Muslim cleric caught sneaking into the U.S.

[Behshad]

You were talking about Muslims mistreating their woman, and my point is women get mistreated even here in US, regardless of RELIGION.

At least in the US and the rest of the civilized world the woman who is raped has some recourse through the courts and law enforcement, in most Muslim countries she would be convicted of a crime, namely adultery and be stoned to death.

Here is some excellent stuff: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6412453.stm

Yeah...GREAT religion.

So Stu, you HONESTLY think that EVERY Muslim in EVERY country wants to see an adulterer stoned to death? Do you honestly think that every single one of them who considers them self a Muslim, wants to see that happen? There is no way. If that was the case, adultery wouldn't even EXIST. You make no sense. Yes, the "religious extreme government" SUCKS.

I could post all sorts of links from just this VERY thing happening in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc etc RECENTLY...well Afghanistan was during the Taliban government, and being CONVICTED in the courts there. Women raped and convicted of adultery for it, but you should look it up yourself.

I think what she's trying to say, and what I am saying, is that there's a huge difference between a majority of Islam's adherents and what their Imams, other religious leaders, and those who actually have the power believe and perpetuate. Most moderate Muslims I know of don't think a woman who was raped should be sentenced to death.

Bingo!

[StevePerryHair]

You were talking about Muslims mistreating their woman, and my point is women get mistreated even here in US, regardless of RELIGION.

At least in the US and the rest of the civilized world the woman who is raped has some recourse through the courts and law enforcement, in most Muslim countries she would be convicted of a crime, namely adultery and be stoned to death.

Here is some excellent stuff: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6412453.stm

Yeah...GREAT religion.

So Stu, you HONESTLY think that EVERY Muslim in EVERY country wants to see an adulterer stoned to death? Do you honestly think that every single one of them who considers them self a Muslim, wants to see that happen? There is no way. If that was the case, adultery wouldn't even EXIST. You make no sense. Yes, the "religious extreme government" SUCKS.

I could post all sorts of links from just this VERY thing happening in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc etc RECENTLY...well Afghanistan was during the Taliban government, and being CONVICTED in the courts there. Women raped and convicted of adultery for it, but you should look it up yourself.

I think what she's trying to say, and what I am saying, is that there's a huge difference between a majority of Islam's adherents and what their Imams, other religious leaders, and those who actually have the power believe and perpetuate. Most moderate Muslims I know of don't think a woman who was raped should be sentenced to death.

thank you! Yes!! Their courts are NOT fair and are run by the SAME extremist clerics that perpetuate the whole thing! They are the ones IN CHARGE, the ones with THE POWER, the ones with the ARMY behind them. See, these clerics are actually protected by the ARMIES of these dictators!! DICTATORS WHO AREN'T EVEN STRICT MUSLIMS!! But the leader gets protection by the clerics because they instill fear and keep the people suppressed, and the leader protects the clerics with their army. Why is this SO HARD for people to get!!

[RossValoryRocks]

You were talking about Muslims mistreating their woman, and my point is women get mistreated even here in US, regardless of RELIGION.

At least in the US and the rest of the civilized world the woman who is raped has some recourse through the courts and law enforcement, in most Muslim countries she would be convicted of a crime, namely adultery and be stoned to death.

Here is some excellent stuff: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6412453.stm

Yeah...GREAT religion.

in US only 6% of those who commit a rape , stay behind the bars for a day or longer.

Where is your source? I could make a statistic, lets say 100% of Beshad's posts are anti-American...it wouldn't make it true. Also are you talking about someone CONVICTED of rape...or had a rape allegation made against them?

And even if it is a day, it's better than in a large percentage of muslim countries, where the victim becomes a CRIMINAL for being raped.

http://www.rainn.org/statistics

http://www.rainn.org/get-information/st ... -offenders

http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm

http://www.feminist.com/antiviolence/facts.html

How many men who are CONVICTED of rape spend significant time in jail, reading the stats is certainly looks like accused rapists are lumped in with the convicted one. Convicted rapists are 100% guaranteed to spend time in jail.

