Obama apologizes to Donald Trump on CNN

[Behshad]

Time for me to weigh in here. I see a military man, whose sig and avatar make his affiliation quite obvious swiping at the Commander in a forum viewable by millions. That is unacceptable. Fuck 'your rights'. The military isn't a democratic institution. We do things that no democracy can (publicly) tolerate. Hacking off a militia man's head and displaying him on the front of our humvee to show our displeasure in locals dragging our troops bodies through the street is not the action of a democratically run organization. But it needed to be done. Our Chief saying last August we are going to hunt down Obama and KILL him (not capture him, not bring him before a court), not the actions associated with Lady Liberty or the Constitution but again, it needed to happen and it did. What you say to your friends in the confines of your home or in a private setting is your business but when you bring it out here in the open while in uniform, That's when I have an issue with you. I wasn't to pleased with Clinton when he became top dog and of course there were rumblings amongst the ranks but that was just it rumblings. If my displeasure with my leader is too the point I feel the need to stain the uniform in a public forum, then it's time to retire. To try to spin your post after the fact, to bring up the budget or how it's just an order being signed that any president would have done, you totally shit on Team six and the guys that had to go in there and do the deed. If they had failed, the president would have taken the heat for it just like he is entitled to for their accomplishment. Be be it Bush, Clinton or Obama or even fucking Carter, making the command to have this happens takes guts and for whoever's watch it happened on, the accolades should be the same.

The gist here is, you've done your 20 years. If you don't like your commander and chief, then retire. If you want to continue to wear the uniform then shut the fuck up already about what a terrible boss you have.

Wow! I think this is the first time I seen DonGunBot this upset.
While I agree with your post and points, I wanna point out that Carl is a good dude.

[Don]

Time for me to weigh in here. I see a military man, whose sig and avatar make his affiliation quite obvious swiping at the Commander in a forum viewable by millions. That is unacceptable. Fuck 'your rights'. The military isn't a democratic institution. We do things that no democracy can (publicly) tolerate. Hacking off a militia man's head and displaying him on the front of our humvee to show our displeasure in locals dragging our troops bodies through the street is not the action of a democratically run organization. But it needed to be done. Our Chief saying last August we are going to hunt down Obama and KILL him (not capture him, not bring him before a court), not the actions associated with Lady Liberty or the Constitution but again, it needed to happen and it did. What you say to your friends in the confines of your home or in a private setting is your business but when you bring it out here in the open while in uniform, That's when I have an issue with you. I wasn't to pleased with Clinton when he became top dog and of course there were rumblings amongst the ranks but that was just it rumblings. If my displeasure with my leader is too the point I feel the need to stain the uniform in a public forum, then it's time to retire. To try to spin your post after the fact, to bring up the budget or how it's just an order being signed that any president would have done, you totally shit on Team six and the guys that had to go in there and do the deed. If they had failed, the president would have taken the heat for it just like he is entitled to for their accomplishment. Be be it Bush, Clinton or Obama or even fucking Carter, making the command to have this happens takes guts and for whoever's watch it happened on, the accolades should be the same.

The gist here is, you've done your 20 years. If you don't like your commander and chief, then retire. If you want to continue to wear the uniform then shut the fuck up already about what a terrible boss you have.

Wow! I think this is the first time I seen DonGunBot this upset.
While I agree with your post and points, I wanna point out that Carl is a good dude.

I'm sure he is and in no way am I degrading the service and sacrifices he has made on behalf of his country and fellow citizens.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Time for me to weigh in here. I see a military man, whose sig and avatar make his affiliation quite obvious swiping at the Commander in a forum viewable by millions. That is unacceptable. Fuck 'your rights'. The military isn't a democratic institution. We do things that no democracy can (publicly) tolerate. Hacking off a militia man's head and displaying him on the front of our humvee to show our displeasure in locals dragging our troops bodies through the street is not the action of a democratically run organization. But it needed to be done. Our Chief saying last August we are going to hunt down Obama and KILL him (not capture him, not bring him before a court), not the actions associated with Lady Liberty or the Constitution but again, it needed to happen and it did. What you say to your friends in the confines of your home or in a private setting is your business but when you bring it out here in the open while in uniform, That's when I have an issue with you. I wasn't to pleased with Clinton when he became top dog and of course there were rumblings amongst the ranks but that was just it rumblings. If my displeasure with my leader is too the point I feel the need to stain the uniform in a public forum, then it's time to retire. To try to spin your post after the fact, to bring up the budget or how it's just an order being signed that any president would have done, you totally shit on Team six and the guys that had to go in there and do the deed. If they had failed, the president would have taken the heat for it just like he is entitled to for their accomplishment. Be be it Bush, Clinton or Obama or even fucking Carter, making the command to have this happens takes guts and for whoever's watch it happened on, the accolades should be the same.

