Thoughts On "Mother, Father"?

[Jeremey]

LOL, I don't even know how to respond to that.

I stand by my opinion that I prefer Perry's later voice than I do his earlier voice. Why I deserve a little beat down from you for that opinion, I have no idea. Oh well, if I spent all my time worrying about what assholes on the Internet thought about me, I'd have to just quit my job. Cheers tho, and thanks for sharing!

[parfait]

LOL, I don't even know how to respond to that.

I stand by my opinion that I prefer Perry's later voice than I do his earlier voice. Why I deserve a little beat down from you for that opinion, I have no idea. Oh well, if I spent all my time worrying about what assholes on the Internet thought about me, I'd have to just quit my job. Cheers tho, and thanks for sharing!

Take a chill pill. We voiced our opinion just as you did.

[Jeremey]

LOL, I don't even know how to respond to that.

I stand by my opinion that I prefer Perry's later voice than I do his earlier voice. Why I deserve a little beat down from you for that opinion, I have no idea. Oh well, if I spent all my time worrying about what assholes on the Internet thought about me, I'd have to just quit my job. Cheers tho, and thanks for sharing!

Take a chill pill. We voiced our opinion just as you did.

Ah, fuck off. U know goddamned well those comments had nothing to do with the subject of this thread. Just more Internet pussy bullshit.

[Michigan Girl]

LOL, I don't even know how to respond to that.

I stand by my opinion that I prefer Perry's later voice than I do his earlier voice. Why I deserve a little beat down from you for that opinion, I have no idea. Oh well, if I spent all my time worrying about what assholes on the Internet thought about me, I'd have to just quit my job. Cheers tho, and thanks for sharing!

Take a chill pill. We voiced our opinion just as you did.

No, CinnKid insulted Jeremey and his opinion and then posted his
own opinion ...he even signed himself The Asshole Guy ...he's very perceptive!!

[parfait]

LOL, I don't even know how to respond to that.

I stand by my opinion that I prefer Perry's later voice than I do his earlier voice. Why I deserve a little beat down from you for that opinion, I have no idea. Oh well, if I spent all my time worrying about what assholes on the Internet thought about me, I'd have to just quit my job. Cheers tho, and thanks for sharing!

Take a chill pill. We voiced our opinion just as you did.

Ah, fuck off. U know goddamned well those comments had nothing to do with the subject of this thread. Just more Internet pussy bullshit.

Drop the passive aggressiveness, Trudy. You didn't get a "little beat down". Cinkidd's comment was completely legitimate.

[cinkidd]

MG I did not come in here to insult anybody, but you are right and I did. I owe and apology to Steve Perry for making fun of his nose, Steve, I'm sorry for that. Please forgive me.

Jeremey, I did not give you a little beat down, I stated my opinion about your singing voice in regards to your statement about how you felt about Steve Perry's voice on this particular track. If you felt that you were beat down, that is on you. Not sure if you have people surrounding you who do nothing but "sing" your praises about how close your voice is to Steve Perry's but in my opinion, it is not close. It is good for what you are currently doing. Yes, I do know that you were hired by Journey to replace Jeff Scott Soto and I also know that for whatever reason be it yours or Journey's you never released an album or sung live before an audience (paying customers) with the rest of the band. I again am just stating my opinion of your singing style in regards to your performances trying to sing like Perry.

I will go on record and say that I never from the first moment that I heard Augeri thought that he was a good replacement for Perry. Why? His voice was nowhere near as strong as Perry's nor did it carry the emotive qualities that Perry's did/does. However, Augeri was the right person for the job, he was/is a good front man had the charisma (albeit again not as good as Perry's) that you want in a lead singer. My wife who could never tell Augeri from Perry thought that they sounded just alike for the longest time, until one day she played the 2001 DVD all the way through and then played 1981 Escape DVD right after. THEN she heard the difference, and omg what a difference it is.

I did go on to post about how I felt about the track Mother Father and how I liked it, and how I preferred a different performance of a different song.

I'm not trying to beat anybody down or insult anybody. I tried to add a bit of levity to my statements by stating that opinions are like assholes. And I just knew that somebody would not get the difference and that is why I signed it like I did. Never do I think of myself as an asshole, but others will think that of a person who has a strong differing opinion of their own. So in close to MG I have apologized to the only person that I insulted in my original post, and to Jeremey I wish you nothing but the best.