That is acutally something that the Muslim countries do right...when a man is convicted of rape...it's OVER...no wishy-washy jail time. Though they almost NEVER get convicted. See Sharia law for details.

[RossValoryRocks]

You were talking about Muslims mistreating their woman, and my point is women get mistreated even here in US, regardless of RELIGION.

At least in the US and the rest of the civilized world the woman who is raped has some recourse through the courts and law enforcement, in most Muslim countries she would be convicted of a crime, namely adultery and be stoned to death.

Here is some excellent stuff: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6412453.stm

Yeah...GREAT religion.

So Stu, you HONESTLY think that EVERY Muslim in EVERY country wants to see an adulterer stoned to death? Do you honestly think that every single one of them who considers them self a Muslim, wants to see that happen? There is no way. If that was the case, adultery wouldn't even EXIST. You make no sense. Yes, the "religious extreme government" SUCKS.

I could post all sorts of links from just this VERY thing happening in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc etc RECENTLY...well Afghanistan was during the Taliban government, and being CONVICTED in the courts there. Women raped and convicted of adultery for it, but you should look it up yourself.

I think what she's trying to say, and what I am saying, is that there's a huge difference between a majority of Islam's adherents and what their Imams, other religious leaders, and those who actually have the power believe and perpetuate. Most moderate Muslims I know of don't think a woman who was raped should be sentenced to death.

thank you! Yes!! Their courts are NOT fair and are run by the SAME extremist clerics that perpetuate the whole thing! They are the ones IN CHARGE, the ones with THE POWER, the ones with the ARMY behind them. See, these clerics are actually protected by the ARMIES of these dictators!! DICTATORS WHO AREN'T EVEN STRICT MUSLIMS!! But the leader gets protection by the clerics because they instill fear and keep the people suppressed, and the leader protects the clerics with their army. Why is this SO HARD for people to get!!

I know what you are saying...I got it and what Dave was saying the first go around...however, go back and look what I said the first time...that at least women in the civilized world have some kind of recourse if they are raped. Pipe up in Iran...bam...here come the stones.

[conversationpc]

Religion is for people soft in the fucking head. Let's be real here.

OK...Being real here...I'm not soft in the head. Never have been. Never will be. Thinking it is is simply a cop-out.

Throw that fucker away today then! If you don't have a raging anger and hatred for killers, rapists and child molesters, you might wanna rethink your philosophies! I'm guessing you're going to come back and say that you "hate their actions" but I don't have time to split hairs!

This is where I part company with many other Christians. I don't totally buy into the "love the sinner/hate the sin" concept. Sins do not commit themselves. When's the last time anyone saw a murder commit itself on an innocent person. When has child molestation happened without the presence of the child molester. Disgusting PEOPLE do those those things, not the sin itself.

That being said, I do believe it's possible to both love AND hate someone. The Bible clearly states that God hates the wicked. Not just the SIN the wicked commit, but the WICKED. Then it states later that he loves them enough, that he sent his only son, Jesus Christ, to die for them, paying the penalty for what they so justly deserve. So it is possible to both hate and love someone in that way. Regardless, there are very few types of people that I hate. Those who kill, rape, torture, etc., I do hate and I think anyone who doesn't have at least a small bit of hate for those folks may have something wrong with them.

[verslibre]

Why don't you tell us what you're getting at, i.e. what is in the Q'uran?

Thats where your problem is,,, you shouldnt have ME or anyone else tell you what is in Quran... YOU should find out on your own and for yourself... If I or anyone else for that matter try to EXPLAIN a book , specially a book that is what millions believe in, dont you think you would get all different twisted views instead of what the actual message is?

Let's process this:

X says Islam is fucked up.

Y (you) says it isn't.

X says the Q'uran is fucked up.

Y (you) say it isn't, because you have read it, and therefore you know the real deal.

Z (me) asks you "what" the real deal is.

Y (you) comes back and says that I shouldn't ask you such a thing, because (apparently) your "version" may not be the real deal.

What's wrong with this picture?

If you want to defend Islam, do it. Spit out what you really want to say. Christianity gets criticized right and left, but when Islam is criticized, people emerge to play the Hate card. Give me a break...

