Tragedy in AZ: God be w/Rep. Gabrielle Giiffords and others

[RedWingFan]

To paint ALL of our military like that? The Abu Graib thing was an anomoly...and let be honest, worse happens in college during fraternity hazing. No condoning it, just putting it in perspective as a matter of degree.

But for God's sake for you to same something like this about our military being full of rapists?

Oh, great...now RWF is going to want the military to invade a college campus.

I'd like them to invade your mom's basement and thump you in the skull a few times.

[Monker]

And you're right , there's more rape goin on in our country , so why not help our people , instead of helping our enemies women ?!

And, that was my point. Anybody in this country who holds up 'rape in Iraq' as some kinda side benefit has a pretty sick mind.

[RossValoryRocks]

Oh, great...now RWF is going to want the military to invade a college campus.

ROFLMAO! Monker dude, that was actually REALLY funny!

[Monker]

It ain't all clean and neat and we're all probably better off the less we know.

Bullshit. If more people had a full, complete, picture of what 'war' is, perhaps it would not be so easy for a President to wrap himself in a flag, tell anybody who disagrees that they are unpatriotic, and get the people to support such a thing.

[RedWingFan]

:lol:

Too funny Jose. . Were those two evil ?! of course. But so are many insurgents who rape these women daily.
There's no mentioning of the state sanctioned rape rooms ,,, only a brief mention of the typical Arabian Palace Harems. Most those leaders in Arabian nations have those. Let's risk our troops lives to save those women shall we ?!

Dude you obviously prefer totalitarian states, where I prefer freedom. We'll just have to drop it at that.

Here's some more recollections of the good old days for you.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/art ... 1427.shtml

History Channel Records the Brutality of a Regime
NewsMax.com
Monday, July 7, 2003
When the History Channel producers decided to run with the brutal images and terrifying stories of “The Horrors of Hussein,” “Saddam Hussein: The Butcher of Baghdad,” and “The Sons of Saddam,” all currently showing, their mission was inspired and defined: “Almost daily, new stories of oppression are revealed about the atrocities of Saddam Hussein’s regime. Yet this information is often fragmented and overlooked in a flurry of constant breaking news.”
The History Channel fulfills its mission in an eye-widening series that details the full extent of the heinous crimes committed during Saddam’s rule. Featured in “Horrors” are interviews with Abdul Rasul al-Hayder, an Iraqi who was tortured repeatedly for 6 months while imprisoned for complaining about the food in the Baghdad University Student Union. Also on screen is Hazim Oraha, who was arrested and relentlessly tortured for exhibiting art in his gallery the regime deemed threatening. His gallery, assets and home were seized.

“Horrors” also ferrets out the things that forged Saddam’s aberrant character. He was a fan of Adolf Hitler and of Joseph Stalin. He read Joseph Stalin’s works and patterned much of his regime on Stalinist Soviet Union. Every aspect of his upbringing relentlessly contributed to the makeup of a person who was and perhaps still is incapable of feeling anyone’s pain – beginning with a mother that tried to murder him while still in the womb, turning away from him forever after his dreaded birth.

One of the most starling segments is the showing of a rare piece of film where Saddam calls the roll of his cabinet and asks an informer sharing the stage with him which members were conspiring against him. As they are identified, thugs drag them from the room. At the end of the most horrible parliamentary session imaginable, Saddam calmly tells the relieved remaining members that they will have the honor of personally acting as the firing squad for the executions to be carried out the next morning.


Along the way the mesmerized viewer is introduced to acid-drip machines in torture chambers, the mass public hangings of Jews Saddam claimed were “spies,” and grisly anecdotes of torture to induce false confessions -- with husbands forced to watch the raping of their wives, parents the gouging out of their children’s eyes, or the horrific image of a baby flung into a wall to shatter its skull.


More Horrors


After surviving an hour of Hussein’s horrors, the viewer this past Sunday evening was given the coup-de-grace with a second hour featuring the equally brutal sons of the deposed dictator.

The brothers, Odai and Qusay were partial to having prisoners forced to drink gasoline and then shot with incendiary bullets that ignited their bodies. Others were stripped naked, smeared with honey and tossed to starving dogs.

Odai when he was head of the Iraq National Olympic Committee used torture of the country’s athletes as a motivational technique.

