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Postby S2M » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:14 am

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slucero wrote:I still think its gonna sound like this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2k0JGG8wRg


... not that its a bad thing..


Not even close. I doubt Neal would want to go there again.


That's not Journey, but is some pretty ripping stuff. I'm expecting stuff in the vein of We Will Meet Again meets Livin to Do meets Little Girl


I'm expecting stuff like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFoCrDdjFSo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKCspO-7iCY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rURhJwrjeeY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etRhzoPaqRs&feature=related
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Postby Saint John » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:10 am

We'll have a pretty good idea Thursday morning when the youtubes from Wednesday night's show are up. I expect rocking anthems that make everything post-Frontiers forgettable. I guess if you combined Arrival and Revelation you'd have a pretty good album, but the rest was pretty boring shit.
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Postby steveo777 » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:24 am

Saint John wrote:We'll have a pretty good idea Thursday morning when the youtubes from Wednesday night's show are up. I expect rocking anthems that make everything post-Frontiers forgettable. I guess if you combined Arrival and Revelation you'd have a pretty good album, but the rest was pretty boring shit.


You're gonna see a bunch of the dozen uploaded by plokkers and be going, WTMF?!!!! I really hope Neal and Co. can find the balls to drift away from the DD, perhaps even throw in some Arrival and ROR tunes, which they hardly ever play. Perry remains the elephant in the room as long as the band makes it so.
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Postby DrFU » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:28 am

Saint John wrote:We'll have a pretty good idea Thursday morning when the youtubes from Wednesday night's show are up. I expect rocking anthems that make everything post-Frontiers forgettable. I guess if you combined Arrival and Revelation you'd have a pretty good album, but the rest was pretty boring shit.


You aren't going to wait up? :lol:
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Postby Don » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:42 am

steveo777 wrote:
Saint John wrote:We'll have a pretty good idea Thursday morning when the youtubes from Wednesday night's show are up. I expect rocking anthems that make everything post-Frontiers forgettable. I guess if you combined Arrival and Revelation you'd have a pretty good album, but the rest was pretty boring shit.


You're gonna see a bunch of the dozen uploaded by plokkers and be going, WTMF?!!!! I really hope Neal and Co. can find the balls to drift away from the DD, perhaps even throw in some Arrival and ROR tunes, which they hardly ever play. Perry remains the elephant in the room as long as the band makes it so.


IBAWY and Girl Can't Help It may be far too pop oriented for the new DIRECTION Neal is talking about taking the band. With two opening acts, we know the shows won't be longer than 90 minutes so three new songs, and two from Revelation are probably mandatory. The rest of the allotted time will be for the louder Frontiers tracks I would think; Edge of The Blade, Ask The Lonely and then you HAVE to play DSB, Faithfully, WITS, SW. Now what do you do with the rest of the time? I've only listed one ballad, can they get away with just that one?

I think though that if there aren't any songs like AATY on this new disc, after the first few weeks, the new tunes will fade from Youtube and we'll be back to Pineda vs Perry battles in the comment sections as FaithFully, Separate Ways and DSB dominate the uploads AGAIN.
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Postby strangegrey » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:55 am

Rick wrote:They're ping ponging the tracks down? Fuck "more workable", every time you ping pong the tracks down, you lose quality.


Only in an analog/tape environment. If they recorded the tracks in digital, they're not going to lose any quality at all.

But what they do lose is control. If you mash together 20 tracks of background vocals, and there's one track that's got something wrong with it...after the merge, you're kinda fucked (unless, of course, you're in the digital domain and you had an old backup)

Regardless, I dont think merging tracks is going to be an issue for the fidelity of this record....
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Postby Saint John » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:10 pm

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Rick wrote:They're ping ponging the tracks down? Fuck "more workable", every time you ping pong the tracks down, you lose quality.


Only in an analog/tape environment. If they recorded the tracks in digital, they're not going to lose any quality at all.

But what they do lose is control. If you mash together 20 tracks of background vocals, and there's one track that's got something wrong with it...after the merge, you're kinda fucked (unless, of course, you're in the digital domain and you had an old backup)

Regardless, I dont think merging tracks is going to be an issue for the fidelity of this record....