Why is it hard for people to try to get educated instead of have someone give them THEIR version of what THEY gathered the book was from

Being and getting educated is not an issue for me. I asked you a question because you're on your soapbox, and you will not (or cannot) answer. The way I see it, you're treading water, i.e. sidestepping.

[Behshad]

You were talking about Muslims mistreating their woman, and my point is women get mistreated even here in US, regardless of RELIGION.

At least in the US and the rest of the civilized world the woman who is raped has some recourse through the courts and law enforcement, in most Muslim countries she would be convicted of a crime, namely adultery and be stoned to death.

Here is some excellent stuff: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6412453.stm

Yeah...GREAT religion.

So Stu, you HONESTLY think that EVERY Muslim in EVERY country wants to see an adulterer stoned to death? Do you honestly think that every single one of them who considers them self a Muslim, wants to see that happen? There is no way. If that was the case, adultery wouldn't even EXIST. You make no sense. Yes, the "religious extreme government" SUCKS.

I could post all sorts of links from just this VERY thing happening in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc etc RECENTLY...well Afghanistan was during the Taliban government, and being CONVICTED in the courts there. Women raped and convicted of adultery for it, but you should look it up yourself.

I think what she's trying to say, and what I am saying, is that there's a huge difference between a majority of Islam's adherents and what their Imams, other religious leaders, and those who actually have the power believe and perpetuate. Most moderate Muslims I know of don't think a woman who was raped should be sentenced to death.

thank you! Yes!! Their courts are NOT fair and are run by the SAME extremist clerics that perpetuate the whole thing! They are the ones IN CHARGE, the ones with THE POWER, the ones with the ARMY behind them. See, these clerics are actually protected by the ARMIES of these dictators!! DICTATORS WHO AREN'T EVEN STRICT MUSLIMS!! But the leader gets protection by the clerics because they instill fear and keep the people suppressed, and the leader protects the clerics with their army. Why is this SO HARD for people to get!!

I know what you are saying...I got it and what Dave was saying the first go around...however, go back and look what I said the first time...that at least women in the civilized world have some kind of recourse if they are raped. Pipe up in Iran...bam...here come the stones.

Wrong!
If a woman (single woman) gets raped, they will make sure the guy who commited the crime, PAYS THE PRICE.
Those cases you hear about the woman also getting lumped in is where it involved adultry (and it wasnt actual rape, but the women tried to blame their unfaithfulness to rape).,,..

The point I am trying to get across is that not ALL muslims treat their women like that. And if all muslims were thinkin that way and supported the wrongful ways their birth country runs things, they wouldve stayed there,,,, Huge difference between REAL muslim practicing Islam, than these idiot Imams and law enforcers using Islam to their own benefits.

[verslibre]

The point I am trying to get across is that not ALL muslims treat their women like that.

Not all Catholic priests are pedophiles, but that still keeps getting brought up.

[Behshad]

Why don't you tell us what you're getting at, i.e. what is in the Q'uran?

Thats where your problem is,,, you shouldnt have ME or anyone else tell you what is in Quran... YOU should find out on your own and for yourself... If I or anyone else for that matter try to EXPLAIN a book , specially a book that is what millions believe in, dont you think you would get all different twisted views instead of what the actual message is?

Let's process this:

X says Islam is fucked up.

Y (you) says it isn't.

X says the Q'uran is fucked up.

Y (you) say it isn't, because you have read it, and therefore you know the real deal.

Z (me) asks you "what" the real deal is.

Y (you) comes back and says that I shouldn't ask you such a thing, because (apparently) your "version" may not be the real deal.

What's wrong with this picture?

If you want to defend Islam, do it. Spit out what you really want to say. Christianity gets criticized right and left, but when Islam is criticized, people emerge to play the Hate card. Give me a break...

Why is it hard for people to try to get educated instead of have someone give them THEIR version of what THEY gathered the book was from

Being and getting educated is not an issue for me. I asked you a question because you're on your soapbox, and you will not (or cannot) answer. The way I see it, you're treading water, i.e. sidestepping.

