Comic fans: The Dark Knight Rises

[YoungJRNY]

With RIP already posting the Captain America and Spiderman bits, Christopher Nolan has finally spilled the beans on the villain in the next Batman movie. Anne Hathaway will put on the Cat-suite and suite up as Catwoman! Me, personally, she was high on my list to play Lois Lane in the new re-boot set for 2012 Superman: Man of Steel but Hathaway was a steal for this movie! Also, Tom Hardy will play Bane! (who broke Batman's back in the 90's after the Death of Superman arc.)

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[brandonx76]

With RIP already posting the Captain America and Spiderman bits, Christopher Nolan has finally spilled the beans on the villain in the next Batman movie. Anne Hathaway will put on the Cat-suite and suite up as Catwoman! Me, personally, she was high on my list to play Lois Lane in the new re-boot set for 2012 Superman: Man of Steel but Hathaway was a steal for this movie! Also, Tom Hardy will play Bane! (who broke Batman's back in the 90's after the Death of Superman arc.)

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I can't help but feel let down here...I think dark knight just set the bar so damn high....cat woman...meh

[brywool]

With RIP already posting the Captain America and Spiderman bits, Christopher Nolan has finally spilled the beans on the villain in the next Batman movie. Anne Hathaway will put on the Cat-suite and suite up as Catwoman! Me, personally, she was high on my list to play Lois Lane in the new re-boot set for 2012 Superman: Man of Steel but Hathaway was a steal for this movie! Also, Tom Hardy will play Bane! (who broke Batman's back in the 90's after the Death of Superman arc.)

http://blog.movies.yahoo.com/blog/435-a ... elina-kyle

Maybe it's me, but man... Julie Newmar will ALWAYS be the Catwoman. Man!


Halle Barry and Michele Pfifer weren't fit to clean out her litterbox.

Bane AND Catwoman...? I really hated in the Keaton/Kilmer/Clooney movies where they'd have too many villians going on. Why? Just focus on one. Dark Knight was good in that it solved had The Joker and the origin of Two-Face (remember when TF was going to be Lando Calrissian???), but still, those other flicks had way too much going on.

umm...
wow...

how much of a geek am I?

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[Rip Rokken]

Thanks for the info, YJ! I can't say I like this choice either, but trust that they know what they're doing. Really hope they get a clue and drop the stupid pro-wrestler Bat-Voice this time around.

If they do Bane, hope he comes off better than the first time.

[Everett]

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[brywool]

Really hope they get a clue and drop the stupid pro-wrestler Bat-Voice this time around.

Definitely.


I like THIS Christian Bale voice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70r-Ca8wcVg

[verslibre]

Thumbs-up to having Bane in the next film. I'm not sure about Hardy playing him, but Nolan likes the guy.

Hathaway as...Catwoman. I don't know. Nolan is the MAN, but this could be his first major misstep. I thought we weren't going to have any "unrealistic" repeat characters like Penguin?

My guess is Nolan's take on Catwoman will be (should be) very different from what we've seen before.

[YoungJRNY]

With RIP already posting the Captain America and Spiderman bits, Christopher Nolan has finally spilled the beans on the villain in the next Batman movie. Anne Hathaway will put on the Cat-suite and suite up as Catwoman! Me, personally, she was high on my list to play Lois Lane in the new re-boot set for 2012 Superman: Man of Steel but Hathaway was a steal for this movie! Also, Tom Hardy will play Bane! (who broke Batman's back in the 90's after the Death of Superman arc.)

http://blog.movies.yahoo.com/blog/435-a ... elina-kyle

Maybe it's me, but man... Julie Newmar will ALWAYS be the Catwoman. Man!


Halle Barry and Michele Pfifer weren't fit to clean out her litterbox.

Bane AND Catwoman...? I really hated in the Keaton/Kilmer/Clooney movies where they'd have too many villians going on. Why? Just focus on one. Dark Knight was good in that it solved had The Joker and the origin of Two-Face (remember when TF was going to be Lando Calrissian???), but still, those other flicks had way too much going on.

umm...
wow...

how much of a geek am I?