Rich the Best Guy

[Michigan Girl]

MG I did not come in here to insult anybody, but you are right and I did.

I know!!


Signed: Michigan Girl~ The~ I only hold a grudge for about a year, girl!!

[wednesday's child]

Cinkidd's comment was completely legitimate.

Are you for real? He went off-topic by critiqueing Jeremy's vocals.

If you dig Mother Father and the vocals on it, fine. Ditto if you don't,
but even THEN there's a line between expressing a preference or
non-preference for a certain performance... and taking a critical
dump all over one.

Pigfuckers...

[Michigan Girl]

Pigfuckers...

I am LMAO!!

[cinkidd]

Cinkidd's comment was completely legitimate.

Are you for real? He went off-topic by critiqueing Jeremy's vocals.

If you dig Mother Father and the vocals on it, fine. Ditto if you don't,
but even THEN there's a line between expressing a preference or
non-preference for a certain performance... and taking a critical
dump all over one.

Pigfuckers...

So let me get this right it is okay for somebody to critique the lyrics of the song in question,

the chorus sounds a little overly theatrical

and it is okay for that same somebody to express a preference about the original singers vocal stylings at the time,

I still felt that during that era his voice was a little too high for my preference then

but don't let anybody say anything about the way that person goes about making a living trying to replicate said song and singer.

Really?

If I'm a Pigfucker for that, then bring on the pig. At least I stated my opinion and have stood by it.

Rich the Pigfucker

[parfait]

Cinkidd's comment was completely legitimate.

Are you for real? He went off-topic by critiqueing Jeremy's vocals.

If you dig Mother Father and the vocals on it, fine. Ditto if you don't,
but even THEN there's a line between expressing a preference or
non-preference for a certain performance... and taking a critical
dump all over one.

Pigfuckers...

Yeah, I am for real.

So why don't you lotion yourself up in some jasmine and patchouli scented cream, put on that Best of Cher record you love so much, and go shove a dozen anal beads up your ass, Margaret. It was a sound argument, one which I happened to agree with it.

[Rockindeano]

Man, look at Cinnkid come out of nowhere with pigfucker smack, and Parfait answering right back! Awesome.

[Author2]

Cinkidd's comment was completely legitimate.

Are you for real? He went off-topic by critiqueing Jeremy's vocals.

If you dig Mother Father and the vocals on it, fine. Ditto if you don't,
but even THEN there's a line between expressing a preference or
non-preference for a certain performance... and taking a critical
dump all over one.

Pigfuckers...

The comment seems perfectly legit. For a guy, who spends his time making money off be a "Perry sound-alike," his remark was rather odd. I believe he, too, has stated that he didn't care for Journey music. Gee, I thought artist, like Perry did, did music for the love of it, but I guess a $ is a $.

[wednesday's child]

Since you don't seem to be aware: "pigfuckers" is a literal translation from Tagalog
of an epithet sometimes used in Zambales; an expression of exasperation.

Yes, Hunsicker makes a living singing Journey songs.
That said, his performing choice of vocal style and method (not to mention factors not within
his choice) don't have to be in lockstep with his personal LISTENING preference, especially
since as a performer, he has to place weight on what the paying audience wants to hear.

Jeremey's not the biggest fan of the song. That doesn't mean he won't sing it for a living, nor
that he hates it. He also offered his LISTENING preference for Perry's later voice, but that
doesn't mean he's not going to sing songs closer to an early-Perry voice.

If you found it curious why his singing style diverged from his listening preference, then you
could have asked, just as simply as he stated his preferences, why the divergence, without
dubious resort to dismissing his voice "weak" or "too high" (off tune?!) --which are irrelevant
to the curiosity of divergence between his preference and his performance.

If you can't fathom why he'd take your descriptions of his voice less than cheerfully, then
there's no point trying to explain further.

Yeah, I am for real.
So why don't you lotion yourself up in some jasmine and patchouli scented cream, put on that Best of Cher record you love so much, and go shove a dozen anal beads up your ass, Margaret.

No thanks.
I acknowledge your colorful familiarity with such pastimes, lol.

It was a sound argument, one which I happened to agree with it.

It could have been a sound QUESTION, but was ruined by unnecessary irrelevances.

