firmly.


And you're right , there's more rape goin on in our country , so why not help our people , instead of helping our enemies women ?!

[StevePerryHair]

I have a friend who is retired military and I have heard stories that would shock a lot of people. He was over there twice. I have total respect for my military, but there ARE things that go on that are not advertised to the public. His stories weren't rape, but equally surprising to me.

[RossValoryRocks]

I simply said , true but they get raped anyways , by insurgents or our soldiers.

This is really a disgusting thing to say, painting our troops to be like criminals. Obviously, there are going to be some law-breakers in ANY large group of people, but to paint all our people with that kind of broad brush is just wrong.

It's the reality. And yes more often than not a few idiots can make the entire group look bad. But not once did I say that all our soldiers are like that. I was stating the facts while RWF as usual was listening with his ass in the air and head in the sand.
My point stands that the Iraqi women hasn't really gained anything from this war like DingDonFan suggested

Wow...a just lost a ton of respect for you B.

To paint ALL of our military like that? The Abu Graib thing was an anomoly...and let be honest, worse happens in college during fraternity hazing. No condoning it, just putting it in perspective as a matter of degree.

But for God's sake for you to same something like this about our military being full of rapists?

If you're that big of a moron who doesn't understand your own language when I explained clearly in a post that I made and you quoted,that only a few always make the group look back , then I dont need your respect.
There is still rape going on, that's my point and I stand by it firmly.


And you're right , there's more rape goin on in our country , so why not help our people , instead of helping our enemies women ?!

Dude...WTF are you talking about? There was no "rape" going in Abu Graib.

The Iraqi people aren't OUR enemies.

And yes rape happens...it's disgusting, vile, and I think men who rape women, little kids etc etc should ride the lightning. As long as their are men their will be rape, because SOME of them are bad. Period.

Yeah it does only take a few to make a whole group look bad, but you still painted the whole of our military as bad regardless of how you phrased it to look.

[Behshad]

It's very typical for FalseFinder and his puppet RWF to tryo to twist peoples word and spew their BS , but I'm surprises how Dave and Stu joins them.

In war there's a lot going that we don't see. I didn't expect our troops to shower our enemies with flowers and candy. I simply corrected RWF , that rape is still going on in Iraq, just not buy Uday and Kusay

[Behshad]

You stand correct Stu. There was rape going on in Abu G


http://www.countercurrents.org/eley290509.htm

[RossValoryRocks]

You stand correct Stu. There was rape going on in Abu G


http://www.countercurrents.org/eley290509.htm

Show it to me from an unbiased source.

[Behshad]

But of course youre living in denial , thinking we actually brought FREEDOM to Iraq.

Of course it's a work in progress...

http://www.newsweek.com/2008/06/21/the- ... ghdad.html

The Booze Is Back in Baghdad

Slowly, in certain urban pockets, a more liberal, secular culture is returning to Iraq's streets.

(Page 1 of 2)

Elias Khalaf's cracked grin may have saved his life. The portly, balding liquor-store owner was kidnapped five months ago by fundamentalists who held him prisoner in a brick factory for five days until he convinced them he couldn't raise the ransom they demanded. "If I had any money," he asked his jailers, "don't you think I'd fix my teeth?" As soon as he was released, he shut down his shop in Baghdad—the last of nine liquor stores he'd once owned throughout Iraq, from Mosul in the north to the southern Shiite religious heartland.

Khalaf is now thinking of starting up again. He stands and watches the steady stream of customers into and out of Jaguar, a liquor shop owned by a friend of his near the Green Zone. The floor-to-ceiling shelves are kept stocked with Johnnie Walker, Chivas Regal and a mysterious clear liquid in bottles plastered with the Hertz logo. Until a few months ago, buyers often had the storekeeper disguise their purchases, pouring their whisky into soft-drink bottles before venturing back to the street. Now the trade is brisk and wide open. It's fueling Khalaf's dreams of getting back in the business, maybe even opening a casino—one of those dimly lit rooms where Iraqi men sip drinks while playing cards or backgammon.

