Crazy ass mormons!

[Melissa]

I don't feel sorry for him if that's the school's "code" and people know that going in, AND he is the one who let it out, they didn't get caught. The one I feel sorry for is his girlfriend, who now gets to be pubically embarassed by something private between two people that should remain private. The guy is an idiot.

I agree!! He knew the rules, he broke the rules, HE should suffer the consequences ...carry that cross, boy!!
However, as Matty has pointed out, we are human and Mormons are apparently
no less human than the rest of us ...

Oh I agree. I just believe sex is something very private between two people, and no matter how "wrong" in anyone else's eyes, should remain private. For him to blurt it out for his own selfish redemption of some sort, just screams to me he doesn't care a bit about her, or how he has now hurt her, and that it will continue to hurt her. He had no place bringing her down with him amongst their friends and to people who know her.

[Angel]

We don't know the whole story. For all we know, it could have been her that encouraged him to report himself. I don't necessarily agree with the making it all so public but again, I don't know the whole story or how it all played out. Regardless, I do think it's admirable that he was honest.

[Michigan Girl]

I don't feel sorry for him if that's the school's "code" and people know that going in, AND he is the one who let it out, they didn't get caught. The one I feel sorry for is his girlfriend, who now gets to be pubically embarassed by something private between two people that should remain private. The guy is an idiot.

I agree!! He knew the rules, he broke the rules, HE should suffer the consequences ...carry that cross, boy!!
However, as Matty has pointed out, we are human and Mormons are apparently
no less human than the rest of us ...

Oh I agree. I just believe sex is something very private between two people, and no matter how "wrong" in anyone else's eyes, should remain private. For him to blurt it out for his own selfish redemption of some sort, just screams to me he doesn't care a bit about her, or how he has now hurt her, and that it will continue to hurt her. He had no place bringing her down with him amongst their friends and to people who know her.

I absolutely agree (should've bolded that particular "HE"), a very, very selfish act!! I wonder if they discussed it before he turned himself in?!?

[Ehwmatt]

You can't say bravo for the university enforcing its honor code sex policy in a big brotheresque fashion, and then turn around and decry Davies for revealing that he had sex because sex should be a "private matter." That's a gaping inconsistency, and you simply cannot have it both ways. If it's private to that degree, then the university has no business inquiring into it.

Furthermore, honor code or not, I'd feel pretty bad for my college-aged son or daughter if his or her name was dragged through the mud and his future put into serious doubt because he or she had sex with a boyfriend or girlfriend.

[verslibre]

They're making an example of him. They know other people are humpin' but aren't saying.

[Melissa]

You can't say bravo for the university enforcing its honor code sex policy in a big brotheresque fashion, and then turn around and decry Davies for revealing that he had sex because sex should be a "private matter." That's a gaping inconsistency, and you simply cannot have it both ways. If it's private to that degree, then the university has no business inquiring into it.

Furthermore, honor code or not, I'd feel pretty bad for my college-aged son or daughter if his or her name was dragged through the mud and his future put into serious doubt because he or she had sex with a boyfriend or girlfriend.

I didn't say bravo to the university for enforcing it, I said I didn't feel sorry for him if that's something they require and he knew that but now has chosen to not only break it but also splash it all over for everyone they both know to see. I personally think it's a dumb code. So no I'm not "inconsistent".

[Michigan Girl]

You can't say bravo for the university enforcing its honor code sex policy in a big brotheresque fashion, and then turn around and decry Davies for revealing that he had sex because sex should be a "private matter." That's a gaping inconsistency, and you simply cannot have it both ways. If it's private to that degree, then the university has no business inquiring into it.

Furthermore, honor code or not, I'd feel pretty bad for my college-aged son or daughter if his or her name was dragged through the mud and his future put into serious doubt because he or she had sex with a boyfriend or girlfriend.

No, it's the University that should've kept it quiet for both of them ...for the exact reason stated above^^^
But yes, if he knew a public spectacle was going to be made of her, as well, very selfish!
This is no different than pulling them out in the street and stoning them

[Melissa]

We don't know the whole story. For all we know, it could have been her that encouraged him to report himself. I don't necessarily agree with the making it all so public but again, I don't know the whole story or how it all played out. Regardless, I do think it's admirable that he was honest.

Well it doesn't say anywhere that she encouraged him to do so, and I highly doubt that a girl would want that unless she's some crazy attention-wanting person.

[Angel]

They're making an example of him. They know other people are humpin' but aren't saying.