No lets back it up here!!

correct way is

X says I head through A and B and C that Islam is fucked up

Y says: Instead of listening to A B C , try to at least figure out WHY it is fucked up, and explain with YOU OWN words...

X says : I dont like the Quran cause Google along with A and B and C said its a very bad book

Y says : Again, dont listen to others,, try to have your own reasoning instead goin by what other say

X says : OK I wont listen to their version, Now tell me your version please

Y: whole point is for you to THINK and READ and EDUCATE YOURSELF and build up your view based on that not what Me, A, B C or Google or FoxNews or CNN says

[Behshad]

The point I am trying to get across is that not ALL muslims treat their women like that.

Not all Catholic priests are pedophiles, but that still keeps getting brought up.

OK so based on that lets put all the Catholic priests behind bars ? You brought up a GREAT example! Thank you & Good Night!

[verslibre]

The point I am trying to get across is that not ALL muslims treat their women like that.

Not all Catholic priests are pedophiles, but that still keeps getting brought up.

OK so based on that lets put all the Catholic priests behind bars ? You brought up a GREAT example! Thank you & Good Night!

No, the point is that Christianity takes flak all over the place, but criticism of another religion is rooted in intolerance.

Got it?

[StevePerryHair]

The point I am trying to get across is that not ALL muslims treat their women like that.

Not all Catholic priests are pedophiles, but that still keeps getting brought up.

OK so based on that lets put all the Catholic priests behind bars ? You brought up a GREAT example! Thank you & Good Night!

No, the point is that Christianity takes flak all over the place, but criticism of another religion is rooted in intolerance.

Got it?

It's intolerance whether it's christians, jews, muslims, or steve perry loons that are being criticized

[verslibre]

X says : OK I wont listen to their version, Now tell me your version please

Y: whole point is for you to THINK and READ and EDUCATE YOURSELF and build up your view based on that not what Me, A, B C or Google or FoxNews or CNN says

Wrong.

You're writing all kinds of stuff and being a defender. I merely asked you for a nutshell synopsis. You obviously don't want to.

So, yes, I guess you're done.

[verslibre]

The point I am trying to get across is that not ALL muslims treat their women like that.

Not all Catholic priests are pedophiles, but that still keeps getting brought up.

OK so based on that lets put all the Catholic priests behind bars ? You brought up a GREAT example! Thank you & Good Night!

No, the point is that Christianity takes flak all over the place, but criticism of another religion is rooted in intolerance.

Got it?

It's intolerance whether it's christians, jews, muslims, or steve perry loons that are being criticized

Yeah, well some people like to leave one of those out of the equation, like it's the cool, edgy, forward-thinking "In" thing to do — and it's annoying.

[conversationpc]

It's intolerance whether it's christians, jews, muslims that are being criticized

Fixed

[Behshad]

X says : OK I wont listen to their version, Now tell me your version please

Y: whole point is for you to THINK and READ and EDUCATE YOURSELF and build up your view based on that not what Me, A, B C or Google or FoxNews or CNN says

Wrong.

You're writing all kinds of stuff and being a defender. I merely asked you for a nutshell synopsis. You obviously don't want to.

So, yes, I guess you're done.

Im not a defender,,, THATS where youre wrong. I simply want to know what parts Parfait or yourself didnt like about Quran. I am not saying what Quran says is right or wrong. I personaly would not and do not live my life according to an outdated book. BUT I dont put people down who want to live their lives according to any of the books they believe in , as long as they dont harm others. With that being said, you can not say " Quran sucks cause those who crashed the planes in the buildings did it because they listened to what Quran said".....
Its not the religion that kills people,, its morons who use it as an excuse to kill people.

Somehow I have a feeling you still wont get my point....

[RossValoryRocks]

Wrong!
If a woman (single woman) gets raped, they will make sure the guy who commited the crime, PAYS THE PRICE.
Those cases you hear about the woman also getting lumped in is where it involved adultry (and it wasnt actual rape, but the women tried to blame their unfaithfulness to rape).,,..