The gist here is, you've done your 20 years. If you don't like your commander and chief, then retire. If you want to continue to wear the uniform then shut the fuck up already about what a terrible boss you have.

Well spoken from someone who doesn't even know me... Or clearly doesn't understand my opinion in any way. But bash away, folks. Bash away...

If I remember correctly, although the President is my Commander In Chief, I am still an American Citizen and Voter, and I have every right to have an opinion on who is running this country. Don't worry, I still do everything I am told, and I will deploy back to Iraq or Afghanistan when asked, without question or complaint, because it is my duty. And I always perform my duties to the best of my abilities and with pride.

I just won't be like millions of other people when it comes time to re-elect a President, and put all of my faith in our current President just because he happened to be in office when the opportunity to take out OBL arose. I will look at many other things, and vote for who I think is best to take the job.

All I want to know is, will you?

BTW, I thought about your idea to "just shut the fuck up" and I think I'll have to decline on that...

[Don]

Time for me to weigh in here. I see a military man, whose sig and avatar make his affiliation quite obvious swiping at the Commander in a forum viewable by millions. That is unacceptable. Fuck 'your rights'. The military isn't a democratic institution. We do things that no democracy can (publicly) tolerate. Hacking off a militia man's head and displaying him on the front of our humvee to show our displeasure in locals dragging our troops bodies through the street is not the action of a democratically run organization. But it needed to be done. Our Chief saying last August we are going to hunt down Obama and KILL him (not capture him, not bring him before a court), not the actions associated with Lady Liberty or the Constitution but again, it needed to happen and it did. What you say to your friends in the confines of your home or in a private setting is your business but when you bring it out here in the open while in uniform, That's when I have an issue with you. I wasn't to pleased with Clinton when he became top dog and of course there were rumblings amongst the ranks but that was just it rumblings. If my displeasure with my leader is too the point I feel the need to stain the uniform in a public forum, then it's time to retire. To try to spin your post after the fact, to bring up the budget or how it's just an order being signed that any president would have done, you totally shit on Team six and the guys that had to go in there and do the deed. If they had failed, the president would have taken the heat for it just like he is entitled to for their accomplishment. Be be it Bush, Clinton or Obama or even fucking Carter, making the command to have this happens takes guts and for whoever's watch it happened on, the accolades should be the same.

The gist here is, you've done your 20 years. If you don't like your commander and chief, then retire. If you want to continue to wear the uniform then shut the fuck up already about what a terrible boss you have.

Well spoken from someone who doesn't even know me... Or clearly doesn't understand my opinion in any way. But bash away, folks. Bash away...

If I remember correctly, although the President is my Commander In Chief, I am still an American Citizen and Voter, and I have every right to have an opinion on who is running this country. Don't worry, I still do everything I am told, and I will deploy back to Iraq or Afghanistan when asked, without question or complaint, because it is my duty. And I always perform my duties to the best of my abilities and with pride.

I just won't be like millions of other people when it comes time to re-elect a President, and put all of my faith in our current President just because he happened to be in office when the opportunity to take out OBL arose. I will look at many other things, and vote for who I think is best to take the job.

All I want to know is, will you?

I will vote for who I think is fit for the job. High profile terrorists have been eliminated by our soldiers under other administrations besides this one. One action does not a President make.
As far as running your trap, It's not like I can stop you anyway. I voiced my opinion, I'm not going to play keyboard warrior over it.

[Carlitto H@kk]

I will vote for who I think is fit for the job. High profile terrorists have been eliminated by our soldiers under other administrations besides this one. One action does not a President make.