Who's making an example out of him? I haven't read anywhere that it was a BYU official that released to the media that he had sex with his girlfriend. Everything I have read says that he acknowleged his honor code violation. He was honest and who knows how the media got ahold of the information?

Of course there are students violating the honor code and don't confess. The school does not follow students around and spy on them to see if they are having sex or not, they expect students to follow the code and if they violate it they encourage them to disclose that-if it is otherwise discovered then it is dealt with.

[Ehwmatt]

You can't say bravo for the university enforcing its honor code sex policy in a big brotheresque fashion, and then turn around and decry Davies for revealing that he had sex because sex should be a "private matter." That's a gaping inconsistency, and you simply cannot have it both ways. If it's private to that degree, then the university has no business inquiring into it.

Furthermore, honor code or not, I'd feel pretty bad for my college-aged son or daughter if his or her name was dragged through the mud and his future put into serious doubt because he or she had sex with a boyfriend or girlfriend.

No, it's the University that should've kept it quiet for both of them ...for the exact reason stated above^^^
This is no different than pulling them out in the street and stoning them

But I'd have no problem putting a proven serial killer or rapist out in the street and stoning him.

I have a huge problem with putting two adults proven to have had consensual sex out in the street and stoning them for it... because in the first place, it's a backward ass rule to have and enforce in the context of a college! I don't think it's right when crazy Muslims do shit like this from the comfort of their Middle Eastern shitholes, and I don't think it's right when an American university does it from the comfort of its status as a private, religious university and all the "freedoms" that the status entails in our country. It's a bullshit substantive rule.

Like I've been saying, I have no problem with the abstract concept that the university reserves the right to enforce its procedures and policies against people who violate them. That doesn't mean I can't have a BIG problem with the underlying substance of the policy that they have a procedural right to enforce. I know they're private, but they better not get one penny of public funds if they have these kind of rules.

[Angel]

We don't know the whole story. For all we know, it could have been her that encouraged him to report himself. I don't necessarily agree with the making it all so public but again, I don't know the whole story or how it all played out. Regardless, I do think it's admirable that he was honest.

Well it doesn't say anywhere that she encouraged him to do so, and I highly doubt that a girl would want that unless she's some crazy attention-wanting person.

I can't imagine that a star basketball player would want to be kicked off the team for an honor code violation either but he disclosed his violation on his own. My point is that regardless of what we can or can't imagine someone would want, we don't know the whole story.

[Angel]

Like I've been saying, I have no problem with the abstract concept that the university reserves the right to enforce its procedures and policies against people who violate them. That doesn't mean I can't have a BIG problem with the underlying substance of the policy that they have a procedural right to enforce. I know they're private, but they better not get one penny of public funds if they have these kind of rules.

The rule is not something that BYU just made up to make college a bad experience for the students-it's based on the teachings of the Mormon church. They also have rules against drinking and smoking. If you don't like it, don't attend BYU.

[Melissa]

We don't know the whole story. For all we know, it could have been her that encouraged him to report himself. I don't necessarily agree with the making it all so public but again, I don't know the whole story or how it all played out. Regardless, I do think it's admirable that he was honest.

Well it doesn't say anywhere that she encouraged him to do so, and I highly doubt that a girl would want that unless she's some crazy attention-wanting person.

I can't imagine that a star basketball player would want to be kicked off the team for an honor code violation either but he disclosed his violation on his own. My point is that regardless of what we can or can't imagine someone would want, we don't know the whole story.

Well people speculate on things in the media without knowing the whole story all the time, and this is no different. Maybe he didn't know he'd be kicked off the team, maybe they don't specify that, I don't know. Still doesn't change the fact that he and the university have now made a public spectacle of him, of her, and of their private matter that should have remained private.

[Ehwmatt]

Like I've been saying, I have no problem with the abstract concept that the university reserves the right to enforce its procedures and policies against people who violate them. That doesn't mean I can't have a BIG problem with the underlying substance of the policy that they have a procedural right to enforce. I know they're private, but they better not get one penny of public funds if they have these kind of rules.

The rule is not something that BYU just made up to make college a bad experience for the students-it's based on the teachings of the Mormon church. They also have rules against drinking and smoking. If you don't like it, don't attend BYU.

Drinking and smoking rules - I'll live with that at a private university.

Sex is completely distinguishable. Love makes you do stupid things. Sure, in the abstract you think you can abstain from sex when you're 17 years old and signing up to go to a college like BYU. Then, you meet the girl/guy of your dreams (at that time), and eventually, emotions and chemistry kick in (and perhaps the heat of a given moment of a heavy make-out session, too). Oops, dick just met vag and popped his head inside for a peek or three.

