Giving up Diet Coke/Diet pop in general - what do you drink?

[parfait]

That stuff apparently causes depression in some people....and, since I've battled that problem in the past - while drinking a ton of Diet Pepsi -
...well NO WONDER I was so miserable!

If you think diet pop caused or exacerbated your depression, you've got bigger fish to fry than depression. Like being nuts!

FDA: "To date, the FDA has not determined any consistent pattern of symptoms that can be attributed to the use of aspartame, nor is the agency aware of any recent studies that clearly show safety problems."

MIT News: "Even daily large doses of the high-intesity sweetener aspartame, also known as Nutrasweet, had no adverse effect on study subjects' health and well-being, a visiting scientist at MITreported in the American Journal Of Clinical Nutritionlast week.

"We conclude that aspartame is safe for the general population." said Paul A. Spiers, visiting scientist in the Clinical Rsearch Center (CRC).

This is like the religion debate all over again. It's just people like Verslibre who makes up their own mind, despite of what all the fucking evidence says. If it's the synthesized part of it someone's afraid of, then I got news for you: almost every taste and flavor is today synthesized in the lab, because it's both cheaper and the quality control is better. That goes for vitamins and supplements too.

I'm perfectly aware of how addictions and cravings work, but I've also seen almost every fatass who's come into the clinics blaming a sugar or fat addiction for their Hippo size. It's only laziness, bad habits and no willpower. It's not even that hard to lose weight - just stop eating shit and spend an hour working out everyday. After a year of avoiding candy and sweets, you won't even like the taste of it.

[verslibre]

This is like the religion debate all over again. It's just people like Verslibre who makes up their own mind, despite of what all the fucking evidence says.

"What all the fucking evidence says"?

Here's your fucking evidence:

"Fully 11% of aspartame is methanol -- 1,120 mg aspartame
in 2 L diet soda, almost six 12-oz cans, gives 123 mg
methanol (wood alcohol). If 30% of the methanol is turned
into formaldehyde, the amount of formaldehyde, 37 mg,
is 18.5 times the USA EPA limit for daily formaldehyde in
drinking water, 2.0 mg in 2 L average daily drinking water,

185 times the New Jersey limit,
615 times the California and Maine limits,
1850 times the Maryland limit."

Aspartame Causes Cancer in Rats at Levels Currently Approved for Humans

A statistically significant increase in the incidence of malignant tumors, lymphomas and leukemias in rats exposed to varying doses of aspartame appears to link the artificial sweetener to a high carcinogenicity rate, according to a study accepted for publication today by the peer-reviewed journal Environmental Health Perspectives (EHP). The authors of the study, the first to demonstrate multipotential carcinogenic effects of aspartame administered to rats in feed, called for an "urgent reevaluation" of the current guidelines for the use and consumption of this compound.

"Our study has shown that aspartame is a multipotential carcinogenic compound whose carcinogenic effects are also evident at a daily dose of 20 milligrams per kilogram of body weight (mg/kg), notably less than the current acceptable daily intake for humans," the authors write. Currently, the acceptable daily intake for humans is set at 50 mg/kg in the United States and 40 mg/kg in Europe.

Read the rest of the article at:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/34040.php[/quote]

[verslibre]

This article is much too long to paste here, but I think the first sentences that appear below the Discussion and Conclusion sections speak for themselves.

http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=info:doi/10.1289/ehp.8711

The mega-experiment performed in our laboratory on APM (administered with feed to Sprague-Dawley rats from 8 weeks of age until natural death) has shown for the first time the multipotential carcinogenic effects of this compound.

Our study shows that APM is a multi-potential carcinogenic compound whose carcinogenic effects are evident even at a daily dose of 20 mg/kg bw, much less than the current ADI for humans in Europe (40 mg/kg bw) and in the United States (50 mg/kg bw).

Of particular interest is this line in the article:

The authors declare they have no competing financial interests.

I guess that's one study the makers of aspartame couldn't silence with their money.

[StevePerryHair]

That stuff apparently causes depression in some people....and, since I've battled that problem in the past - while drinking a ton of Diet Pepsi -
...well NO WONDER I was so miserable!

If you think diet pop caused or exacerbated your depression, you've got bigger fish to fry than depression. Like being nuts!

