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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:11 am

Behshad wrote:Calling me a moron,,, callin me Mohammed,, and again coming with your threats ?? Youre as childish as you were 4 years ago. And if youre denying that youre a hotheaded redneck then youre in total denial, sorry ;)
I ignore the rest of your post, cause there is no reasoning with you,,,, Your way of debating is so highschool dude,, grow the fuck up,,, I will say the same thing to you whether its 24 miles away or 2.4" :wink:


Redneck? I would rather be a redneck than you that's for sure.

Yeah yeah you ignored it because it made you look like the fool you are.

Again and again recently you have done NOTHING but run down the US and come to the defense of muslim pieces of shit like the GOVERNMENTS to which I am referring.

Now I gotta ask why? But it really evident in your posts.
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Postby Don » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:12 am

And here I was thinking this thread would lead to a left/right confrontation on immigration.
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Postby Saint John » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:13 am

Behshad wrote:9/11 happened cause of morons from both sides.


No, it didn't. It happened because a faction of Islam, a faction that represents the overwhelming vast majority of the rest of its followers (but don't have the balls or means to commit such an act), intentionally killed innocent human beings. I know highly educated rank and file nurses, doctors and other professionals that didn't express a fucking ounce of sympathy for the events of that day, and they're the very upper echelon of the educated Muslims in this country! The argument by these nutballs is that we and the Jews do the same thing. But there's a difference in that we're often responsible for collateral damage, but they (Muslims) focus on collateral damage. We've certainly had lapses in judgment and sloppy operations, but we have never tried to exterminate an entire nation, like they would. If it were up to them, we'd be instantaneously fucking GONE! I think once, just fucking once, we should show them what we could do if we really wanted to ... perhaps just make some shit-hole like Somalia disappear ... poof ... GONE! Say hello to Allah for us, folks. And maybe, but I highly doubt it, they'll realize that we try to be as responsible as reasonably possible with the overwhelming power that we possess.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:13 am

Don wrote:And here I was thinking this thread would lead to a left/right confrontation on immigration.


Melodicrocks resident Jihadist had to come defend the "Religion of Peace"...sorry it took a wrong turn.
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Postby Don » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:18 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Don wrote:And here I was thinking this thread would lead to a left/right confrontation on immigration.


The Jihadist had to come defend the "Religion of Peace"...sorry it took a wrong turn.


Oh, I don't mind at all. I actually thought it would end up as one of those zero reply threads. I'm loving this, another chance of gaining insight into the thoughts of all those on different sides of the theological spectrum.
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Postby Behshad » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:19 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Behshad wrote:Calling me a moron,,, callin me Mohammed,, and again coming with your threats ?? Youre as childish as you were 4 years ago. And if youre denying that youre a hotheaded redneck then youre in total denial, sorry ;)
I ignore the rest of your post, cause there is no reasoning with you,,,, Your way of debating is so highschool dude,, grow the fuck up,,, I will say the same thing to you whether its 24 miles away or 2.4" :wink:


Redneck? I would rather be a redneck than you that's for sure.

Yeah yeah you ignored it because it made you look like the fool you are.

Again and again recently you have done NOTHING but run down the US and come to the defense of muslim pieces of shit like the GOVERNMENTS to which I am referring.

Now I gotta ask why? But it really evident in your posts.


How do you figure I have dont nothing ? :? When did I run down the US ??? :? Youre running your mouth and all you have in any debate is " I went to war " or "I will kick your ass",,,, How many times do we have to thank you for serving our country ??? I dont see other members here, who served our country "brag" about it left and right. they did it cause of their passion for this country, you did it for other reasons. Yet again, Thanks again Stuie for serving our country. You still are a hotheaded mofo and you fuckin know it ;)
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Postby Behshad » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:20 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Don wrote:And here I was thinking this thread would lead to a left/right confrontation on immigration.


Melodicrocks resident Jihadist had to come defend the "Religion of Peace"...sorry it took a wrong turn.


