Muslim cleric caught sneaking into the U.S.

[RedWingFan]

Then what politics caused our trade vessels to be attacked 200+ years ago?

How the fuck should I know if I wasn't around ?

Too bad Adams or Jefferson never asked them directly why they were attacking us...and too bad they didn't think to include it in the Congressional record. That doesn't give you a clue?

I think it's sad that you can't even bring yourself to admit the real reason we were attacked in the 18th century and bend over backwards for the same type of people that committed the acts of 9/11 by diverting blame to others.

Seriously, WTF are you rambling about??? The 18th century??? I actually WAS schooled in this country and have NO IDEA what you are talking about! He can tell you that he didn't go to school in this country, so maybe he never got a huge course on American History. But I DID and I still have no idea. What are you 90 years old?

Rambling? Ever consider reading back a couple of pages Einstein?

[StevePerryHair]

Then what politics caused our trade vessels to be attacked 200+ years ago?

How the fuck should I know if I wasn't around ?

Too bad Adams or Jefferson never asked them directly why they were attacking us...and too bad they didn't think to include it in the Congressional record. That doesn't give you a clue?

I think it's sad that you can't even bring yourself to admit the real reason we were attacked in the 18th century and bend over backwards for the same type of people that committed the acts of 9/11 by diverting blame to others.

Seriously, WTF are you rambling about??? The 18th century??? I actually WAS schooled in this country and have NO IDEA what you are talking about! He can tell you that he didn't go to school in this country, so maybe he never got a huge course on American History. But I DID and I still have no idea. What are you 90 years old?

Rambling? Ever consider reading back a couple of pages Einstein?

Awe, you changed your post I saw what you said, but still, WTF difference does it make what happened in the 18th century? These things have been going on throughout history. The Muslim religion started with ABRAHAM, helllooo!!! So there were 2 American related attacks? No there weren't. There were MORE than that. There were attacks on our military abroad. There were attacks on Americans visiting over seas. I don't get your point. There ARE radical muslims, and there always were. The argument ALL DAY was that not ALL muslims are radical and believe these things you are saying. They aren't ALL out to get us. The ONLY point he was trying to make was that from the outside, OUR policies make them feel that they have the RIGHT to attack. Right or wrong, THEY feel that they are justified base on things OUR country does in countries that are Islamic states. THAT is political. They can SAY it's religion, but it's political too. And seriously, you don't think that "christianity" plays any part in these wars? The christians and muslims have had conflict since bible times. It's nothing new. Quit getting stuck on ONE incident in the 18th century.

[RedWingFan]

Quit getting stuck on ONE incident in the 18th century.

Sheesh. It wasn't 1 incident. We were getting attacked repeatedly. If you want to go back and read the portion of the Congressional record that I posted, I'd be more than happy to have a little debate with you, but if you're just going to charge in here like Behshad's personal guard dog. I think I'll pass.

[StevePerryHair]

Quit getting stuck on ONE incident in the 18th century.

Sheesh. It wasn't 1 incident. We were getting attacked repeatedly. If you want to go back and read the portion of the Congressional record that I posted, I'd be more than happy to have a little debate with you, but if you're just going to charge in here like Behshad's personal guard dog. I think I'll pass.

That's not what I'm doing. He hardly needs a guard dog. I am TRYING to understand your point. You make no sense. You say this happened repeatedly, but then you are trying to get him to admit that he thinks jefferson in the 18th century asked to be attacked and was responsible. Why would he do that? What are you getting at? What is your POINT in wanting him to answer that question SO BAD that you have to ask over and over? Please enlighten us? It's getting late, so who knows if he's even around. Please, humor me and tell me what it is you are hoping he'll say so that you can have a point to all this?

[RedWingFan]

Quit getting stuck on ONE incident in the 18th century.

Sheesh. It wasn't 1 incident. We were getting attacked repeatedly. If you want to go back and read the portion of the Congressional record that I posted, I'd be more than happy to have a little debate with you, but if you're just going to charge in here like Behshad's personal guard dog. I think I'll pass.

That's not what I'm doing. He hardly needs a guard dog. I am TRYING to understand your point. You make no sense. You say this happened repeatedly, but then you are trying to get him to admit that he thinks jefferson in the 18th century asked to be attacked and was responsible. Why would he do that? What are you getting at? What is your POINT in wanting him to answer that question SO BAD that you have to ask over and over? Please enlighten us? It's getting late, so who knows if he's even around. Please, humor me and tell me what it is you are hoping he'll say so that you can have a point to all this?