Frank, when you read the technical jargon involving the new album, did you come away impressed or unimpressed? Does it sound like this could make for a great sonic or that compressed, shit sound like Revelation and Arrival?
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Postby Rick » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:14 pm

strangegrey wrote:
Rick wrote:They're ping ponging the tracks down? Fuck "more workable", every time you ping pong the tracks down, you lose quality.


Only in an analog/tape environment. If they recorded the tracks in digital, they're not going to lose any quality at all.

But what they do lose is control. If you mash together 20 tracks of background vocals, and there's one track that's got something wrong with it...after the merge, you're kinda fucked (unless, of course, you're in the digital domain and you had an old backup)

Regardless, I dont think merging tracks is going to be an issue for the fidelity of this record....


Thanks Frank.
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Postby stevew2 » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:15 pm

are there any real clips? the first one i went didnt work
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Postby steveo777 » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:26 pm

stevew2 wrote:are there any real clips? the first one i went didnt work


Clips of what? There are no leaks, at least that I know of. but.....if you find any, please do let me know. :wink:
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Postby Rick » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:44 pm

steveo777 wrote:
stevew2 wrote:are there any real clips? the first one i went didnt work


Clips of what? There are no leaks, at least that I know of. but.....if you find any, please do let me know. :wink:


Yeah, Steve, that link was just to the announcement on Arnels site.
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Postby Behshad » Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:34 pm

So now Journey & Yngwie have two album names in common , " Trial By Fire" & "Eclipse" .... I wonder if Journey will ever release "Odyssey" :D
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Postby SusieP » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:27 am

When are those of us who don't have Wal-Mart going to be able to get the album?
It's not on amazon.co.uk for pre- order yet. Thought it would be if it was supposed to be available after 24th May.

Won't amazon be getting it?
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Postby Don » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:31 am

SusieP wrote:When are those of us who don't have Wal-Mart going to be able to get the album?
It's not on amazon.co.uk for pre- order yet. Thought it would be if it was supposed to be available after 24th May.

Won't amazon be getting it?


I think it will be like the last album, through Frontiers for international distribution. I'm expecting sound samples and pre-orders will happen the last week of March.

It took Revelation around two years to get on iTunes, I wonder how long the exclusivity will be for this one? Foreigner only had to wait a year or less for their last album to get on Apple's Service.
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Postby SusieP » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:36 am

Don wrote:
SusieP wrote:When are those of us who don't have Wal-Mart going to be able to get the album?
It's not on amazon.co.uk for pre- order yet. Thought it would be if it was supposed to be available after 24th May.

Won't amazon be getting it?


I think it will be like the last album, through Frontiers for international distribution. I'm expecting sound samples and pre-orders will happen the last week of March.

It took Revelation around two years to get on iTunes, I wonder how long the exclusivity will be for this one? Foreigner only had to wait a year or less for their last album to get on Apple's Service.



Yeh, Frontiers have the International distribution. I just thought it would be available for Pre-order now it's release date has been announced.

I'll keep checking amazon.
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Postby Saint John » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:39 am

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Saint John wrote:We'll have a pretty good idea Thursday morning when the youtubes from Wednesday night's show are up. I expect rocking anthems that make everything post-Frontiers forgettable. I guess if you combined Arrival and Revelation you'd have a pretty good album, but the rest was pretty boring shit.


You aren't going to wait up? :lol:


Fu Fu, you know me. If I could be guaranteed that the new songs would be hitting youtube at around 11pm (2am here in PA), you can bet your Double D's that I'd be up! :lol: :oops:
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Postby Lilla_Forever » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:17 pm

Hi everyone, chiming back in after having been gone for ages from this forum. Life happened to me, I guess... Got married, changed carreer, and had a little girl 4 months ago after a challenging pregnancy.

Anyway, what a wonderful piece of news to be greeted by! A new Journey album :D Can't wait to have Frontiers Records (that darling label :) ) release it in Europe in May! I actually like the title, not too bad while perhaps not being the most imaginative. Depends on what the cover will look like whether it works, in my mind...
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Postby superreverb » Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:22 pm

So I actually Befriended this Kalmusky guy that mixed the record, and sent him a Message On Facebook!!!! (More like 101 Questions) and he actually Just answered me, in a pretty long e-mail, describing the Mixing process, and building the sound for their show that they'll tour with for the next 2 years, that some of you lucky bastards got to hear tonight. - Sounds like Neal had him Mixing his 2 Solo records as well... I'm guessing this guy, is probably a pretty SERIOUS mixer.