:lol:

Yep Im the Jihadist :lol: What does that make you then, the village idiot ? nah you dont even qualify for that . :) :wink:
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:24 am

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RossValoryRocks wrote:
Behshad wrote:Calling me a moron,,, callin me Mohammed,, and again coming with your threats ?? Youre as childish as you were 4 years ago. And if youre denying that youre a hotheaded redneck then youre in total denial, sorry ;)
I ignore the rest of your post, cause there is no reasoning with you,,,, Your way of debating is so highschool dude,, grow the fuck up,,, I will say the same thing to you whether its 24 miles away or 2.4" :wink:


Redneck? I would rather be a redneck than you that's for sure.

Yeah yeah you ignored it because it made you look like the fool you are.

Again and again recently you have done NOTHING but run down the US and come to the defense of muslim pieces of shit like the GOVERNMENTS to which I am referring.

Now I gotta ask why? But it really evident in your posts.


How do you figure I have dont nothing ? :? When did I run down the US ??? :? Youre running your mouth and all you have in any debate is " I went to war " or "I will kick your ass",,,, How many times do we have to thank you for serving our country ??? I dont see other members here, who served our country "brag" about it left and right. they did it cause of their passion for this country, you did it for other reasons. Yet again, Thanks again Stuie for serving our country. You still are a hotheaded mofo and you fuckin know it ;)


When did I say ONE word in this thread about serving? ONE? Can't find it.

I only talk about my service when it is relation to something posted. It wasn't relevant here, as I was talking about the GOVERNMENTS and Sharia law supported.
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Postby Behshad » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:25 am

Saint John wrote:
Behshad wrote:9/11 happened cause of morons from both sides.


No, it didn't. It happened because a faction of Islam, a faction that represents the overwhelming vast majority of the rest of its followers (but don't have the balls or means to commit such an act), intentionally killed innocent human beings. I know highly educated rank and file nurses, doctors and other professionals that didn't express a fucking ounce of sympathy for the events of that day, and they're the very upper echelon of the educated Muslims in this country! The argument by these nutballs is that we and the Jews do the same thing. But there's a difference in that we're often responsible for collateral damage, but they (Muslims) focus on collateral damage. We've certainly had lapses in judgment and sloppy operations, but we have never tried to exterminate an entire nation, like they would. If it were up to them, we'd be instantaneously fucking GONE! I think once, just fucking once, we should show them what we could do if we really wanted to ... perhaps just make some shit-hole like Somalia disappear ... poof ... GONE! Say hello to Allah for us, folks. And maybe, but I highly doubt it, they'll realize that we try to be as responsible as reasonably possible with the overwhelming power that we possess.


So you honestly think we can solve it with more attacks ? If that were true, dont you think they would be scared of us now, lookin at Iraq or Afghanistan?
You may put fear into the average people, but those whackjobs just get more motivated to attack and harm our people.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:25 am

Behshad wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
Don wrote:And here I was thinking this thread would lead to a left/right confrontation on immigration.


Melodicrocks resident Jihadist had to come defend the "Religion of Peace"...sorry it took a wrong turn.


:lol:

Yep Im the Jihadist :lol: What does that make you then, the village idiot ? nah you dont even qualify for that . :) :wink:


You certainly sound like it recently.
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Postby Don » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:28 am

This is what makes this place great. Intellectual and moral docility is definitely not a problem with the members of this board. :D
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Postby Behshad » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:31 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Behshad wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
Behshad wrote:Calling me a moron,,, callin me Mohammed,, and again coming with your threats ?? Youre as childish as you were 4 years ago. And if youre denying that youre a hotheaded redneck then youre in total denial, sorry ;)
I ignore the rest of your post, cause there is no reasoning with you,,,, Your way of debating is so highschool dude,, grow the fuck up,,, I will say the same thing to you whether its 24 miles away or 2.4" :wink:


Redneck? I would rather be a redneck than you that's for sure.