If you can't get it by reading my previous posts in this thread, then all I can do is retype the same words which would be a waste of time. I'm not computer savy enough to draw you a picture and post it on this forum.

[StevePerryHair]

Quit getting stuck on ONE incident in the 18th century.

Sheesh. It wasn't 1 incident. We were getting attacked repeatedly. If you want to go back and read the portion of the Congressional record that I posted, I'd be more than happy to have a little debate with you, but if you're just going to charge in here like Behshad's personal guard dog. I think I'll pass.

That's not what I'm doing. He hardly needs a guard dog. I am TRYING to understand your point. You make no sense. You say this happened repeatedly, but then you are trying to get him to admit that he thinks jefferson in the 18th century asked to be attacked and was responsible. Why would he do that? What are you getting at? What is your POINT in wanting him to answer that question SO BAD that you have to ask over and over? Please enlighten us? It's getting late, so who knows if he's even around. Please, humor me and tell me what it is you are hoping he'll say so that you can have a point to all this?

If you can't get it by reading my previous posts in this thread, then all I can do is retype the same words which would be a waste of time. I'm not computer savy enough to draw you a picture and post it on this forum.

This is what I read. I read that YOU think that he blames ALL of 9/11 on the U.S. and politics. And that back in the 18th century, there were not politics so what was the excuse then? I GET what you are TRYING to get out of him. But WHY is the question! What exactly are you hoping to prove by an answer to this question? We KNOW there are radical muslims THROUGH TIME who read the Quran literally, and think they have to act it out. This is not new news. Why do you assume that both attacks have to be looked at equally? RELIGION and radical muslims ARE the reason. But don't think for a minute that politics aren't involved also in THIS century. They don't separate church and state in Islamic countries. Those Islamic states didn't even exist in the 18th century. You can't compare the musselman to the modern day terrorist. Sorry.

[conversationpc]

It doesn't make them responsible in our eyes , but "the other " side looks at it differently. They attack simply because they don't like our leader(s) and our policies.

The main reason they attack us is because we're not a Muslim country. The goal of the radicals is to enslave, subjugate, and destroy as many free countries as they can, all in the name of Allah. We could simply just exist and never engage in any affairs at all with any other country and they would still eventually come after us.

[StevePerryHair]

It doesn't make them responsible in our eyes , but "the other " side looks at it differently. They attack simply because they don't like our leader(s) and our policies.

The main reason they attack us is because we're not a Muslim country. The goal of the radicals is to enslave, subjugate, and destroy as many free countries as they can, all in the name of Allah. We could simply just exist and never engage in any affairs at all with any other country and they would still eventually come after us.

Except don't they also attack each other too? It seems to me there are radicals killing Muslims in their own countries too. Aren't there?

[Rick]

It doesn't make them responsible in our eyes , but "the other " side looks at it differently. They attack simply because they don't like our leader(s) and our policies.

The main reason they attack us is because we're not a Muslim country. The goal of the radicals is to enslave, subjugate, and destroy as many free countries as they can, all in the name of Allah. We could simply just exist and never engage in any affairs at all with any other country and they would still eventually come after us.

I think they also attack us because we're in their country, and us being there, "Westernizes" their world, to an extent, which they vehemently despise.

[StevePerryHair]

It doesn't make them responsible in our eyes , but "the other " side looks at it differently. They attack simply because they don't like our leader(s) and our policies.

The main reason they attack us is because we're not a Muslim country. The goal of the radicals is to enslave, subjugate, and destroy as many free countries as they can, all in the name of Allah. We could simply just exist and never engage in any affairs at all with any other country and they would still eventually come after us.

I think they also attack us because we're in their country, and us being there, "Westernizes" their world, to an extent, which they vehemently despise.

Yeah, fighting democracy. They KNOW we have an interest in spreading democracy, and that goes against every radical thing they believe. That's why we protect countries like Kuwait. To encourage other countries to become more westernized also. The radicals see that as an invasion into their plan. Into their world.

The whole point that some in this thread didn't get though, is that all muslims were being lumped as a whole, as radical terrorists who all want the same outcome. And they are all out to get us. I just don't believe that.

