OFFICIAL 2010-2011 NHL THREAD season and predictions thread

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Putting allegiances aside, who will win Lord Stanley's cup?

Vancouver Canucks
6
29%
Detroit Red Wings
4
19%
Pittsburgh Penguins
3
14%
Washington Capitals
0
No votes
Philadelphia Flyers
2
10%
St. Louis Blues
0
No votes
Montreal Canadiens
2
10%
Tampa Bay Lightning
0
No votes
Boston Bruins
2
10%
Los Angeles Kings
0
No votes
San Jose Sharks
0
No votes
Chicago Blackhawks
2
10%
New York Rangers
0
No votes
Atlanta Thrashers
0
No votes
Colorado Avalanche
0
No votes
Carolina Hurricanes
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 21

Postby conversationpc » Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:14 pm

Rockindeano wrote:However, IMHO, the super skills competition is cool. Much better to watch than that fuckin retarded slam dunk contest, where all those high priced criminals, errrr, NBA players are in the stands holding up 9 and 10 cards....ridiculous.


The slam dunk contest is, hands down, the most boring all-star related event in pro sports. It hasn't been interesting since Michael Jordan was involved in it.

However, I will watch this year as I can't get enough of Blake Griffin. That guy is starting to cut into Kobe's kingdom here in LA. Exciting player, well spoken and respectful. I am starting to think he is a hockey player in Clippers gear.


That dude is a stud. It'd be scary to think how much better he'd be if he'd played last year. He's already putting up better numbers than almost every other power forward in the league, with the exception of Kevin Love. That dude can play as well.
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:16 pm

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Rockindeano wrote:However, IMHO, the super skills competition is cool. Much better to watch than that fuckin retarded slam dunk contest, where all those high priced criminals, errrr, NBA players are in the stands holding up 9 and 10 cards....ridiculous.


The slam dunk contest is, hands down, the most boring all-star related event in pro sports. It hasn't been interesting since Michael Jordan was involved in it.

However, I will watch this year as I can't get enough of Blake Griffin. That guy is starting to cut into Kobe's kingdom here in LA. Exciting player, well spoken and respectful. I am starting to think he is a hockey player in Clippers gear.


That dude is a stud. It'd be scary to think how much better he'd be if he'd played last year. He's already putting up better numbers than almost every other power forward in the league, with the exception of Kevin Love. That dude can play as well.


I haven't glanced at the NBA stats, but I believe BG has better numbers than Love although I could be wrong....LOL, we're talking about two Gringos here in the world of basketball. Hmm.

Hell, Griffin would be a top 5 MVP vote getter in my book....I would vote him over Bryant right now. He is averaging damn near a double double. He literally jumps out of the gym, and over guys.
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Postby conversationpc » Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:25 pm

Rockindeano wrote:I haven't glanced at the NBA stats, but I believe BG has better numbers than Love although I could be wrong....LOL, we're talking about two Gringos here in the world of basketball. Hmm.

Hell, Griffin would be a top 5 MVP vote getter in my book....I would vote him over Bryant right now. He is averaging damn near a double double. He literally jumps out of the gym, and over guys.


I give the edge to Love because of his ability to hit 3-pointers and foul shots and being the premier rebounder in the entire league. Anyway, here you go...

Blake Griffin = 22.6 PPG & 12.8 RPG
Kevin Love = 21.6 PPG & 15.7 RPG

Griffin has a higher FG% but Love is a deadeye 3pt shooter at nearly 45%. Love is also a far better FT shooter at 87.7% compared to just 61.7% for Griffin. They're both good passers as well but could also both stand to play better defense.
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Postby Saint John » Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:33 pm

Rockindeano wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:However, IMHO, the super skills competition is cool. Much better to watch than that fuckin retarded slam dunk contest, where all those high priced criminals, errrr, NBA players are in the stands holding up 9 and 10 cards....ridiculous.


The slam dunk contest is, hands down, the most boring all-star related event in pro sports. It hasn't been interesting since Michael Jordan was involved in it.

However, I will watch this year as I can't get enough of Blake Griffin. That guy is starting to cut into Kobe's kingdom here in LA. Exciting player, well spoken and respectful. I am starting to think he is a hockey player in Clippers gear.