And THAT was the ENTIRE point of my initial post
I guess I came off harsh, but I was getting so fed up with seeing FB posts
and things on the news making Obama out to be the greatest President ever all
because of this one, very significant accomplishment...

Since I am in the military, I have a personal, vested interest in who my President is,
and I fear MANY voters will weigh too heavily on this accomplishment during our next election.

I am not bashing Obama; he did what he had to do, and did right.

[StevePerryHair]

I will vote for who I think is fit for the job. High profile terrorists have been eliminated by our soldiers under other administrations besides this one. One action does not a President make.

And THAT was the ENTIRE point of my initial post
I guess I came off harsh, but I was getting so fed up with seeing FB posts
and things on the news making Obama out to be the greatest President ever all
because of this one, very significant accomplishment...

Since I am in the military, I have a personal, vested interest in who my President is,
and I fear MANY voters will weigh too heavily on this accomplishment during our next election.

I am not bashing Obama; he did what he had to do, and did right.

I really think it was your word "nothing" in your initial post is what did it for those who didn't like your words. If you had worded that differently, I think people would have understood your point much better!

[Michigan Girl]

I will vote for who I think is fit for the job. High profile terrorists have been eliminated by our soldiers under other administrations besides this one. One action does not a President make.

And THAT was the ENTIRE point of my initial post
I guess I came off harsh, but I was getting so fed up with seeing FB posts
and things on the news making Obama out to be the greatest President ever all
because of this one, very significant accomplishment...

Since I am in the military, I have a personal, vested interest in who my President is,
and I fear MANY voters will weigh too heavily on this accomplishment during our next election.

I am not bashing Obama; he did what he had to do, and did right.

Good posts/points both of you!! Congrats to Obama, a special thanks to Bush and his Doctrine, but thanks ESPECIALLY to our men in uniform who actually would/could have died for us!!
Yes, this is a huge victory for Obama, we will be celebrating/praising him for a short while,
but noone with a brain will reelect him based on this alone. We are only pushing
the state of our economy into the background for this moment of relief/celebration, which
our president deserves, but it will be back in the forefront before long ...

[Saint John]

Considering that Pakistan is furious that we invaded their sovereignty and acted unilaterally, I find the following quote from Dean to be hilarious:

President Barack Obama: America has been 'arrogant and dismissive' towards Europe

President Barack Obama has declared that America has "failed to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world" and has "shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" towards its allies.

How is this not correct? He is just telling the truth. I know the truth is hard for you Cons to get your hands around sometimes, but Obama is basically publicly saying sorry for the last eight years of Unilateral rule and Cowboy diplomacy.

He is 100% correct to say this.

He is also 100% hypocritical. But at least he's finally on the right side of the unilateral argument. We don't ask half-assed nations for permission, and we don't give 2 fucks about what Europe thinks. Bush was right, just as Obama was about 72 hours ago. We pretty much solely protect the world from bad guys and this will never change. But if it does, the bad guys will win. We simply can't count on Europe or Pakistan to make tough decisions. So we don't.

[Behshad]

Considering that Pakistan is furious that we invaded their sovereignty and acted unilaterally, I find the following quote from Dean to be hilarious:

President Barack Obama: America has been 'arrogant and dismissive' towards Europe

President Barack Obama has declared that America has "failed to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world" and has "shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" towards its allies.

How is this not correct? He is just telling the truth. I know the truth is hard for you Cons to get your hands around sometimes, but Obama is basically publicly saying sorry for the last eight years of Unilateral rule and Cowboy diplomacy.

He is 100% correct to say this.

He is also 100% hypocritical. But at least he's finally on the right side of the unilateral argument. We don't ask half-assed nations for permission, and we don't give 2 fucks about what Europe thinks. Bush was right, just as Obama was about 72 hours ago. We pretty much solely protect the world from bad guys and this will never change. But if it does, the bad guys will win. We simply can't count on Europe or Pakistan to make tough decisions. So we don't.

Not that it matters much, but I thought the pakistani secret service(if they even have any ) was in this too. I read that they warned the houses in the neighbourhood and told them to turn off all their lights for few hours...

