Congratulations To The Egyptians

[Peartree12249]

Mubarak has finally agreed to resign as a result of massive, mostly peaceful, nonviolent protests. My best wishes to the people of Egypt and my hope is that they are able to create a secular government that represents all the men & women of Egypt, allows freedom of religion, speech and expression. One that offers educational & economic opportunities to it's citizens & continues to be at peace with it's neighbor Israel. This is the only way that terriorism can truly be defeated in the middle east.

[Don]

Mubarak has finally agreed to resign as a result of massive, mostly peaceful, nonviolent protests. My best wishes to the people of Egypt and my hope is that they are able to create a secular government that represents all the men & women of Egypt, allows freedom of religion, speech and expression. One that offers educational & economic opportunities to it's citizens & continues to be at peace with it's neighbor Israel. This is the only way that terriorism can truly be defeated in the middle east.

[Behshad]

Mubarak has finally agreed to resign as a result of massive, mostly peaceful, nonviolent protests. My best wishes to the people of Egypt and my hope is that they are able to create a secular government that represents all the men & women of Egypt, allows freedom of religion, speech and expression. One that offers educational & economic opportunities to it's citizens & continues to be at peace with it's neighbor Israel. This is the only way that terriorism can truly be defeated in the middle east.

Or it could go the complete opposite directions. 30 years ago when Iranian people made a revolution to get rid of a dictator (that actually cared for the country ) they ended up in a much worse situation that they cant get out of, with Islamist morons in charge promoring terrorism

[Peartree12249]

Mubarak has finally agreed to resign as a result of massive, mostly peaceful, nonviolent protests. My best wishes to the people of Egypt and my hope is that they are able to create a secular government that represents all the men & women of Egypt, allows freedom of religion, speech and expression. One that offers educational & economic opportunities to it's citizens & continues to be at peace with it's neighbor Israel. This is the only way that terriorism can truly be defeated in the middle east.

"You might say I'm a dreamer...but I'm not the only one."

[Michigan Girl]

My cousin owns a business in Cairo ...we've been worried!!
He's good ...

http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2011 ... nkaba/?hpw

[S2M]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPWNsGFXCZk

[StevePerryHair]

Mubarak has finally agreed to resign as a result of massive, mostly peaceful, nonviolent protests. My best wishes to the people of Egypt and my hope is that they are able to create a secular government that represents all the men & women of Egypt, allows freedom of religion, speech and expression. One that offers educational & economic opportunities to it's citizens & continues to be at peace with it's neighbor Israel. This is the only way that terriorism can truly be defeated in the middle east.

Or it could go the complete opposite directions. 30 years ago when Iranian people made a revolution to get rid of a dictator (that actually cared for the country ) they ended up in a much worse situation that they cant get out of, with Islamist morons in charge promoring terrorism

That's exactly what I've been thinking. I'm figuring any chance of seeing the pyramids may have ended!!

[Saint John]

My cousin owns a business in Cairo ...we've been worried!!
He's good ...

http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2011 ... nkaba/?hpw

You guys look alike.

[Peartree12249]

Mubarak has finally agreed to resign as a result of massive, mostly peaceful, nonviolent protests. My best wishes to the people of Egypt and my hope is that they are able to create a secular government that represents all the men & women of Egypt, allows freedom of religion, speech and expression. One that offers educational & economic opportunities to it's citizens & continues to be at peace with it's neighbor Israel. This is the only way that terriorism can truly be defeated in the middle east.

Or it could go the complete opposite directions. 30 years ago when Iranian people made a revolution to get rid of a dictator (that actually cared for the country ) they ended up in a much worse situation that they cant get out of, with Islamist morons in charge promoring terrorism

That's true, but it seems most experts in the region don't feel that the situation in Egypt is comparable to what happened in Iran. My understanding is that the Iranians practiced a different form of Islam and their religious leaders were much more politically active than in Egypt. Yes, there is the muslim brotherhood, but by all accounts they do not represent the majority of the population. The question is how long will it take them to hold elections and form a govenment? It in the US, the Declaration of Independence was written in 1776, but the Constitution wasn't ratified and a new government formed until 1788. Granted things move a little quicker these days, but this process will still take time. The fact that the Egyptians were able to oust Mubarak after only 17 days is stunning.