The comment seems perfectly legit. For a guy, who spends his time making money off be a "Perry sound-alike," his remark was rather odd. I believe he, too, has stated that he didn't care for Journey music. Gee, I thought artist, like Perry did, did music for the love of it, but I guess a $ is a $.

See above.
Personal listening preference is one thing.
Performance in the context of a tribute band (and perhaps own physiology) can
legitimately be quite another.

[Jeremey]

Haha, so let me get this straight...

Because I sing Journey songs for a living I cannot have an opinion on whether or not I prefer a particular song, a particular singing style, or a particular era of the band. To do so is inexcusably inappropriate, because MY voice is weak, high, and nasally. Somehow this is all relevant and makes sense....Ok....

However, when I then in turn state MY opinion, I am unable to state an opinion, because hey, you were just stating an opinion, and therefore I can't have an opinion on your opinion, because that's somehow passive aggressive (haha, nice joke cheesehead) and overreacting to someone just stating an opinion, even though it completely had nothing to do with the subject of the thread, right! LOL, yep sounds like Melodicrock.com....C'mon cinkidd, you're a little late to the party, don't you think?

Some of y'all are FUUUUUCKED UUUUP, haha!!

[Jeremey]

The comment seems perfectly legit. For a guy, who spends his time making money off be a "Perry sound-alike," his remark was rather odd. I believe he, too, has stated that he didn't care for Journey music. Gee, I thought artist, like Perry did, did music for the love of it, but I guess a $ is a $.

For a guy who makes money off of singing Journey songs, it seems odd to have an opinion or a preference for a particular song of the band. Uhmmmm....Okay. Are you for real?

BTW, I said I don't LISTEN to Journey music, not that I don't LIKE Journey music. Big difference. I SING Journey songs for a living, hours and hours of singing per week, every week of the year. Forgive me if I don't pop in a copy of Escape every time I run to the goddamned grocery store.

[cinkidd]

Jeremey you stated in your first post that you felt like Perry's voice (at that time) was too high for your preference, right? I sated that in my opinion your voice is not only high, but has lots of nasal in it, also your voice is weak compared to Perry's.

Now for three questions:
1. When you are preforming are you singing higher than Perry did? In my opinion you do.
2. Do you have more nasal in your voice than Perry did? Again in my opinion you do.
3. Is your voice anywhere near as powerful as Perry? If you answer yes on this one, you are lying to yourself and everybody knows it.

Now you opened the door about vocals when you gave us your opinion, I just stated mine. So you are allowed to do so, and I am allowed to do so, so long as it is not about your vocals. I can see why, after all you use MR as a place of advertisement for your shows.

I also seem to recall in my original post as saying that you are a nice guy who has had to put up with a lot of shit on these boards, and that still has not changed even after being called a cheesehead and pigfucker (not by you.) I think that you thought I was continuing that theme when in reality I was amazed at your statement regarding Perry's voice and how it sounded to you. I even asked "have you listened to your voice" and the reason for this is because nobody sounds like their voice really sounds like, and that can get lost on people from time to time.

So, if you can take a moment to honestly answer the three questions above and you have a different answer than mine, I'm willing to hear you out, but if you wish to continue to feel like you are being picked on or thrown under the bus, then it is on you. I'm here stating an opinion in response to your opinion about vocals.

Oh, btw, I did go on in my original post and make my opinion of Mother, Father known, just as you did. We both chose to include other opinions in our responses.

Rich the Pigfucking Cheesehead Guy

[annie89509]

...just another night of peaceful tranquility in Journeyland...lol!

[Jeremey]

In reading your post, it's almost like I get the impression that you know nothing about singing at all! LOL....So with respect to that and everyone else who stated their opinions about the song, "Mother Father" (a critique of the song, not the vocals, duh...), let me just say:


I know I'm in the minority but it's not one of my favorites...the chorus sounds a little overly theatrical, and while Perry's voice is amazing on the song, I still felt that during that era his voice was a little too high for my preference then.

LOL...give me a fuckin' break....



PS: One thing I would address is the assertion that I am only here to promote Frontiers.