That dude is a stud. It'd be scary to think how much better he'd be if he'd played last year. He's already putting up better numbers than almost every other power forward in the league, with the exception of Kevin Love. That dude can play as well.


I haven't glanced at the NBA stats, but I believe BG has better numbers than Love although I could be wrong....LOL, we're talking about two Gringos here in the world of basketball. Hmm.

Hell, Griffin would be a top 5 MVP vote getter in my book....I would vote him over Bryant right now. He is averaging damn near a double double. He literally jumps out of the gym, and over guys.


Griffin is averaging 22 and 15, and Love is averaging 21 and 15. The big difference is that Griffin is only shooting around 61% from the FT line and Love is shooting about 82%. Ironically, Griffin was even worse in college, usually being in the upper 50's. He needs to improve that or he'll be an anchor late in games.
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Postby conversationpc » Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:37 pm

Saint John wrote:Griffin is averaging 22 and 15, and Love is averaging 21 and 15. The big difference is that Griffin is only shooting around 61% from the FT line and Love is shooting about 82%. Ironically, Griffin was even worse in college, usually being in the upper 50's. He needs to improve that or he'll be an anchor late in games.


Griffin's averaging 23 & 13. Love is at 22 & 16. The other difference is Love is also a monster 3-pt shooter.
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Postby Saint John » Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:54 pm

Rockindeano wrote:LOL, we're talking about two Gringos here in the world of basketball. Hmm.


Griffin's old man makes Wesley Snipes seem pale! :lol: He's the same as Obama (bi-racial) ... except his mother isn't a soul pole searching whore and his dad isn't a dead womanizing drunk.
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:10 pm

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Saint John wrote:Griffin is averaging 22 and 15, and Love is averaging 21 and 15. The big difference is that Griffin is only shooting around 61% from the FT line and Love is shooting about 82%. Ironically, Griffin was even worse in college, usually being in the upper 50's. He needs to improve that or he'll be an anchor late in games.


Griffin's averaging 23 & 13. Love is at 22 & 16. The other difference is Love is also a monster 3-pt shooter.


I'd say they are identical in stats wouldn't you? The Clippers are a better team though...I can't believe I said that and it's true. :shock:


When Love played at UCLA, I watched them all the time as well as PAC 10 too. Love had a pregame ritual where he would stand flat footed on the baseline, and get this- would two hand chest pass the ball the length of the floor, 96 feet and do it until he made the shot! I went to the WSU at UCLA game and he did it a couple times, making consecutive passes, err shots...two handed chest pass 100 feet...that's sick. However, IMO, Griffin is the better athlete, but Love has exceptional Basketball IQ. He is a slow, fat Gretzky(brains)...I wouldn't say he is a great 3 point shooter, but he is good for his size, as is BG. BG made a game winner from downtown the other night. Love is solid, but BG is more exciting to watch.
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Postby S2M » Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:19 am

OK...I'm beside myself. How is it that Tim Thomas hasn't found his way into the All-Star game? Dude leads in almost every goaltending category.
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:48 am

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The NHL AS game is no different from the other 3 major sports games: Lame.


I couldn't agree more. Sorry to the NHL fans, but this format of picking fantasy teams is fucking lame. The larger issue for me is that the NHL continues to show that they have zero fucking clue how to market their sport. They put their game on Versus (mistake number one) at 4:00pm (mistake number two) going up against a Celtics vs. Lakers game (mistake number three). Like it or not, the NBA is FAR more popular than the NHL will ever be (and I grew up preferring hockey and still do). Put the fucking game on a network that someone can actually find at a time when there actually isn't something far more compelling to watch. Bettman continues to show what a clueless fuck he is!
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Postby treetopovskaya » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:53 am

S2M wrote:OK...I'm beside myself. How is it that Tim Thomas hasn't found his way into the All-Star game? Dude leads in almost every goaltending category.


each goalie played 1 period. thomas was the closer (played the 3rd).
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Postby Deb » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:34 am

:( One of my all-time favorite players is probably retiring......but he might still stay as part of the organization. Conroy, what a great team player. :(

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Postby RedWingFan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:05 am

Rockindeano wrote:I hope this thread gets some traffic...I love the NHL knowledge of this board.