The point I am trying to get across is that not ALL muslims treat their women like that. And if all muslims were thinkin that way and supported the wrongful ways their birth country runs things, they wouldve stayed there,,,, Huge difference between REAL muslim practicing Islam, than these idiot Imams and law enforcers using Islam to their own benefits.

I am not wrong moron, I was refering the "muslim" controlled government who use Sharia law. Not Joe Average, or Kareen Abdul Average, muslim man.

Amazing how you spout off about rape, but then automatically say a women was being unfaithful. Tsk Tsk you hypocrisy is showing, as is your muslim side.

And the single woman who gets raped get stoned for being a slut and not having the common decency to die during the rape.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_adul1.htm

Yeah...ok...tells us more Mohammed...err...Beshad. Muslim governments are a STAIN and their version, if you will, of Islam is disgusting.

Now lets talk about honor killings, which are starting to creep up even here in the US...or the condeming to death people fall away or convert from Islam (apostasy)...last I read Donnie and Marie weren't trying to kill someone who left the Mormon Church, or the Pope wasn't ordering priests to lop off the head of people who chose to no longer be catholic, and or Rabbi's hunting people down who left the synagogue, but Islam does have people who WILL do those things, and it is supported to greater or lesser degree by a large majority of muslim populations.

From the Hadith: Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:

[Saint John]

The point I am trying to get across is that not ALL muslims treat their women like that.

Not all Catholic priests are pedophiles, but that still keeps getting brought up.

OK so based on that lets put all the Catholic priests behind bars ? You brought up a GREAT example! Thank you & Good Night!

No, the point is that Christianity takes flak all over the place, but criticism of another religion is rooted in intolerance.

Got it?

I do! It's kind of like "racism." Racism is the biggest deflection policy ever known to man. It is perpetuated to draw attention away from the fact that well over 90% of violent crimes against blacks are perpetrated by ... other blacks!!! But you don't hear about that on the news, but if a white guy or white cop use even questionable discretion against a black person committing a fucking crime, you guessed it ... RACISM!!!!!

Same thing here. Let's focus on the .00000001% of Muslims (and I'm being very generous) that have actually integrated in some way into American culture and genuinely accept, appreciate and love the freedoms the country offers. How 'bout, let's not! Let's focus on the filthy faction that make up the overwhelming vast majority! Fuck them all. Get them maggots out of this country.

[Saint John]

Kareen Abdul Average

Holy fuck did that make me laugh out loud!

[conversationpc]

Kareen Abdul Average

Holy fuck did that make laugh out loud!

Yeah, that was a good one.

[Saint John]

Kareen Abdul Average

Holy fuck did that make me laugh out loud!

Yeah, that was a good one.

Was laughing so hard I had a rare typo!

[Behshad]

Wrong!
If a woman (single woman) gets raped, they will make sure the guy who commited the crime, PAYS THE PRICE.
Those cases you hear about the woman also getting lumped in is where it involved adultry (and it wasnt actual rape, but the women tried to blame their unfaithfulness to rape).,,..

The point I am trying to get across is that not ALL muslims treat their women like that. And if all muslims were thinkin that way and supported the wrongful ways their birth country runs things, they wouldve stayed there,,,, Huge difference between REAL muslim practicing Islam, than these idiot Imams and law enforcers using Islam to their own benefits.

I am not wrong moron, I was refering the "muslim" controlled government who use Sharia law. Not Joe Average, or Kareen Abdul Average, muslim man.

Amazing how you spout off about rape, but then automatically say a women was being unfaithful. Tsk Tsk you hypocrisy is showing, as is your muslim side.

And the single woman who gets raped get stoned for being a slut and not having the common decency to die during the rape.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_adul1.htm

Yeah...ok...tells us more Mohammed...err...Beshad. Muslim governments are a STAIN and their version, if you will, of Islam is disgusting.

Now lets talk about honor killings, which are starting to creep up even here in the US...or the condeming to death people fall away or convert from Islam (Apostdyy)...last I read Donnie and Marie weren't trying to kill someone who left the Moron Church, or the Pope wasn't ordering priests to lop off the head of people who chose to no longer be catholic, and or Rabbi's hunting people down who left the synagogue, but Islam does have people who WILL do those things, and it is supported to greater or lesser degree by a large majority of muslim populations.