[Don]

Mubarak has finally agreed to resign as a result of massive, mostly peaceful, nonviolent protests. My best wishes to the people of Egypt and my hope is that they are able to create a secular government that represents all the men & women of Egypt, allows freedom of religion, speech and expression. One that offers educational & economic opportunities to it's citizens & continues to be at peace with it's neighbor Israel. This is the only way that terriorism can truly be defeated in the middle east.

Or it could go the complete opposite directions. 30 years ago when Iranian people made a revolution to get rid of a dictator (that actually cared for the country ) they ended up in a much worse situation that they cant get out of, with Islamist morons in charge promoring terrorism

That's exactly what I've been thinking. I'm figuring any chance of seeing the pyramids may have ended!!

It was neat to finally see them but I have to say it was a bit underwhelming too. Things look so grand when presented on TV or in a magazine but when you get close up, sometimes a little bit of the luster is lost.
Don't fret though if you miss your chance, as long as you are willing to travel there are so many other cool things to see in this world.

[StevePerryHair]

Mubarak has finally agreed to resign as a result of massive, mostly peaceful, nonviolent protests. My best wishes to the people of Egypt and my hope is that they are able to create a secular government that represents all the men & women of Egypt, allows freedom of religion, speech and expression. One that offers educational & economic opportunities to it's citizens & continues to be at peace with it's neighbor Israel. This is the only way that terriorism can truly be defeated in the middle east.

Or it could go the complete opposite directions. 30 years ago when Iranian people made a revolution to get rid of a dictator (that actually cared for the country ) they ended up in a much worse situation that they cant get out of, with Islamist morons in charge promoring terrorism

That's exactly what I've been thinking. I'm figuring any chance of seeing the pyramids may have ended!!

It was neat to finally see them but I have to say it was a bit underwhelming too. Things look so grand when presented on TV or in a magazine but when you get close up, sometimes a little bit of the luster is lost.
Don't fret though if you miss your chance, as long as you are willing to travel there are so many other cool things to see in this world.

Cool pic! It's just one of those things on my list if I ever got to travel overseas! The Mayan stuff is really interesting to me, and we've been to some ruins in Mexico. I think it would have been cool to see that part of Egyot too. Top on my list is I'd really like to go to Italy someday. Maybe someday!!

[S2M]

Better watch out for this guy



Yusuf al-Qaradawi

[conversationpc]

There isn't anything to celebrate yet and there's a good chance that, even if the Muslim Brotherhood represents a minority, they still have a good shot at gaining power. They are easily the most organized opposition party to the government there right now.

[Behshad]

Mubarak has finally agreed to resign as a result of massive, mostly peaceful, nonviolent protests. My best wishes to the people of Egypt and my hope is that they are able to create a secular government that represents all the men & women of Egypt, allows freedom of religion, speech and expression. One that offers educational & economic opportunities to it's citizens & continues to be at peace with it's neighbor Israel. This is the only way that terriorism can truly be defeated in the middle east.

Or it could go the complete opposite directions. 30 years ago when Iranian people made a revolution to get rid of a dictator (that actually cared for the country ) they ended up in a much worse situation that they cant get out of, with Islamist morons in charge promoring terrorism

That's exactly what I've been thinking. I'm figuring any chance of seeing the pyramids may have ended!!

It was neat to finally see them but I have to say it was a bit underwhelming too. Things look so grand when presented on TV or in a magazine but when you get close up, sometimes a little bit of the luster is lost.
Don't fret though if you miss your chance, as long as you are willing to travel there are so many other cool things to see in this world.

Any reason you posted a picture of Chandler in Egypt ?!

[Duncan]

Mubarak has finally agreed to resign as a result of massive, mostly peaceful, nonviolent protests. My best wishes to the people of Egypt and my hope is that they are able to create a secular government that represents all the men & women of Egypt, allows freedom of religion, speech and expression. One that offers educational & economic opportunities to it's citizens & continues to be at peace with it's neighbor Israel. This is the only way that terriorism can truly be defeated in the middle east.

Or it could go the complete opposite directions. 30 years ago when Iranian people made a revolution to get rid of a dictator (that actually cared for the country ) they ended up in a much worse situation that they cant get out of, with Islamist morons in charge promoring terrorism

That's exactly what I've been thinking. I'm figuring any chance of seeing the pyramids may have ended!!

We had a TV series over here where one of Ricky Gervais' mates was sent to visit the 7 wonders of the world. Her is a clip of him visiting Egypt and the pyramids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7gL9ofxl0g

[Saint John]

Better watch out for this guy



Yusuf al-Qaradawi

Is that Cat Stevens?