Iraqis aren't merely boozing it up. Men are shaving their beards; women are wearing jeans and taking off their headscarves; couples are holding hands in public. Musicians and DJs feel safe to take more gigs at weddings and parties. In the grassy riverside parks alongside Baghdad's Abi Nawas Street, young couples sit close on the new sod. Amin Hussein, 21, flips and spins, showing off some moves from the Brazilian martial arts he was forbidden from teaching in his neighborhood until a few months ago. ("This is an Islamic country," militia enforcers warned him.) Hussein, a fan of rapper Snoop Dogg, says he's hopeful about the future: "Now the liberals are stronger." Other entertainers have their own devotees—"Shakira good!" declares 19-year-old Mohammed Mizo, who says he gets heckled less for his spiky hair.


So far, most of the inhibition shedding is confined to a few urban areas—Iraq hasn't suddenly morphed into Dubai. But to Iraqis old enough to remember, the changed atmosphere brings to mind a way of life that seemed gone forever after five years of war. Baghdad has been a place of wine and song as far back as the "Thousand and One Nights." In the early 1900s the city was celebrated for its eclectic culture and was home to a vibrant mix of Jews, Christians and Muslims. Even under Saddam Hussein's dictatorship, state channels regularly ran Hollywood movies with Arabic subtitles. Hotels throbbed with pop bands and DJs, and Sinatra songs floated above the Tigris from parties on the water's edge. In his last years the beleaguered Saddam tried to co-opt the Islamists, adding the words "God Is Great" to the Iraqi flag in a nod to their rising strength throughout the Middle East. But even then the oppressed Shiites were prohibited from holding religious processions, and Sunni extremists were held in check by the secret police.

read page 2 here

http://www.newsweek.com/2008/06/21/the- ... ghdad.html

You were taking a slam at our military B and you know it. Did some of our guys go bad, yes...does that negate the good, hell no!

No I wasn't. I was pointing out that there is still women getting raped. You on the other hand like to twist peoples words.
And it's a fact that even our soldiers have raped Iraqi people. You can sugarcoat it all you want. That's not a slam at our military. It's a well deserved slam at the bad seeds.

[Behshad]

You stand correct Stu. There was rape going on in Abu G


http://www.countercurrents.org/eley290509.htm

Show it to me from an unbiased source.

You show me from an unbiased source that there was NO rape and I stand corrected.

[RossValoryRocks]

You stand correct Stu. There was rape going on in Abu G


http://www.countercurrents.org/eley290509.htm

Show it to me from an unbiased source.

You show me from an unbiased source that there was NO rape and I stand corrected.

Wow you can't prove a negative you idiot.

[RedWingFan]

You stand correct Stu. There was rape going on in Abu G


http://www.countercurrents.org/eley290509.htm

Show it to me from an unbiased source.

You show me from an unbiased source that there was NO rape and I stand corrected.

You're the one throwing around the accusations. And you want Stu to prove something did NOT happen?

[Behshad]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... May20.html


DenialFan , here you go.

[RedWingFan]

I simply corrected RWF , that rape is still going on in Iraq, just not buy Uday and Kusay

And I asked you if you saw the difference between what was basically state sanctioned "rape rooms" for those dogs, and a possible incident that is looked rightfully as a crime. You conveniently stuck your head in the sand for that one.

[RedWingFan]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43783-2004May20.html


DenialFan , here you go.

Oh an accusation from a prisoner! Completely credible and unbiased!

Abu Ghraib Detainees' Statements Describe Sexual Humiliation And Savage Beatings

[Behshad]

I simply corrected RWF , that rape is still going on in Iraq, just not buy Uday and Kusay

And I asked you if you saw the difference between what was basically state sanctioned "rape rooms" for those dogs, and a possible incident that is looked rightfully as a crime. You conveniently stuck your head in the sand for that one.