Let's talk about Star Trek next![/img]

I'm proud to be a geek! Comics have been apart of me ever since childhood. I need to grab the last 3 Superman issue's since it's a mess right now, but if you want to read a different tale on Superman's Origin, grab Superman: Earth One. Fantastic re-telling of the story and it won some awards and brought in tons of money for the industry. Right now, there's too many tie-ins to comics and they are as confusing as EVER because they force you to know so much backstory and the prices are out of hand but I only follow Supes at the moment.

[G.I.Jim]

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That's not what your mom said!

[brandonx76]

Hathaway as...Catwoman. I don't know. Nolan is the MAN, but this could be his first before misstep . . .

I remember thinking something similar when I heard Heath Ledger was going to play the joker, and we know how that turned out. We shall see

[Saint John]

Maybe it's me, but man... Julie Newmar will ALWAYS be the Catwoman. Man!


Halle Barry and Michele Pfifer weren't fit to clean out her litterbox.

[brywool]

I'm proud to be a geek! Comics have been apart of me ever since childhood. I need to grab the last 3 Superman issue's since it's a mess right now, but if you want to read a different tale on Superman's Origin, grab Superman: Earth One. Fantastic re-telling of the story and it won some awards and brought in tons of money for the industry. Right now, there's too many tie-ins to comics and they are as confusing as EVER because they force you to know so much backstory and the prices are out of hand but I only follow Supes at the moment.

They've done so much retooling, etc. that they're practically not the same characters. Some of em aren't (how many Robins are we up to now??).
You know, one cool thing about the comics is the Art. Alex Ross is SUCH a great comic artist. I'd love to be able to do the artwork that he does. Check out his stuff: http://alexrossart.com/ great artist.

So they're also redoing the Superman movies? Better be better than the last one. It sucked even worse than the Richard Prior Superman one. God, the last movie was just so bad. There are some things that they should take from Smallville (the earlier seasons with Lex) and they should let that kid play Superman. He's good at it.

[Rip Rokken]

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capt. picard is better then capt. kirk

There is only one factor by which a man can judge between 2 starship captains, and that is, "Which one would kick the other's ass?" Hands down, it would be Kirk.

[verslibre]

There is only one factor by which a man can judge between 2 starship captains, and that is, "Which one would kick the other's ass?" Hands down, it would be Kirk.

Plus, it's not like Picard came off particularly tough at the end of Generations — though that's due to the shitty script (not to mention the shittiest movie in the entire franchise).

Btw, I was just watching the Manila show on Palladia. You're hard to miss in that yellow shirt!

[Rip Rokken]

There is only one factor by which a man can judge between 2 starship captains, and that is, "Which one would kick the other's ass?" Hands down, it would be Kirk.

Plus, it's not like Picard came off particularly tough at the end of Generations — though that's due to the shitty script (not to mention the shittiest movie in the entire franchise).

Btw, I was just watching the Manila show on Palladia. You're hard to miss in that yellow shirt!

The very point of the shirt, lol. Trust me, it wasn't about making a fashion statement. If they film a DVD in Chile this year, expect me to up the ante.

[YoungJRNY]

"brywool"
Some of em aren't (how many Robins are we up to now??)

Comics nowadays get more complexing by the day. Right now, Bruce Wayne just came back from the dead (from Final Crisis, was stuck in a time-force and had to find his way back through time and riddle his way from the first timeline of Earth, to current Earth time) and has been away for quite some time, which meant Dick Grayson (the original Robin and Nightwing) took over the cowl and was Batman for a long time. There is also 2 other Robins. Robin and Red Hood, who are named Jason Todd and Tim Drake. I don't follow Batman much but read up on the board once in awhile.

You know, one cool thing about the comics is the Art. Alex Ross is SUCH a great comic artist. I'd love to be able to do the artwork that he does. Check out his stuff: http://alexrossart.com/ great artist.

Tell me about it! Alex Ross's art is so real that it literally jumps off the page with realism and certainly has it's own personality. You can literally feel the bodies and pureness of his art through his pages. Amazing, amazing talent. Action Comics is a Superman Title, and Superman hasn't been in it for a total YEAR. So, Lex Luthor took it over and Superman Returns in #900, which is a couple issues away. Ross did a variant cover, which is a beaut:

So they're also redoing the Superman movies? Better be better than the last one.