[Babyblue]

Mubarak has finally agreed to resign as a result of massive, mostly peaceful, nonviolent protests. My best wishes to the people of Egypt and my hope is that they are able to create a secular government that represents all the men & women of Egypt, allows freedom of religion, speech and expression. One that offers educational & economic opportunities to it's citizens & continues to be at peace with it's neighbor Israel. This is the only way that terriorism can truly be defeated in the middle east.

"You might say I'm a dreamer...but I'm not the only one."

That is so true peartree.

[Don]

Better watch out for this guy



Yusuf al-Qaradawi

Is that Cat Stevens?

With herpes?

[steveo777]

Better watch out for this guy



Yusuf al-Qaradawi

Who in the fuck is that and why should we care?

[Saint John]

Better watch out for this guy



Yusuf al-Qaradawi

Who in the fuck is that and why should we care?[/quote

That's Journey's new spiritual advisor.

[artist4perry]

Better watch out for this guy



Yusuf al-Qaradawi

Who in the fuck is that and why should we care?[/quote

That's Journey's new spiritual advisor.

So with his facial condition would you call him a Holey Moley?

[Don]

Better watch out for this guy



Yusuf al-Qaradawi

Who in the fuck is that and why should we care?

That's Journey's new spiritual advisor.

Rock & Roll Jihad at Pachanga.
Film at eleven.

[Monker]

Mubarak has finally agreed to resign as a result of massive, mostly peaceful, nonviolent protests. My best wishes to the people of Egypt and my hope is that they are able to create a secular government that represents all the men & women of Egypt, allows freedom of religion, speech and expression. One that offers educational & economic opportunities to it's citizens & continues to be at peace with it's neighbor Israel. This is the only way that terriorism can truly be defeated in the middle east.

Or it could go the complete opposite directions. 30 years ago when Iranian people made a revolution to get rid of a dictator (that actually cared for the country ) they ended up in a much worse situation that they cant get out of, with Islamist morons in charge promoring terrorism

That's true, but it seems most experts in the region don't feel that the situation in Egypt is comparable to what happened in Iran. My understanding is that the Iranians practiced a different form of Islam and their religious leaders were much more politically active than in Egypt. Yes, there is the muslim brotherhood, but by all accounts they do not represent the majority of the population. The question is how long will it take them to hold elections and form a govenment? It in the US, the Declaration of Independence was written in 1776, but the Constitution wasn't ratified and a new government formed until 1788. Granted things move a little quicker these days, but this process will still take time. The fact that the Egyptians were able to oust Mubarak after only 17 days is stunning.

This isn't true. The first Constitution, the "Articles of Confederation", was sent to the states to be ratified in 1777...and was being used even before it was ratified. Yes, it was flawed in many ways and was eventually replaced....But, implying it took until the current Constitution to be written before a federal government was formed is simply not true.

[Peartree12249]

Mubarak has finally agreed to resign as a result of massive, mostly peaceful, nonviolent protests. My best wishes to the people of Egypt and my hope is that they are able to create a secular government that represents all the men & women of Egypt, allows freedom of religion, speech and expression. One that offers educational & economic opportunities to it's citizens & continues to be at peace with it's neighbor Israel. This is the only way that terriorism can truly be defeated in the middle east.

Or it could go the complete opposite directions. 30 years ago when Iranian people made a revolution to get rid of a dictator (that actually cared for the country ) they ended up in a much worse situation that they cant get out of, with Islamist morons in charge promoring terrorism

That's true, but it seems most experts in the region don't feel that the situation in Egypt is comparable to what happened in Iran. My understanding is that the Iranians practiced a different form of Islam and their religious leaders were much more politically active than in Egypt. Yes, there is the muslim brotherhood, but by all accounts they do not represent the majority of the population. The question is how long will it take them to hold elections and form a govenment? It in the US, the Declaration of Independence was written in 1776, but the Constitution wasn't ratified and a new government formed until 1788. Granted things move a little quicker these days, but this process will still take time. The fact that the Egyptians were able to oust Mubarak after only 17 days is stunning.

This isn't true. The first Constitution, the "Articles of Confederation", was sent to the states to be ratified in 1777...and was being used even before it was ratified. Yes, it was flawed in many ways and was eventually replaced....But, implying it took until the current Constitution to be written before a federal government was formed is simply not true.

