Eclipse - Your Reviews

by **brywool** » Wed May 25, 2011 5:13 am

I haven't seen anyone digging "Ritual" yet. Great song...

by **Saint John** » Wed May 25, 2011 5:34 am

brywool wrote:I haven't seen anyone digging "Ritual" yet. Great song...

Listening to it as I read this.

by **Don** » Wed May 25, 2011 5:38 am

Saint John wrote:
brywool wrote:I haven't seen anyone digging "Ritual" yet. Great song...

Listening to it as I read this.

Journey should let Night Ranger open with it. It echoes their style of song to a 'T'.

by **Carlitto H@kk** » Wed May 25, 2011 5:47 am

After my initial, first listen through,
Ritual definitely stood out for me.

Plan on giving this album a few more run-throughs
Before I make a final opinion... But I like what I've heard so far!

by **VirgilTheart** » Wed May 25, 2011 5:53 am

brywool wrote:I haven't seen anyone digging "Ritual" yet. Great song...

Originally I didn't care much at all about that song. Now I'm loving it. Not at all my favorite, but certainly a good cut. :wink:

-Oh- and it would appear I have an online stalker (or someone here who I haven't seen or just didn't recognize)! :lol:

Check out this rant somone posted as a review for Eclipse on Journey's main website in response to my review there.

Hey VirgilThreat!
Monday, May 23, 2011 - 8:11 pm - by tbever84
You just had to start out on Steve Perry, as you CONSTANTLY do at "MR" huh?

Steve Perry is the greatest singer/frontman the band has ever known, and guess what - NEVER HAD TO COPY ANYONE IN ORDER TO SELL.

"I just flat out prefer Perry's voice."

The music Steve Perry created with the band and made famous with his great voice has stood the test of time - over 30 years, 80 millions albums sold.

Robert F. was the first singer and Greg was never really considered the singer or frontman, but none of that matters, b/c they only came to prominence with The "Voice," Steve Perry. And if I may quote a reviewer of one of the band's recent shows earlier this year "The band's greatest glory, Steve Perry."

Be sure to enjoy your Eclipse CD (can't manage to listen myself) b/c the band knows what it has to play when it hits the stage - "The Greatest Hits."

LOVE how this guy set his account to private and didn't even really review the album at all. :roll:

Ironically enough, I'm not mad at all. In fact, I'm dying of laughter. :lol:

And btw, tbever84, it's spelled 'Theart'. Not 'Threat'. :wink:

by **Michigan Girl** » Wed May 25, 2011 5:56 am

Sounds like they just presented you w/facts ... :wink:

by **VirgilTheart** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:00 am

Michigan Girl wrote:Sounds like they just presented you w/facts ...

Facts that are irrelevant to the album, my dear Michigan Girl. So what if Perry was what made the band big? I know that as well as anyone else, but unlike others, I wasn't there for 1981 Tokyo, or any other notable Perry-era concert. And I was a toddler when Trial by Fire came out. :lol:

Either way, I'm laughing my butt off here. :lol:

by **Everett** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:01 am

I caved......

by **Intell** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:07 am

OK- so start releasing the flaming darts now.

The packaging...hmmm. The lyrics are TOTALLY SCREWED UP!!! Some missing, some wrong, REALLY BAD!!!! I would LOVE to be the one who proofs the next CD jacket, including the lyrics. Please, pick me

I would sign a gag order.

I LOVE the music. Favorite so far; Edge of the Moment. The ONLY thing musically that have a slightly negative note on is, She's A Mystery; it could have stood alone without the added rockin' ending. I still like the song, the ending just felt a little out of place.

OK, so my issue is with the lyrics. I have my own VERY STRONG opinions/convictions and I will lay them out there, because EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion. Someone, please call 911 now, because the blood will be flowing out of me at a drastic rate right after this is posted.