I'll paste my letter to him, and his reply on Facebook.

Hi David. Excited to hear about the new Journey record. A few of us are having a conversation about a post you put up, explaining to an audio forum your process. for the Non technically minded, would you explain "Bouncing out" the sessions "Back In" to 32 tracks. I've read several Mix Magazine articles about "Cascade Mixing" is that what you are doing? does it compromise, or enhance the quality? Whats the difference between "Ping Ponging", which others are talking about. what do you mean by "Workable"

Can you tell me as much as you're allowed to about the sound, the songs on the record, and what to expect out of the live show. Please tell me as much as you can. I've been really reading a lot about all of this, and I see you accepted my friend request.


Hey Drew, you caught me at a good time, I neglect FB most of the time. I'll do my best with your Questions… you're bang on with Cascade Mixing. thats exactly what we've done. Think of your CD player as 2 channels, your 5.1 DVD System as 6 channels of audio… I mixed this record to 32 channels, and KEPT IT in a 32 channel format for the DURATION of the Mixing AND mastering, (Where Most people Mix down to a 2 Mix Bounce) However after WE Finished all mixes, we could enhance change, or work on virtually any element of the mix, even in mastering. (what I meant by "Workable", certainly not workable "Easier Work flow", but workable as in "Easy to change, modify, enhance anything… even during Mastering" through the WHOLE Game (Guess I chose "Workable" in an odd way. "High Quality Manipulatable " may have been a better choice of words, just harder to type :)

The objective here was to Keep everything incredibly High Quality, and Not finally Summed to 2mix until DURING Mastering.

It is finished now… mastered, and archived with Recall Sheets, meaning that in 50 years, you can recall our Mix, from that Neve Console (Very famous Console at Quad Nashville made ALOT of hit records), Just as it was that day, ALL 32 channels from that console have been printed, and saved. Maybe 5.1 will be 10.1 by then - who knows what will be the standard… but we saved everything Hi Resolution 32tk Mix. (With the Session Archive of EVERY track recorded Individually - Still all 100+ tracks)

Now, your question about "Ping Ponging" or "Sound On Sound" from the Analog Tape workflow… In the Other extreme (Of sacrificing quality, and recall of individual elements) … Think of Bohemian Rhapsody having been "ping Ponged" as you say, well over 100 Freddy Mercury vocals were recorded, in 4 Parts, or 6 parts then "Ping Ponged" to make 100+ tracks span less then 20 tracks of Tape. EVEN With ALL OF THAT ping ponging on Analog Tape… think of how fantastic THAT records sounds. Shows what a GREAT engineer can do.

Now days, everything that was ever recorded, is still on a hidden track, and if I want to Raise a Jon Cain Vocal in a stack of Vocals, I temporarily disable my 2 CH BGV Stem, re activate the 5 Layers of Cain… push one up on the console, brighten or compress it, do what ever I want… then re record, or "punch that Track, back into MY Stem. NO Quality Loss, instantly being able to modify the "Stems Contributors" at any time by activating any of their elements, modifying it, and punching into the stem.

Complete control of every element ever recorded onto the project, at all times Taken to Mastering as a 32 Channel Mix, NOT a "2 Channel Left Right Mix" -

We'll let the record speak for itself, some will hate it no matter what, and crucify us all for making a record if THEY don't relate to it. - but Journey fans that want to rock, to A great, BIG sounding record, will be re kindled, excited, and effected by this record.

I'm out in SF Mixing 2 Neal Schon Solo records, and I just Mixed their live show, the last 2 days of rehearsal on their Live touring console (Which will remember my settings and sounds) and they hired a World Class, INCREDIBLE FOH mixer, for the next 2 years recommended to them from Allan Parsons, named Martin Frey to take it on the road every night, and dial this show, and these sounds in with his P.A. Brilliance. (Starting this week in Nevada) so this tour is going to sound amazing. These guys are pulling out all the stops on this one, nothing but the best, all around.