Don't get me started on Superman Returns. It literally made me sick in the stomach due to the fact it was SO bland and so nostalgic that I literally had to go out and check the poster in the hallway to see if I was watching a movie in 2006 and not 1978! They even had the same lines as the first couple films, and played Reeve's performance so close to the vest that Routh didn't have a chance to do his own take.

It received a huge backlash, from the lazy plot, to the terrible cast, and to the nauseating attempt to catch magic from the Donner-years. So, WB let it be known that a new Superman reboot will take place and that it will be kind of grungier and will model off the Batman series, which means there will be NO connection to the Reeve take on Superman and it will stand alone as a new era. I'm fired up and all Superman fans rejoiced.

[verslibre]

Pfffft. They need to retire the Supershit. For at least a couple decades.

There are MANY characters WB/DC can exploit for the screen. I don't get this reboot nonsense.

[verslibre]

There is only one factor by which a man can judge between 2 starship captains, and that is, "Which one would kick the other's ass?" Hands down, it would be Kirk.

Plus, it's not like Picard came off particularly tough at the end of Generations — though that's due to the shitty script (not to mention the shittiest movie in the entire franchise).

Btw, I was just watching the Manila show on Palladia. You're hard to miss in that yellow shirt!

The very point of the shirt, lol. Trust me, it wasn't about making a fashion statement. If they film a DVD in Chile this year, expect me to up the ante.

I think you should wear one of those rainbow-colored afros they sell at TRU...the Laffro, isn't it?

You're going to go to Chile if they film another DVD? What exactly do you do again? Must be something to do with stocks, Wall Street, poker, etc.

[artist4perry]

Awesome artwork. My students have to make up a Marvel Comic book Character every year. They have to design costumes, villains, and comic book cover. It is one of their most favorite projects!

[YoungJRNY]

Pfffft. They need to retire the Supershit. For at least a couple decades.

There are MANY characters WB/DC can exploit for the screen. I don't get this reboot nonsense.

Why? They re-booted the Bat franchise to the modern day era and it was a huge success, let alone one of the best buyrates in cinema history with "The Dark Knight." As far as re-boots in general, they are now just re-booting Spiderman's series when the Spidey franchise just came off of 3 HUGE successful movies. They also moved in different direction with the X-men movies as well, doing a prequel for Wolverine and what not.

Superman hasn't had a good movie since 1978 and the last Reeve movie was in 1984. So that's 28 years without a good movie when Superman Returns came out in '06 and 22 years since the last Superman movie since '06. Since Superman Returns bombed so bad (thanks Bryan Singer) then that forced WB to actually focus on different and uplifting character like your wish, like Batman, Green Lantern, the rumored Aqua man, Green Hornet and now the Flash, let alone Wonder Woman's movie getting pushed to a T.V series. So, since 2006, the Super franchise hasn't been given the respect it deserves and won't have another movie until 2012, 6 more years on top of it. If anything, Superman needs to be showcased as a compete badass he deserves to be in the cinema, for once. After all, he is DC's head honcho and biggest money making super-hero of all time, let alone the face of all super-heros that has ever been created.

[Rip Rokken]

You're going to go to Chile if they film another DVD? What exactly do you do again? Must be something to do with stocks, Wall Street, poker, etc.

No, going either way, as long as they announce an official gig date in time to make a decent plan. Haven't had a real trip since MR Fest II, and have been stockpiling trip funds ever since.

[verslibre]

Pfffft. They need to retire the Supershit. For at least a couple decades.

There are MANY characters WB/DC can exploit for the screen. I don't get this reboot nonsense.

Why? They re-booted the Bat franchise to the modern day era and it was a huge success, let alone one of the best buyrates in cinema history with "The Dark Knight." As far as re-boots in general, they are now just re-booting Spiderman's series when the Spidey franchise just came off of 3 HUGE successful movies.