FDA: "To date, the FDA has not determined any consistent pattern of symptoms that can be attributed to the use of aspartame, nor is the agency aware of any recent studies that clearly show safety problems."

MIT News: "Even daily large doses of the high-intesity sweetener aspartame, also known as Nutrasweet, had no adverse effect on study subjects' health and well-being, a visiting scientist at MITreported in the American Journal Of Clinical Nutritionlast week.

"We conclude that aspartame is safe for the general population." said Paul A. Spiers, visiting scientist in the Clinical Rsearch Center (CRC).

This is like the religion debate all over again. It's just people like Verslibre who makes up their own mind, despite of what all the fucking evidence says. If it's the synthesized part of it someone's afraid of, then I got news for you: almost every taste and flavor is today synthesized in the lab, because it's both cheaper and the quality control is better. That goes for vitamins and supplements too.

I'm perfectly aware of how addictions and cravings work, but I've also seen almost every fatass who's come into the clinics blaming a sugar or fat addiction for their Hippo size. It's only laziness, bad habits and no willpower. It's not even that hard to lose weight - just stop eating shit and spend an hour working out everyday. After a year of avoiding candy and sweets, you won't even like the taste of it.

It's not the religious debate all over again. THIS is basically EVERYONE vs. Parfait concerning ANYTHING science because you would know a fact if it bit you in the ass. Until you learn what a "fact" is, I suspect you will always be alone in your debating and you will always come out the dumb ass in the end.

[verslibre]

This is like the religion debate all over again. It's just people like Verslibre who makes up their own mind, despite of what all the fucking evidence says. If it's the synthesized part of it someone's afraid of, then I got news for you: almost every taste and flavor is today synthesized in the lab, because it's both cheaper and the quality control is better. That goes for vitamins and supplements too.

I'm perfectly aware of how addictions and cravings work, but I've also seen almost every fatass who's come into the clinics blaming a sugar or fat addiction for their Hippo size. It's only laziness, bad habits and no willpower. It's not even that hard to lose weight - just stop eating shit and spend an hour working out everyday. After a year of avoiding candy and sweets, you won't even like the taste of it.

It's not the religious debate all over again. THIS is basically EVERYONE vs. Parfait concerning ANYTHING science because you would know a fact if it bit you in the ass. Until you learn what a "fact" is, I suspect you will always be alone in your debating and you will always come out the dumb ass in the end.

I can't wait to hear what the dude's definition of carcinogenic is.

[FinnFreak]

Daily: mostly tap water (as it's purer than the bottled "mountain spring-my ass" stuff), coffee, milk, tea, and sometimes - buttermilk.

Booze, beer & red wine on weekends.

Soft (read: sugared carbonated water) drinks: NEVER. Same with white wine: NEVER. It's horrid diabetic horse piss.


John -

[Saint John]

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp

[parfait]

This is like the religion debate all over again. It's just people like Verslibre who makes up their own mind, despite of what all the fucking evidence says.

"What all the fucking evidence says"?

Here's your fucking evidence:

"Fully 11% of aspartame is methanol -- 1,120 mg aspartame
in 2 L diet soda, almost six 12-oz cans, gives 123 mg
methanol (wood alcohol). If 30% of the methanol is turned
into formaldehyde, the amount of formaldehyde, 37 mg,
is 18.5 times the USA EPA limit for daily formaldehyde in
drinking water, 2.0 mg in 2 L average daily drinking water,

185 times the New Jersey limit,
615 times the California and Maine limits,
1850 times the Maryland limit."

Aspartame Causes Cancer in Rats at Levels Currently Approved for Humans

A statistically significant increase in the incidence of malignant tumors, lymphomas and leukemias in rats exposed to varying doses of aspartame appears to link the artificial sweetener to a high carcinogenicity rate, according to a study accepted for publication today by the peer-reviewed journal Environmental Health Perspectives (EHP). The authors of the study, the first to demonstrate multipotential carcinogenic effects of aspartame administered to rats in feed, called for an "urgent reevaluation" of the current guidelines for the use and consumption of this compound.