You are correct that the Articles of Confederation was created first. Technically it was ratified by the last state Maryland in 1781. But the Articles are not the Constitution that we know today. Here are some of the differences.

The Articles of Confederation (1781-1787):
1. Did not have a President of the United States
2. Every state was independent (sovereign) the United States was not referred to as a nation
3. ALL states had to agree to change the A. of C.
4. Treaties could NOT be made on behalf of the United States
5. Trade agreements could NOT be made on behaf of the United States
6. The A. of C. did NOT unite the states but instead allowed them to remain independent and self-governing.
7. There was no military.
8. There was no power to tax.


The Constitution of the United States (1789-present)
1. Established a Congress, a Supreme Court, and a President
2. Could be changed much more easily than the A. of C.
3. Gave powers to the government to tax.
4. Gave powers to the government to add land.
5. Gave powers to the government to make treaties, tariffs, embargos, and trade agreements.
6. Established the military with the President in charge.
7. Established a House of Representatives and a Senate
8. Left the door open to change (or amend) the Constiutition in the future which we have 27 times.)

[Monker]

Mubarak has finally agreed to resign as a result of massive, mostly peaceful, nonviolent protests. My best wishes to the people of Egypt and my hope is that they are able to create a secular government that represents all the men & women of Egypt, allows freedom of religion, speech and expression. One that offers educational & economic opportunities to it's citizens & continues to be at peace with it's neighbor Israel. This is the only way that terriorism can truly be defeated in the middle east.

Or it could go the complete opposite directions. 30 years ago when Iranian people made a revolution to get rid of a dictator (that actually cared for the country ) they ended up in a much worse situation that they cant get out of, with Islamist morons in charge promoring terrorism

That's true, but it seems most experts in the region don't feel that the situation in Egypt is comparable to what happened in Iran. My understanding is that the Iranians practiced a different form of Islam and their religious leaders were much more politically active than in Egypt. Yes, there is the muslim brotherhood, but by all accounts they do not represent the majority of the population. The question is how long will it take them to hold elections and form a govenment? It in the US, the Declaration of Independence was written in 1776, but the Constitution wasn't ratified and a new government formed until 1788. Granted things move a little quicker these days, but this process will still take time. The fact that the Egyptians were able to oust Mubarak after only 17 days is stunning.

This isn't true. The first Constitution, the "Articles of Confederation", was sent to the states to be ratified in 1777...and was being used even before it was ratified. Yes, it was flawed in many ways and was eventually replaced....But, implying it took until the current Constitution to be written before a federal government was formed is simply not true.

You are correct that the Articles of Confederation was created first. Technically it was ratified by the last state Maryland in 1781. But the Articles are not the Constitution that we know today. Here are some of the differences.

The Articles of Confederation (1781-1787):
1. Did not have a President of the United States
2. Every state was independent (sovereign) the United States was not referred to as a nation
3. ALL states had to agree to change the A. of C.
4. Treaties could NOT be made on behalf of the United States
5. Trade agreements could NOT be made on behaf of the United States
6. The A. of C. did NOT unite the states but instead allowed them to remain independent and self-governing.
7. There was no military.
8. There was no power to tax.


The Constitution of the United States (1789-present)
1. Established a Congress, a Supreme Court, and a President
2. Could be changed much more easily than the A. of C.
3. Gave powers to the government to tax.
4. Gave powers to the government to add land.
5. Gave powers to the government to make treaties, tariffs, embargos, and trade agreements.
6. Established the military with the President in charge.
7. Established a House of Representatives and a Senate
8. Left the door open to change (or amend) the Constiutition in the future which we have 27 times.)

I already knew all of this...I said so when I said that it was flawed in many ways and was replaced. And, some of the things you said in your comparison are not quite true but this is irrelevant to why I made the last post.

You implied that we had no federal government until 1788. The fact of the matter is we had a functioning federal government in a relatively short amount of time. It may have been "technically ratified" in 1781, but it was being used in 1777...and established the federal government, congress, and the 'confederation' of the United States of America. That is a simple fact...to use our example to compare to Egypt and say it may take them a long time is a flawed argument.

I don't know or care one way or the other if it will take 'a long time'. But, I will say that this is the proper way for democracy to come to a nation...by the nations own people rising up and demanding it. Not the arrogance of the US imposing it on another nation because we feel it is right. Funny how the same people who say Saddam gassed his own people and deserved to be removed from power are just as scared of Islamic fundamentalist as he was....in different political circumstances, I think many of those people would say he was right for doing it.