[StevePerryHair]

Considering that Pakistan is furious that we invaded their sovereignty and acted unilaterally, I find the following quote from Dean to be hilarious:

President Barack Obama: America has been 'arrogant and dismissive' towards Europe

President Barack Obama has declared that America has "failed to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world" and has "shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" towards its allies.

How is this not correct? He is just telling the truth. I know the truth is hard for you Cons to get your hands around sometimes, but Obama is basically publicly saying sorry for the last eight years of Unilateral rule and Cowboy diplomacy.

He is 100% correct to say this.

He is also 100% hypocritical. But at least he's finally on the right side of the unilateral argument. We don't ask half-assed nations for permission, and we don't give 2 fucks about what Europe thinks. Bush was right, just as Obama was about 72 hours ago. We pretty much solely protect the world from bad guys and this will never change. But if it does, the bad guys will win. We simply can't count on Europe or Pakistan to make tough decisions. So we don't.

Not that it matters much, but I thought the pakistani secret service(if they even have any ) was in this too. I read that they warned the houses in the neighbourhood and told them to turn off all their lights for few hours...

So what, did the guy in the neighborhood tweeting miss that message??

[Behshad]

Considering that Pakistan is furious that we invaded their sovereignty and acted unilaterally, I find the following quote from Dean to be hilarious:

President Barack Obama: America has been 'arrogant and dismissive' towards Europe

President Barack Obama has declared that America has "failed to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world" and has "shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" towards its allies.

How is this not correct? He is just telling the truth. I know the truth is hard for you Cons to get your hands around sometimes, but Obama is basically publicly saying sorry for the last eight years of Unilateral rule and Cowboy diplomacy.

He is 100% correct to say this.

He is also 100% hypocritical. But at least he's finally on the right side of the unilateral argument. We don't ask half-assed nations for permission, and we don't give 2 fucks about what Europe thinks. Bush was right, just as Obama was about 72 hours ago. We pretty much solely protect the world from bad guys and this will never change. But if it does, the bad guys will win. We simply can't count on Europe or Pakistan to make tough decisions. So we don't.

Not that it matters much, but I thought the pakistani secret service(if they even have any ) was in this too. I read that they warned the houses in the neighbourhood and told them to turn off all their lights for few hours...

So what, did the guy in the neighborhood tweeting miss that message??

Nope , he was twitting in the dark!

[StevePerryHair]

Considering that Pakistan is furious that we invaded their sovereignty and acted unilaterally, I find the following quote from Dean to be hilarious:

President Barack Obama: America has been 'arrogant and dismissive' towards Europe

President Barack Obama has declared that America has "failed to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world" and has "shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" towards its allies.

How is this not correct? He is just telling the truth. I know the truth is hard for you Cons to get your hands around sometimes, but Obama is basically publicly saying sorry for the last eight years of Unilateral rule and Cowboy diplomacy.

He is 100% correct to say this.

He is also 100% hypocritical. But at least he's finally on the right side of the unilateral argument. We don't ask half-assed nations for permission, and we don't give 2 fucks about what Europe thinks. Bush was right, just as Obama was about 72 hours ago. We pretty much solely protect the world from bad guys and this will never change. But if it does, the bad guys will win. We simply can't count on Europe or Pakistan to make tough decisions. So we don't.

Not that it matters much, but I thought the pakistani secret service(if they even have any ) was in this too. I read that they warned the houses in the neighbourhood and told them to turn off all their lights for few hours...

So what, did the guy in the neighborhood tweeting miss that message??

Nope , he was twitting in the dark!

[Saint John]

Considering that Pakistan is furious that we invaded their sovereignty and acted unilaterally, I find the following quote from Dean to be hilarious:

President Barack Obama: America has been 'arrogant and dismissive' towards Europe

President Barack Obama has declared that America has "failed to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world" and has "shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" towards its allies.

How is this not correct? He is just telling the truth. I know the truth is hard for you Cons to get your hands around sometimes, but Obama is basically publicly saying sorry for the last eight years of Unilateral rule and Cowboy diplomacy.

He is 100% correct to say this.