Let's see you prove the existence of these state sanctioned rape rooms !

[RedWingFan]

I simply corrected RWF , that rape is still going on in Iraq, just not buy Uday and Kusay

And I asked you if you saw the difference between what was basically state sanctioned "rape rooms" for those dogs, and a possible incident that is looked rightfully as a crime. You conveniently stuck your head in the sand for that one.

Let's see you prove the existence of these state sanctioned rape rooms !

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/ju ... goldenberg

Uday: career of rape, torture and murder

He was a monster even by the standards of Saddam Hussein's Iraq, a sadist with a taste for cruelty so extreme that even his father was forced to acknowledge that his first-born son would not be a worthy heir.
And yet for all that Uday Saddam Hussein symbolised the brutality of the Iraqi regime, his powers were severely circumscribed. Although he retained the privileges of the much-indulged son of a dictator, he was shunted from the real centres of power in the military and security services by his quieter, younger brother Qusay.

Although Uday nominally had a role in politics - following his election to parliament with 99% of the vote in 1999 - he was studiously absent from Iraqi television during the dying days of the regime.

It was clear controllers realised that showing too many pictures of the most hated man in Iraq was hardly going to spur resistance.

It was not the life that Uday had intended. Of Saddam's two sons, he was the flamboyant one - towering well over 6ft, with a penchant for fast cars and loud and drunken parties, expensive suits and flowing robes, as well as murder, rape and torture.

His public duties ranged from the Iraqi Olympic Committee and the national football team, to Babel, supposedly an independent newspaper, and Shabab, or youth television, to the Iraqi Photographers' Association. He also was in charge of the dreaded Saddam Fedayeen militia.

For those unfortunate enough to have strayed across his path, Uday's reasons for taking on such a public life were pathetic: he wanted to build a public profile in preparation for taking over from Saddam.

The search for public approbation appears to have taken over in the mid-1980s when Uday first took a close interest in sport. Footballers say he never really understood or showed much interest in the game itself, but was desperate enough for a win that he would phone up the dressing room during half-time to threaten to cut off players' legs and throw them to ravenous dogs.

As football overseer, Uday kept a private torture scorecard, with written instructions on how many times each player should be beaten on the soles of his feet after a particularly poor showing.

He also carried a grudge. "Once you came to Uday's notice, he never left you alone. The only time I managed to get away from his eyes was when I went outside Iraq," star performer Habib Jaffar told the Guardian last April.

Uday's excesses carried over in his private life where he had a reputation for ordering any girl or woman who caught his eye to be brought to his private pleasure dome.

The palace, a bad taste Arabian nights fantasy, was decorated with indoor fountains and erotic murals and was in the grounds of his father's presidential estate. A nearby chamber contained huge stashes of drugs as well as an HIV testing kit, according to US forces.

He is also reported to have operated an even more private torture chamber on the banks of the Tigris.

But his brutality finally caught up with him. In 1988 he bludgeoned to death his father's bodyguard Kamal Hana Jajo in front of horrified partygoers.

He also shot one of his uncles in the leg. The murder, shootings, and other erratic behaviour put him in permanent disfavour with Saddam. He was briefly exiled to Switzerland and, while he was allowed to return to Iraq, he was never again deemed suitable for succession.

Uday's marriages were a further source of embarrassment to his father.

His two brief dynastic liaisons - with the daughters of a senior Ba'ath party aide of Saddam and an uncle - were dissolved after Uday beat up his brides.

His remove from power grew even greater in 1996 when gunmen fired on his red Porsche as it sped through the streets of Baghdad. The attack left the scion of Saddam able to walk only with great difficulty.

It also appears to have deepened his rage against his fellow Iraqis. Sports figures in Iraq say he had come to see his duties at the Olympic committee only as a source of ready cash. His cruelty, already legendary, deepened.