There will always be those that will Crucify Journey themselves, Kevin's production, My mix or Mastering, for any, or any / all of the elements anyone worked on this thing contributed. Probably right down to the Album Graphics, and title... (it's pretty much that way for every artist, on every record out there) - but for the "Believers" I really think they'll be blown away.

Send me a link to your conversation / forum, and I'll keep an eye on it. Maybe pop in from time to time, anser a few Q's i'm allowed to... like I did, at that other place, Is it friendly? or a "Pack of Trolls" ? ;)

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Postby steveo777 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:33 pm

Send me a link to your conversation / forum, and I'll keep an eye on it. Maybe pop in from time to time, anser a few Q's i'm allowed to... like I did, at that other place, Is it friendly? or a "Pack of Trolls" ?


I lol'd at Kalmusky's last question! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby NoMoreTails » Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:44 am



We'll let the record speak for itself, some will hate it no matter what, and crucify us all for making a record if THEY don't relate to it. - but Journey fans that want to rock, to A great, BIG sounding record, will be re kindled, excited, and effected by this record.


There will always be those that will Crucify Journey themselves, Kevin's production, My mix or Mastering, for any, or any / all of the elements anyone worked on this thing contributed. Probably right down to the Album Graphics, and title... (it's pretty much that way for every artist, on every record out there) - but for the "Believers" I really think they'll be blown away.

Kalmusky


....meaning fans of Perry rather than Journey, or fans of pop fluff...
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Postby Red13JoePa » Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:53 am

NoMoreTails wrote:


We'll let the record speak for itself, some will hate it no matter what, and crucify us all for making a record if THEY don't relate to it. - but Journey fans that want to rock, to A great, BIG sounding record, will be re kindled, excited, and effected by this record.


There will always be those that will Crucify Journey themselves, Kevin's production, My mix or Mastering, for any, or any / all of the elements anyone worked on this thing contributed. Probably right down to the Album Graphics, and title... (it's pretty much that way for every artist, on every record out there) - but for the "Believers" I really think they'll be blown away.

Kalmusky


....meaning fans of Perry rather than Journey, or fans of pop fluff...



He is really right about this too, down to the nitpicking on album graphics and title.
Hell most "Journey fans" here were branding it a "FAIL" months and months ago when the mere suggestion of a "concept album" was broached without so much as hearing a fragment of a note. :roll:
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Postby tater1977 » Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:20 pm

Jonathan Cain (tweets)...

Just shot Journey photos for our new album next to an old sliver mine from the 1800's --awesome look!
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Postby RedWingFan » Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:25 pm

Red13JoePa wrote:Hell most "Journey fans" here were branding it a "FAIL" months and months ago when the mere suggestion of a "concept album" was broached without so much as hearing a fragment of a note. :roll:


This record could turn out to be their Van Halen III and you'd still love it. :lol:
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Postby Red13JoePa » Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:28 pm

RedWingFan wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Hell most "Journey fans" here were branding it a "FAIL" months and months ago when the mere suggestion of a "concept album" was broached without so much as hearing a fragment of a note. :roll:


This record could turn out to be their Van Halen III and you'd still love it. :lol:


LOL! Dude years from now (Iguess) people are gonna realize how awesome VHIII and Red13 are, you f&*ng a$$hole :lol:
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Postby slucero » Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:57 pm

superreverb wrote:So I actually Befriended this Kalmusky guy that mixed the record, and sent him a Message On Facebook!!!! (More like 101 Questions) and he actually Just answered me, in a pretty long e-mail, describing the Mixing process, and building the sound for their show that they'll tour with for the next 2 years, that some of you lucky bastards got to hear tonight. - Sounds like Neal had him Mixing his 2 Solo records as well... I'm guessing this guy, is probably a pretty SERIOUS mixer.

I'll paste my letter to him, and his reply on Facebook.

Hi David. Excited to hear about the new Journey record. A few of us are having a conversation about a post you put up, explaining to an audio forum your process. for the Non technically minded, would you explain "Bouncing out" the sessions "Back In" to 32 tracks. I've read several Mix Magazine articles about "Cascade Mixing" is that what you are doing? does it compromise, or enhance the quality? Whats the difference between "Ping Ponging", which others are talking about. what do you mean by "Workable"

Can you tell me as much as you're allowed to about the sound, the songs on the record, and what to expect out of the live show. Please tell me as much as you can. I've been really reading a lot about all of this, and I see you accepted my friend request.