[StevePerryHair]

Here, this is for RWF. What part of this doesn't reek politics being involved in 9/11? This is just one of the Bin Laden transcripts. Where is he going on and on about infidels and wanting to spread Islam through our country and kill or convert us all? HIS agenda on 9/11 had MUCH to do with politics. Religion comes into play because politics and religion are all intertwined to those radical leaders. And they use the religion as a brainwashing tool to recruit people to actually want to give up their own lives for a cause that Bin Laden himself probably doesnt believe. They are using the religion for their own agenda.

They have been fighting over land in the middle east based on religious beliefs since biblical times. What makes you think that has changed? They are STILL fighting that land war over there. I see 9/11 as an extention of that.

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-10-29/worl ... s=PM:WORLD
Osama bin Laden delivered a new videotaped message which aired on the Arab language network Al-Jazeera Friday. This is a transcript of his remarks as translated by CNN senior editor for Arab affairs Octavia Nasr.
You, the American people, I talk to you today about the best way to avoid another catastrophe and about war, its reasons and its consequences.
And in that regard, I say to you that security is an important pillar of human life, and that free people do not compromise their security.

Contrary to what [President George W.] Bush says and claims -- that we hate freedom --let him tell us then, "Why did we not attack Sweden?" It is known that those who hate freedom don't have souls with integrity, like the souls of those 19. May the mercy of God be upon them.
We fought with you because we are free, and we don't put up with transgressions. We want to reclaim our nation. As you spoil our security, we will do so to you.
I wonder about you. Although we are ushering the fourth year after 9/11, Bush is still exercising confusion and misleading you and not telling you the true reason. Therefore, the motivations are still there for what happened to be repeated.
And I will talk to you about the reason for those events, and I will be honest with you about the moments the decision was made so that you can ponder. And I tell you, God only knows, that we never had the intentions to destroy the towers.
But after the injustice was so much and we saw transgressions and the coalition between Americans and the Israelis against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it occurred to my mind that we deal with the towers. And these special events that directly and personally affected me go back to 1982 and what happened when America gave permission for Israel to invade Lebanon. And assistance was given by the American sixth fleet.
During those crucial moments, my mind was thinking about many things that are hard to describe. But they produced a feeling to refuse and reject injustice, and I had determination to punish the transgressors.
And as I was looking at those towers that were destroyed in Lebanon, it occurred to me that we have to punish the transgressor with the same -- and that we had to destroy the towers in America so that they taste what we tasted, and they stop killing our women and children.

[Behshad]

It doesn't make them responsible in our eyes , but "the other " side looks at it differently. They attack simply because they don't like our leader(s) and our policies.

The main reason they attack us is because we're not a Muslim country. The goal of the radicals is to enslave, subjugate, and destroy as many free countries as they can, all in the name of Allah. We could simply just exist and never engage in any affairs at all with any other country and they would still eventually come after us.

I can guarantee you that even if EVERY SINGLE PERSON in this country was a muslim , those whackjobs wouldve STILL attacked us on 9/11. Their agenda wasnt about conversion to Islam, it was about politics more than anything.
Explain to me how many people converted to Islam after us getting attacked by muslim terrorists on 9/11? NONE. Its plain and simple, they dont like our policies and think we interefer too much in their region, so they think they have the rights to attack. If it was solely for spreading their religion, they would try to secretly brainwash people in a nice way , not by burning down buildings and make more people hate mulims and Islam.

[Saint John]

What YOU see today as OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM , they see as USA INVADING OUR COUNTRY.

You better explain that to Carlitto H@kk then. Seems his 3 tours over there have him completely confused and misguided.

"I know that every time I have deployed, specifically to Iraq three times in the past four years,
I can tell that our troops are making a difference, no matter how small. We're destroying
munitions caches, catching bad guys, and trying to bring some stability to a nation that,
believe it or not, wants us there; yes, I've been outside the wire and in the communities...
They want us there but fear supporting us openly will bring terror and attacks from
the terrorists still hiding and running amuck in the region."

[conversationpc]

What YOU see today as OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM , they see as USA INVADING OUR COUNTRY.

You better explain that to Carlitto H@kk then. Seems his 3 tours over there have him completely confused and misguided.