You go ahead and continue to weep for this bastard! At least he was never a member of the US military!

[Monker]

You obviously would be perfectly fine if it were still going on. What a humanitarian you are.

Raping happens here in the US...we don't need to go to Iraq to stop it.

Yeah, and in the 40's there were murders that happened on the streets of America. We didn't need to go put an end to the gassing of millions of Jews during WWII huh?

No YOU are making a direct comparison and saying we went into Iraq to stop rapes. That is just lame.

[RedWingFan]

You obviously would be perfectly fine if it were still going on. What a humanitarian you are.

Raping happens here in the US...we don't need to go to Iraq to stop it.

Yeah, and in the 40's there were murders that happened on the streets of America. We didn't need to go put an end to the gassing of millions of Jews during WWII huh?

...and saying we went into Iraq to stop rapes. That is just lame.

Go point out where I said that's why we went. You can't because I didn't say that.

Damn I swear you have a learning disability!!!

[Monker]

http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

http://articles.cnn.com/2006-08-07/worl ... s=PM:WORLD

http://www.countercurrents.org/eley290509.htm

And I'm assuming that these people would be rightfully charged, right? How about Uday and Kusay were they ever charged? No? See the difference between possible crimes and what's basically state sanctioned rape that goes on indefinitely??

If you don't think people in 'power' in Iraq can do the exact same thing, then you are living in W's brain.

[Behshad]

Too funny Jose. . Were those two evil ?! of course. But so are many insurgents who rape these women daily.
There's no mentioning of the state sanctioned rape rooms ,,, only a brief mention of the typical Arabian Palace Harems. Most those leaders in Arabian nations have those. Let's risk our troops lives to save those women shall we ?!

[Monker]

Oh ok , so we went there to fight crimes going on

Read my post to Monker. I didn't say that, obviously you went the same school as him, and dropped out with him as well!

You made direct comparison to the rapes you posted about and entering WW2 because of the gassing of Jews. You ARE saying that.

[RedWingFan]

:lol:

Too funny Jose. . Were those two evil ?! of course. But so are many insurgents who rape these women daily.
There's no mentioning of the state sanctioned rape rooms ,,, only a brief mention of the typical Arabian Palace Harems. Most those leaders in Arabian nations have those. Let's risk our troops lives to save those women shall we ?!

Dude you obviously prefer totalitarian states, where I prefer freedom. We'll just have to drop it at that.

[Monker]

I simply said , true but they get raped anyways , by insurgents or our soldiers.

This is really a disgusting thing to say, painting our troops to be like criminals. Obviously, there are going to be some law-breakers in ANY large group of people, but to paint all our people with that kind of broad brush is just wrong.

B should learn that "a closed mouth gathers no feet."

Right now his mouth is full and his cred is falling like a rock.

At least he has/had cred to lose, unlike those who do nothing but copy/paste propaganda.

[RedWingFan]

Too funny Jose.

Why do you have to get all racial???

[Monker]

I simply said , true but they get raped anyways , by insurgents or our soldiers.

This is really a disgusting thing to say, painting our troops to be like criminals. Obviously, there are going to be some law-breakers in ANY large group of people, but to paint all our people with that kind of broad brush is just wrong.

It's the reality. And yes more often than not a few idiots can make the entire group look bad. But not once did I say that all our soldiers are like that. I was stating the facts while RWF as usual was listening with his ass in the air and head in the sand.
My point stands that the Iraqi women hasn't really gained anything from this war like DingDonFan suggested

Wow...a just lost a ton of respect for you B.

To paint ALL of our military like that? The Abu Graib thing was an anomoly...and let be honest, worse happens in college during fraternity hazing. No condoning it, just putting it in perspective as a matter of degree.

But for God's sake for you to same something like this about our military being full of rapists?

Oh, great...now RWF is going to want the military to invade a college campus.