Amazon Cloud

[Majestic]

Has anybody checked out Amazon's new cloud music storage and player? I just got it today, and I have to say it's pretty great. Very easy, convenient, and comes with 10 Gig free storage. I bought an album and got an extra 10 gig storage for free. The best part about amazon mp3s is that you can play them online with its player, download to your PC, listen on your smart phone, or whatever. It even exports to itunes or media player automatically. It's a much better way to go than itunes, unless you like being strapped to itunes player for all your purchases.

[Don]

I like that you can use it for all music, not just Amazon purchased tunes. There is trouble brewing though as they didn't get licensing from all the big record labels so there may be some type of copyright battle looming ahead.

I do like that I don't have to bring my portable hard drive with me anymore when I come to work.

[Majestic]

I like that you can use it for all music, not just Amazon purchased tunes. There is trouble brewing though as they didn't get licensing from all the big record labels so there may be some type of copyright battle looming ahead.

I do like that I don't have to bring my portable hard drive with me anymore when I come to work.

That's ok though, because you can download them too. Just incase the cloud blows away....
Meanwhile, I really hope it affects apple and others in a positive direction. I know people who worship apple, and I'd be willing to like them too, but I hate being controlled as much as they want me to be.

[maverick218]

Pretty cool concept, but with the music that I have stored, it's going to take 27 hours to upload it all- that's crazy.

[Don]

Pretty cool concept, but with the music that I have stored, it's going to take 27 hours to upload it all- that's crazy.

If you have ever uploaded video torrents, then you'll see that 27 hours is nothing.

[S2M]

Pretty cool concept, but with the music that I have stored, it's going to take 27 hours to upload it all- that's crazy.

If you have ever uploaded video torrents, then you'll see that 27 hours is nothing.

I don't know where you go for your torrents, but I've never had to wait more than 3hrs for a torrent....

[Don]

Pretty cool concept, but with the music that I have stored, it's going to take 27 hours to upload it all- that's crazy.

If you have ever uploaded video torrents, then you'll see that 27 hours is nothing.

I don't know where you go for your torrents, but I've never had to wait more than 3hrs for a torrent....

I'm talking about uploading, not downloading.

[Rip Rokken]

There was another recent thread asking about people's experience with Amazon -- I think we all rated it extremely high on the satisfaction list.

Just saw this today, lol... sounds like there are a few upset customers at least!

http://www.crn.com/news/cloud/229402233 ... arency.htm

Some excerpts...

"The Amazon cloud outage that rocked the industry and called into question the reliability of cloud computing has reinforced the need for cloud computing providers to be open and up front with their clients, while also reaffirming that cloud computing support options need to be revisited."

"Amazon has been extremely quiet around how the failure occurred and how it will be avoided in the future," said Joseph Coyle, CTO for North America for global solution provider Capgemini. "We need to remember that this was not a system wide outage so although it is a major hit to Amazon, I believe that if they explain the issue and how to avoid it they can hold back the damage."

"They really need to communicate during the outage," Burns said. "There have been a lot of complaints about Amazon's lack of communication during this outage. But cloud providers also have a lot of responsibility to ensure their infrastructure is available. Amazon customers expect individual servers to go down more often than in their own datacenters. But they sure didn't expect a widespread, multi-day outage. They understand that is a possibility now and can take some steps."

The Cloud has its benefits for sure, but it is definitely not the be-all and end-all for everyone, especially businesses who can't afford downtime or data loss. For businesses especially, there are tons of factors and risks that they never tell you about on the sales end, and I see articles like the one above weekly. Intuit is another great example -- a while back, their online service went out for a few days, and many companies couldn't access payroll to print checks for their employees. DOH!!!

[S2M]

There was another recent thread asking about people's experience with Amazon -- I think we all rated it extremely high on the satisfaction list.

Just saw this today, lol... sounds like there are a few upset customers at least!

http://www.crn.com/news/cloud/229402233 ... arency.htm

Some excerpts...

"The Amazon cloud outage that rocked the industry and called into question the reliability of cloud computing has reinforced the need for cloud computing providers to be open and up front with their clients, while also reaffirming that cloud computing support options need to be revisited."

"Amazon has been extremely quiet around how the failure occurred and how it will be avoided in the future," said Joseph Coyle, CTO for North America for global solution provider Capgemini. "We need to remember that this was not a system wide outage so although it is a major hit to Amazon, I believe that if they explain the issue and how to avoid it they can hold back the damage."

"They really need to communicate during the outage," Burns said. "There have been a lot of complaints about Amazon's lack of communication during this outage. But cloud providers also have a lot of responsibility to ensure their infrastructure is available. Amazon customers expect individual servers to go down more often than in their own datacenters. But they sure didn't expect a widespread, multi-day outage. They understand that is a possibility now and can take some steps."

The Cloud has its benefits for sure, but it is definitely not the be-all and end-all for everyone, especially businesses who can't afford downtime or data loss. For businesses especially, there are tons of factors and risks that they never tell you about on the sales end, and I see articles like the one above weekly. Intuit is another great example -- a while back, their online service went out for a few days, and many companies couldn't access payroll to print checks for their employees. DOH!!!

I really get concerned when 'everything' is tied into ONE thing....if there were redundancies, in case of any system failure, or fail safes, as it were.....you know?

[yulog]

Pretty cool concept, but with the music that I have stored, it's going to take 27 hours to upload it all- that's crazy.

If you have ever uploaded video torrents, then you'll see that 27 hours is nothing.

I don't know where you go for your torrents, but I've never had to wait more than 3hrs for a torrent....

I'm talking about uploading, not downloading.