He is also 100% hypocritical. But at least he's finally on the right side of the unilateral argument. We don't ask half-assed nations for permission, and we don't give 2 fucks about what Europe thinks. Bush was right, just as Obama was about 72 hours ago. We pretty much solely protect the world from bad guys and this will never change. But if it does, the bad guys will win. We simply can't count on Europe or Pakistan to make tough decisions. So we don't.

Not that it matters much, but I thought the pakistani secret service(if they even have any ) was in this too. I read that they warned the houses in the neighbourhood and told them to turn off all their lights for few hours...

You know, we'll probably never know the entire truth and, yes, Pakistan may have known and can't admit any knowledge because of internal eruptions from their uncivilized populace. But I honestly don't think they knew, and I really believe that if they did they would have warned him. I just find it odd that they're saying they provided critical evidence about that residence for years, but never stormed it themselves. I think we found him and they wouldn't do anything about it ... probably citing "Nothing in our intelligence gathering leads us to the conclusion that he is there." So we did it ourselves. And Obama deserves credit for shitting on their sovereignty and acting unilaterally. And I'll be the first one to say so.

[steveo777]

Considering that Pakistan is furious that we invaded their sovereignty and acted unilaterally, I find the following quote from Dean to be hilarious:

President Barack Obama: America has been 'arrogant and dismissive' towards Europe

President Barack Obama has declared that America has "failed to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world" and has "shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" towards its allies.

How is this not correct? He is just telling the truth. I know the truth is hard for you Cons to get your hands around sometimes, but Obama is basically publicly saying sorry for the last eight years of Unilateral rule and Cowboy diplomacy.

He is 100% correct to say this.

He is also 100% hypocritical. But at least he's finally on the right side of the unilateral argument. We don't ask half-assed nations for permission, and we don't give 2 fucks about what Europe thinks. Bush was right, just as Obama was about 72 hours ago. We pretty much solely protect the world from bad guys and this will never change. But if it does, the bad guys will win. We simply can't count on Europe or Pakistan to make tough decisions. So we don't.

Not that it matters much, but I thought the pakistani secret service(if they even have any ) was in this too. I read that they warned the houses in the neighbourhood and told them to turn off all their lights for few hours...

You know, we'll probably never know the entire truth and, yes, Pakistan may have known and can't admit any knowledge because of internal eruptions from their uncivilized populace. But I honestly don't think they knew, and I really believe that if they did they would have warned him. I just find it odd that they're saying they provided critical evidence about that residence for years, but never stormed it themselves. I think we found him and they wouldn't do anything about it ... probably citing "Nothing in our intelligence gathering leads us to the conclusion that he is there." So we did it ourselves. And Obama deserves credit for shitting on their sovereignty and acting unilaterally. And I'll be the first one to say so.

Great job too! I think their govt. and previous president knew where he was all along. Fuck 'em!

[Don]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13274176

The head of the CIA has said the US did not tell Pakistan about the operation to capture al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden because it feared the Pakistanis would leak information to the targets.

CIA director Leon Panetta told Time magazine they decided co-operation "could jeopardise the mission".

Pakistan's intelligence agency, the ISI, says it is embarrassed by its failures on Bin Laden.

Pakistan's government denied knowledge of the raid before it took place.

Bin Laden, 54, was the founder and leader of al-Qaeda. He is believed to have ordered the attacks on New York and Washington on 11 September 2001, as well as a number of other deadly bombings.

In its article, billed as Mr Panetta's first interview since Bin Laden was killed, Time magazine says "the CIA ruled out participating with its nominal South Asian ally early on".

It quotes Mr Panetta as saying "it was decided that any effort to work with the Pakistanis could jeopardize the mission. They might alert the targets".

[steveo777]

Pakistan receives hoards of financial aid from the USA. Future relations with them may be strained at best.
I find it almost impossible to believe that they did not know OBL's where abouts, but yet we could go in
there, find him and carry out a successful assassination. They should be fucking embarrased.

[SF-Dano]

Nope , he was twitting in the dark!

Is that kinda like .... "Just putting at night"

[Jana]

I will vote for who I think is fit for the job. High profile terrorists have been eliminated by our soldiers under other administrations besides this one. One action does not a President make.