Yeah yeah you ignored it because it made you look like the fool you are.

Again and again recently you have done NOTHING but run down the US and come to the defense of muslim pieces of shit like the GOVERNMENTS to which I am referring.

Now I gotta ask why? But it really evident in your posts.


How do you figure I have dont nothing ? :? When did I run down the US ??? :? Youre running your mouth and all you have in any debate is " I went to war " or "I will kick your ass",,,, How many times do we have to thank you for serving our country ??? I dont see other members here, who served our country "brag" about it left and right. they did it cause of their passion for this country, you did it for other reasons. Yet again, Thanks again Stuie for serving our country. You still are a hotheaded mofo and you fuckin know it ;)


When did I say ONE word in this thread about serving? ONE? Can't find it.

I only talk about my service when it is relation to something posted. It wasn't relevant here, as I was talking about the GOVERNMENTS and Sharia law supported.


You would have brought that up in your next post if I had said "what have you done lately" ;) :lol:
Oh and thanks again for serving ;)

Your problem is you want to debate by twisting peoples words. Lets get one thing straight. If I agreed with the way any of those morons run the countries in ANY of the Islamic governments, youd think I would give up my friends and family and live here?
Just sit down for a minute and try to understand this: I am not defending the barbaric ways they people of countries are treated under the name of religion.
I defend the people that are true muslims and are suffering every day cause they have to put up with Imams&Morons running their country, forcing them BS that has nothing to do with the actual religion.
The people of those countries have more hate towards their own government than our PEOPLE....
Yet we hear equally idiotic statements from within our own people that " we should just kill them all".... yup, killing people based on their religion is very similiar to what Adolf did, isnt it?
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Postby StevePerryHair » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:31 am

Don wrote:And here I was thinking this thread would lead to a left/right confrontation on immigration.




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Postby StevePerryHair » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:34 am

Don wrote:
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Don wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:
Don wrote:To a person of religion, is life really TOO short? If Heaven delivers us from all the evil and sorrows of the world, wouldn't life be almost considered too long? Like waiting at the bus stop or the doctor's office, you wait because you have to, not because you want to.


I'm not going to debate religion vs. atheism. I've been down that road before :lol: Yes, life can be too short, even if you believe in an afterlife. We all hope to live to be old. But unfortunately not all of our bodies agree and shit happens. It doesn't mean that we don't accept death and look forward to an afterlife. There is still sadness in losing people. It's part of being HUMAN. There are stories in the bible on death, and mourning is always involved. So this argument won't work on me, sorry!


Your programming seems to have made allowances for every contingency or query thrown at it.
Bill Gates would be proud.


I'm not programmed. You have no idea what I believe and don't believe. I just am not going to sit here and be made to feel that I can't really BELIEVE in an afterlife if I am not happy to die. That makes no sense. :P


Actually, by my reading your posts in this thread, you yourself are telling me what you do and don't believe in. I'm just analyzing the WHAT-WHY -HOW factor of those beliefs.


No, because there are a lot of gray areas in my beliefs. You are only seeing the ones I feel strongly about that I am choosing to show you on these particular subjects. There is a LOT more to me. I'm kinda complicated :lol:
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Postby Saint John » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:35 am

Behshad wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Behshad wrote:9/11 happened cause of morons from both sides.


No, it didn't. It happened because a faction of Islam, a faction that represents the overwhelming vast majority of the rest of its followers (but don't have the balls or means to commit such an act), intentionally killed innocent human beings. I know highly educated rank and file nurses, doctors and other professionals that didn't express a fucking ounce of sympathy for the events of that day, and they're the very upper echelon of the educated Muslims in this country! The argument by these nutballs is that we and the Jews do the same thing. But there's a difference in that we're often responsible for collateral damage, but they (Muslims) focus on collateral damage. We've certainly had lapses in judgment and sloppy operations, but we have never tried to exterminate an entire nation, like they would. If it were up to them, we'd be instantaneously fucking GONE! I think once, just fucking once, we should show them what we could do if we really wanted to ... perhaps just make some shit-hole like Somalia disappear ... poof ... GONE! Say hello to Allah for us, folks. And maybe, but I highly doubt it, they'll realize that we try to be as responsible as reasonably possible with the overwhelming power that we possess.