I could be a goofball and say "Batman is a far cooler character than Superman." But I won't. Batman and Iron Man are characters made (and can be unmade) by their personal attributes and technological developments — not something fantastical or supernatural-mystical (Thor), though the latter is also cool (Dr. Strange would be awesome on the silver screen). Captain America is another not-quite-regular-guy hero. Green Lantern is also technically a SF character in my book, being who he is by way of the powers of his GL ring. Spider-Man is another character with universal appeal. All of these characters have been around for the better part of a century. I think Supes to me is too close to God (which is what Siegel and Shuster wanted to emulate, i.e. Christ). In the early comics he could juggle moons like oranges and use one of Saturn's rings as a hula hoop. It wasn't till much later that they reined in the limits of what he could do. To me, what makes a character more interesting is his or her limitations. Supes has several: lead (can't see through it), kryptonite (can weaken/kill him) and a red sun can neutralize his powers and render him a normal man. Apart from those, he's almost like God. I forget which comic ( Infinite Crisis?) depicted it, but Superman and Captain Marvel fought, and I don't know who won, but since Marvel's powers are supernaturally derived, I'd wager he'd beat Supes. (And, of course, Doomsday fought and killed Superman about twenty years ago. But to me that was written to generate interest in an otherwise stale character.)

They also moved in different direction with the X-men movies as well, doing a prequel for Wolverine and what not.

The interest in the Wolverine character has a lot more to do with Hugh Jackman's popularity than anything else. Cyclops (the "leader" of the X-men in the comics) got a raw deal in the third movie, and they totally blew the Phoenix storyline. Everything got molded around Jackman and Ian McKellan — another character who became very popular for his portrayal of Gandalf.

Superman hasn't had a good movie since 1978

Superman II, released in 1980, is a classic. Yeah, it's been thirty years, but while Supes is one of the oldest superheroes around, he's not necessarily one of the most interesting.

After all, he is DC's head honcho and biggest money making super-hero of all time, let alone the face of all super-heros that has ever been created.

Some things just need a break. Superman hasn't been completely absent from cinema. Besides the Singer-Routh flick, Smallville has been running on TV for years. Same character, right?

[maverick218]

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YOU cannot BE serious!

[Rip Rokken]

Captain America is another not-quite-regular-guy hero.

The director just screened the first cut of the movie, and thinks he has a real winner on their hands. He basically says it has very high entertainment value on several levels.

I think Supes to me is too close to God (which is what Siegel and Shuster wanted to emulate, i.e. Christ). In the early comics he could juggle moons like oranges and use one of Saturn's rings as a hula hoop. It wasn't till much later that they reined in the limits of what he could do.

To my knowledge he was much more limited in the very first comics, and the limitless power stuff didn't happen until much later. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he even really flew originally, but just sort of "leaped tall buildings in a single bound". I didn't keep up with the series, but it was only several years ago that I first noticed the Christ-comparison angle, and in my opinion it's worn way past thin. Maybe they did allude to that a long time ago and I could be completely wrong, but my impression has been that someone sort of figured out
the similarities in the origins at some point (father sending his only son to Earth as a savior) and ran with it. At this point, I wish they'd dispense with the symbolism, because it's like "Okay, I get it now", lol.

God. I forget which comic ( Infinite Crisis?) depicted it, but Superman and Captain Marvel fought, and I don't know who won, but since Marvel's powers are supernaturally derived, I'd wager he'd beat Supes.

I think there have been a few dust-ups between Supes and the Big Red Cheese, but the one that comes to my mind was "Kingdom Come". Loved that series! I never get these originally, btw... I usually pick up a single-bound graphic novel years later if I have any interest in it. I'd like to read Marvel's "Civil War" series sometime.

[YoungJRNY]

Some things just need a break. Superman hasn't been completely absent from cinema. Besides the Singer-Routh flick, Smallville has been running on TV for years. Same character, right?

I'm a HUGE Superman fan, HUGE, and I've never.. EVER watched one single episode of Smallville. It's simply 10 years of a whole different continuity of how Superman is portrayed and an origin story of a young Clark Kent, which is why I hope Man of Steel won't focus more than a simple 5 minute origin on Superman in the new movie. If anything, it's Batman that's been widely portrayed since 1990. He's exhausted us with the Kilmer and Clooney year and now thank God Nolan overtook the franchise and re-introduced him but since 1990, Batman has had 4 movies in the 90's leading up to 1997 and 2 recent movies with a third on the way. That's 7 movies since 1990. Superman has 1 and it was as lousy as it comes. Nolan is over-seeing the Superman re-boot, and with modern CGI, Supes will be fuckin KILLER on the big screen but don't mistaken Smallville and the Superman franchise, most diehard Superman fans hate it but it's a plug to re-introduce the classic character to a whole different audience.

