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Re: Andrew's Eclipse Review

Postby Saint John » Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:36 am

JSS Rocks! wrote:
Monker wrote:
Saint John wrote:
mgstar1964 wrote: but after seeing 2 very mediocre releases (Red 13 and Generations)


Mediocre?!? Those 2 albums were absolute trash. Women could have used any clip off of either album as a fucking rape whistle.


And, Revelation was no better....just as mediocre with nothing new or unique or interesting....just a modern reflection of nostalgia for DSB and the Escape/Frontier years.

So, with two mediocre albums, and one half-baked EP, I don't see why expecting a ;'fart' for Eclipse is that unreasonable.

I'll wait to judge until I hear it...but, some of you people are way over-hyping it.


I have to slightly disagree about Revelation...Aside from the "paint by numbers" opening track, there is some good stuff on there.


And live it was even better than that. Shirley fucked that album up. Some great tunes live.
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Re: Andrew's Eclipse Review

Postby VirgilTheart » Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:39 am

Saint John wrote:And live it was even better than that. Shirley fucked that album up. Some great tunes live.


True that. Heck, "Never Walk Away" became a personal favorite of mine after I saw the band play it live in Honolulu. True, it's not all that original a song, but I liked it a lot.

The best song off "Revelation", and translated best into a live format IMO, was "What I Needed".
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Re: Andrew's Eclipse Review

Postby G.I.Jim » Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:47 am

JSS Rocks! wrote:
Monker wrote:
Saint John wrote:
mgstar1964 wrote: but after seeing 2 very mediocre releases (Red 13 and Generations)


Mediocre?!? Those 2 albums were absolute trash. Women could have used any clip off of either album as a fucking rape whistle.


And, Revelation was no better....just as mediocre with nothing new or unique or interesting....just a modern reflection of nostalgia for DSB and the Escape/Frontier years.

So, with two mediocre albums, and one half-baked EP, I don't see why expecting a ;'fart' for Eclipse is that unreasonable.

I'll wait to judge until I hear it...but, some of you people are way over-hyping it.


I have to slightly disagree about Revelation...Aside from the "paint by numbers" opening track, there is some good stuff on there.


You're going to make someone angry... and you wouldn't want to see him when he's angry. :shock: :lol: :wink:
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Re: Andrew's Eclipse Review

Postby Glenn » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:15 pm

G.I.Jim wrote:
JSS Rocks! wrote:
Monker wrote:
Saint John wrote:
mgstar1964 wrote: but after seeing 2 very mediocre releases (Red 13 and Generations)


Mediocre?!? Those 2 albums were absolute trash. Women could have used any clip off of either album as a fucking rape whistle.


And, Revelation was no better....just as mediocre with nothing new or unique or interesting....just a modern reflection of nostalgia for DSB and the Escape/Frontier years.

So, with two mediocre albums, and one half-baked EP, I don't see why expecting a ;'fart' for Eclipse is that unreasonable.

I'll wait to judge until I hear it...but, some of you people are way over-hyping it.


I have to slightly disagree about Revelation...Aside from the "paint by numbers" opening track, there is some good stuff on there.


You're going to make someone angry... and you wouldn't want to see him when he's angry. :shock: :lol: :wink:


Who? Jeremy?
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Re: Andrew's Eclipse Review

Postby Saint John » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:16 pm

JSS Rocks! wrote:Jeremy?


You're off to a good start. It's Jeremey. :lol: :wink:
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Re: Andrew's Eclipse Review

Postby Glenn » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:20 pm

Saint John wrote:
JSS Rocks! wrote:Jeremy?


You're off to a good start. It's Jeremey. :lol: :wink:


Yeah...I realized my typo as I sipped on some coffee...


Look, I'm sure Jeremey has better things to worry about than my honest opinion....

It's nothing personal.
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Re: Andrew's Eclipse Review

Postby G.I.Jim » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:53 pm

JSS Rocks! wrote:
Saint John wrote:
JSS Rocks! wrote:Jeremy?


You're off to a good start. It's Jeremey. :lol: :wink:


Yeah...I realized my typo as I sipped on some coffee...


Look, I sure Jeremey has better things to worry about than my honest opinion....

It's nothing personal.