So you honestly think we can solve it with more attacks ? If that were true, dont you think they would be scared of us now, lookin at Iraq or Afghanistan?
You may put fear into the average people, but those whackjobs just get more motivated to attack and harm our people.


Well, in all fairness, my Somalia example was more hyperbole than anything. And I think that, unfortunately, Iraq and Afghanistan only emboldened them because we simply are afraid to exterminate mass populaces of people (and rightly so ... we're civilized and value innocent human life). Our discriminatory policies are exactly why they use human shields. It's a two-fold approach that works very well for them. It causes us to be extra vigilant in our intelligence and it's great propaganda when they can exploit a few unfortunate deaths due to them using civilians and children as human shields. They're the hardest enemy ever known to mankind. One that simply doesn't have any respect for human life and one that has used an evil way of life (Islam) to fool people into believing that giving up your life to kill infidels is the greatest good you could do for God (Allah) and/or spreading that "religion" to others. Sick, twisted shit, and I want those motherfuckers out of this country.
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Postby verslibre » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:35 am

I would just like to when it came about that to debate meant to tell someone to go read [the] source material instead of making clear points to underscore the argument. :)
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:35 am

Behshad wrote:9/11 happened cause of morons from both sides.


9/11 happened SOLELY because a bunch of Muslim extremists decided they wanted to kill a bunch of innocent people and they did so as cowards, in my opinion. Meet us on the field of battle and I would at least have a small bit of respect but those jackoffs lacked the balls to do that.
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Postby Don » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:38 am

StevePerryHair wrote:
Don wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:
Don wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:
Don wrote:To a person of religion, is life really TOO short? If Heaven delivers us from all the evil and sorrows of the world, wouldn't life be almost considered too long? Like waiting at the bus stop or the doctor's office, you wait because you have to, not because you want to.


I'm not going to debate religion vs. atheism. I've been down that road before :lol: Yes, life can be too short, even if you believe in an afterlife. We all hope to live to be old. But unfortunately not all of our bodies agree and shit happens. It doesn't mean that we don't accept death and look forward to an afterlife. There is still sadness in losing people. It's part of being HUMAN. There are stories in the bible on death, and mourning is always involved. So this argument won't work on me, sorry!


Your programming seems to have made allowances for every contingency or query thrown at it.
Bill Gates would be proud.


I'm not programmed. You have no idea what I believe and don't believe. I just am not going to sit here and be made to feel that I can't really BELIEVE in an afterlife if I am not happy to die. That makes no sense. :P


Actually, by my reading your posts in this thread, you yourself are telling me what you do and don't believe in. I'm just analyzing the WHAT-WHY -HOW factor of those beliefs.


No, because there are a lot of gray areas in my beliefs. You are only seeing the ones I feel strongly about that I am choosing to show you on these particular subjects. There is a LOT more to me. I'm kinda complicated :lol:


I see but in a cloudy, murky kind of way.
So, you are holding back from exposing your inner self, denying us the complete picture. That can only leave us with speculation and experimentation to try and determine what you really mean in what you are saying.
A puzzle of the mind.
Hmm.

In essence, presenting your opinion on a two legged bar stool.
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Postby Behshad » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:44 am

conversationpc wrote:
Behshad wrote:9/11 happened cause of morons from both sides.


9/11 happened SOLELY because a bunch of Muslim extremists decided they wanted to kill a bunch of innocent people and they did so as cowards, in my opinion. Meet us on the field of battle and I would at least have a small bit of respect but those jackoffs lacked the balls to do that.