Our chemistry and biology drive us to want to procreate and to have sexual desires (e.g., hormones - you nurses here know that way better than me). You just cannot bar sex the way you can drinking or smoking. It's just not fair to humans, particularly among individuals in this age range and in this social climate. Even assuming addiction is partly chemically caused, most of us can refrain from addictive habits, and such things are not universal inclinations like sex is for all of us.

[Angel]

We don't know the whole story. For all we know, it could have been her that encouraged him to report himself. I don't necessarily agree with the making it all so public but again, I don't know the whole story or how it all played out. Regardless, I do think it's admirable that he was honest.

Well it doesn't say anywhere that she encouraged him to do so, and I highly doubt that a girl would want that unless she's some crazy attention-wanting person.

I can't imagine that a star basketball player would want to be kicked off the team for an honor code violation either but he disclosed his violation on his own. My point is that regardless of what we can or can't imagine someone would want, we don't know the whole story.

Well people speculate on things in the media without knowing the whole story all the time, and this is no different. Maybe he didn't know he'd be kicked off the team, maybe they don't specify that, I don't know. Still doesn't change the fact that he and the university have now made a public spectacle of him, of her, and of their private matter that should have remained private.

The university has not made a spectacle out of him. The only statement the university has made is that he has been suspended and the reason was not criminal. All the details are coming from "sources close to the team." NOT BYU officials!

[Angel]

Like I've been saying, I have no problem with the abstract concept that the university reserves the right to enforce its procedures and policies against people who violate them. That doesn't mean I can't have a BIG problem with the underlying substance of the policy that they have a procedural right to enforce. I know they're private, but they better not get one penny of public funds if they have these kind of rules.

The rule is not something that BYU just made up to make college a bad experience for the students-it's based on the teachings of the Mormon church. They also have rules against drinking and smoking. If you don't like it, don't attend BYU.

Drinking and smoking rules - I'll live with that at a private university.

Sex is completely distinguishable. Love makes you do stupid things. Sure, in the abstract you think you can abstain from sex when you're 17 years old and signing up to go to a college like BYU. Then, you meet the girl/guy of your dreams (at that time), and eventually, emotions and chemistry kick in (and perhaps the heat of a given moment of a heavy make-out session, too). Oops, dick just met vag and popped his head inside for a peek or three.

Our chemistry and biology drive us to want to procreate and to have sexual desires (e.g., hormones - you nurses here know that way better than me). You just cannot bar sex the way you can drinking or smoking. It's just not fair to humans, particularly among individuals in this age range and in this social climate. Even assuming addiction is partly chemically caused, most of us can refrain from addictive habits, and such things are not universal inclinations like sex is for all of us.

Matt, don't attend BYU. If that's how you feel, fine but the students that attend BYU either need to disagree with you or they need to agree to practice amazing will power. This is something they know about well before attending their first class there, it's not like it's a surprise to them on day 1.

[Melissa]

The university has not made a spectacle out of him. The only statement the university has made is that he has been suspended and the reason was not criminal. All the details are coming from "sources close to the team." NOT BYU officials!

Why the need to release a statement to the media at all then if not for public speculation? There is no other reason.

[Behshad]

This is what happens when religion,which is supposed to be one's personal & private beief and faith, is forced into something public as sports.

[Angel]

The university has not made a spectacle out of him. The only statement the university has made is that he has been suspended and the reason was not criminal. All the details are coming from "sources close to the team." NOT BYU officials!

Why the need to release a statement to the media at all then if not for public speculation? There is no other reason.

Because the media got the information first and asked for a response.

[Angel]

This is what happens when religion,which is supposed to be one's personal & private beief and faith, is forced into something public as sports.

So should BYU cut it's athletic program?

[Melissa]

The university has not made a spectacle out of him. The only statement the university has made is that he has been suspended and the reason was not criminal. All the details are coming from "sources close to the team." NOT BYU officials!

Why the need to release a statement to the media at all then if not for public speculation? There is no other reason.

Because the media got the information first and asked for a response.

Which they didn't HAVE to give. They could have simply stated "It is a private matter that is being dealt with by the university" and leave it at that.

[Angel]

The university has not made a spectacle out of him. The only statement the university has made is that he has been suspended and the reason was not criminal. All the details are coming from "sources close to the team." NOT BYU officials!

Why the need to release a statement to the media at all then if not for public speculation? There is no other reason.

Because the media got the information first and asked for a response.

Which they didn't HAVE to give. They could have simply stated "It is a private matter that is being dealt with by the university" and leave it at that.