"Our study has shown that aspartame is a multipotential carcinogenic compound whose carcinogenic effects are also evident at a daily dose of 20 milligrams per kilogram of body weight (mg/kg), notably less than the current acceptable daily intake for humans," the authors write. Currently, the acceptable daily intake for humans is set at 50 mg/kg in the United States and 40 mg/kg in Europe.

Read the rest of the article at:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/34040.php

There's more methanol in fruit juice than it's in aspartame and what little of it quickly gets oxidized into formaldehyde and further into formic acid. The body produces far more methanol than the minutae amount there's in the metabolites of aspartame.

The studies you're linking to have proven to contain multiple errors.

The European Ramazzini Foundation of Oncology and Environmental Sciences (ERF) has released several studies which claim that aspartame can increase several malignancies in rats, concluding that aspartame is a potential carcinogen at normal dietary doses. These studies have been widely criticized and discounted:

After reviewing the foundation's claims, the EFSA and the FDA discounted the study results and found no reason to revise their previously established acceptable daily intake levels for aspartame. Reported flaws were numerous and included, but were not limited to, the following: comparing cancer rates of older aspartame-consuming rats to younger control rats; unspecified composition of the "Corticella" diet and method of adding aspartame, leading to possible nutritional deficiencies; unspecified aspartame storage conditions; lack of animal randomization; overcrowding and a high incidence of possibly carcinogenic infections; and the U.S. National Toxicology Program's finding that the ERF had misdiagnosed hyperplasias as malignancies. Reviews by the FDA and EFSA were hampered by the refusal of the Ramazzini Foundation to release all data and pathology slides, but from the materials received, the FDA and EFSA found that the data did not support the researcher's published conclusions.

Independent agencies such as the FDA and National Cancer Institute have reanalyzed multiple studies based on these worries and found no association between aspartame and brain cancer.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WPT-465F53V-K&_user=10&_coverDate=04%2F30%2F2002&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=b735b4def05baf258ad97b79a46adc9d&searchtype=a

You're free to see what St. John posted too.

[verslibre]

Independent agencies such as the FDA and National Cancer Institute have reanalyzed multiple studies based on these worries and found no association between aspartame and brain cancer.

Of course they haven't. Especially the FDA. Imagine the upset that would cause in the dynamic of a company that produces a property they get a gazillion dollars for.

You're free to see what St. John posted too.

LOL! One of the links presented after the initial article is sponsored by "www.aspartame.net." How convenient. Some of those links say hardly anything (Exhibit B: the succinct note by a "Dr. Edell.")

Sorry, dude. You're no scientist (you're what? an intern?), and you weren't involved in the studies I posted links for. Of course the FDA isn't going to release information to the contrary. That would create a huge political stink over here.

You're 0 for 2.

[conversationpc]

It's only laziness, bad habits and no willpower.

EVERYONE has some area of their life where they display some kind of laziness, bad habits, and lack of willpower. What's yours?

[Saint John]

It's only laziness, bad habits and no willpower.

EVERYONE has some area of their life where they display some kind of laziness, bad habits, and lack of willpower. What's yours?

Humility?

[parfait]

It's only laziness, bad habits and no willpower.

EVERYONE has some area of their life where they display some kind of laziness, bad habits, and lack of willpower. What's yours?

Humility?

I would say hard booze and occasional recreational drug.

Don't get where you're coming from with the humility thing though.

[stevew2]

I use Splenda,i dont know if it is any better,although I notice it now takes 2 packs to make stuff sweet where it use to only take one,but i still can get an erection

Use stevia. It's an all-natural sweetener derived from the plant. One little bitty packet will sweeten your entire kuppa kawfee. It will take a little getting used to because it doesn't exactly taste like cane sugar, corn syrup or Equal/Splenda/Sweet 'n' Low.

It has a bitter taste to it,i dont like it at all

[stevew2]

I use Splenda,i dont know if it is any better,although I notice it now takes 2 packs to make stuff sweet where it use to only take one,but i still can get an erection

Use stevia. It's an all-natural sweetener derived from the plant. One little bitty packet will sweeten your entire kuppa kawfee. It will take a little getting used to because it doesn't exactly taste like cane sugar, corn syrup or Equal/Splenda/Sweet 'n' Low.

It has a bitter taste to it,i dont like it at all plus it it reminds of that fat ass Steveo 77