OK, but Why do you think they decided to kill bunch of innocent people here and not in, lets say China, Norway, India or Japan ?
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:46 am

Behshad wrote:You would have brought that up in your next post if I had said "what have you done lately" ;) :lol:
Oh and thanks again for serving ;)

Your problem is you want to debate by twisting peoples words. Lets get one thing straight. If I agreed with the way any of those morons run the countries in ANY of the Islamic governments, youd think I would give up my friends and family and live here?
Just sit down for a minute and try to understand this: I am not defending the barbaric ways they people of countries are treated under the name of religion.
I defend the people that are true muslims and are suffering every day cause they have to put up with Imams&Morons running their country, forcing them BS that has nothing to do with the actual religion.
The people of those countries have more hate towards their own government than our PEOPLE....
Yet we hear equally idiotic statements from within our own people that " we should just kill them all".... yup, killing people based on their religion is very similiar to what Adolf did, isnt it?


We are in agreement then, and maybe just maybe those people in those countries should stand up then? If the Moderate, or "good" muslims as it were, would stand up and shout down the other "so-called" muslims who would pervert their religion, threaten their lives, and STONE them to death for imagined crimes then the rest of the world would support them, but they don't and that is seen as tacit approval by the rest of the world, and you know it.

And I am not twisting your words Beshad, I countered with valid sources that this shit goes on in countries that are predominately muslim, are run by the clerics who tell the people what their religion is and suppress all desent. Those are the people I am going after, and then you counter with statistics that have no bearing on the discussion at hand and run down the US because, unfortunately, rapes happen here too...they happen EVERY WHERE...and it LOOKS like you are supporting those same Muslim countries by running down the US and saying we should ignore what is happening there because it is worse here, when you KNOW that isn't the truth.
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Postby StevePerryHair » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:46 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Don wrote:And here I was thinking this thread would lead to a left/right confrontation on immigration.


Melodicrocks resident Jihadist had to come defend the "Religion of Peace"...sorry it took a wrong turn.


Stu, you CAN'T be that ignorant. So what, I'm a jihadist too? Or was my post too long for anyone to actually read? :lol: You are missing all the points. Picking apart posts and using them for your own advantage to make him look like his points aren't valid. What because he has a muslim name, he can't be valid or have an opinion without being a jihadist? You all are the most close minded bunch of people I have ever seen. There is a lot more to this than just exterminating a bunch of people. And if you think the U.S. is perfect in every middle eastern decision they have made, that is pretty funny. I use my own brain and the evidence I see is that you are all wrong.
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Postby Don » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:47 am

Aren't all Steeler fans Jihadists?
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Postby parfait » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:48 am

Beshad is generally a weak debater. Debating the pros of Islam is however, practically impossible, as it is a religion full of racism, skewed women views and a "us versus them" mentality. True, the threat of terrorism in the form of bombings are overrated - only around 5 % of these are done my muslims.

Over 70% of rapes committed in Oslo, are done by foreigners from Muslim countries. They'll kill you or attempt to, if you try to speak up against them (see the caricatures of Mohammad or the murder of Theo van Gogh). They simply have values that does not, in any way, shape or form, combine with the values of the western world. Homosexuality is punishable by death. Sharia also states that a man can have sex and working slaves.

The Quran in Sura 4:34 says:

4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (Haleem, emphasis added)


Cute, huh?
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Postby StevePerryHair » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:49 am

Don wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:
Don wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:
Don wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:
Don wrote:To a person of religion, is life really TOO short? If Heaven delivers us from all the evil and sorrows of the world, wouldn't life be almost considered too long? Like waiting at the bus stop or the doctor's office, you wait because you have to, not because you want to.


I'm not going to debate religion vs. atheism. I've been down that road before :lol: Yes, life can be too short, even if you believe in an afterlife. We all hope to live to be old. But unfortunately not all of our bodies agree and shit happens. It doesn't mean that we don't accept death and look forward to an afterlife. There is still sadness in losing people. It's part of being HUMAN. There are stories in the bible on death, and mourning is always involved. So this argument won't work on me, sorry!