Tantra- "Many roads lead to heaven"- I personally disagree. Also the basic theme- is based upon Eastern religion, which is not my cup of tea. "Tantra watch over me" - Tantra def. "loom, warp"; hence "principle, system, doctrine" or "The spiritual art of love...of connecting spirit with form", so how can that "watch over me"?? Just askin'......

Anything Is Possible - "You don't need a miracle. Anything is possible." - I do believe that anything IS possible, but sometime it DOES require a miracle.

To Whom It May Concern - "Man is love." - Man is not love; God is. "Man is animal" - Guess I think of us as "human" not "animal". "No Hell to burn" - unfortunately, there is a hell and it is burning, whether we acknowledge it or not.

So I really love the music but MAY not be recommending the CD to a lot of people, because of the lyrics.

Here we go....

by **Michigan Girl** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:10 am

VirgilTheart wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:Sounds like they just presented you w/facts ...

Facts that are irrelevant to the album, my dear Michigan Girl. So what if Perry was what made the band big? I know that as well as anyone else, but unlike others, I wasn't there for 1981 Tokyo, or any other notable Perry-era concert. And I was a toddler when Trial by Fire came out.

Either way, I'm laughing my butt off here.

What did your review say, Virgil?!? The
reply alleges that you started on SP ...if you did, you made it relevant and you get
what you get!!

This is a No Whining Zone!! ( I know you're laughing) :wink:

by **VirgilTheart** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:25 am

Michigan Girl wrote:What did your review say, Virgil?!? The
reply alleges that you started on SP ...if you did, you made it relevant and you get
what you get!!

This is a No Whining Zone!! ( I know you're laughing)

My review? Well, if you're interested, here it is. I didn't go into specific songs, since I had already reviewed several songs separately (you can do that there)

Unlike many fans of the band, I never really cared too much about Steve Perry. Great singer and was the original "Voice" of the band (if we're not counting Gregg Rolie of course), sure, but by no means was he the band's God.

And honestly I just flat-out prefer Arnel's voice over Perry's.

And I love progressive rock. I like music that makes me think. Music that has a lot of twists and turns. Music that shows the band playing it are capable masters of their craft.

And that's exactly what Eclipse does. Bearing several really heavy rockers and no -sappy- ballads (there are a couple of ballads but not at all like how they usually are), Eclipse is proof this band still has the magic.

And I suppose you might have a point, but on the whole, there's nothing wrong with what I said. I merely stated my rather rare position in the fandom and actually progressed to talking about the album. :wink:

Both me and the guy who responded are entitled to freedom of speech, certainly, but the difference is this: I was only reviewing an album and stated my view on Journey, the other guy got pissed off about my personal opinion and ranted off in response and came across as totally immature. :roll:

Hence why I'm dying of laughter, Michigan Girl. :lol:

by **Eric** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:29 am

Written and performed as a spiritual concept album. I’ve read it’s about Hinduism but I think it’s really more about stretching out. While I think 2000’s Arrival hammered you over the head not so subtly about rebirth, I think this might be alluding to rebirth as well. This is Journey’s 16th studio album, 8th without Steve Perry and 2nd with current frontman Arnel Pineda. I rate it 8/10. It was better the second time through, but even the first time raised my eyebrows more than a few times. It could go as high as 9 and as low 7. It fits in best with the more experimental second side of 1983’s Frontiers or compares to 2002’s Red13 if it was full length and properly produced with a capable singer. It is not in the same league as all-time classics Escape and Frontiers – but what is? Still, this does have the potential to be their 3rd best work of all-time. It was reported that there was a lot of friction between band members and producer on this album – some will say that’s a good thing. It will have difficulty selling double platinum like its predecessor “Revelation” without Arnel’s sob story being new and without a DVD and Greatest Hits being included with it. Similar though - it is a Walmart exclusive and in chincy cardboard packaging.

Track by track:

1) City of Hope isn't great, but its good. Not a bad opener for this concept album, however. Schon has a generic solo at the end...the radio edit actually doesn't miss it….for a change. Piss poor choice for a single, though.