"I know that every time I have deployed, specifically to Iraq three times in the past four years,
I can tell that our troops are making a difference, no matter how small. We're destroying
munitions caches, catching bad guys, and trying to bring some stability to a nation that,
believe it or not, wants us there; yes, I've been outside the wire and in the communities...
They want us there but fear supporting us openly will bring terror and attacks from
the terrorists still hiding and running amuck in the region."

Private Eye Dan strikes again. Good work, my friend.

[Behshad]

What YOU see today as OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM , they see as USA INVADING OUR COUNTRY.

You better explain that to Carlitto H@kk then. Seems his 3 tours over there have him completely confused and misguided.

"I know that every time I have deployed, specifically to Iraq three times in the past four years,
I can tell that our troops are making a difference, no matter how small. We're destroying
munitions caches, catching bad guys, and trying to bring some stability to a nation that,
believe it or not, wants us there; yes, I've been outside the wire and in the communities...
They want us there but fear supporting us openly will bring terror and attacks from
the terrorists still hiding and running amuck in the region."

Stability ???

Before this war, people didnt fear goin to the market and get blown up by a car bomb.
They had a secure life as long as they just minded their own business and didnt say anything against Saddam. Typical dictatorship country.
Now, they have to fear from gun shots and car bombs from insurgents or getting shot from above by our troops. There's anything BUT stability.

Saddam was a brutal roothless leader... but the people KNEW how to live with him around as long as they minded theyre own business and lived their lives.
Ive said this before, I say it again, You can not force freedom and democracy, it had to be born from within.

And since when do YOU care about the freedom and well being of Iraqis? Did you forget theyre all muslims? For someone who wants all mulims gone and far away, you seem to express a huge amount of concern about their well beings

What else you got Private Dan?

[Behshad]

What YOU see today as OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM , they see as USA INVADING OUR COUNTRY.

You better explain that to Carlitto H@kk then. Seems his 3 tours over there have him completely confused and misguided.

"I know that every time I have deployed, specifically to Iraq three times in the past four years,
I can tell that our troops are making a difference, no matter how small. We're destroying
munitions caches, catching bad guys, and trying to bring some stability to a nation that,
believe it or not, wants us there; yes, I've been outside the wire and in the communities...
They want us there but fear supporting us openly will bring terror and attacks from
the terrorists still hiding and running amuck in the region."

Private Eye Dan strikes again. Good work, my friend.

Yep, funny how you had NOTHING to say in my response to your post Send the next one in line , whos next? lets see is it FactFinders turn or is it RWF?

[conversationpc]

What YOU see today as OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM , they see as USA INVADING OUR COUNTRY.

You better explain that to Carlitto H@kk then. Seems his 3 tours over there have him completely confused and misguided.

"I know that every time I have deployed, specifically to Iraq three times in the past four years,
I can tell that our troops are making a difference, no matter how small. We're destroying
munitions caches, catching bad guys, and trying to bring some stability to a nation that,
believe it or not, wants us there; yes, I've been outside the wire and in the communities...
They want us there but fear supporting us openly will bring terror and attacks from
the terrorists still hiding and running amuck in the region."

Private Eye Dan strikes again. Good work, my friend.

Yep, funny how you had NOTHING to say in my response to your post Send the next one in line , whos next? lets see is it FactFinders turn or is it RWF?

I didn't see your response until now.

[conversationpc]

I can guarantee you that even if EVERY SINGLE PERSON in this country was a muslim , those whackjobs wouldve STILL attacked us on 9/11. Their agenda wasnt about conversion to Islam, it was about politics more than anything.
Explain to me how many people converted to Islam after us getting attacked by muslim terrorists on 9/11? NONE. Its plain and simple, they dont like our policies and think we interefer too much in their region, so they think they have the rights to attack. If it was solely for spreading their religion, they would try to secretly brainwash people in a nice way , not by burning down buildings and make more people hate mulims and Islam.

No, you're right, they don't necessarily want to convert everyone to Islam. They enjoy killing more than converting.

[Behshad]

What YOU see today as OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM , they see as USA INVADING OUR COUNTRY.

You better explain that to Carlitto H@kk then. Seems his 3 tours over there have him completely confused and misguided.

