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[conversationpc]

The condom question is a good one. Since God now seemingly turns the cheek concerning pre-marital sex (judging by all the people of faith who have done it) why doesn't he get with the times when it comes to condoms? Abortions are bad but we can't use rubbers? What's up with that?

Don't make the mistake of assuming that the pope and the Catholic church speak for all Christians. Many Protestant Christians consider the Catholic church to be a cult but that's a topic for another time.

Anyway, most Christians I know don't think using a condom is wrong.

Well, that's another issue right there. The Catholics. How can they have different rules for the same God that they share with the other Christians?

Why don't you ask them instead of directing the question to me? I'm not a Catholic.

I will but since you mentioned them first, I started with you. Don't worry, I'm sure they'll find me before I find them.

Ummm...No, I didn't bring up Catholics first. Parfait brought that up earlier in regards to the condoms, premarital sex, AIDS issue. Again, I'm not Catholic. If you want to know why they believe what they believe, you'll have to ask one of them.

[StevePerryHair]

The condom question is a good one. Since God now seemingly turns the cheek concerning pre-marital sex (judging by all the people of faith who have done it) why doesn't he get with the times when it comes to condoms? Abortions are bad but we can't use rubbers? What's up with that?

Don't make the mistake of assuming that the pope and the Catholic church speak for all Christians. Many Protestant Christians consider the Catholic church to be a cult but that's a topic for another time.

Anyway, most Christians I know don't think using a condom is wrong.

Well, that's another issue right there. The Catholics. How can they have different rules for the same God that they share with the other Christians?

Don, the Catholic church isn't the ONLY Christian church with different rules. EVERY Christian church had it's own teachings and practices. Do you know how many Denom and non-denom churches there are? They all do share the same God. AND same basic beliefs. But the bible is interpreted differently by different churches, and it's caused division. That good old human intervention.

[Don]

So, all you Catholics (or if we were in N. Ireland, all you Cokes) and everyone in different denominations, do you get segregated when you get to heaven and end up somewhere else?

[conversationpc]

So, all you Catholics (or if we were in N. Ireland, all you Cokes) and everyone in different denominations, do you get segregated when you get to heaven and end up somewhere else?

Don't Catholics all generally have the same beliefs? I'm just sayin'...

[Don]

This is why people are confused and saying hell with the whole thing. Too many conflicting rules, to many humans interpreting the same thing in different ways and saying their particular read on things is the correct one. I'll stick with science, it has the same rules no matter what type of human you are. When the rules change in Science, they change for every one, not just a select group. Much more fair.

[conversationpc]

This is why people are confused and saying hell with the whole thing. Too many conflicting rules, to many humans interpreting the same thing in different ways and saying their particular read on things is the correct one. I'll stick with science, it has the same rules no matter what type of human you are. When the rules change in Science, they change for every one, not just a select group. Much more fair.

Actually...Think about it. There's lots of things about science that scientists interpret in different ways also. It happens in nearly every human endeavor.

[Behshad]

This is why people are confused and saying hell with the whole thing. Too many conflicting rules, to many humans interpreting the same thing in different ways and saying their particular read on things is the correct one. I'll stick with science, it has the same rules no matter what type of human you are. When the rules change in Science, they change for every one, not just a select group. Much more fair.

So your saying all scientists and their follower believe in the exact same thing. Oh which nothing ?!

[StevePerryHair]

So, all you Catholics (or if we were in N. Ireland, all you Cokes) and everyone in different denominations, do you get segregated when you get to heaven and end up somewhere else?

I just said, the first divisions started many many ions ago when some Catholics didn't accept the churches teachings in some areas, and looked at the bible differently. So they broke from the church, and new denominations started. Then some didn't like any denominations, and how they practiced and read the bible, and they broke off and started non-denominational churches. They have the same simple beliefs. But differ GREATLY on how the bible is being interpreted. Catholics are generally not literalists with the bible. That isn't agreed upon by some of the other Christian churches. So there is division.

One example was Martin Luther. He wanted to change some things the church practiced, putting it simply. Such as the bread wine/body blood thing...the church didn't like that so much. There's way more to it, but eventually people who agreed with him, formed the Lutheran church. From what I understand, he didn't necessarily plan to start a new church. He was asking the Catholic church to change. Those churches are most similar of the denoms, but there are still big differences I suppose. It's about history, and people. People can't agree. This surprises you?

[Saint John]

The difference between Catholics and other Christians is semantics, really. Mainly doctrinal belief differences and a few non-doctrinal differnces, but the most notable one with Catholics is the celibacy of priests to mask the known and condoned molesting of children that's gone on for decades or longer.