:lol: :lol: I'm sure you're probably right. :wink:
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Re: Andrew's Eclipse Review

Postby Monker » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:37 pm

Saint John wrote:
JSS Rocks! wrote:
Monker wrote:
Saint John wrote:
mgstar1964 wrote: but after seeing 2 very mediocre releases (Red 13 and Generations)


Mediocre?!? Those 2 albums were absolute trash. Women could have used any clip off of either album as a fucking rape whistle.


And, Revelation was no better....just as mediocre with nothing new or unique or interesting....just a modern reflection of nostalgia for DSB and the Escape/Frontier years.

So, with two mediocre albums, and one half-baked EP, I don't see why expecting a ;'fart' for Eclipse is that unreasonable.

I'll wait to judge until I hear it...but, some of you people are way over-hyping it.


I have to slightly disagree about Revelation...Aside from the "paint by numbers" opening track, there is some good stuff on there.


And live it was even better than that. Shirley fucked that album up. Some great tunes live.


I can't argue much with that. When I saw them, everybody sat down and was talking so loud that I couldn't hear the songs.
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Re: Andrew's Eclipse Review

Postby Monker » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:41 pm

Saint John wrote:
Monker wrote:And, Revelation was no better....just as mediocre with nothing new or unique or interesting


Change For The Better, What I Needed and Turn Down The World Tonight were all new types of songs for Journey. Arguably, What I Needed had a little Mother Father to it, but even Wildest Dream was a harder rocking song than they'd done in a long time ... maybe ever. And the vocals on that album were the best since Frontiers.


Oh, please. The entire album had a retro-80's vibe. The very fact you want to argue with that shows how biased for the band you really are. Revelation did nothing for Journey but solidify them as an 80's nostalgia band.
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Re: Andrew's Eclipse Review

Postby Monker » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:41 pm

Eric wrote:
Monker wrote:
Saint John wrote:
mgstar1964 wrote: but after seeing 2 very mediocre releases (Red 13 and Generations)


Mediocre?!? Those 2 albums were absolute trash. Women could have used any clip off of either album as a fucking rape whistle.


And, Revelation was no better....just as mediocre with nothing new or unique or interesting....just a modern reflection of nostalgia for DSB and the Escape/Frontier years.

So, with two mediocre albums, and one half-baked EP, I don't see why expecting a ;'fart' for Eclipse is that unreasonable.

I'll wait to judge until I hear it...but, some of you people are way over-hyping it.


Revelation was their best work since Frontiers.


I would agree with that....if it were released in 1985.
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Re: Andrew's Eclipse Review

Postby S2M » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:45 pm

Monker wrote:
Eric wrote:
Monker wrote:
Saint John wrote:
mgstar1964 wrote: but after seeing 2 very mediocre releases (Red 13 and Generations)


Mediocre?!? Those 2 albums were absolute trash. Women could have used any clip off of either album as a fucking rape whistle.


And, Revelation was no better....just as mediocre with nothing new or unique or interesting....just a modern reflection of nostalgia for DSB and the Escape/Frontier years.

So, with two mediocre albums, and one half-baked EP, I don't see why expecting a ;'fart' for Eclipse is that unreasonable.

I'll wait to judge until I hear it...but, some of you people are way over-hyping it.


Revelation was their best work since Frontiers.


I would agree with that....if it were released in 1985.


Agreed. However, Like a Sunshower is straight off Departure, or Evolution....pure nostalgia.
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Re: Andrew's Eclipse Review

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:13 pm

Monker wrote:Oh, please. The entire album had a retro-80's vibe. The very fact you want to argue with that shows how biased for the band you really are. Revelation did nothing for Journey but solidify them as an 80's nostalgia band.


True, but for what it was (a concerted effort to return to "the heritage sound"), it's a good one. One of the best slices of retro AOR since the Two Fires debut.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:43 pm

That was the point, Monker.
Did they promise anything with Revelation other than a return to their 80s sound?
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Re: Andrew's Eclipse Review

Postby Saint John » Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:52 pm

Monker wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Monker wrote:And, Revelation was no better....just as mediocre with nothing new or unique or interesting


Change For The Better, What I Needed and Turn Down The World Tonight were all new types of songs for Journey. Arguably, What I Needed had a little Mother Father to it, but even Wildest Dream was a harder rocking song than they'd done in a long time ... maybe ever. And the vocals on that album were the best since Frontiers.