"I know that every time I have deployed, specifically to Iraq three times in the past four years,
I can tell that our troops are making a difference, no matter how small. We're destroying
munitions caches, catching bad guys, and trying to bring some stability to a nation that,
believe it or not, wants us there; yes, I've been outside the wire and in the communities...
They want us there but fear supporting us openly will bring terror and attacks from
the terrorists still hiding and running amuck in the region."

Private Eye Dan strikes again. Good work, my friend.

Yep, funny how you had NOTHING to say in my response to your post Send the next one in line , whos next? lets see is it FactFinders turn or is it RWF?

I didn't see your response until now.

Awe. Let me guess, You skirt was covering your eyes as you were cheering for PED (Private Eye Dan)

[Behshad]

I can guarantee you that even if EVERY SINGLE PERSON in this country was a muslim , those whackjobs wouldve STILL attacked us on 9/11. Their agenda wasnt about conversion to Islam, it was about politics more than anything.
Explain to me how many people converted to Islam after us getting attacked by muslim terrorists on 9/11? NONE. Its plain and simple, they dont like our policies and think we interefer too much in their region, so they think they have the rights to attack. If it was solely for spreading their religion, they would try to secretly brainwash people in a nice way , not by burning down buildings and make more people hate mulims and Islam.

No, you're right, they don't necessarily want to convert everyone to Islam. They enjoy killing more than converting.

Exactly !! and they dont even care if its our people or their own !!!

[Saint John]

Stability ???

Before this war, people didnt fear goin to the market and get blown up by a car bomb.
They had a secure life as long as they just minded their own business and didnt say anything against Saddam.
Saddam was a brutal roothless leader... but the people KNEW how to live with him around as long as they minded theyre own business and lived their lives.

I think the families of the 148 folks killed in the Dujail Massacre in 1982 would disagree, so would the families of the 8,000 folks executed in The Barzani Clan Abductions in 1983, as would the families of the 182,000 men, women and children killed in the al-Anfal Campaign from 1986-1989, as would the families of the 220,000 Marsh Arabs who were effectively starved to death by destroying their marshes, as would the families of the 2,000 Kurds killed daily at one point, along with the countless others, as many as 2 million, that were forced to trek out of the country or be killed. Reports estimate several hundred thousand died in the process, but all 2 million would have eventually received a death sentence. Then there are the untold and impossible to estimate atrocities that took place randomly ... every day. Documents and eye witnesses have told stories about rape rooms, limb removal facilities, torture chambers and mass machine-gunning of peaceful protests. But you just referred to this as a "secure life."

And since when do YOU care about the freedom and well being of Iraqis? Did you forget theyre all muslims? For someone who wants all mulims gone and far away, you seem to express a huge amount of concern about their well beings

Wrong again! Estimates put Christians and other non-Muslims as high as 3-5%, or about 1 and a half million people. And perhaps the religious demographic would change inside a free country??? Duh!:lol:

What else you got Private Dan?

Just doled out another factual ass-kicking. Other than that, only about $58 in my wallet.

[G.I.Jim]

Stability ???

Before this war, people didnt fear goin to the market and get blown up by a car bomb.
They had a secure life as long as they just minded their own business and didnt say anything against Saddam.
Saddam was a brutal roothless leader... but the people KNEW how to live with him around as long as they minded theyre own business and lived their lives.

I think the families of the 148 folks killed in the Dujail Massacre in 1982 would disagree, so would the families of the 8,000 folks executed in The Barzani Clan Abductions in 1983, as would the families of the 182,000 men, women and children killed in the al-Anfal Campaign from 1986-1989, as would the families of the 220,000 Marsh Arabs who were effectively starved to death by destroying their marshes, as would the families of the 2,000 Kurds killed daily at one point, along with the countless others, as many as 2 million, that were forced to trek out of the country or be killed. Reports estimate several hundred thousand died in the process, but all 2 million would have eventually received a death sentence. Then there are the untold and impossible to estimate atrocities that took place randomly ... every day. Documents and eye witnesses have told stories about rape rooms, limb removal facilities, torture chambers and mass machine-gunning of peaceful protests. But you just referred to this as a "secure life."

And since when do YOU care about the freedom and well being of Iraqis? Did you forget theyre all muslims? For someone who wants all mulims gone and far away, you seem to express a huge amount of concern about their well beings

Wrong again! Estimates put Christians and other non-Muslims as high as 3-5%, or about 1 and a half million people. And perhaps the religious demographic would change inside a free country??? Duh!:lol:

What else you got Private Dan?