From the Hadith: Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:

Youre the moron , because no matter what the discussion is, you all of a sudden turn it into personal attacks and show your hot-head ignorant side , Stuie.
9/11 happened cause of morons from both sides. Kareen Abdul Average represents their side, You represent our side. Both sad miserable poor excuses of living pieces of shit

[StevePerryHair]

It's intolerance whether it's christians, jews, muslims that are being criticized

Fixed

( I was just adding humor... but your point erasing it is even funnier!! )

[Saint John]

last I read Donnie and Marie weren't trying to kill someone who left the Moron Church

This is a classic Freudian slip!

[RossValoryRocks]

Wrong!
If a woman (single woman) gets raped, they will make sure the guy who commited the crime, PAYS THE PRICE.
Those cases you hear about the woman also getting lumped in is where it involved adultry (and it wasnt actual rape, but the women tried to blame their unfaithfulness to rape).,,..

The point I am trying to get across is that not ALL muslims treat their women like that. And if all muslims were thinkin that way and supported the wrongful ways their birth country runs things, they wouldve stayed there,,,, Huge difference between REAL muslim practicing Islam, than these idiot Imams and law enforcers using Islam to their own benefits.

I am not wrong moron, I was refering the "muslim" controlled government who use Sharia law. Not Joe Average, or Kareen Abdul Average, muslim man.

Amazing how you spout off about rape, but then automatically say a women was being unfaithful. Tsk Tsk you hypocrisy is showing, as is your muslim side.

And the single woman who gets raped get stoned for being a slut and not having the common decency to die during the rape.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_adul1.htm

Yeah...ok...tells us more Mohammed...err...Beshad. Muslim governments are a STAIN and their version, if you will, of Islam is disgusting.

Now lets talk about honor killings, which are starting to creep up even here in the US...or the condeming to death people fall away or convert from Islam (Apostdyy)...last I read Donnie and Marie weren't trying to kill someone who left the Moron Church, or the Pope wasn't ordering priests to lop off the head of people who chose to no longer be catholic, and or Rabbi's hunting people down who left the synagogue, but Islam does have people who WILL do those things, and it is supported to greater or lesser degree by a large majority of muslim populations.

From the Hadith: Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:

Youre the moron , because no matter what the discussion is, you all of a sudden turn it into personal attacks and show your hot-head ignorant side , Stuie.
9/11 happened cause of morons from both sides. Kareen Abdul Average represents their side, You represent our side. Both sad miserable poor excuses of living pieces of shit

And yet you ignore the rest of the post which destroys your argument.

Come back to me when you learn to debate. Calling you a moron is hot headed? LOL Not quite, but next time we are face to face maybe we will see just how hot headed I am...or not...and just how willing you are to shoot off your mouth when there isn't 240 miles between us.

[RossValoryRocks]

last I read Donnie and Marie weren't trying to kill someone who left the Moron Church

This is a classic Freudian slip!

LOL

Didn't mean it...it was a typo...but funny...I prefer Kareen (supposed to be Kareem) Abdul Average, myself.

[verslibre]

I personaly would not and do not live my life according to an outdated book.

LOL...okay, then...

BUT I dont put people down who want to live their lives according to any of the books they believe in , as long as they dont harm others.

On that note, you say not to buy what the gov't/news/media/web relays to us over here. I presume that means you have an inside line that gives you a continuous, unbiased, undiluted newsfeed?

Somehow I have a feeling you still wont get my point....

Yawn. Your points are easily understood as wet clay is molded. The fact remains that you're trying to counter negative views towards Islam on this forum, but so far you are unable to refute said views as unwarranted.

[Behshad]

Wrong!
If a woman (single woman) gets raped, they will make sure the guy who commited the crime, PAYS THE PRICE.
Those cases you hear about the woman also getting lumped in is where it involved adultry (and it wasnt actual rape, but the women tried to blame their unfaithfulness to rape).,,..