The deranged behavior by the Husseins was extended not only to enemies of the regime but against family members and friends as well. The stories of Odai’s rage include spraying bullets into a Baghdad motorist who was guilty in his opinion of driving too slowly. It’s believed that Odai was the driving force behind the murders of his in-laws - Saddam Kamel Hassan, who was married to Odai’s sister, Rana, and Hussein Kamel Hassan, who married Odai’s eldest sister, Raghad.

According to the History Channel, Saddam committed his first murder at the tender age 10. His sons’ earliest memories are of visits with their father to various bloody torture chambers often painted red -- walls, ceilings and floors. In their adult years the brothers emulated their father by using stand-ins and doubles whose features were altered by plastic surgery.

The images ding at the viewer until the awful reality settles in: Saddam Hussein’s worst weapon of mass destruction was himself.

[Behshad]

:lol:

Too funny Jose. . Were those two evil ?! of course. But so are many insurgents who rape these women daily.
There's no mentioning of the state sanctioned rape rooms ,,, only a brief mention of the typical Arabian Palace Harems. Most those leaders in Arabian nations have those. Let's risk our troops lives to save those women shall we ?!

Dude you obviously prefer totalitarian states, where I prefer freedom. We'll just have to drop it at that.

How do you figure ?! There's many nations where the government screws the people over. How is it OUR responsibility to sacrifice our lives for THEIR freedom. Something they don't appreciate!
If you're that worried about FREEDOM in middle east , then by all means join the military and DO something about it. Your keystrokes behind a pc don't contribute.

[RossValoryRocks]

It ain't all clean and neat and we're all probably better off the less we know.

Bullshit. If more people had a full, complete, picture of what 'war' is, perhaps it would not be so easy for a President to wrap himself in a flag, tell anybody who disagrees that they are unpatriotic, and get the people to support such a thing.

I kind of agree with you on this, but only partly...I know you have never been in the military Monker, so you can't understand just how much War is a dirty business, always has been, and always will be and down in the trenches dirty things happen, and no they are never spoken of.

No matter if it was a "good war" such as WWI or WWII, there was STILL those dirty things going on, but we never heard about them.

War is hell. Period. No matter the reason, right or wrong for engaging in it.

[Monker]

:lol:

Too funny Jose. . Were those two evil ?! of course. But so are many insurgents who rape these women daily.
There's no mentioning of the state sanctioned rape rooms ,,, only a brief mention of the typical Arabian Palace Harems. Most those leaders in Arabian nations have those. Let's risk our troops lives to save those women shall we ?!

Dude you obviously prefer totalitarian states, where I prefer freedom. We'll just have to drop it at that.

There are 'totalitarian states' all over the world....some MUCH more of a security risk then Iraq. Should we invade those too? Why did you not critique W for invading Iraq rather then Cuba, or N. Korea, or China, or Russia? All of those are a lot more of a threat to this country then Iraq ever could be under Sadam.

[RossValoryRocks]

:lol:

Too funny Jose. . Were those two evil ?! of course. But so are many insurgents who rape these women daily.
There's no mentioning of the state sanctioned rape rooms ,,, only a brief mention of the typical Arabian Palace Harems. Most those leaders in Arabian nations have those. Let's risk our troops lives to save those women shall we ?!

Dude you obviously prefer totalitarian states, where I prefer freedom. We'll just have to drop it at that.

How do you figure ?! There's many nations where the government screws the people over. How is it OUR responsibility to sacrifice our lives for THEIR freedom. Something they don't appreciate!
If you're that worried about FREEDOM in middle east , then by all means join the military and DO something about it. Your keystrokes behind a pc don't contribute.

I did...going to rip into me B? What have YOU contributed? Did you serve? No...then fuck off.

[RedWingFan]

:lol:

Too funny Jose. . Were those two evil ?! of course. But so are many insurgents who rape these women daily.
There's no mentioning of the state sanctioned rape rooms ,,, only a brief mention of the typical Arabian Palace Harems. Most those leaders in Arabian nations have those. Let's risk our troops lives to save those women shall we ?!

Dude you obviously prefer totalitarian states, where I prefer freedom. We'll just have to drop it at that.

There are 'totalitarian states' all over the world....some MUCH more of a security risk then Iraq. Should we invade those too? Why did you not critique W for invading Iraq rather then Cuba, or N. Korea, or China, or Russia? All of those are a lot more of a threat to this country then Iraq ever could be under Sadam.

