New Europe song...may or may not make it on next album...

[Melissa]

Wrong. People in this thread are those who also followed the MR scene during 87-97 , myself included.
I lived in Sweden where Melodic Rock was and is still big
While Sean ignored bands like Eyes and Talisman back then , melodic rock was pretty much all I listened to

Wrong, not every single one of them did I didn't say everyone in here, lol.
And that's awesome you got to be over there during that time, it's not any secret m.r. has always been bigger over there, and probably always will be. That was all I listened to then too.

[StevePerryHair]

Wrong. People in this thread are those who also followed the MR scene during 87-97 , myself included.
I lived in Sweden where Melodic Rock was and is still big
While Sean ignored bands like Eyes and Talisman back then , melodic rock was pretty much all I listened to

Wrong, not every single one of them did I didn't say everyone in here, lol.
And that's awesome you got to be over there during that time, it's not any secret m.r. has always been bigger over there, and probably always will be. That was all I listened to then too.

I didn't need to know every single MR band in that specific time era to know that Talisman and Europe are both very good MR bands. And that the new Europe is not a sad attempt of any kind. That was my argument here, nothing else!

[Melissa]

Man now I know how S2M feels, words get read wrong obviously All I was telling him is that trying to convince people who like bands like Europe and Talisman, etc., that there were other bands from that time just as good is impossible. And I'm right about that

[StevePerryHair]

Man now I know how S2M feels, words get read wrong obviously All I was telling him is that trying to convince people who like bands like Europe and Talisman, etc., that there were other bands from that time just as good is impossible. And I'm right about that

I don't think anyone denies there were other bands as good. The argument was him not able to see these two bands are in the same class or better.

[Rip Rokken]

Hard to judge how amazing with that kind of recording (ha! lol) but sounds pretty good. Love Europe.

Agreed, just not SFTD.....horrible effort! LMAO

Nah, I like that album better than Secret Society by a long shot!

Me too, but I do love Secret Society. Just not quite as much. And I am really, really disappointed that any plans for Europe to tour with Journey this year didn't come to fruition.

Me too lol. And the other one that was a possibility, that would have been awesome, that didn't come through either. But will still be a good time!

When I heard about Journey's photo shoot in the desert a few days ago, I figure that must have fulfilled the Scorpions rumor. Hope nobody got stung by one! I'm afraid I'm actually going to have to take a trip to Europe to see Europe. Which is fine by me.

[Deb]

Man now I know how S2M feels, words get read wrong obviously All I was telling him is that trying to convince people who like bands like Europe and Talisman, etc., that there were other bands from that time just as good is impossible. And I'm right about that :lol:

Yes you are. Some great bands in the early 90s before grunge came in. Ahem, MB.

[Behshad]

Man now I know how S2M feels, words get read wrong obviously All I was telling him is that trying to convince people who like bands like Europe and Talisman, etc., that there were other bands from that time just as good is impossible. And I'm right about that

There were other great bands of course. What he said/meant was there's other bands that were/are good , but Talisman sucks
He likes to get under peoples skin but I know him too well to let that bother me. He thinks having gizzilon song on hard drives = music knowledge = great taste in music. He's dead wrong

[Melissa]

Man now I know how S2M feels, words get read wrong obviously All I was telling him is that trying to convince people who like bands like Europe and Talisman, etc., that there were other bands from that time just as good is impossible. And I'm right about that

I don't think anyone denies there were other bands as good. The argument was him not able to see these two bands are in the same class or better.

True, but I see the other side of that argument too. Yes Europe and Talisman are awesome bands, I love them both, but as he isn't able to see them as he sees other bands, there are people who do the same thing he does and don't see other bands as they do those two bands. Confusing point maybe now but that was it, lol.

[StevePerryHair]

My argument had nothing to do with MR music or comparisons or anything. I just don't get why he thinks a band can't change it's sound and be relevant or good. All bands change their sounds. No one sounds the same on their first album, as they do on their newest. NO BAND does. I never argued anything about main stream vs underground music at all.

[Melissa]

Man now I know how S2M feels, words get read wrong obviously All I was telling him is that trying to convince people who like bands like Europe and Talisman, etc., that there were other bands from that time just as good is impossible. And I'm right about that

There were other great bands of course. What he said/meant was there's other bands that were/are good , but Talisman sucks
He likes to get under peoples skin but I know him too well to let that bother me. He thinks having gizzilon song on hard drives = music knowledge = great taste in music. He's dead wrong

I agree he's dead wrong about Talisman And I won't argue about how much someone has or taste because people can think what I like sucks and I don't care but he and some others around here DO have quite a bit of knowledge about m.r. bands.