Here's a little light reading for you Deano.
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Ken Holland's battered Detroit death star is in playoff orbit again

Here's some bad news for the many fans outside of the 313 area code who really, really hate the Detroit Red Wings and so badly want to equate the team's general manager, Ken Holland, to the evil Lord Vader:

Meeting the 55-year-old native of Vernon, British Columbia, and not liking him is akin to a six-year-old child spitting out a first taste of chocolate chip ice cream. Not too likely.

Sorry.

Many assume that Holland, the winner of four Stanley Cups in Detroit since 1997 (three as GM, one as assistant GM) -- and the steward of a team that has amassed 100 points or more in an astounding 11 of his 12 years on the job -- might be a little regal and overbearing. But he is the kind of guy who apologizes to an out-of-town reporter for calling back a few minutes later than he said he would, and who mixes as easily with millionaire athletes as he does with the blue-collar fans at the end of the bar.

A 5-foot-8, 160-pound former goalie who played in a grand total of four NHL games (three for Detroit, one for Hartford -- and in that one for the Whalers, he allowed seven goals), Holland is hockey's humble front-office big shot.

"I pinch myself a lot," he says. "I can still remember just being a 14-, 15-year-old kid playing road hockey in the driveway with the neighbors and pretending I was an NHL player, and [I got] a little cup of coffee in the NHL. Then at the age of 29, I really thought I was done with hockey. I was just trying to find a life."

He found one, latching on as a scout with Detroit in 1985 and he has been there ever since, assuming the GM position after the Red Wings' 1996-97 Cup season, during which he served as assistant to Jim Devellano. Three more Cups followed, and a couple bounces here and there could have brought a couple more. Along the way, Holland has eviscerated the tag that green-eyed competitors used to love to hang on him, the same one that Brian Cashman has gotten used to as GM of the New York Yankees. It goes something like, "Oh gee, real tough when you've got an open checkbook at your disposal."

Holland was given the task of reorganizing the roughly $70 million team payroll of 2003-04 into a $39 million one mandated by the NHL's post-lockout collective bargaining agreement of 2005-06. Despite the turnstile departure of many big names (Brett Hull, Ray Whitney, Dominik Hasek, Mathieu Schneider, Derian Hatcher, Curtis Joseph, Darren McCarty), the '05-06 Wings under new coach Mike Babcock had a 58-16-8 record

"We had to take some chances. We had to take some risks," Holland says of those more frugal days. "We brought in a Dan Cleary on a tryout, we signed Andreas Lilja for $500,000, we signed Mikael Samuelsson for $500,000, we brought back Chris Osgood. We were just looking for guys who we thought might help us make that kind of transition from a high-dollar team to one with half the payroll."

No matter what the cap number since the lockout, life has worked out well. Since the 1970s and '80s days of Wings that played more like Paul McCartney's old band than a hockey team, Detroit has made the playoffs for 19 consecutive seasons. Which brings us to this year's team.

Despite a recent rash of injuries, the Wings are right there in their usual Death Star orbit. Wednesday's 7-5 win at Ottawa -- on the strength of five goals from 2004 third-round pick Johan Franzen -- gave Holland's team a pretty 31-13-6 record.

Soon, all-world center Pavel Datsyuk will be back from injury, along with Cleary. After that, Tomas Holmstrom and Mike Modano should rejoin the mix. Meanwhile, Holland believes his team might be better off having suffered the injuries. How is this fair?

"In the short term, the injuries have probably had an effect on our win-loss record, but we think we're going to be deeper in March and April," he says. "After the injury to (defenseman) Brad Stuart, we've had Jakub Kindl, a 22-year-old kid who was our first-round pick, be in there every night now. He's playing 15-to-17 minutes a night and gaining more confidence and the coaches are getting more confidence in him. He's an example of the positives we're getting from these injuries."

But what about Detroit's dicey goaltending? What about that signing of KHL-returnee Evgeni Nabokov last week? That move ended badly with the netminder being claimed on waivers by the New York Islanders. Alas, no from Russia with glove for the Wings...

Holland insists that the Nabokov signing was no indictment of Howard, who can be an unrestricted free agent in July, and that it had more to do with backup Osgood's tenuous health (he's expected to be out several more weeks following sports hernia surgery).