It's "than" Einstein. Because it was Iraq that was violating the resolutions they agreed to after the Gulf War.

[Monker]

How do you figure ?! There's many nations where the government screws the people over. How is it OUR responsibility to sacrifice our lives for THEIR freedom. Something they don't appreciate!

Because it is hindsight and an attempt to justify something that had no real justification at the time it was happening.

[RossValoryRocks]

There are 'totalitarian states' all over the world....some MUCH more of a security risk then Iraq. Should we invade those too? Why did you not critique W for invading Iraq rather then Cuba, or N. Korea, or China, or Russia? All of those are a lot more of a threat to this country then Iraq ever could be under Sadam.

Most of them wouldn't give material support to Islamic terrorism...

[Behshad]

RWF
Saddam killed on average 10000 Iraqis/year.
Since the war there's Stats of 108000 to 1033000 Iraqis dying during 8 years.
Even if you go by the lower number, that averages out to more than 10000/year.

[Behshad]

:lol:

Too funny Jose. . Were those two evil ?! of course. But so are many insurgents who rape these women daily.
There's no mentioning of the state sanctioned rape rooms ,,, only a brief mention of the typical Arabian Palace Harems. Most those leaders in Arabian nations have those. Let's risk our troops lives to save those women shall we ?!

Dude you obviously prefer totalitarian states, where I prefer freedom. We'll just have to drop it at that.

How do you figure ?! There's many nations where the government screws the people over. How is it OUR responsibility to sacrifice our lives for THEIR freedom. Something they don't appreciate!
If you're that worried about FREEDOM in middle east , then by all means join the military and DO something about it. Your keystrokes behind a pc don't contribute.

I did...going to rip into me B? What have YOU contributed? Did you serve? No...then fuck off.

I rip into you for your stupidity , not for serving our country.

[RedWingFan]

RWF
Saddam killed on average 10000 Iraqis/year.
Since the war there's Stats of 108000 to 1033000 Iraqis dying during 8 years.
Even if you go by the lower number, that averages out to more than 10000/year.

Did you get these figures from the same website that you cited for "prisoners claiming abuse" as an unbiased source?

[Behshad]

:lol:

Too funny Jose. . Were those two evil ?! of course. But so are many insurgents who rape these women daily.
There's no mentioning of the state sanctioned rape rooms ,,, only a brief mention of the typical Arabian Palace Harems. Most those leaders in Arabian nations have those. Let's risk our troops lives to save those women shall we ?!

Dude you obviously prefer totalitarian states, where I prefer freedom. We'll just have to drop it at that.

There are 'totalitarian states' all over the world....some MUCH more of a security risk then Iraq. Should we invade those too? Why did you not critique W for invading Iraq rather then Cuba, or N. Korea, or China, or Russia? All of those are a lot more of a threat to this country then Iraq ever could be under Sadam.

It's "than" Einstein. Because it was Iraq that was violating the resolutions they agreed to after the Gulf War.

Exactly HOW did they violate that. Oh that's right , all the WMDs we didn't find ?! And how come we named the war Operation Iraqi Freedom , if the true message started off as " war on terror " attack ?!

[Behshad]

RWF
Saddam killed on average 10000 Iraqis/year.
Since the war there's Stats of 108000 to 1033000 Iraqis dying during 8 years.
Even if you go by the lower number, that averages out to more than 10000/year.

Did you get these figures from the same website that you cited for "prisoners claiming abuse" as an unbiased source?

Let's go by YOUR source and say since the beginning of war only 12 Iraqis died. Things are totally different in your rainbow painted villa in Egypt close to that fancy river

[RedWingFan]

:lol:

Too funny Jose. . Were those two evil ?! of course. But so are many insurgents who rape these women daily.
There's no mentioning of the state sanctioned rape rooms ,,, only a brief mention of the typical Arabian Palace Harems. Most those leaders in Arabian nations have those. Let's risk our troops lives to save those women shall we ?!

Dude you obviously prefer totalitarian states, where I prefer freedom. We'll just have to drop it at that.

There are 'totalitarian states' all over the world....some MUCH more of a security risk then Iraq. Should we invade those too? Why did you not critique W for invading Iraq rather then Cuba, or N. Korea, or China, or Russia? All of those are a lot more of a threat to this country then Iraq ever could be under Sadam.

It's "than" Einstein. Because it was Iraq that was violating the resolutions they agreed to after the Gulf War.

