Official Song Clips?

[S2M]

GO!

Even at the low 192kbps, I'm hearing more compression than I was expecting. Anyone with good ears hearing what I'm talking about or am I being too critical?

I heard the compression....sounds better than the live youtube clips, but still lacking that catchiness *I* like in my music. Trying not to be negative(giving it up for lent), but the song is a sonic nightmare. The structure is all over the place....sorry.

[Don]

I compared City Of Hope to When You Love A Woman ripped at 128 and its not even close. I'll have to wait for the finished product I guess but for now, WYLAW > COH as far as headphone music is concerned.

Of course, my experiment was centered on production only and not the song structure itself; that's a different subject. My main objective was finding out if this will indeed be the headphone album that Jon was talking about. Without knowing if Andrew had a final product as his source material, I'll have to wait before I can render a definitive verdict.

[superreverb]

Hmm.. wow! I'm not sure.

Ya, it's really loud. Alot more cymbals / overheads then I expected on a journey record.

it all sounds really big though... really good. Arnel sounds great, I can hear Cains parts, guitars and drums are huge, probably more Ross then on any other record. this is definitely a "Modern compressed heavy rock master"

Just not what I expected. Very different, so different, I don't know WHAT to think. Ha... I know it sounds really big... but does it sound like Journey?

I think so? I'm gonna have to play it a bit more REALLY want the record now, to really hear.

[Don]

Hmm.. wow! I'm not sure.

Ya, it's really loud. Alot more cymbals / overheads then I expected on a journey record.

it all sounds really big though... really good. Arnel sounds great, I can hear Cains parts, guitars and drums are huge, probably more Ross then on any other record. this is definitely a "Modern compressed heavy rock master"

Just not what I expected. Very different, so different, I don't know WHAT to think. Ha... I know it sounds really big... but does it sound like Journey?

I think so? I'm gonna have to play it a bit more REALLY want the record now, to really hear.

My expectations are for the recorded songs to sound better than the live versions, the complete opposite of Revelation. Maybe this isn't the right song for me to judge as all I'm hearing is a compressed Arnel led Journey doing their best U2 inpersonation.

[Ligzig]

Sounds like Journey to me.

[S2M]

Hmmm...I've listened to the clip about 20X now. To me, it sounds like such a huge wall of sound. With many layers. A very processed sound. One that is impossible to recreate, fully, in concert...thus, what I was(or wasn't) hearing in the youtube clips. There is TOO much going on in the song. I wonder just how many layers of vocals are in that song. How many Arnels are we hearing? How many Deens? Like I said.....over-processed.

[superreverb]

Ya I'm kind of with you Don, on the production. I don't know if we "Can" compare it with any older Journey, is is so different, I'm surprised, and well.. I just don't know. I really think it "Sounds" Good, way better then the Youtube Clip, and I agree that the Studio cuts on Revelation were terrible sounding... in fact, I just popped on Revelation, and shut it off right away. next to this COH MP3, it shows you how horrible that record sounded.

It's funny you mention U2, I have the COH clip in my iTunes, and it sounds more like that... U2, Muse, Switchfoot, then anything from my Journey collection (Which all sounds different from each other was well)

[superreverb]

Hmmm...I've listened to the clip about 20X now. To me, it sounds like such a huge wall of sound. With many layers. A very processed sound. One that is impossible to recreate, fully, in concert...thus, what I was(or wasn't) hearing in the youtube clips. There is TOO much going on in the song. I wonder just how many layers of vocals are in that song. How many Arnels are we hearing? How many Deens? Like I said.....over-processed.

How many Guitars? theres a PILE of them

[Don]

Cain said he had to drop everything on top of the guitars. I guess what we may be hearing is that collage basically sufficating the high end.

[Don]

Listening to Beyond The Thunder and I can say there is nothing there to equate it with Eclipse as a Neal solo album. The songs on BTT have no where near the sonic traffic we're hearing in this clip of COH. Eclipse is Journey, it's just a matter of picking and choosing which parts.

[superreverb]

Listening to Beyond The Thunder and I can say there is nothing there to equate it with Eclipse as a Neal solo album. The songs on BTT have no where near the sonic traffic we're hearing in this clip of COH. Eclipse is Journey, it's just a matter of picking and choosing which parts. Chain Of Love might be the closest so far for me.

well, I hope it at - least gets Epic, from here, and if it's going to be big / produced / Layers, I hope there are some "Anthems" on this record. cause sonically, it feels TONS of "steps up" from Revelation - sounds as good at the other "Layered records, U2, Muse etc....

Guess if there are a few more Sparsely produced tracks, and a couple of large Journey Anthems, at lease this thing "Sounds Good" - what ever it is... how ever they fit all those layers in there - maybe the verses are sparse, and the choruses Layered??