[StevePerryHair]

This is why people are confused and saying hell with the whole thing. Too many conflicting rules, to many humans interpreting the same thing in different ways and saying their particular read on things is the correct one. I'll stick with science, it has the same rules no matter what type of human you are. When the rules change in Science, they change for every one, not just a select group. Much more fair.

So your saying all scientists and their follower believe in the exact same thing. Oh which nothing ?!

Yeah, that is pretty funny! First of all science changes it's mind all the time! As new things are learned! Second of all, since when do they agree!! Many times there is even competition between scientists in different countries. Wanting to be the "first" to prove something. And they don't agree. That happened when the HIV stuff began in the 80's. There was almost a race between France and the U.S. Because scientists like to be recognized. That happened with the race to get to the moon. Yeah, that's science. Rules never change They change the names of freaking bacterias every 3 years! science is not consistent!

[Don]

This is why people are confused and saying hell with the whole thing. Too many conflicting rules, to many humans interpreting the same thing in different ways and saying their particular read on things is the correct one. I'll stick with science, it has the same rules no matter what type of human you are. When the rules change in Science, they change for every one, not just a select group. Much more fair.

Actually...Think about it. There's lots of things about science that scientists interpret in different ways also. It happens in nearly every human endeavor.

Right, and when they come to different conclusions they strive to find a consensus. That's their job to continuously throw every thing at what ever theory or conclusion they come to see if it can stand the scrutiny of scepticism. The idea is to eliminate vagaries like you would find in religion such as " because God has other plans for so and so" or " the lord works in mysterious ways". We have brain with a built in need to learn and find answers to everything. Religion only lets you get so far and throws up a stop sign. Science encourages you to run every stop sign you see until you can't go any more (usually because you have expired). That's the road I want to be on, the path of endless learning and knowledge.

[conversationpc]

Right, and when they come to different conclusions they strive to find a consensus. That's their job to continuously throw every thing at what ever theory or conclusion they come to see if it can stand the scrutiny of scepticism. The idea is to eliminate vagaries like you would find in religion such as " because God has other plans for so and so" or " the lord works in mysterious ways". We have brain with a built in need to learn and find answers to everything. Religion only lets you get so far and throws up a stop sign. Science encourages you to run every stop sign you see until you can't go any more (usually because you have expired). That's the road I want to be on, the path of endless learning and knowledge.

Bogus...Far more Christians than not work together. Most of us disagree on a few things and get together on a whole lot of other things. Kind of like on this forum...There's lots of folks who disagree and piss & moan at each other but, for the most part, we're still friends at the end of the day despite the differences.

[Don]

This is why people are confused and saying hell with the whole thing. Too many conflicting rules, to many humans interpreting the same thing in different ways and saying their particular read on things is the correct one. I'll stick with science, it has the same rules no matter what type of human you are. When the rules change in Science, they change for every one, not just a select group. Much more fair.

So your saying all scientists and their follower believe in the exact same thing. Oh which nothing ?!

Yeah, that is pretty funny! First of all science changes it's mind all the time! As new things are learned! Second of all, since when do they agree!! Many times there is even competition between scientists in different countries. Wanting to be the "first" to prove something. And they don't agree. That happened when the HIV stuff began in the 80's. There was almost a race between France and the U.S. Because scientists like to be recognized. That happened with the race to get to the moon. Yeah, that's science. Rules never change They change the names of freaking bacterias every 3 years! science is not consistent!

Didn't my last sentence say" when the rules change in science.."?
I said the rules don't change for different denominations because science doesn't segregate.

[StevePerryHair]

This is why people are confused and saying hell with the whole thing. Too many conflicting rules, to many humans interpreting the same thing in different ways and saying their particular read on things is the correct one. I'll stick with science, it has the same rules no matter what type of human you are. When the rules change in Science, they change for every one, not just a select group. Much more fair.

Actually...Think about it. There's lots of things about science that scientists interpret in different ways also. It happens in nearly every human endeavor.

Right, and when they come to different conclusions they strive to find a consensus. That's their job to continuously throw every thing at what ever theory or conclusion they come to see if it can stand the scrutiny of scepticism. The idea is to eliminate vagaries like you would find in religion such as " because God has other plans for so and so" or " the lord works in mysterious ways". We have brain with a built in need to learn and find answers to everything. Religion only lets you get so far and throws up a stop sign. Science encourages you to run every stop sign you see until you can't go any more (usually because you have expired). That's the road I want to be on, the path of endless learning and knowledge.

The churches try too Don. They have ecumenical councils who meet all the time, trying to unite the churches. They DO try! But there are just too many things each church is too stubborn about! I ASSURE you this happens between scientists too!!