[Melissa]

When I heard about Journey's photo shoot in the desert a few days ago, I figure that must have fulfilled the Scorpions rumor. Hope nobody got stung by one! I'm afraid I'm actually going to have to take a trip to Europe to see Europe. Which is fine by me.

Yeah Scorpions would have been great too, and there was another that seemed like a possibility that I would have loved also!

Wish Europe would tour here somehow, they haven't been here since 2004 I think?

[Melissa]

Man now I know how S2M feels, words get read wrong obviously All I was telling him is that trying to convince people who like bands like Europe and Talisman, etc., that there were other bands from that time just as good is impossible. And I'm right about that :lol:

Yes you are. Some great bands in the early 90s before grunge came in. Ahem, MB.

Yep! It's funny how short the era of grunge lasted too, thank goodness!

[conversationpc]

Not bad...I like this song better than most of the stuff on the last two albums.

[Melissa]

My argument had nothing to do with MR music or comparisons or anything. I just don't get why he thinks a band can't change it's sound and be relevant or good. All bands change their sounds. No one sounds the same on their first album, as they do on their newest. NO BAND does. I never argued anything about main stream vs underground music at all.

Yeah I know that, that wasn't my point either, lol. I was only saying I understand that era that was mentioned, and that trying to convince people there were great bands and music in that era is pointless. I never said a thing about bands changing to be relevant. Apparently we're all just confusing arguments, lol.

[StevePerryHair]

My argument had nothing to do with MR music or comparisons or anything. I just don't get why he thinks a band can't change it's sound and be relevant or good. All bands change their sounds. No one sounds the same on their first album, as they do on their newest. NO BAND does. I never argued anything about main stream vs underground music at all.

Yeah I know that, that wasn't my point either, lol. I was only saying I understand that era that was mentioned, and that trying to convince people there were great bands and music in that era is pointless. I never said a thing about bands changing to be relevant. Apparently we're all just confusing arguments, lol.

Well you brought up "people in this thread" and made the statement, so I guess I was just figuring I was the people you were referring to!

[Melissa]

My argument had nothing to do with MR music or comparisons or anything. I just don't get why he thinks a band can't change it's sound and be relevant or good. All bands change their sounds. No one sounds the same on their first album, as they do on their newest. NO BAND does. I never argued anything about main stream vs underground music at all.

Yeah I know that, that wasn't my point either, lol. I was only saying I understand that era that was mentioned, and that trying to convince people there were great bands and music in that era is pointless. I never said a thing about bands changing to be relevant. Apparently we're all just confusing arguments, lol.

Well you brought up "people in this thread" and made the statement, so I guess I was just figuring I was the people you were referring to!

Well there aren't many people around here who did follow those lesser known groups in that era back then, that was all I was saying, is trying to convince people about those lesser known bands and their music just won't work.

[S2M]

To say that you lived in EUROPE, but know nothing of these MR bands is telling. To say Gotthard has no hooks is ludicrous....I know you said that because I said that about Talisman, but still....

1990, the year Talisman's self-titled released, these are the other groups that had albums that year ....how many did you know at that time?

Beggars & Thieves
Blonz
21 Guns
Baton Rouge
Big House
Cold Sweat
D'Molls
Friction
Guardian
Heaven's Edge
Hericane Alice

House of Lords
Hurricane
In n' Out
Julliet
Paul Laine
Little Caesar
Pretty Maids
Sleeze Beez
Sweet F.A.
Valentine
Wildside

[Melissa]

Hericane Alice

I remember when they had to change that spelling because of Hurricane, lol. And always found the F.A. in Sweet F.A.'s name hilarious

[Behshad]

To say that you lived in EUROPE, but know nothing of these MR bands is telling. To say Gotthard has no hooks is ludicrous....I know you said that because I said that about Talisman, but still....

1990, the year Talisman's self-titled released, these are the other groups that had albums that year ....how many did you know at that time?

Beggars & Thieves
Blonz
21 Guns
Baton Rouge
Big House
Cold Sweat
D'Molls
Friction
Guardian
Heaven's Edge
Hericane Alice

House of Lords
Hurricane
In n' Out
Julliet
Paul Laine
Little Caesar
Pretty Maids
Sleeze Beez
Sweet F.A.
Valentine
Wildside

When and where did I say what MR Bands I DON'T know about ?!