And THAT was the ENTIRE point of my initial post
I guess I came off harsh, but I was getting so fed up with seeing FB posts
and things on the news making Obama out to be the greatest President ever all
because of this one, very significant accomplishment...

Since I am in the military, I have a personal, vested interest in who my President is,
and I fear MANY voters will weigh too heavily on this accomplishment during our next election.

I am not bashing Obama; he did what he had to do, and did right.

There's always FB posts or posts on the internet, etc., about any president at times like this, like I'm sure when national pride was sky high when Bush declared war because of the WMDs in Iraq.

But. seriously, because everyone is happy about this and praising all those concerned rightfully, you think that in another year and a half, if the economy is still in the toilet or worse, that this event will sway millions of voters? Not many. Not being able to pay bills or get a job or being fired is what will sway them. In fact, between now and then we may have another terrorist attack or America may be sick of the the ongoing war and hold it against Obama.

But, let's face it, the real fact is that those that always vote down the party line will just because they do. which is the majority of Americans, Rep or Dem. Those that are very unhappy with the economy, etc.,and are moderates like me, will look at the other option from the GOP, and since it doesn't appear there's any great frontrunners so far that are considered moderate (besides Romney, who I still say won't get the pick, though he should), they will vote for Obama by default. And there's no one in the Democratic party that has a chance against Obama, just as there was no one that in the Rep party that stood a chance against Bush as the incumbent.

[yulog]

I went back and read Carls post and i took it as Carl was saying that obama is getting credit for something that other unknown people risked their lives for(isn't this how it always is, some figurehead gets the credit for what someone else actually had the courage to do). He obviously is worried that this will sway millions of voters to vote for obama because of this one thing(lets face it Carls right, millions of people will vote for him because of bin laden)

I think its crazy that Carl of all people(still in active duty, still has the potential to lose his life or watch his friends lose their lives because of their service to this country) shouldn't be able to have a voice in how he feels.

The whole idea of telling someone to just be a "blind follower" in 2011 just seems so backward... especially since we just ended someones life who was the leader of backward thinking, blind followers.

[Voyager]

I think Obama is cool. I voted for him and I even donated to his campaign. I think it is great that he made Osama one of his priorities.

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f4xWorprhM

I also vote for George Bush in 2000, but not in 2004. He ruined my faith in the GOP because all of the conservative economic ethics were tossed out the window. Clinton did a much better job with the economy. Obama is doing a pretty good job, but unless he gets the gasoline prices to drop, the economy will suffer.

[Jana]

I think Obama is cool. I voted for him and I even donated to his campaign.

I also vote for George Bush in 2000, but not in 2004. He ruined my faith in the GOP because all of the conservative economic ethics were tossed out the window. Clinton did a much better job with the economy. Obama is doing a pretty good job, but unless he gets the gasoline prices to drop, the economy will suffer.

Clinton and Bush never faced what Obama faced, and I do believe he stopped us from entering a full-blown depression.

[Behshad]

I went back and read Carls post and i took it as Carl was saying that obama is getting credit for something that other unknown people risked their lives for(isn't this how it always is, some figurehead gets the credit for what someone else actually had the courage to do). He obviously is worried that this will sway millions of voters to vote for obama because of this one thing(lets face it Carls right, millions of people will vote for him because of bin laden)

I think its crazy that Carl of all people(still in active duty, still has the potential to lose his life or watch his friends lose their lives because of their service to this country) shouldn't be able to have a voice in how he feels.

The whole idea of telling someone to just be a "blind follower" in 2011 just seems so backward... especially since we just ended someones life who was the leader of backward thinking, blind followers.

At least this time the rough men had some spectators. Last President didnt even bother being a spectator, let alone a leader

[Voyager]

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts, 3/13/02

"We will kill Bin Laden, and we will crush Al Qaeda. That has to be our biggest priority."
- Barack Obama when asked about Osama Bin Laden, 10/7/08

I rest my case.

[Melissa]

I think its crazy that Carl of all people(still in active duty, still has the potential to lose his life or watch his friends lose their lives because of their service to this country) shouldn't be able to have a voice in how he feels.

+1. I think some of the stuff hurled at him here is beyond sad. But I guess it kind of reflects how separated this country is these days, even if it is just a message board, lol.