"It was an opportunity," Holland says of the brief courtship of Nabokov, the runner-up for the Vezina Trophy in 2008. "As a manager, our mandate is to find ways to make your team better. He's still only 34 and made the final four last year. He made the decision to go to Russia and things didn't work out and he wanted to come back. Had Chris Osgood been healthy and we'd had two healthy goalies, I probably wouldn't have done anything. But we're still only (11) points [above] ninth place right now, and every win is critical. We believe in (current backup) Joey MacDonald, but with all due respect, Joey MacDonald isn't Evgeni Nabokov."

Despite losing Nabokov -- who is currently on the suspended list for refusing to report to the Islanders -- Holland says he wouldn't change the NHL's waiver-rule system. And while other additions are still possible leading up to the Feb. 28 trade deadline (don't be surprised if Holland tries to land another veteran defenseman), the Wings' front-office boss admits to being "very happy with what we've got" and with his lot in life overall. He's far too modest to pen some pompous Secrets of My Success business management book like many others in the sports world have done.

"Number 1, you have to work with talented, committed people and I've been lucky to do that here," he says. "And I would say my overall management philosophy has been to believe in patience. I really believe in patience with player development. But I've been lucky to have been in such a winning environment since I took over this job. My patience really hasn't been tested."

The way things are going, it will be a while before haters can enjoy that satisfaction.
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Postby StevePerryHair » Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:08 am

Wow RWF, you're pretty far up Deans ass today!! People are going to start to talk :oops: :lol:
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Postby RedWingFan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:30 am

StevePerryHair wrote:Wow RWF, you're pretty far up Deans ass today!! People are going to start to talk :oops: :lol:

Yeah, because I run some Red Wing smack on his Canuck loving ass. :roll: Yeah, what an ass kisser I am. :roll: You should try running a thought or 2 through your brain occasionally before you post.

If you think that's being up his ass go check out the Obama thread. :lol:
I can't believe you have the nerve to call ANYONE a dumbass. :lol:
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Postby Behshad » Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:58 am

Great News !
Peter Forsberg is coming back to NHL. :D
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Postby Deb » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:07 am

Behshad wrote:Great News !
Peter Forsberg is coming back to NHL. :D


LOL, I'm still in morning. :lol: :( Next to Iggy, my all-time favorite NHL player retired this week. What a GREAT fan tribute to Conny, love how they put it to Bon Jovi's Raise Your Hands, excellent! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcUuhIuCQck

He's a well loved player by fans and teammates here, so Calgary is very happy he is remaining in the Flames organization as a special assistant to the GM. :D
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Postby Saint John » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:14 am

Deb wrote:LOL, I'm still in morning.


Don't worry, Deb, it should be afternoon in no time at all. :lol: :twisted:
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Postby whirlwind » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:10 am

Saint John wrote:
Deb wrote:LOL, I'm still in morning.


Don't worry, Deb, it should afternoon in no time at all. :lol: :twisted:




It could night, Dan. :lol: :lol:
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Postby Saint John » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:14 am

whirlwind wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Deb wrote:LOL, I'm still in morning.


Don't worry, Deb, it should be afternoon in no time at all. :lol: :twisted:




It could be night, Dan. :lol: :lol:




Huh? :lol: :oops: :wink:
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Postby Deb » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:59 am

Saint John wrote:
Deb wrote:LOL, I'm still in morning.


Don't worry, Deb, it should be afternoon in no time at all. :lol: :twisted:


:lol: :oops: Ooops, ya got me. :lol: Should read "mourning"
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Postby Behshad » Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:03 pm

Deb wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Deb wrote:LOL, I'm still in morning.