[Behshad]

Right, and when they come to different conclusions they strive to find a consensus. That's their job to continuously throw every thing at what ever theory or conclusion they come to see if it can stand the scrutiny of scepticism. The idea is to eliminate vagaries like you would find in religion such as " because God has other plans for so and so" or " the lord works in mysterious ways". We have brain with a built in need to learn and find answers to everything. Religion only lets you get so far and throws up a stop sign. Science encourages you to run every stop sign you see until you can't go any more (usually because you have expired). That's the road I want to be on, the path of endless learning and knowledge.

Bogus...Far more Christians than not work together. Most of us disagree on a few things and get together on a whole lot of other things. Kind of like on this forum...There's lots of folks who disagree and piss & moan at each other but, for the most part, we're still friends at the end of the day despite the differences.

Careful. That may mislead " somebody" into converting

[StevePerryHair]

This is why people are confused and saying hell with the whole thing. Too many conflicting rules, to many humans interpreting the same thing in different ways and saying their particular read on things is the correct one. I'll stick with science, it has the same rules no matter what type of human you are. When the rules change in Science, they change for every one, not just a select group. Much more fair.

So your saying all scientists and their follower believe in the exact same thing. Oh which nothing ?!

Yeah, that is pretty funny! First of all science changes it's mind all the time! As new things are learned! Second of all, since when do they agree!! Many times there is even competition between scientists in different countries. Wanting to be the "first" to prove something. And they don't agree. That happened when the HIV stuff began in the 80's. There was almost a race between France and the U.S. Because scientists like to be recognized. That happened with the race to get to the moon. Yeah, that's science. Rules never change They change the names of freaking bacterias every 3 years! science is not consistent!

Didn't my last sentence say" when the rules change in science.."?
I said the rules don't change for different denominations because science doesn't segregate.

Science DOES segregate! All the time they do!!! They agree on some obvious things. But MANY things they theorize differently. They compete too. Scientists don't agree on all sorts of things.

[Don]

They disagree on the stuff that isn't 100% validated to try to get to the right answer. It's a self checking mechanism built into science so that everything is continuously under scrutiny to prove that it's right. If a scientist can eventually break it down, they move on to find the correct answer. Even the theory of relativity is under siege every day by scientists to make sure it really holds up..
Does religion have the same safeguards?

[Saint John]

I've managed to find a way to combine a near-death Parfait, religion and humor. Here it goes:



70-year-old Parfait went for his annual physical. All of his tests came back with normal results. Dr. Smith said, "Parfait, everything looks great physically. How are you doing mentally and emotionally? Are you at peace with yourself, and do you have a good relationship with your God?"
Parfait replied, "God and me are tight. He knows I have poor eyesight, so he's fixed it so that when I get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom (poof!) the light goes on when I pee, and then (poof!) the light goes off when I'm done."
"Wow," commented Dr. Smith, "that's incredible!"
A little later in the day Dr. Smith called Parfait's wife. "Amelie," he said, "Parfait is just fine. Physically he's great. But I had to call because I'm in awe of his relationship with God.
Is it true that he gets up during the night and (poof!) the light goes on in the bathroom, and then (poof!) the light goes off?"
Thelma exclaimed, "That old fool! He's pissing in the refrigerator again!"

[StevePerryHair]

I've managed to find a way to combine a near-death Parfait, religion and humor. Here it goes:
70-year-old Parfait went for his annual physical. All of his tests came back with normal results. Dr. Smith said, "Parfait, everything looks great physically. How are you doing mentally and emotionally? Are you at peace with yourself, and do you have a good relationship with your God?"
Parfait replied, "God and me are tight. He knows I have poor eyesight, so he's fixed it so that when I get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom (poof!) the light goes on when I pee, and then (poof!) the light goes off when I'm done."
"Wow," commented Dr. Smith, "that's incredible!"
A little later in the day Dr. Smith called Parfait's wife. "Amelie," he said, "Parfait is just fine. Physically he's great. But I had to call because I'm in awe of his relationship with God.
Is it true that he gets up during the night and (poof!) the light goes on in the bathroom, and then (poof!) the light goes off?"
Thelma exclaimed, "That old fool! He's pissing in the refrigerator again!"

[conversationpc]

They disagree on the stuff that isn't 100% validated to try to get to the right answer. It's a self checking mechanism built into science so that everything is continuously under scrutiny to prove that it's right. If a scientist can eventually break it down, they move on to find the correct answer. Even the theory of relativity is under siege every day by scientists to make sure it really holds up..
Does religion have the same safeguards?

Don, that doesn't change the fact that, just like religious folk, scientists still disagree. There's no need to play this semantics game. Unless we're talking about 2+2=4, there will always be disagreement.