Your programming seems to have made allowances for every contingency or query thrown at it.
Bill Gates would be proud.


I'm not programmed. You have no idea what I believe and don't believe. I just am not going to sit here and be made to feel that I can't really BELIEVE in an afterlife if I am not happy to die. That makes no sense. :P


Actually, by my reading your posts in this thread, you yourself are telling me what you do and don't believe in. I'm just analyzing the WHAT-WHY -HOW factor of those beliefs.


No, because there are a lot of gray areas in my beliefs. You are only seeing the ones I feel strongly about that I am choosing to show you on these particular subjects. There is a LOT more to me. I'm kinda complicated :lol:


I see but in a cloudy, murky kind of way.
So, you are holding back from exposing your inner self, denying us the complete picture. That can only leave us with speculation and experimentation to try and determine what you really mean in what you are saying.
A puzzle of the mind.
Hmm.

In essence, presenting your opinion on a two legged bar stool.

:lol:


No, there are 4 legs on my stool in this thread. But you can't judge that I am programmed. I DO think for myself. If you can't tell from seeing me post here for 3 years, then I don't know what to tell you :lol:
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Postby StevePerryHair » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:50 am

Don wrote:Aren't all Steeler fans Jihadists?



you're killin me :lol: :lol: Maybe Travis can answer that later!!! Maybe you're on to something! :lol:
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:53 am

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Don wrote:And here I was thinking this thread would lead to a left/right confrontation on immigration.


Melodicrocks resident Jihadist had to come defend the "Religion of Peace"...sorry it took a wrong turn.


Stu, you CAN'T be that ignorant. So what, I'm a jihadist too? Or was my post too long for anyone to actually read? :lol: You are missing all the points. Picking apart posts and using them for your own advantage to make him look like his points aren't valid. What because he has a muslim name, he can't be valid or have an opinion without being a jihadist? You all are the most close minded bunch of people I have ever seen. There is a lot more to this than just exterminating a bunch of people. And if you think the U.S. is perfect in every middle eastern decision they have made, that is pretty funny. I use my own brain and the evidence I see is that you are all wrong.


Oh please...I don't think that the US has made all great, good or even mediocre decisions in our ME policies.

I am not picking apart anything...I am countering his facts with REAL world examples of what happens in those countries.

I wasn't the one who advocated exterminating a bunch of people, I advocate the facing down of the extremists by any country and any people that will do so. Send them to their 72 virgins and a one one with Allah, the problem is very few muslims will do that. Yes I know they would face death for doing so, but so did the founders of this country...The only way to fight evil is to confront it, and defeat it. I am sorry but it looked like Beshad was DEFENDING the extremist point of view by saying the US is worse, until his last post which was the most enlightned response I have heard in a very long time from him on the subject.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:54 am

Don wrote:Aren't all Steeler fans Jihadists?


Sure we are! But I don't try and convert by Death every Browns or Ravens fan...I rather enjoy watching their team implode constantly.
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Postby StevePerryHair » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:55 am

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Behshad wrote:You would have brought that up in your next post if I had said "what have you done lately" ;) :lol:
Oh and thanks again for serving ;)

Your problem is you want to debate by twisting peoples words. Lets get one thing straight. If I agreed with the way any of those morons run the countries in ANY of the Islamic governments, youd think I would give up my friends and family and live here?
Just sit down for a minute and try to understand this: I am not defending the barbaric ways they people of countries are treated under the name of religion.
I defend the people that are true muslims and are suffering every day cause they have to put up with Imams&Morons running their country, forcing them BS that has nothing to do with the actual religion.
The people of those countries have more hate towards their own government than our PEOPLE....
Yet we hear equally idiotic statements from within our own people that " we should just kill them all".... yup, killing people based on their religion is very similiar to what Adolf did, isnt it?