[S2M]

In my opinion, the military isn't some collective that needs to be put on a pedestal. I appreciate what they do, and I served myself. This whole line of thinking that a soldier shouldn't bad mouth the CIC is complete and utter bunk.

I'm not against a military, or the military....I just think we need to reign it in with the idol worship. The only people waving the poms-poms are either military, ex-military, gun-toting southerners, or family members of military/ex-military....the rest of us are more level-headed.

My problem is with old white men sending other people's kids over there to die...I don't see Bush's daughters serving....I don't see Cheney's son serving. I see a lot of needless dying over there....and it has gotten so old hat that they don't even tell you about it anymore. It gets nothing more than a space on the crawl....

Killing is business, and business is GOOD.....

[Behshad]

I think its crazy that Carl of all people(still in active duty, still has the potential to lose his life or watch his friends lose their lives because of their service to this country) shouldn't be able to have a voice in how he feels.

+1. I think some of the stuff hurled at him here is beyond sad. But I guess it kind of reflects how separated this country is these days, even if it is just a message board, lol.

Stuff were hurled at him because he worded things wrong. Separation could go both ways, specially when one says the President had NOTHING to do with BinLaden getting killed

[Deb]

Stuff were hurled at him because he worded things wrong. Separation could go both ways, specially when one says the President had NOTHING to do with BinLaden getting killed

Atta boy.....you finally changed that sig!

[Michigan Girl]

Great post, FF ...because you'll be slammed in a min...

[Behshad]

You libs sure are getting slap happy here. Need I remind you that all you guys did for 7 years was degrade our President and Armed Forces along with aiding and abetting our enemies while degrading the job our service men were sent to do. Your precious Won getting credit is all you can hope for in this instance because everything else he's touched has turned to shit. Your precious Won was going to bring the boys home and you cheered, yet once in office he sent more men there. Your precious Won was going to close Gitmo and you cheered, yet once in office he left it open and nada from you. He was going to eleminate the Bush tax cuts and you cheered, yet once in office he's now extended them. You wailed and gnashed your teeth over waterboarding and your precious Won was going to do away with the practice yet now we learn it was that very practice that gleaned the info that got us Osama on Sunday and all you can do is cheer for your precious Won, when in fact it was the Bush/Cheney doctrine which enabled Won to finally get the much needed intel and pull the trigger.

Let me tell you guys something. The left desperately wants some victory, any victory to raise them out of last Novembers shellacking at the pools. This won't be it. Americans rightfully see the Sunday action as a win for America, not a win for the Won or a win for the left, unlike say Obamacare which over half the Country opposed and still do. People know the real story. Good on him for pulling the trigger but that's all it was, we damned well know that if not for the Bush actions Sunday would have never happened if left up to the left.

yea yea yea. If Bush had FOCUSED on this task back in 2001, when he promised he would do so, he wouldve got the job done within couple years. He got way off track by ignoring Osama and focusing on Saddam who was MUCH less danger to OUR NATION!
Of course you would wanna turn things around , not surprised here. According to you, anything good happening right now is as a result of what Bush did during his term and any fuckin mess Obama has to deal with its because either Obama or Clinton created all the problems.

Killing BinLaden is a MINOR step towards fighting terrorism. But at least something is happening now. At least we GOT THE RIGHT GUY, instead of invading another country, risking our soldiers life, just to "bring them freedom".

Bush didnt have any actions, thats why Bin Laden enjoyed his vacation in Pakistan, knowing Bush isnt concerned about him

And MG , no one is slamming him. But for someone who calls himself FACT finder, he manages to twist most facts to his own political views benefit Fact Bender ?

[Seven Wishes2]

No one belittled the Armed Forces. Your post is so inaccurate that to point out all its flaws would take up the next three hours.

The CIA's intelligence came from diligence, patience, and brilliance, not some hyperbolic doctrine that would have called for the annihilation of the entire city.

Get a grip and stop making this a divisive issue. Wow, you're a jackass sometimes.

If this had happened under Dumbya - which it did NOT - the lot of you would be engaged in Ameria's biggest jerk circle. Hypocrite.