Oh, please. The entire album had a retro-80's vibe. The very fact you want to argue with that shows how biased for the band you really are. Revelation did nothing for Journey but solidify them as an 80's nostalgia band.


Change For The Better and Turn Down The World Tonight do not sound like retro 80's songs. I'll give you Like A Sunshower, Where Did I Lose Your Love, Never Walk Away and After All These Years, though. But there's nothing wrong with channeling your own identity. It's what bands do, doucher.
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Re: Andrew's Eclipse Review

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:33 am

Saint John wrote:Change For The Better and Turn Down The World Tonight do not sound like retro 80's songs.


CFTB sounds really outdated to me, man. I love it, it's epic and reminds me of Escape, but it sounds retro.
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Re: Andrew's Eclipse Review

Postby Saint John » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:36 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Saint John wrote:Change For The Better and Turn Down The World Tonight do not sound like retro 80's songs.


CFTB sounds really outdated to me, man. I love it, it's epic and reminds me of Escape, but it sounds retro.


You really think so, man? :? Maybe it's just me then, but I thought that it sounded a lot more adventurous in places and less formatted than the 80's stuff. It definitely stepped out of the box a bit. At least I think so. :wink:
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Postby Jana » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:38 am

Revelation had some really good songs on it, and live I really enjoyed the ones they played. It's why I like the Manila DVD, because there are seven Revelation songs on there and they translated nicely in a live concert setting.
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Re: Andrew's Eclipse Review

Postby kgdjpubs » Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:56 am

Monker wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Monker wrote:And, Revelation was no better....just as mediocre with nothing new or unique or interesting


Change For The Better, What I Needed and Turn Down The World Tonight were all new types of songs for Journey. Arguably, What I Needed had a little Mother Father to it, but even Wildest Dream was a harder rocking song than they'd done in a long time ... maybe ever. And the vocals on that album were the best since Frontiers.


Oh, please. The entire album had a retro-80's vibe. The very fact you want to argue with that shows how biased for the band you really are. Revelation did nothing for Journey but solidify them as an 80's nostalgia band.



true, but that's nothing that hadn't been accomplished already with Trial By Fire and Arrival. Neither of those sounded modern either. A lot of the "80s feel" has to do with arrangements and production. Maybe the new one will be different.
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Postby SF-Dano » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:00 am

I really don't get it. What is it you want Journey to sound like? And why can't a good song be a good song, regardles of what era it sounds like it came from. I just don't understand what some expect from this band. :roll:
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Postby kgdjpubs » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:27 am

SF-Dano wrote:I really don't get it. What is it you want Journey to sound like? And why can't a good song be a good song, regardles of what era it sounds like it came from. I just don't understand what some expect from this band. :roll:



I expect them to sound like Journey. Beyond that, a good song is a good song regardless of the style. Just stating the obvious that the sound up to this point has been an 80s band. Maybe they would have slowly changed sound like Bon Jovi did had they remained together, but the ten-year breakup pretty much ended any chance of that.
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Postby Journey/Survivor » Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:29 am

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SF-Dano wrote:I really don't get it. What is it you want Journey to sound like? And why can't a good song be a good song, regardles of what era it sounds like it came from. I just don't understand what some expect from this band. :roll:



I expect them to sound like Journey. Beyond that, a good song is a good song regardless of the style. Just stating the obvious that the sound up to this point has been an 80s band. Maybe they would have slowly changed sound like Bon Jovi did had they remained together, but the ten-year breakup pretty much ended any chance of that.


I, personally, have little use for Bon Jovi music that isn't from the 1980's. I do kind of like that "It's My Life" song. But other than that I haven't liked anything I've heard from Bon Jovi post-1980's.