I DEFINITELY want to hear more of the album, and I'm definitely with you on all your points, especially with all the Mutt Lange Layering, but I'm glad it doesn't "Sound Like Shit" - it sounds better the the new U2 record (Just more Balls and crunchy Guitar" but I thought it funny, your U2 reference is what flipped up in iTunes - and COH sounds better, flipping back and forth - but when you stay on COH, there's too much shit going on, it's all kind of wide open, layers of guitars, and cymbals, and vocal stacks, don't know if they'll all be like this ?

Didn't sound, from Youtube, that resonate was gonna be "That dense"

Guess we'll see - I'm not totally turned off, just intrigued that it's living in a different Genre Pool in mu iTunes

[timstar78]

Clip sounds promising. Neal's tone sounds dark on that thick B5 power chord with the F# in the bass leading into the chorus. Nice contrast leading into the uplifting chorus.

[Andrew]

Good to see mainly sensible comments, but to the others - it's a fricken 30 sample from MP3 source. Don't pick apart bloody compression/sonics just yet

[superreverb]

Good to see mainly sensible comments, but to the others - it's a fricken 30 sample from MP3 source. Don't pick apart bloody compression/sonics just yet

Andrew. you obviously have an advance copy of the Album... What do YOU think about how the production sounds?

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

Thanks! I like it.

[Andrew]

Good to see mainly sensible comments, but to the others - it's a fricken 30 sample from MP3 source. Don't pick apart bloody compression/sonics just yet

Andrew. you obviously have an advance copy of the Album... What do YOU think about how the production sounds?

My post sounds grumpier than I meant it to be.

What I can say in relation to this track - is that there really is so much to it, that even after a couple of weeks, I'm still picking up new parts. It's extremely layered....but I think it's done in a way that compliments the sound.

I like it...there is a rawness to it, yet it's slick also.

The darker tone of the guitars is contrasted with an uplifting hook. Pure brilliance.

There is a LOT more to this song than the chorus hook. The last 90 seconds is a wall of guitars.

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

Good to see mainly sensible comments, but to the others - it's a fricken 30 sample from MP3 source. Don't pick apart bloody compression/sonics just yet

Andrew. you obviously have an advance copy of the Album... What do YOU think about how the production sounds?

My post sounds grumpier than I meant it to be.

What I can say in relation to this track - is that there really is so much to it, that even after a couple of weeks, I'm still picking up new parts. It's extremely layered....but I think it's done in a way that compliments the sound.

I like it...there is a rawness to it, yet it's slick also.

The darker tone of the guitars is contrasted with an uplifting hook. Pure brilliance.

There is a LOT more to this song than the chorus hook. The last 90 seconds is a wall of guitars.

there ya go. that's what I want to hear-from you AND from the record.

[fredinator]

Thanks, Andrew! At the end of the clip I can hear Neal winding up on the guitar for just a second before it ends.. The album cover is beautiful; I'm glad they simplified the scarab and let the sun with the solar doodas (I can't think of the name) take center stage.. The whole thing looks pretty inspired to me so far...

[MichaelRiesenbeck]

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Even at the low 192kbps, I'm hearing more compression than I was expecting. Anyone with good ears hearing what I'm talking about or am I being too critical?

No you're not. There is something sounding weird to the guitar sound as well. I kind of reminds me of the guitar sound FM had with Andy Barnett. Great player, but I didn't like his overdrive sound. Too distant/hollow with a big emphasis on the mid frequencies. I'm getting the same vibe from the clip of CoH

I'm sure the actual CD version will sound a lot better with respect to the overal sound, but this does sound compressed and I'm missing the wide spacial sound of eg. Arrival.

The balance between the instruments is good though and the drums sound big again. Arnel sounds confident.

This is one album I'm looking forward too though.

[Hippie]

Sounds THUNDEROUS!!!!

This is sounding like pure OLD SCHOOL Journey to me!

Color me HIGHLY STOKED!!!!!

Thanks Andrew!!!!

[youkeepmewaiting]

Even though it's only 30 seconds I hope the people saying "it sounds nothing like Journey" take a step back and listen properly. Cos' it sure sounds like Journey

[Scarab Pilot]

The clip sounds very cool. Definitely Journey-sounding and rocking. BUT, I can still hear Arnels vocal issues. Maybe it's not a problem for most but I am hearing the 'AWWW' in the line 'But thats where IAAAWWM FRAAAAWWWM'.

Am I being too picky? Maybe Perry did this too and I am being biased. I am really wanting to give this album a chance but I was disappointed with Revelation. Too many enunciation issues.

[Hippie]

The clip sounds very cool. Definitely Journey-sounding and rocking. BUT, I can still hear Arnels vocal issues. Maybe it's not a problem for most but I am hearing the 'AWWW' in the line 'But thats where IAAAWWM FRAAAAWWWM'.