Just doled out another factual ass-kicking. Other than that, only about $58 in my wallet.

You slay me Dan!

[Behshad]

Stability ???

Before this war, people didnt fear goin to the market and get blown up by a car bomb.
They had a secure life as long as they just minded their own business and didnt say anything against Saddam.
Saddam was a brutal roothless leader... but the people KNEW how to live with him around as long as they minded theyre own business and lived their lives.

I think the families of the 148 folks killed in the Dujail Massacre in 1982 would disagree, so would the families of the 8,000 folks executed in The Barzani Clan Abductions in 1983, as would the families of the 182,000 men, women and children killed in the al-Anfal Campaign from 1986-1989, as would the families of the 220,000 Marsh Arabs who were effectively starved to death by destroying their marshes, as would the families of the 2,000 Kurds killed daily at one point, along with the countless others, as many as 2 million, that were forced to trek out of the country or be killed. Reports estimate several hundred thousand died in the process, but all 2 million would have eventually received a death sentence. Then there are the untold and impossible to estimate atrocities that took place randomly ... every day. Documents and eye witnesses have told stories about rape rooms, limb removal facilities, torture chambers and mass machine-gunning of peaceful protests. But you just referred to this as a "secure life."

And since when do YOU care about the freedom and well being of Iraqis? Did you forget theyre all muslims? For someone who wants all mulims gone and far away, you seem to express a huge amount of concern about their well beings

Wrong again! Estimates put Christians and other non-Muslims as high as 3-5%, or about 1 and a half million people. And perhaps the religious demographic would change inside a free country??? Duh!:lol:

What else you got Private Dan?

Just doled out another factual ass-kicking. Other than that, only about $58 in my wallet.

Those families you show so much sympathy with , are the same that get killed by insurgents and us , daily ! Saddam killed his own people, FACT. But if you werent involved in anything anti-saddam, political, chances were you could live without worries.
Of course as part of war , he did gas his own people too. But to claim that Iraq is a stable country right now, is utter BS .

And youre still worried and concerned about the freedom of 96.5% muslims, while you want them GONE

Dan, Its easy for you to sit home and cheer "war war", cause you havent seen what actual war is. You havent lived in the fear of not knowing what is gonna happen to you & your family , with enemies around. You should at least take a short trip to Iraq (since its so stable there now) and get a real feel of what kind of fear it puts in your soul,, that might change your mind a bit and make you see things more clearly

[Behshad]

What YOU see today as OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM , they see as USA INVADING OUR COUNTRY.

You better explain that to Carlitto H@kk then. Seems his 3 tours over there have him completely confused and misguided.

"I know that every time I have deployed, specifically to Iraq three times in the past four years,
I can tell that our troops are making a difference, no matter how small. We're destroying
munitions caches, catching bad guys, and trying to bring some stability to a nation that,
believe it or not, wants us there; yes, I've been outside the wire and in the communities...
They want us there but fear supporting us openly will bring terror and attacks from
the terrorists still hiding and running amuck in the region."

Might I add,,,, You got us way off the subject, but pay close attention to the highlighted part, directly quoted from Carl,,,,, Those terrorist Iraqis fear of if they show us support. THATS the same terrorists that attack us. My whole point was, the average Iraqi people wont come over here and start attacking us,, its the same terrorists that even mulims Iraqis are scared and terrified of, that attack us, because they dont like our policies. Thank you Dan !

[RedWingFan]

fear supporting us openly will bring terror and attacks from
the terrorists still hiding and running amuck in the region."[/b][/i]

its the same terrorists that even mulims Iraqis are scared and terrified of, that attack us, because they betrayed Alah and sided with the infidels. Thank you Dan !

Fixed it for you.

[Behshad]

fear supporting us openly will bring terror and attacks from
the terrorists still hiding and running amuck in the region."[/b][/i]

its the same terrorists that even mulims Iraqis are scared and terrified of, that attack us, because they betrayed Alah and sided with the infidels. Thank you Dan !

Fixed it for you.

Did you know that there were Mulims that died on 9/11 ? Did they betray Allah as well ??

[bluejeangirl76]

What YOU see today as OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM , they see as USA INVADING OUR COUNTRY.

I know, right!? They misconstrue everything!