1) I've been here on MR since before Frontiers existed, under a previous screen name than my own even!
2) I meet maybe 3 new people from MR every year at the shows we do. I have no disillusion that this is a great market to promote my band, LOL.
3) Despite #2, we still seem to do just fine...
4) I regularly engage in normal conversation around here. Inevitably some jackoff has to pick a fight for me every now and then, and I just give up on trying to hang with the cool people around here, and revert to just "promoting my band" a couple times a month. Then I'll start talking as the fan I've been for the past 8 years after that blows over. Ands I seem to notice there's other bands and members around here that have been here far less than me and promote far more than me as a percentage of contributions to the general dialog around here....why the double standard?

Anyway....go get some singing lessons then feel qualified to give your opinion on anything around here. That seems to be the standard you're holding me to....

[G.I.Jim]

Lol!!!

[cinkidd]

In reading your post, it's almost like I get the impression that you know nothing about singing at all! LOL....So with respect to that and everyone else who stated their opinions about the song, "Mother Father" (a critique of the song, not the vocals, duh...), let me just say:


I know I'm in the minority but it's not one of my favorites...the chorus sounds a little overly theatrical, and while Perry's voice is amazing on the song, I still felt that during that era his voice was a little too high for my preference then.

LOL...give me a fuckin' break....



PS: One thing I would address is the assertion that I am only here to promote Frontiers.

1) I've been here on MR since before Frontiers existed, under a previous screen name than my own even!
2) I meet maybe 3 new people from MR every year at the shows we do. I have no disillusion that this is a great market to promote my band, LOL.
3) Despite #2, we still seem to do just fine...
4) I regularly engage in normal conversation around here. Inevitably some jackoff has to pick a fight for me every now and then, and I just give up on trying to hang with the cool people around here, and revert to just "promoting my band" a couple times a month. Then I'll start talking as the fan I've been for the past 8 years after that blows over. Ands I seem to notice there's other bands and members around here that have been here far less than me and promote far more than me as a percentage of contributions to the general dialog around here....why the double standard?

Anyway....go get some singing lessons then feel qualified to give your opinion on anything around here. That seems to be the standard you're holding me to....

Jeremey where did you get "I am only here to promote Frontiers", that was never ever stated. I said that you advertise your events here and I did not say you were wrong for doing that. Don't add more into what I'm saying, take my words directly and use them.

While I admit that I know nothing as to the technical aspect of "singing" professionally, I do know what I like to hear and what sounds good to me. I'm pretty sure that I'm an expert on what sounds good to me. You have now taken the posts to all new levels, cheeseheads, jackoff, picking fights and on and on. I seems to me that you are purposely trying to make a mountain out of a very tiny anthill.

I stand by my opinions about your voice and challenge you to honestly answer my three questions.

If you got any questions of me, I'm willing to answer them. I've watched every video post you have posted here for the past three years, I've even gone to your blog page that you used to post too (Rolling way the stone.) If you want somebody to try and make you out to be a villain or a horrible person, I'm not that guy. But I will stand by my opinions just as you hopefully stand by yours.

Rich the Pigfucking Cheeseheaded Jackoff Guy

[parfait]

Haha, so let me get this straight...

Because I sing Journey songs for a living I cannot have an opinion on whether or not I prefer a particular song, a particular singing style, or a particular era of the band. To do so is inexcusably inappropriate, because MY voice is weak, high, and nasally. Somehow this is all relevant and makes sense....Ok....

However, when I then in turn state MY opinion, I am unable to state an opinion, because hey, you were just stating an opinion, and therefore I can't have an opinion on your opinion, because that's somehow passive aggressive (haha, nice joke cheesehead) and overreacting to someone just stating an opinion, even though it completely had nothing to do with the subject of the thread, right! LOL, yep sounds like Melodicrock.com....C'mon cinkidd, you're a little late to the party, don't you think?

Some of y'all are FUUUUUCKED UUUUP, haha!!

Of course you're allowed to state your opinion, just at Cinkidd and me did. Cinkidd was being pretty god damn polite about it too. You however comes of as pretentious passive aggressive bitch, who gets her panties in a bunch when just the smallest critique hits you or your voice. Dude, you're a fucking tribute singer.

Take your zolofts, and get a grip.

[Michigan Girl]

Parfait ...you need to have a drink, eat a donut and smoke a cigarette ...you're so healthy!!

[StevePerryHair]

Parfait ...you need to have a drink, eat a donut and smoke a cigarette ...you're so healthy!!