I don't think their response was that far off.

[Michigan Girl]

I'm pretty sure private colleges/schools can do as they wish!!
We have Evangel Christian Academy High School
The kids who attend ECA sign the same paperwork ...sex, drinking, drugs.
If a girl ends up pregnant, she's out and so is daddy-o!! I've
never actually heard of anyone confessing to having sex ...
I thought we catholic sinners had dibs on confession ...

[Behshad]

This is what happens when religion,which is supposed to be one's personal & private beief and faith, is forced into something public as sports.

So should BYU cut it's athletic program?

My point is , a person's religion, should be his own private way of belief . He shouldnt be forced to follow some rules. Its his life, his mind and his way of living and thinking. Even if he commits to that religion as his way of living his life , no one should punish him if he "bends the rules" ,cause what he's doing isnt ILLEGAL,,,, its just he's way of living life, without being commited 100% to the religion.
So instead of kickin him out of the team maybe they should ban him from their church or multi-wives-get-togethers?

[Melissa]

The university has not made a spectacle out of him. The only statement the university has made is that he has been suspended and the reason was not criminal. All the details are coming from "sources close to the team." NOT BYU officials!

Why the need to release a statement to the media at all then if not for public speculation? There is no other reason.

Because the media got the information first and asked for a response.

Which they didn't HAVE to give. They could have simply stated "It is a private matter that is being dealt with by the university" and leave it at that.

I don't think their response was that far off.

No they gave enough specifics that it was. That he "violated the honor code" and it "wasn't specified yet" but they are "looking into it". That's enough of a snowball already.

[Melissa]

I'm pretty sure private colleges/schools can do as they wish!!
We have Evangel Christian Academy High School
The kids who attend ECA sign the same paperwork ...sex, drinking, drugs.
If a girl ends up pregnant, she's out and so is daddy-o!! I've
never actually heard of anyone confessing to having sex ...
I thought we catholic sinners had dibs on confession ...

[Michigan Girl]

This is what happens when religion,which is supposed to be one's personal & private beief and faith, is forced into something public as sports.

So should BYU cut it's athletic program?

My point is , a person's religion, should be his own private way of belief . He shouldnt be forced to follow some rules. Its his life, his mind and his way of living and thinking. Even if he commits to that religion as his way of living his life , no one should punish him if he "bends the rules" ,cause what he's doing isnt ILLEGAL,,,, its just he's way of living life, without being commited 100% to the religion.
So instead of kickin him out of the team maybe they should ban him from their church or multi-wives-get-togethers?

[Melissa]

This is what happens when religion,which is supposed to be one's personal & private beief and faith, is forced into something public as sports.

So should BYU cut it's athletic program?

My point is , a person's religion, should be his own private way of belief . He shouldnt be forced to follow some rules. Its his life, his mind and his way of living and thinking. Even if he commits to that religion as his way of living his life , no one should punish him if he "bends the rules" ,cause what he's doing isnt ILLEGAL,,,, its just he's way of living life, without being commited 100% to the religion.
So instead of kickin him out of the team maybe they should ban him from their church or multi-wives-get-togethers?

[Angel]

This is what happens when religion,which is supposed to be one's personal & private beief and faith, is forced into something public as sports.

So should BYU cut it's athletic program?

My point is , a person's religion, should be his own private way of belief . He shouldnt be forced to follow some rules. Its his life, his mind and his way of living and thinking. Even if he commits to that religion as his way of living his life , no one should punish him if he "bends the rules" ,cause what he's doing isnt ILLEGAL,,,, its just he's way of living life, without being commited 100% to the religion.
So instead of kickin him out of the team maybe they should ban him from their church or multi-wives-get-togethers?

It's a CHURCH school of course students need to abide by rules. There are lots of students that attend BYU that aren't Mormons but they are still required to abide by the honor code. They don't have to accept all of the doctrines of the church but they do have to follow the honor code set forth by the school.

And how many times do I have to tell you, Mormons do NOT practice polygamy.

[parfait]

It's very typical of America (and the middle east as well) to make sex into something deviant and obscene - when in fact it's completely natural and our sexual needs are a big part of evolution and history. Back here for example, we have unisex saunas where nudity is required as to not dirty up the place. Only a dumbass would condemn some guy or girl for having sex - it's bound to happen, especially if they're girlfriend/boyfriends.

The guy just seems like a moron. Hopefully the girl won't get thrown out too. They knew the rules though, know matter how buttfuckingly retarded they are, so they need to take the consequences for it.