[Saint John]

Those families you show so much sympathy with , are the same that get killed by insurgents and us , daily !

There's a huge qualitative difference in you lumping our fucking military (how insulting) in with a brutal dictator that, at times, arbitrarily and intentionally raped, killed, maimed and terrorized citizens. Random, every day citizens. In other words, intentional killing and terrorizing of innocent human beings was the rule, whereas with our military it's the exception. We try to kill the very people that are inhibiting Kareem Abdul Average (Thanks, Stu) from enjoying a free life. We discriminate and do our best (bad apples excluded ... because you'll fucking pounce on that, as you always seem to focus on any negative, but no positive) to kill those that are disrupting and destroying the lives of your average Joe Camel.

But if you werent involved in anything anti-saddam, political, chances were you could live without worries.

This is woefully and ignorantly inaccurate, as the killing of tens, and maybe, 100's, of thousands of children by Saddam illustrates. But when you're seemingly embroiled in a massive campaign of half-truths and virtually always focus on the negative, these sorts of statements are to be expected.

But to claim that Iraq is a stable country right now, is utter BS .

Nobody said this. You're simply too enamored in reading what you want to and can't even comprehend written text. What was said was, " ... trying to bring some stability to a nation ... "

And youre still worried and concerned about the freedom of 96.5% muslims, while you want them GONE

I want them "gone" from this country. What I'm worried about over there is the spread of freedom.

Dan, Its easy for you to sit home and cheer "war war", cause you havent seen what actual war is. You havent lived in the fear of not knowing what is gonna happen to you & your family , with enemies around. You should at least take a short trip to Iraq (since its so stable there now) and get a real feel of what kind of fear it puts in your soul,, that might change your mind a bit and make you see things more clearly

You haven't any idea what I "cheer" for. I would like nothing more than to build a wall around this country, deport all illegal filth, send Muslims packing (we need to accurately define what "religion" is and separate it from the menacing and violent way of life known as "Islam.") and fight any future enemy with much swifter, far more brutal and pulverizing force. This country would be an impenetrable fucking fortress.

[Behshad]

There's a huge qualitative difference in you lumping our fucking military (how insulting) in with a brutal dictator that, at times, arbitrarily and intentionally raped, killed, maimed and terrorized citizens. Random, every day citizens. In other words, intentional killing and terrorizing of innocent human beings was the rule, whereas with our military it's the exception. We try to kill the very people that are inhibiting Kareem Abdul Average (Thanks, Stu) from enjoying a free life. We discriminate and do our best (bad apples excluded ... because you'll fucking pounce on that, as you always seem to focus on any negative, but no positive) to kill those that are disrupting and destroying the lives of your average Joe Camel.

People are dying there daily. Its the price of war, not insulting our army. We dont go there to shower them with flowers. We do what we do to get the job done , aiming to eliminate the bad guys, but its a FACT that civilians die and get lumped in with the bad guys. Nice try to twist my words again , trying to say I am insulting our military,,,

This is woefully and ignorantly inaccurate, as the killing of tens, and maybe, 100's, of thousands of children by Saddam illustrates. But when you're seemingly embroiled in a massive campaign of half-truths and virtually always focus on the negative, these sorts of statements are to be expected.

Again, Sadam killed 10.000 people a year,,, but long after he's gone, there's still 10.000 or more Iraqis dying annually.

Nobody said this. You're simply too enamored in reading what you want to and can't even comprehend written text. What was said was, " ... trying to bring some stability to a nation ... "

Once we have brought the stability , we'll talk, but so far its a jungle there and its not any more stable than it was 10 years ago.

I want them "gone" from this country. What I'm worried about over there is the spread of freedom.

The day you pack your bag and head back to Greece, is the same day you see all the muslims head back home

You haven't any idea what I "cheer" for. I would like nothing more than to build a wall around this country, deport all illegal filth, send Muslims packing (we need to accurately define what "religion" is and separate it from the menacing and violent way of life known as "Islam.") and fight any future enemy with much swifter, far more brutal and pulverizing force. This country would be an impenetrable fucking fortress.

I have a slight idea what you cheer for. You still should consider spending at least ONE day in the war zone to get the hang of it

(normally I just quote the whole post and respond to your various points, but since you prefer the divided quotes, I helped you with that,,, youre welcome

[Saint John]

Fix the few erroneous quotes above, dude!