Huge difference between uploading and downloading. Downloading is 14-15 x's faster than uploading with my provider 27 hrs would be nothing

[Arkansas]

I like that you can use it for all music, not just Amazon purchased tunes. There is trouble brewing though as they didn't get licensing from all the big record labels so there may be some type of copyright battle looming ahead.

I do like that I don't have to bring my portable hard drive with me anymore when I come to work.

Of course. Big Brother wants to know everything in your playlist.


later~

[Rip Rokken]

I like that you can use it for all music, not just Amazon purchased tunes. There is trouble brewing though as they didn't get licensing from all the big record labels so there may be some type of copyright battle looming ahead.

I do like that I don't have to bring my portable hard drive with me anymore when I come to work.

Of course. Big Brother wants to know everything in your playlist.


later~

Everything is tracked these days, and everyone's every move, every purchase, practically everything is recorded. Mostly for creepy marketing research, but obviously open for anything else someone might want to do with the info. There was an article just this week about how Apple has been caught storing location information in an unencrypted file on the iPhones -- and had yet to comment on it. So basically, you're being documented. If you are online, or use any piece of technology, even just a credit card -- you're being tracked. I just got a privacy policy in the mail the other day for one company who only lets you opt out of 1/2 of the things they share, and they continue to share even after you cancel your account. Constantly getting bolder with violating privacy, and it's pretty much gone now. I went ahead and canceled that account anyway, just because.

[Saint John]

Fuck Amazon. Here's where it's at:

Apple's Next Revolution, Will They Change Cloud Computing Forever?

It is my belief that Apple is going to unveil a cloud music system that is similar to the one Amazon has, but with a huge difference. The concept is that instead of having a mp3 player with a huge physical harddrive to hold all your music and files, you have an mp3 player that has a slim harddrive that accesses all of the music stored in the cloud. Basically, cloud computing for music.

So here’s the difference. Amazon’s model allows you to upload your own music files to the cloud and then download them to each of your devices, where as Apple’s model already will have all the files licensed and stored (like the iTunes store) where, upon purchase, the music track is then simply “shared” with that user and their devices, instead of having to be moved or downloaded to a separate drive each time. This is more brilliant than you might think: instead of having one file that has to be copied into more files, thus taking up more server space, that one file is merely accessed by more devices. Much more efficient.

If it ended there, I’d be happy, but here’s why I’m really excited. Like the iPod, music was a “market-in” to draw people to buying iMacs and iBooks, and this cloud music locker is Apple’s “market-in” to extend their mobile me service into true cloud computing.

Almost all the pieces are already in place. Apple has a system for uploading and storing your files to the cloud (iDisk), Apple has a system for storing and transferring full applications to and from the cloud (the App Store), and Apple has the proven server competence to run it all (eg. iTunes).

This is why Apple has been buying and building billions of dollars worth of servers.

So say for example, you want to write a report for work. You open the App that you use (Pages recommended), which, because it is cloud based, you can open it on you Mac or iPad, and then you write your post, which will then be saved to your folder in the cloud to be accessed by any of your devices. That is true cloud computing, and Apple will be the first company to connect the hardware/software dots in a way that will make sense to the average consumer.

So when does this all begin? I suspect Apple to announce the cloud based music locker service sometime in or before the fall, when Apple traditionally announces iPod/iTunes upgrades.

After that, its to the moon.

[Majestic]

Fuck Amazon. Here's where it's at:

Apple's Next Revolution, Will They Change Cloud Computing Forever?

It is my belief that Apple is going to unveil a cloud music system that is similar to the one Amazon has, but with a huge difference. The concept is that instead of having a mp3 player with a huge physical harddrive to hold all your music and files, you have an mp3 player that has a slim harddrive that accesses all of the music stored in the cloud. Basically, cloud computing for music.

So here’s the difference. Amazon’s model allows you to upload your own music files to the cloud and then download them to each of your devices, where as Apple’s model already will have all the files licensed and stored (like the iTunes store) where, upon purchase, the music track is then simply “shared” with that user and their devices, instead of having to be moved or downloaded to a separate drive each time. This is more brilliant than you might think: instead of having one file that has to be copied into more files, thus taking up more server space, that one file is merely accessed by more devices. Much more efficient.

If it ended there, I’d be happy, but here’s why I’m really excited. Like the iPod, music was a “market-in” to draw people to buying iMacs and iBooks, and this cloud music locker is Apple’s “market-in” to extend their mobile me service into true cloud computing.

Almost all the pieces are already in place. Apple has a system for uploading and storing your files to the cloud (iDisk), Apple has a system for storing and transferring full applications to and from the cloud (the App Store), and Apple has the proven server competence to run it all (eg. iTunes).

This is why Apple has been buying and building billions of dollars worth of servers.

So say for example, you want to write a report for work. You open the App that you use (Pages recommended), which, because it is cloud based, you can open it on you Mac or iPad, and then you write your post, which will then be saved to your folder in the cloud to be accessed by any of your devices. That is true cloud computing, and Apple will be the first company to connect the hardware/software dots in a way that will make sense to the average consumer.

So when does this all begin? I suspect Apple to announce the cloud based music locker service sometime in or before the fall, when Apple traditionally announces iPod/iTunes upgrades.

After that, its to the moon.

I'll pass. When you buy from Amazon, you get to keep it in the cloud for free wtihout it counting against your storage allotment. You get to download it to your computer, your apple i-pod/pad/phone, or whatever device you want, free. Apple will never let you do that if you buy from them. You can even make a copy of that file, or burn it to a compilation disk for mom, just like back in the day, for free.

I don't care how sexy and cool Apple is or gets. If they don't let me have some control over the files I purchase, I'm not interested. I don't want to buy licenseses, either, no thanks.

[Behshad]

Majestic , ignore SaintJohn.He's far from a tech/gadget guy , He is in love with Apple as an investor