Exactly HOW did they violate that. Oh that's right , all the WMDs we didn't find ?! And how come we named the war Operation Iraqi Freedom , if the true message started off as " war on terror " attack ?!

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2002/SC7564.doc.htm

[Behshad]

Happy , pappy ?!
http://foxnewswatchdog.com/?p=22936

[Behshad]

Funny how you expect Iraq to follow UNs rules , yet when UN advises us against invasion you give UN the middle finger

[RedWingFan]

Funny how you expect Iraq to follow UNs rules , yet when UN advises us against invasion you give UN the middle finger

Yeah, the resolution used the UN as an arbitor. If Saddam violated it, we had the right to go back in with or without UN approval.

Saddam violated the resolution, which gave us the right to go back in. Sorry.

[Behshad]

Funny how you expect Iraq to follow UNs rules , yet when UN advises us against invasion you give UN the middle finger

Yeah, the resolution used the UN as an arbitor. If Saddam violated it, we had the right to go back in with or without UN approval.

Saddam violated the resolution, which gave us the right to go back in. Sorry.

If we invade a country based on our own ideas , then we are breaking UNs laws. You suggest UN is only good when it's to our benefit.

And with your logic , this is how it'd be in a school :

The teacher tells student John that he needs to follow the school rules or he'll face the consequences. Student James suggests to the teacher " Johnny hasn't been following your rules , um well I think he hasn't not sure. "
Teachers tells James " I'll deal with John , let me find out if there's truth in your accusations"
James goes " fuck you teacher , I'm gonna punish him with or without you cause I THINK John isn't following your rules "

[Angel]

Happy pappy!

I once painted that on the wall of an exam room!!!

(no, really, I did!)

[Behshad]

Happy pappy!

I once painted that on the wall of an exam room!!!

(no, really, I did!)

RWF : " prove it "

[RedWingFan]

Funny how you expect Iraq to follow UNs rules , yet when UN advises us against invasion you give UN the middle finger

Yeah, the resolution used the UN as an arbitor. If Saddam violated it, we had the right to go back in with or without UN approval.
Saddam violated the resolution, which gave us the right to go back in. Sorry.

And with your logic , this is how it'd be in a school :

The teacher tells student John that he needs to follow the school rules or he'll face the consequences. Student James suggests to the teacher " Johnny hasn't been following your rules , um well I think he hasn't not sure. "
Teachers tells James " I'll deal with John , let me find out if there's truth in your accusations"
James goes " fuck you teacher , I'm gonna punish him with or without you cause I THINK John isn't following your rules "

Uh, nice try. But that analogy is wrong. Here's the proper analogy.

A big kid (Saddam) beats on a smaller kid (Kuwait) to take all his stuff. The biggest kid (U.S.) comes in and pulls the big kid (Saddam) off the smaller kid (Kuwait) and starts beating the shit out of the bully. The bully pleads with the teacher to save him. The teacher asks the biggest kid to stop pummelling the bully. We agree with the stipulation that if this kid acts up again, we're going to come right back and kick his ass again. We also ask the teacher to help monitor the bully to make sure he's not acting up. The teacher blows the whistle, and it's on again. THAT IS THE PROPER ANALOGY!!!

[Angel]

Happy pappy!

I once painted that on the wall of an exam room!!!

(no, really, I did!)

RWF : " prove it "

Haha! I actually think I have a pic somewhere...I'll have to check...would that be sufficent proof?

[Behshad]

Happy pappy!

I once painted that on the wall of an exam room!!!

(no, really, I did!)

RWF : " prove it "

Haha! I actually think I have a pic somewhere...I'll have to check...would that be sufficent proof?

RWF : " only if it's from an unbiased source "

[RedWingFan]

Happy pappy!

I once painted that on the wall of an exam room!!!

(no, really, I did!)

RWF : " prove it "

Haha! I actually think I have a pic somewhere...I'll have to check...would that be sufficent proof?

RWF : " only if it's from an unbiased source "

At least it is provable. Natalie prove that you haven't ever painted "die bitch die" on the wall of an exam room. Behshad expects you to be able to.

[Angel]

Natalie prove that you haven't ever painted "die bitch die" on the wall of an exam room.

[Angel]

Haha! I DO have a pic of it...sorry it's a little difficult to see but it wasn't the main subject of the pic. (Click on pic for better "proof")