[conversationpc]

I've managed to find a way to combine a near-death Parfait, religion and humor. Here it goes:



70-year-old Parfait went for his annual physical. All of his tests came back with normal results. Dr. Smith said, "Parfait, everything looks great physically. How are you doing mentally and emotionally? Are you at peace with yourself, and do you have a good relationship with your God?"
Parfait replied, "God and me are tight. He knows I have poor eyesight, so he's fixed it so that when I get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom (poof!) the light goes on when I pee, and then (poof!) the light goes off when I'm done."
"Wow," commented Dr. Smith, "that's incredible!"
A little later in the day Dr. Smith called Parfait's wife. "Amelie," he said, "Parfait is just fine. Physically he's great. But I had to call because I'm in awe of his relationship with God.
Is it true that he gets up during the night and (poof!) the light goes on in the bathroom, and then (poof!) the light goes off?"
Thelma exclaimed, "That old fool! He's pissing in the refrigerator again!"

[Don]

"Whoever believes in him [Christ] is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son” (John 3:16-18 ).

Since we have different variations of Christians here, What's the standard answer for this question?

Does the above Quote mean that the muslims, hindus and basically 65% of the world's inhabiatants are all going to burn in hell because they don't believe in the Christian doctrine of the trinity? God doesn't say they will go their own versions of heaven, he says they're condemned.
Do most Christian denominations take this to be the literal truth or are there different interpretations out there?

[conversationpc]

"Whoever believes in him [Christ] is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son” (John 3:16-18 ).

Since we have different variations of Christians here, What's the standard answer for this question?

Does the above Quote mean that the muslims, hindus and basically 65% of the world's inhabiatants are all going to burn in hell because they are not Christians. God doesn't say they will go their own versions of heaven, he says they're condemned.
Do most Christian denominations take this to be the literal truth or are there different interpretations out there?

I would say that a strong majority of Christians would believe that to be literally true.

[Don]

"Whoever believes in him [Christ] is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son” (John 3:16-18 ).

Since we have different variations of Christians here, What's the standard answer for this question?

Does the above Quote mean that the muslims, hindus and basically 65% of the world's inhabiatants are all going to burn in hell because they are not Christians. God doesn't say they will go their own versions of heaven, he says they're condemned.
Do most Christian denominations take this to be the literal truth or are there different interpretations out there?

I would say that a strong majority of Christians would believe that to be literally true.

So, how would you explain that to a child if a non christian friend died and your kid wanted to know if they went to heaven? I can't imagine telling the kid that Haji is gong to hell; is this when you need to tell a little white lie or how does it get handled?

[conversationpc]

So, how would you explain that to a child if a non christian friend died and your kid wanted to know if they went to heaven? I can't imagine telling the kid that Haji is gong to hell; is this when you need to tell a little white lie or how does it get handled?

I would tell the truth and say that I don't know.

[Don]

So, how would you explain that to a child if a non christian friend died and your kid wanted to know if they went to heaven? I can't imagine telling the kid that Haji is gong to hell; is this when you need to tell a little white lie or how does it get handled?

I would tell the truth and say that I don't know.

Sounds good to me.

[Saint John]

So, how would you explain that to a child if a non christian friend died and your kid wanted to know if they went to heaven? I can't imagine telling the kid that Haji is gong to hell; is this when you need to tell a little white lie or how does it get handled?

I would tell the truth and say that I don't know.

If you honestly believe that there *is* a possibility of (your) God sending innocent humans, namely children, to burn in hell and/or not be eligible for Heaven, you should probably immediately denounce him and tell him to suck your crank. I would.

[RedWingFan]

So, how would you explain that to a child if a non christian friend died and your kid wanted to know if they went to heaven? I can't imagine telling the kid that Haji is gong to hell; is this when you need to tell a little white lie or how does it get handled?

I would tell the truth and say that I don't know.

If you honestly believe that there *is* a possibility of (your) God sending innocent humans, namely children, to burn in hell and/or not be eligible for Heaven, you should probably immediately denounce him and tell him to suck your crank. I would.

I think you're reading Don's post wrong.

[Rip Rokken]

And the French guy sayeth, "I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! You mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"

[Rip Rokken]

The condom question is a good one. Since God now seemingly turns the cheek concerning pre-marital sex (judging by all the people of faith who have done it) why doesn't he get with the times when it comes to condoms? Abortions are bad but we can't use rubbers? What's up with that?

I don't think God ever said not to use condoms. Does God talk to you Don?

And just because people have premarital sex does not mean that God has decided it's OK.

It was ok for for that slut Mary.

Are you talking about Sister Mary, as in Suite Sister Mary? It wasn't her fault what Father William did to her! She was just 16, and on the run from home!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oUAekdWSO4