The point I am trying to get across is that not ALL muslims treat their women like that. And if all muslims were thinkin that way and supported the wrongful ways their birth country runs things, they wouldve stayed there,,,, Huge difference between REAL muslim practicing Islam, than these idiot Imams and law enforcers using Islam to their own benefits.

I am not wrong moron, I was refering the "muslim" controlled government who use Sharia law. Not Joe Average, or Kareen Abdul Average, muslim man.

Amazing how you spout off about rape, but then automatically say a women was being unfaithful. Tsk Tsk you hypocrisy is showing, as is your muslim side.

And the single woman who gets raped get stoned for being a slut and not having the common decency to die during the rape.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_adul1.htm

Yeah...ok...tells us more Mohammed...err...Beshad. Muslim governments are a STAIN and their version, if you will, of Islam is disgusting.

Now lets talk about honor killings, which are starting to creep up even here in the US...or the condeming to death people fall away or convert from Islam (Apostdyy)...last I read Donnie and Marie weren't trying to kill someone who left the Moron Church, or the Pope wasn't ordering priests to lop off the head of people who chose to no longer be catholic, and or Rabbi's hunting people down who left the synagogue, but Islam does have people who WILL do those things, and it is supported to greater or lesser degree by a large majority of muslim populations.

From the Hadith: Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:

Youre the moron , because no matter what the discussion is, you all of a sudden turn it into personal attacks and show your hot-head ignorant side , Stuie.
9/11 happened cause of morons from both sides. Kareen Abdul Average represents their side, You represent our side. Both sad miserable poor excuses of living pieces of shit

And yet you ignore the rest of the post which destroys your argument.

Come back to me when you learn to debate. Calling you a moron is hot headed? LOL Not quite, but next time we are face to face maybe we will see just how hot headed I am...or not...and just how willing you are to shoot off your mouth when there isn't 240 miles between us.

Calling me a moron,,, callin me Mohammed,, and again coming with your threats ?? Youre as childish as you were 4 years ago. And if youre denying that youre a hotheaded redneck then youre in total denial, sorry
I ignore the rest of your post, cause there is no reasoning with you,,,, Your way of debating is so highschool dude,, grow the fuck up,,, I will say the same thing to you whether its 24 miles away or 2.4"

[Don]

To a person of religion, is life really TOO short? If Heaven delivers us from all the evil and sorrows of the world, wouldn't life be almost considered too long? Like waiting at the bus stop or the doctor's office, you wait because you have to, not because you want to.

I'm not going to debate religion vs. atheism. I've been down that road before Yes, life can be too short, even if you believe in an afterlife. We all hope to live to be old. But unfortunately not all of our bodies agree and shit happens. It doesn't mean that we don't accept death and look forward to an afterlife. There is still sadness in losing people. It's part of being HUMAN. There are stories in the bible on death, and mourning is always involved. So this argument won't work on me, sorry!

Your programming seems to have made allowances for every contingency or query thrown at it.
Bill Gates would be proud.

I'm not programmed. You have no idea what I believe and don't believe. I just am not going to sit here and be made to feel that I can't really BELIEVE in an afterlife if I am not happy to die. That makes no sense.

Actually, by my reading your posts in this thread, you yourself are telling me what you do and don't believe in. I'm just analyzing the WHAT-WHY -HOW factor of those beliefs.

[Behshad]

I personaly would not and do not live my life according to an outdated book.

LOL...okay, then...

BUT I dont put people down who want to live their lives according to any of the books they believe in , as long as they dont harm others.

On that note, you say not to buy what the gov't/news/media/web relays to us over here. I presume that means you have an inside line that gives you a continuous, unbiased, undiluted newsfeed?

Somehow I have a feeling you still wont get my point....

Yawn. Your points are easily understood as wet clay is molded. The fact remains that you're trying to counter negative views towards Islam on this forum, but so far you are unable to refute said views as unwarranted.

No I have the same news media that you get, but I dont believe in ALL they say,,, and all I said was, if you gonna have any negative views towards Islam or any relifion for that matter,, please do so, but at least try to have your OWN facts and your own views, instead of copy& paste others