I have to give Journey credit for continuing to sound like Journey. Look at how many of the other Classic Rock bands have tried to sound more "modern" by incorporating Grunge or Country or rap into their songs. Thank God Journey have never done that!
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Postby Melissa » Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:20 am

I don't expect a thing from Journey other than just some good music. I think there are some Journey fans here who over analyze to death what they think Journey should sound like, and it makes me think they are crazy :lol: . I would hate to see how they over analyze other enjoyable things in life :shock: :roll: :lol:
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Postby kgdjpubs » Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:40 pm

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SF-Dano wrote:I really don't get it. What is it you want Journey to sound like? And why can't a good song be a good song, regardles of what era it sounds like it came from. I just don't understand what some expect from this band. :roll:



I expect them to sound like Journey. Beyond that, a good song is a good song regardless of the style. Just stating the obvious that the sound up to this point has been an 80s band. Maybe they would have slowly changed sound like Bon Jovi did had they remained together, but the ten-year breakup pretty much ended any chance of that.


I, personally, have little use for Bon Jovi music that isn't from the 1980's. I do kind of like that "It's My Life" song. But other than that I haven't liked anything I've heard from Bon Jovi post-1980's.

I have to give Journey credit for continuing to sound like Journey. Look at how many of the other Classic Rock bands have tried to sound more "modern" by incorporating Grunge or Country or rap into their songs. Thank God Journey have never done that!



For me, it just boils down to the simple question---is it a good song? I like some bands that changed very little in sound over the years, and some that had massive style changes on every album. I'd prefer an album that takes some chances and has heart 100 times over an album that stays true to the famous sound of the band, but leaves me cold (see Def Leppard for several pretty good examples of this!). A good song is a good song regardless of whether it has layers of backing vocals, whether the guitars of keys are higher in the mix, or whatever else that production and arrangement can change. Spend a little bit of time tweaking things in the studio, and you could turn a bunch of songs into anything from metal to grunge to country to acoustic pop.

For Bon Jovi, I think I've found something from almost every album that I like. Like the 80s stuff, like the 90s stuff, generally like the post-reunion material, even though I think they have been sounding tired lately. Heresy or not, I think These Days is their best album, and best lyrics and vocals by a country mile. Favorite album to listen to? Not exactly as it's more of a mood album, but I think it's some of the best music they have recorded. Not sure I really want a second version, as it is pretty dark and desolate, but it's raw emotion on an album the likes of which you rarely see from that band.
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City of Hope Short Clip Studio Version?

Postby SultanOfSwing » Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:49 am

A 30 second clip from their new album Eclipse, City of Hope. Hmmm.. looks like someone leaked this on YT? The quality is really good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czq57FcE ... ideo_title
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Re: City of Hope Short Clip Studio Version?

Postby S2M » Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:52 am

SultanOfSwing wrote:A 30 second clip from their new album Eclipse, City of Hope. Hmmm.. looks like someone leaked this on YT? The quality is really good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czq57FcE ... ideo_title


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Postby Eric » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:07 am

Melissa wrote:I don't expect a thing from Journey other than just some good music. I think there are some Journey fans here who over analyze to death what they think Journey should sound like, and it makes me think they are crazy :lol: . I would hate to see how they over analyze other enjoyable things in life :shock: :roll: :lol:


I think the internet has made some of us too crazy about our hobbies...you are definitely right.
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Re: City of Hope Short Clip Studio Version?

Postby Archetype » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:16 am

SultanOfSwing wrote:A 30 second clip from their new album Eclipse, City of Hope. Hmmm.. looks like someone leaked this on YT? The quality is really good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czq57FcE ... ideo_title


I like it
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Re: City of Hope Short Clip Studio Version?

Postby Red13JoePa » Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:47 am

SultanOfSwing wrote:A 30 second clip from their new album Eclipse, City of Hope. Hmmm.. looks like someone leaked this on YT? The quality is really good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czq57FcE ... ideo_title


NICE!!!! MONSTER gang vox on that chorus.
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Re: City of Hope Short Clip Studio Version?

Postby fightingilliniJRNY » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:05 am

SultanOfSwing wrote:A 30 second clip from their new album Eclipse, City of Hope. Hmmm.. looks like someone leaked this on YT? The quality is really good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czq57FcE ... ideo_title


Did nobody hear this when Andrew posted the sample about two weeks ago??? :lol:
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Re: City of Hope Short Clip Studio Version?

Postby Andrew » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:05 am

SultanOfSwing wrote:A 30 second clip from their new album Eclipse, City of Hope. Hmmm.. looks like someone leaked this on YT? The quality is really good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czq57FcE ... ideo_title


They stole that from my frontpage. :evil:
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