Superman II, released in 1980, is a classic. Yeah, it's been thirty years, but while Supes is one of the oldest superheroes around, he's not necessarily one of the most interesting.

Yeah, Superman II was in '80, but it was made in the same movie as Superman: The Movie so I count Superman II as the same year as Superman: The Movie since they filmed them back to back. The Richard Donner cut is actually one of my favorite takes of Superman but I don't necc agree that Superman isn't interesting. It's simply the matter of a writer plugging him into the story and coming up with a killer way to utilize his abilities mixed with a great plot and a simple way to use him. Superman is more than braun and power, he's a very diverse character, a God-like creature with the emotion of a human being who is as sensitive as the man standing next to you with modern standards of a straight family man so if he is handled correctly, then his character can smash anything anyone has ever done before, esp of what writers and directors can make out of computer now-a-days.

Superman juggling moons and pushing planets was the creation of the "Silver Age." Almost every character was written ridiculousy. Seigel and Shuster actually created Superman to be a crime fighter with extrordinary powers, not a God like he became during the Silver age. All Superman had in the Golden Age was pretty much Super Strength and x-ray vision, he didn't even fly, he leaped.

As far as Captain Marvel, Billy Batson, he is pretty much Superman's equal and has magic like powers who could defeat Supes, but Superman has a variety of ways and experience as well as smarts over Captain Marvel to defeat him. One writer wrote in a recent Supes comic "The problem isn't hurting me, I've been hurt MANY times before. The problem is SURVIVING me." And even though Captain Marvel is Supes equal in many ways, Superman HARDLY EVER uses his full power to full capacity, ever.

[Behshad]

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YOU cannot BE serious!

[StevePerryHair]

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YOU cannot BE serious!

I swear I pictured almost the same thing! Only my geeks were generic!

[verslibre]

Captain America is another not-quite-regular-guy hero.

The director just screened the first cut of the movie, and thinks he has a real winner on their hands. He basically says it has very high entertainment value on several levels.

I need to see a pic of the final costume. I didn't realize principal photography was done.

God. I forget which comic ( Infinite Crisis?) depicted it, but Superman and Captain Marvel fought, and I don't know who won, but since Marvel's powers are supernaturally derived, I'd wager he'd beat Supes.

I think there have been a few dust-ups between Supes and the Big Red Cheese, but the one that comes to my mind was "Kingdom Come". Loved that series! I never get these originally, btw... I usually pick up a single-bound graphic novel years later if I have any interest in it. I'd like to read Marvel's "Civil War" series sometime.

Maybe it's Kingdom Come. I'll have to check that out.

[verslibre]

Some things just need a break. Superman hasn't been completely absent from cinema. Besides the Singer-Routh flick, Smallville has been running on TV for years. Same character, right?

I'm a HUGE Superman fan, HUGE, and I've never.. EVER watched one single episode of Smallville. It's simply 10 years of a whole different continuity of how Superman is portrayed and an origin story of a young Clark Kent, which is why I hope Man of Steel won't focus more than a simple 5 minute origin on Superman in the new movie.

Five minutes? Unless Tom Welling portrays Superman, don't hold your breath!

If anything, it's Batman that's been widely portrayed since 1990. He's exhausted us with the Kilmer and Clooney year and now thank God Nolan overtook the franchise and re-introduced him but since 1990, Batman has had 4 movies in the 90's leading up to 1997 and 2 recent movies with a third on the way. That's 7 movies since 1990.

That's why I did not see Batman Begins in the theater. Yep, I missed it. On purpose. Because I was like...Batman reboot? Why? Why now? But I had no idea what Christopher Nolan was doing with the character, and when I finally saw it on DVD, I was like Holy. Fuck. This guy DID IT. He amalgamized aspects of The Killing Joke, Arkham Asylum and Batman: Year One, used different villains, and aside from a totally new character (Rachel Dawes), faithfully interpreted a latter-day incarnation of Batman with the tightest direction I'd ever seen in a superhero film.

(Then The Dark Knight totally kicked my ass, of course. I went to see it twice, and I should've gone a third time.)