Funny thing is IF you were that much into melodic rock back then , you WOULD HAVE heard of talisman. You're into most of the bands above now cause of internet and downloading that allows you to find all these bands. I bet you during 89-95 you didn't know half of these bands.
Also half of the bands you mentioned above are average at best .

Gotthard doesnt really have much of melodic riffs. They're an ok band.

[S2M]

Yeah, Gotthard isn't melodic.....

Lift You Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg4MTBCIW8A

Top of the World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDCZ2Ek5LQg

The Other Side of Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzrRug6a2Hc&playnext=1&list=PL0F237F517A020918

Nothing Left at All
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_ivU1XJDZc&feature=related

The Domino Effect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSXo5gATs2U

[Melissa]

Funny, I remember those bands. And my only source back then like I said was magazines.

[Behshad]

Yeah, Gotthard isn't melodic.....

Lift You Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg4MTBCIW8A

Top of the World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDCZ2Ek5LQg

The Other Side of Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzrRug6a2Hc&playnext=1&list=PL0F237F517A020918

Nothing Left at All
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_ivU1XJDZc&feature=related

The Domino Effect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSXo5gATs2U

Save your links. Gotthard is an average rock band. Nothing more , nothing less. You're biased

[S2M]

90% of the bands in that list had cassettes out....and I saw Little Caesar in concert with Kiss and Slaughter on the Hot in the Shade Tour....

[Behshad]

90% of the bands in that list had cassettes out....and I saw Little Caesar in concert with Kiss and Slaughter on the Hot in the Shade Tour....

Yup they had cassettes out. And you saw one of them live. Yay
I guess that makes them all great bands , my apologies then

[S2M]

90% of the bands in that list had cassettes out....and I saw Little Caesar in concert with Kiss and Slaughter on the Hot in the Shade Tour....

Yup they had cassettes out. And you saw one of them live. Yay
I guess that makes them all great bands , my apologies then

No different than living in Sweden and liking a Swedish band.....right? Talisman is good because you lived in their country....whoop-de-doo...

[Behshad]

90% of the bands in that list had cassettes out....and I saw Little Caesar in concert with Kiss and Slaughter on the Hot in the Shade Tour....

Yup they had cassettes out. And you saw one of them live. Yay
I guess that makes them all great bands , my apologies then

No different than living in Sweden and liking a Swedish band.....right? Talisman is good because you lived in their country....whoop-de-doo...

Yup I chose my bands based on geographical location just like you chose yours based on gaybars they played at

[Melissa]

90% of the bands in that list had cassettes out....and I saw Little Caesar in concert with Kiss and Slaughter on the Hot in the Shade Tour....

Yup they had cassettes out. And you saw one of them live. Yay
I guess that makes them all great bands , my apologies then

No different than living in Sweden and liking a Swedish band.....right? Talisman is good because you lived in their country....whoop-de-doo...

Yup I chose my bands based on geographical location just like you chose yours based on gaybars they played at

Gay bars that attracted a lot of vaginas then because I remember being able to see a few shows once I got back here from Japan in '91, and there were tons of women seeing these bands, lol. And no it wasn't just the guys who looked like women

[Behshad]

90% of the bands in that list had cassettes out....and I saw Little Caesar in concert with Kiss and Slaughter on the Hot in the Shade Tour....

Yup they had cassettes out. And you saw one of them live. Yay
I guess that makes them all great bands , my apologies then

No different than living in Sweden and liking a Swedish band.....right? Talisman is good because you lived in their country....whoop-de-doo...

Yup I chose my bands based on geographical location just like you chose yours based on gaybars they played at

Gay bars that attracted a lot of vaginas then because I remember being able to see a few shows once I got back here from Japan in '91, and there were tons of women seeing these bands, lol. And no it wasn't just the guys who looked like women

Gay bars have both gay men and lesbians there , hence the vaginas , yet not the main reason Sean went there. He went there for, ahem the music

[Behshad]

Melissa
I know YOU listened to a lot of good bands back then , no doubt. But you don't put bunch of other bands down just cause you knew about aide hidden gems that most don't know about.
Sean on the other hand just plays the same game he's playing in sports/politics/Journey threads,,, A whiny devils advocate