Hey Drew, you caught me at a good time, I neglect FB most of the time. I'll do my best with your Questions… you're bang on with Cascade Mixing. thats exactly what we've done. Think of your CD player as 2 channels, your 5.1 DVD System as 6 channels of audio… I mixed this record to 32 channels, and KEPT IT in a 32 channel format for the DURATION of the Mixing AND mastering, (Where Most people Mix down to a 2 Mix Bounce) However after WE Finished all mixes, we could enhance change, or work on virtually any element of the mix, even in mastering. (what I meant by "Workable", certainly not workable "Easier Work flow", but workable as in "Easy to change, modify, enhance anything… even during Mastering" through the WHOLE Game (Guess I chose "Workable" in an odd way. "High Quality Manipulatable " may have been a better choice of words, just harder to type :)

The objective here was to Keep everything incredibly High Quality, and Not finally Summed to 2mix until DURING Mastering.

It is finished now… mastered, and archived with Recall Sheets, meaning that in 50 years, you can recall our Mix, from that Neve Console (Very famous Console at Quad Nashville made ALOT of hit records), Just as it was that day, ALL 32 channels from that console have been printed, and saved. Maybe 5.1 will be 10.1 by then - who knows what will be the standard… but we saved everything Hi Resolution 32tk Mix. (With the Session Archive of EVERY track recorded Individually - Still all 100+ tracks)

Now, your question about "Ping Ponging" or "Sound On Sound" from the Analog Tape workflow… In the Other extreme (Of sacrificing quality, and recall of individual elements) … Think of Bohemian Rhapsody having been "ping Ponged" as you say, well over 100 Freddy Mercury vocals were recorded, in 4 Parts, or 6 parts then "Ping Ponged" to make 100+ tracks span less then 20 tracks of Tape. EVEN With ALL OF THAT ping ponging on Analog Tape… think of how fantastic THAT records sounds. Shows what a GREAT engineer can do.

Now days, everything that was ever recorded, is still on a hidden track, and if I want to Raise a Jon Cain Vocal in a stack of Vocals, I temporarily disable my 2 CH BGV Stem, re activate the 5 Layers of Cain… push one up on the console, brighten or compress it, do what ever I want… then re record, or "punch that Track, back into MY Stem. NO Quality Loss, instantly being able to modify the "Stems Contributors" at any time by activating any of their elements, modifying it, and punching into the stem.

Complete control of every element ever recorded onto the project, at all times Taken to Mastering as a 32 Channel Mix, NOT a "2 Channel Left Right Mix" -

We'll let the record speak for itself, some will hate it no matter what, and crucify us all for making a record if THEY don't relate to it. - but Journey fans that want to rock, to A great, BIG sounding record, will be re kindled, excited, and effected by this record.

I'm out in SF Mixing 2 Neal Schon Solo records, and I just Mixed their live show, the last 2 days of rehearsal on their Live touring console (Which will remember my settings and sounds) and they hired a World Class, INCREDIBLE FOH mixer, for the next 2 years recommended to them from Allan Parsons, named Martin Frey to take it on the road every night, and dial this show, and these sounds in with his P.A. Brilliance. (Starting this week in Nevada) so this tour is going to sound amazing. These guys are pulling out all the stops on this one, nothing but the best, all around.

There will always be those that will Crucify Journey themselves, Kevin's production, My mix or Mastering, for any, or any / all of the elements anyone worked on this thing contributed. Probably right down to the Album Graphics, and title... (it's pretty much that way for every artist, on every record out there) - but for the "Believers" I really think they'll be blown away.

Send me a link to your conversation / forum, and I'll keep an eye on it. Maybe pop in from time to time, anser a few Q's i'm allowed to... like I did, at that other place, Is it friendly? or a "Pack of Trolls" ? ;)

Kalmusky



Thanks for that... and 32 tracks in Mastering... that's a new one for me... friggin' brilliant though..

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