Don't worry, Deb, it should be afternoon in no time at all. :lol: :twisted:


:lol: :oops: Ooops, ya got me. :lol: Should read "mourning" paper


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Postby S2M » Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:50 am

Nothing I Love better than watching Tuukaa Rask get his ass beat....this guy sucks. Giving up 5 goals already and Julien doesn't seem to want to pull him.
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Postby StevePerryHair » Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:52 am

S2M wrote:Nothing I Love better than watching Tuukaa Rask get his ass beat....this guy sucks. Giving up 5 goals already and Julien doesn't seem to want to pull him.
Really? Not even Crosby getting his ass beat? :lol:
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StevePerryHair wrote:
S2M wrote:Nothing I Love better than watching Tuukaa Rask get his ass beat....this guy sucks. Giving up 5 goals already and Julien doesn't seem to want to pull him.
Really? Not even Crosby getting his ass beat? :lol:


No, but Pitt is losing 7-2 to Islanders.....half-smile from me.... :lol:
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Postby Enigma869 » Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:50 am

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No, but Pitt is losing 7-2 to Islanders.....half-smile from me.... :lol:


Fuck Pittsburgh. Matt Cooke is the dirtiest play in the history of the NHL and I don't even know how Penguins fans can root for a team with that big of a douche on the team. Somebody should meet up with that fucker in a dark alley and break his knee caps. I honestly have no idea how this guy has a job in the NHL and the fact that he only got a 4 game suspension for his latest ambush tells me that the NHL is really fucking clueless when it comes to handing out discipline to its players!
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Postby S2M » Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:11 am

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S2M wrote:
No, but Pitt is losing 7-2 to Islanders.....half-smile from me.... :lol:


Fuck Pittsburgh. Matt Cooke is the dirtiest play in the history of the NHL and I don't even know how Penguins fans can root for a team with that big of a douche on the team. Somebody should meet up with that fucker in a dark alley and break his knee caps. I honestly have no idea how this guy has a job in the NHL and the fact that he only got a 4 game suspension for his latest ambush tells me that the NHL is really fucking clueless when it comes to handing out discipline to its players!


I can't believe he didn't get a suspension for blindsiding Savard last year.... :shock: :?
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Postby StevePerryHair » Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:02 pm

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No, but Pitt is losing 7-2 to Islanders.....half-smile from me.... :lol:


Fuck Pittsburgh. Matt Cooke is the dirtiest play in the history of the NHL and I don't even know how Penguins fans can root for a team with that big of a douche on the team. Somebody should meet up with that fucker in a dark alley and break his knee caps. I honestly have no idea how this guy has a job in the NHL and the fact that he only got a 4 game suspension for his latest ambush tells me that the NHL is really fucking clueless when it comes to handing out discipline to its players!


Yeah, everyone should just stop rooting for them. :roll: I bet Boston teams NEVER have douches. They must shit gold bricks I bet. I'll root for who I want, but thanks. :)
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:35 am

StevePerryHair wrote:Yeah, everyone should just stop rooting for them. :roll: I bet Boston teams NEVER have douches. They must shit gold bricks I bet. I'll root for who I want, but thanks. :)


First off, eye roller...I never claimed that no Boston team ever had a douche on it. I simply said that Matt Cooke is the biggest douche I've ever seen come into the NHL. I simply wouldn't want a guy on my hometown team (or really in the league) who goes out of his way to attempt to injure every player he crosses paths with. His actions on the ice are simply indefensible, whether you're a fan of the team or not!
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Postby StevePerryHair » Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:03 am

Enigma869 wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:Yeah, everyone should just stop rooting for them. :roll: I bet Boston teams NEVER have douches. They must shit gold bricks I bet. I'll root for who I want, but thanks. :)


First off, eye roller...I never claimed that no Boston team ever had a douche on it. I simply said that Matt Cooke is the biggest douche I've ever seen come into the NHL. I simply wouldn't want a guy on my hometown team (or really in the league) who goes out of his way to attempt to injure every player he crosses paths with. His actions on the ice are simply indefensible, whether you're a fan of the team or not!

:roll: :roll: :lol:
Well, I'm not the owner or manager, so I can't really control that. It's certainly not a reason to ditch a team.
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:03 am

Hilarious quotes from Mario Lemieux on the heels of the brawl between the Penguins and Islanders:

"The NHL had a chance to send a clear and strong message that those kinds of actions are unacceptable and embarrassing to the sport. It failed,"

"We, as a league, must do a better job of protecting the integrity of the game and the safety of our players. We must make it clear that those kinds of actions will not be tolerated and will be met with meaningful disciplinary action."


What a fucking fraud, coming from a guy who employs Matt Cooke!
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