Am I being too picky? Maybe Perry did this too and I am being biased. I am really wanting to give this album a chance but I was disappointed with Revelation. Too many enunciation issues.

Sorry! Gotta play it!

Check Escape: Live in Houston

"I'll do all this and so much MOWAH"
"Reach out your HAAAND"

Yeah, Perry did that too! Nuthin wrong with that, but he did.

I like that Pineda has a different inflection. To me, it makes him less of a Perry clone and more of a Perry successor.

In fact, the one complaint I had of Augeri was that he sang the songs too straight. Journey needs a soulful singer and Pineda is defintely that.

[Michigan Girl]

The clip sounds very cool. Definitely Journey-sounding and rocking. BUT, I can still hear Arnels vocal issues. Maybe it's not a problem for most but I am hearing the 'AWWW' in the line 'But thats where IAAAWWM FRAAAAWWWM'.

Am I being too picky? Maybe Perry did this too and I am being biased. I am really wanting to give this album a chance but I was disappointed with Revelation. Too many enunciation issues.

Sorry! Gotta play it!

Check Escape: Live in Houston

"I'll do all this and so much MOWAH"
"Reach out your HAAAND"Yeah, Perry did that too! Nuthin wrong with that, but he did.

.

And it was INCREDIBLE, he didn't not enunciate the "R' because he couldn't
it was part of the emotional delivery!!

I like that Pineda has a different inflection. To me, it makes him less of a Perry clone and more of a Perry successor.

I'm thinking if he could say it differently then he would ...
I haven't listened to the new stuff yet, but I'm hoping NOT to hear it

[Eric]

The clip sounds very cool. Definitely Journey-sounding and rocking. BUT, I can still hear Arnels vocal issues. Maybe it's not a problem for most but I am hearing the 'AWWW' in the line 'But thats where IAAAWWM FRAAAAWWWM'.

Am I being too picky? Maybe Perry did this too and I am being biased. I am really wanting to give this album a chance but I was disappointed with Revelation. Too many enunciation issues.

To be honest, JSS is the only one who you could completely understand the lyrics to. Perry, Augeri and Arnel all have their own "accents". Not bad, not good...just unique.

[Scarab Pilot]

The clip sounds very cool. Definitely Journey-sounding and rocking. BUT, I can still hear Arnels vocal issues. Maybe it's not a problem for most but I am hearing the 'AWWW' in the line 'But thats where IAAAWWM FRAAAAWWWM'.

Am I being too picky? Maybe Perry did this too and I am being biased. I am really wanting to give this album a chance but I was disappointed with Revelation. Too many enunciation issues.

Sorry! Gotta play it!

Check Escape: Live in Houston

"I'll do all this and so much MOWAH"
"Reach out your HAAAND"

Yeah, Perry did that too! Nuthin wrong with that, but he did.

I like that Pineda has a different inflection. To me, it makes him less of a Perry clone and more of a Perry successor.

In fact, the one complaint I had of Augeri was that he sang the songs too straight. Journey needs a soulful singer and Pineda is defintely that.

Thanks Hippie very good examples... see I think I am being Perry biased.

Listening to Oklahoma '83 and there are examples as well. Not to mention the songs are sped up which affects inflection as well.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Nice to hear Cain in the mix....which wasn't audible from the YouTube clip. Sounds like an epic to me. Thanks Drew!

[slucero]

wow this thing is smashed... It's registering -5 to +3 on my analyzer... Neal must have wanted it loud....

[Hippie]

The clip sounds very cool. Definitely Journey-sounding and rocking. BUT, I can still hear Arnels vocal issues. Maybe it's not a problem for most but I am hearing the 'AWWW' in the line 'But thats where IAAAWWM FRAAAAWWWM'.

Am I being too picky? Maybe Perry did this too and I am being biased. I am really wanting to give this album a chance but I was disappointed with Revelation. Too many enunciation issues.

Sorry! Gotta play it!

Check Escape: Live in Houston

"I'll do all this and so much MOWAH"
"Reach out your HAAAND"

Yeah, Perry did that too! Nuthin wrong with that, but he did.

I like that Pineda has a different inflection. To me, it makes him less of a Perry clone and more of a Perry successor.

In fact, the one complaint I had of Augeri was that he sang the songs too straight. Journey needs a soulful singer and Pineda is defintely that.

Thanks Hippie very good examples... see I think I am being Perry biased.

Listening to Oklahoma '83 and there are examples as well. Not to mention the songs are sped up which affects inflection as well.

LOL! Again, nothing at all wrong with Perry's style. Just different.

[Melissa]

Sounds like a lot going on even in just 30 secs, but sounds much more promising than the YT. Hopefully the CD sounds more crisp than this.