We are in agreement then, and maybe just maybe those people in those countries should stand up then? If the Moderate, or "good" muslims as it were, would stand up and shout down the other "so-called" muslims who would pervert their religion, threaten their lives, and STONE them to death for imagined crimes then the rest of the world would support them, but they don't and that is seen as tacit approval by the rest of the world, and you know it.

And I am not twisting your words Beshad, I countered with valid sources that this shit goes on in countries that are predominately muslim, are run by the clerics who tell the people what their religion is and suppress all desent. Those are the people I am going after, and then you counter with statistics that have no bearing on the discussion at hand and run down the US because, unfortunately, rapes happen here too...they happen EVERY WHERE...and it LOOKS like you are supporting those same Muslim countries by running down the US and saying we should ignore what is happening there because it is worse here, when you KNOW that isn't the truth.


They DO try to stand up! Did you not read my BOOK on the other page!! The young people in Iran TRIED!! But guess what, they have an army and clerics against them! They brought baseball bats to a gun battle! They were slaughtered and some died. THEY are the majority of muslims in that country. Trying to be heard, but no one cares. Our government won't. There are too many political issues for that to happen. They can't do that for every country. They handle it with sanctions and threats. That doesn't help the common person, NOT happy being suppressed! There are moderate clerics there, but they can't even speak up! If they try, then their families will be killed. The moderates or even those who dont' even want to freaking follow the religion, but are forced to, have no way to fight back. What do YOU propose THEY do??? Unless the army turns on it's own government, there is nothing.
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Postby Saint John » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:56 am

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Behshad wrote:9/11 happened cause of morons from both sides.


9/11 happened SOLELY because a bunch of Muslim extremists decided they wanted to kill a bunch of innocent people and they did so as cowards, in my opinion. Meet us on the field of battle and I would at least have a small bit of respect but those jackoffs lacked the balls to do that.


OK, but Why do you think they decided to kill bunch of innocent people here and not in, lets say China, Norway, India or Japan ?


Mainly because they're cowards and would have no shot on a military battlefield, but, also, without question, it's a combination of past foreign policy(s) and the fact that a global financial meltdown and global monetary crisis would weaken us and put us on a leveler playing field with them. Fail.
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Postby StevePerryHair » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:58 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:
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Don wrote:And here I was thinking this thread would lead to a left/right confrontation on immigration.


Melodicrocks resident Jihadist had to come defend the "Religion of Peace"...sorry it took a wrong turn.


Stu, you CAN'T be that ignorant. So what, I'm a jihadist too? Or was my post too long for anyone to actually read? :lol: You are missing all the points. Picking apart posts and using them for your own advantage to make him look like his points aren't valid. What because he has a muslim name, he can't be valid or have an opinion without being a jihadist? You all are the most close minded bunch of people I have ever seen. There is a lot more to this than just exterminating a bunch of people. And if you think the U.S. is perfect in every middle eastern decision they have made, that is pretty funny. I use my own brain and the evidence I see is that you are all wrong.


Oh please...I don't think that the US has made all great, good or even mediocre decisions in our ME policies.

I am not picking apart anything...I am countering his facts with REAL world examples of what happens in those countries.

I wasn't the one who advocated exterminating a bunch of people, I advocate the facing down of the extremists by any country and any people that will do so. Send them to their 72 virgins and a one one with Allah, the problem is very few muslims will do that. Yes I know they would face death for doing so, but so did the founders of this country...The only way to fight evil is to confront it, and defeat it. I am sorry but it looked like Beshad was DEFENDING the extremist point of view by saying the US is worse, until his last post which was the most enlightned response I have heard in a very long time from him on the subject.


But see when I see him say "both sides" i read that to mean that he feels that it's partially U.S. policy decisions IN the middle east that created the angry atmosphere, poor atmosphere, war torn atmosphere, that created the PERFECT breading ground for these extreme killers! They are USING it. That's how I took it. Not that he thinks the U.S. is evil, just that decisions they made helped add to the hate cause against the U. S. He can correct me if I'm wrong. I don't want to speak for anyone.
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