Nah, I am choking on these words....but he's right! Jeremey can't take any criticism. Everyone has to like him or he assumes it's something personal and can't just accept not everyone will like his voice or style. While I appreciate he's not a complete "imitator" I know what they are saying. I will only get labeled a hater anyway. But its my opinion. But that's great he started his own "fantastic" YouTube so everyone can build him back up again. my whole thing is, if he's doing what he loves, selling tickets, and making money, why work so hard to prove himself here to a few who just don't care for his style?

[Michigan Girl]

Parfait ...you need to have a drink, eat a donut and smoke a cigarette ...you're so healthy!!

Nah, I am choking on these words....but he's right! Jeremey can't take any criticism. Everyone has to like him or he assumes it's something personal and can't just accept not everyone will like his voice or style. While I appreciate he's not a complete "imitator" I know what they are saying. I will only get labeled a hater anyway. But its my opinion. But that's great he started his own "fantastic" YouTube so everyone can build him back up again. my whole thing is, if he's doing what he loves, selling tickets, and making money, why work so hard to prove himself here to a few who just don't care for his style?

The criticism isn't the point, though ...it's the way it was handled

Sure cinkid can have his opinion just like anyone else, you know I support that ...it's the way he came out of left field almost
looking for a reason to be critical, which is fine!! It's also fine, as far as I'm concerned, to point out that cinkid came out of
left field with that comment and several of us did ...cinkid is just going to have to accept that and so is Parfait ...you too!!

You know I always appreciate your viewpoint, though ...and I love it when you're you!!

[StevePerryHair]

Parfait ...you need to have a drink, eat a donut and smoke a cigarette ...you're so healthy!!

Nah, I am choking on these words....but he's right! Jeremey can't take any criticism. Everyone has to like him or he assumes it's something personal and can't just accept not everyone will like his voice or style. While I appreciate he's not a complete "imitator" I know what they are saying. I will only get labeled a hater anyway. But its my opinion. But that's great he started his own "fantastic" YouTube so everyone can build him back up again. my whole thing is, if he's doing what he loves, selling tickets, and making money, why work so hard to prove himself here to a few who just don't care for his style?

The criticism isn't the point, though ...it's the way it was handled

Sure cinkid can have his opinion just like anyone else, you know I support that ...it's the way he came out of left field almost
looking for a reason to be critical, which is fine!! It's also fine, as far as I'm concerned, to point out that cinkid came out of
left field with that comment and several of us did ...cinkid is just going to have to accept that and so is Parfait ...you too!!

I didn't see it as left field. He was just expressing something he feels. Has there been all kinds of bad blood between him and Jeremey in the past that we can use that as proof he was just trying to start something? Because I don't remember any Jeremey/Cinkidd battles. I could be wrong. I think you can say that in a case when someone is going after someone all the time, or there are personal issues, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. So I don't see how that is an argument.

And I don't have to accept anything.

[Michigan Girl]

No battles that I'm aware of, just a blindsided sucker punch ...sort of like, "Cinkidd I appreciate your opinion on
MF, but your sig is always so stupid!!" <<<<kind of like that

[StevePerryHair]

No battles that I'm aware of, just a blindsided sucker punch ...sort of like, "Cinkidd I appreciate your opinion on
MF, but your sig is always so stupid!!" <<<<kind of like that

I don't call an honest opinion about someone's voice a sucker punch though. It was an observation and his post wasn't all bad. If Jeremey is going to come here to promote his stuff, he needs to be able to face the heat that not everyone will enjoy what he has to offer. He gets so angry and shows a side to himself that most would rather not see. And honestly, he even more so comes off as completely insecure. Honestly, it would help Jeremey to see how it all comes off from the outside. Good he has you in his corner to do his sparring though

[StevePerryHair]

BTW MG, Jeremey criticized SP's voice for being too high, so cinkidd was merely stating that he felt Jeremey's voice was the one that was too high. Also saying he feels bad for him that he gets so much grief on the boards. How is THAT a sucker punch

[Saint John]

It all boils down to this comment:

" ... your voice has always come across as a little too high for me and with lots of nasal (which is kinda of funny if you think about Perry's nose) and weak."



Is this a dig/insult or is it an honest opinion? I think it's the latter ... and I don't know this Rich dude from Moses. But, to be fair, no one really wants to hear negative opinions and it was a bit off topic (which happens often). Let's call it a draw and move on.