Superman has 1 and it was as lousy as it comes. Nolan is over-seeing the Superman re-boot, and with modern CGI, Supes will be fuckin KILLER on the big screen but don't mistaken Smallville and the Superman franchise, most diehard Superman fans hate it but it's a plug to re-introduce the classic character to a whole different audience.

I don't watch it, but I was under the impression people like it, and from what I hear they have been introducing a lot more characters and even tapped Terence Stamp to portray Jor-el.

Superman II, released in 1980, is a classic. Yeah, it's been thirty years, but while Supes is one of the oldest superheroes around, he's not necessarily one of the most interesting.

Yeah, Superman II was in '80, but it was made in the same movie as Superman: The Movie so I count Superman II as the same year as Superman: The Movie since they filmed them back to back.

Yes, both were filmed concurrently but if you want to be technical and use dates, it's 1980.

The Richard Donner cut is actually one of my favorite takes of Superman

The Donner take IS very cool...BUT...it omits the BEST line from the theatrical cut!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Superman juggling moons and pushing planets was the creation of the "Silver Age." Almost every character was written ridiculousy. Seigel and Shuster actually created Superman to be a crime fighter with extrordinary powers, not a God like he became during the Silver age. All Superman had in the Golden Age was pretty much Super Strength and x-ray vision, he didn't even fly, he leaped.

This is due to Supes feeling out what he was capable of. He could always fly — he just didn't know it right off the bat. Don't think I hate Superman. I'd just like to see other characters utilized on the big screen. We're finally getting another DC character, Green Lantern, but while I myself like the trailer, I don't hear much positive buzz. I'm going to go see it, of course. And no, I'm not totally comfortable with Ryan R. portraying him. He really wanted to do it, though.

[YoungJRNY]

Captain America is another not-quite-regular-guy hero.

The director just screened the first cut of the movie, and thinks he has a real winner on their hands. He basically says it has very high entertainment value on several levels.

I need to see a pic of the final costume. I didn't realize principal photography was done.

God. I forget which comic ( Infinite Crisis?) depicted it, but Superman and Captain Marvel fought, and I don't know who won, but since Marvel's powers are supernaturally derived, I'd wager he'd beat Supes.

I think there have been a few dust-ups between Supes and the Big Red Cheese, but the one that comes to my mind was "Kingdom Come". Loved that series! I never get these originally, btw... I usually pick up a single-bound graphic novel years later if I have any interest in it. I'd like to read Marvel's "Civil War" series sometime.

Maybe it's Kingdom Come. I'll have to check that out.

Yep, Kingdom Come has a showdown between Captain Marvel, who is influenced as a villain and a retired Superman. I have to re-read this one, one of my all time faves. Only read it once, so I HAVE to bust it out when I get the time. You don't even have to read the story and be in AWE because Alex Ross does cover to cover. There was also a Superman issue tie-in from Alex Ross and Justice Society of America. Kingdom Come Special: Superman #1. It's a damnnnn good issue I recommend.

Kingdom Come Special: Superman #1: Pinning out of the “One World, Under Gog” storyline, the Kingdom Come Superman’s struggle with his place in the world brings a final conflict between the Supermen of Earths 1 and 22! Feeling the weight of his own world’s loss on his shoulders, the transplanted Superman searches for answers to the mystery of his life’s seemingly cursed existence and encounters “old acquaintances” on the way. This is the first fully written and illustrated adventure by KINGDOM COME co-creator Alex Ross.

As far as Superman "always having the ability to fly" that's not true. The character only had Super Strength and Super Speed and he leaped at incredible distances. He was introduced in June 1938, and his first stance on flight came in `1943's radio show on air. They then in-cooperated in the comics soon afterwards in 1945 and then the Fleischer Cartoons (which are CLASSIC.)

Anyway, the point is, if you LIKED the Batman series thus far, and by the sounds of it you did so much you wanted to watch it 3 times, then you should love the new Superman franchise since Nolan is overlooking and Superman will have the same feel as Batman Begins and the Dark Knight. I'm pretty fired up by it since Nolan said it has 0 ties in what we've ever seen before, which means it's going as far away as possible of the Donner/Reeve years and there won't be one reference from Smallville either.