2) Edge of the Moment is Separate Ways as an adult. Not a copycat like Message of Love was...but a great urgent rocker. So far my favorite riff of an album that some claim lacks riffs. Journey somehow manages to be heavy and dark…YET..not mopey and depressing!

3) Chain of Love does indeed feature their heaviest riff ever…or at least since the start of La-Do-Da. Has a couple different directions too. Battling with Edge as my fave so far. Modern day Chain Reaction..both in title and progressiveness?

4) Tantra changes direction several times and while at times it is rather Disney-esque, other times it is really quite moving. Sounds like a crispy sunny Fall day. Curveballs too, especially with the outro.

5) Anything is Possible is a typical Journey song. Sounds like it would fit on Generations and even sounds a little like Augeri singing. Hokey, but I like it. Even this though, doesn’t follow an exact formula with a great twisty end. Schon’s solo here is anything but generic. Is out of place with what I think the concept is trying to be though?

6) Resonate won’t resonate with those looking for Open Arms 6. It is moody, brooding and my headphones can’t handle all the sonic this brings. The urgency feels like just before a nasty T-storm. And this just keeps building intensity too. The faith message is dominating yet not distracting. Cain’s keys are perfect.

7) She’s a Mystery recycles somewhat from Arrival’s Japan bonus “I’m not that way” at the beginning. This is Arnel’s first contribution writing wise. A rare acoustic feat for this band. I like it, and I love Arnel’s vocals soaring. Just when you think its over and bland the end starts to do something COMPLETELY different and then HOLY EFF it takes off and KICKS ASS. Maybe Journey’s finest post-Perry moment right there. Literally floored me. WOW! Don’t skip this before it’s over!

8 Human Feel This was my favorite live track so far…and the studio version is even better. Deep jungle beats from Deen-O and some 70’s organ work. Song has that upbeat Journey ride to it. Roll the windows down on a hot summer night and crank it up. Its new…but its Journey. Just when the end becomes a little tired, there is some different drum work that catches your ear.

9) Ritual picks right up where Human Feel left off. ENERGY..FAST PACED. Just like the rest of the album, just when a song seems played it picks up and moves to a new direction.

10) To whom it may concern has a fresh riff, but would have made a better beginning of another song than its own song. This is Arnel’s second contribution. I think its talking to whatever God you believe in…you know, “Is anyone there?” Interesting for sure…..just a deep step down from the intensity built up to this point. I get bored for the first time.

11) Someone couldn’t be anyone but Journey. A little out of place on here (could have been a cut off Arrival). Classic harmony and choruses. It’s also the only song under 5 minutes, so, not that radio play is an option, but this could play nice with SiriusXM…formulatic, short…instantly recognizable.

12) Venus For the second straight album Schon ends with an instrumental. Revelation was stronger. I “got it” right away. This has the same riff as To Whom it may concern. I guess I would have preferred if they combined the best elements of the two tracks and then did something different for the end. But, I haven’t got into the concept fully yet, so maybe I’ll change my mind.

Where it ranks All-Time in Journey’s Catalog:
1. Escape (’81)
2. Frontiers (’83)
3. Eclipse (’11)
4. Infinity (’77)
5. Arrival (’00)
6. Revelations (2008)
7. Evolution (’79)
8. Generations (’05)
9. Departure (’80)
10. Raised on Radio (’86)
11. Trial by Fire (’96)
12. Red13 (’02)
13. Journey (’74)
14. Look into the Future (’75)
15. Next (’76)
16. Dream after Dream (’79)

by **conversationpc** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:31 am

Intell wrote:Tantra- "Many roads lead to heaven"- I personally disagree. Also the basic theme- is based upon Eastern religion, which is not my cup of tea. "Tantra watch over me" - Tantra def. "loom, warp"; hence "principle, system, doctrine" or "The spiritual art of love...of connecting spirit with form", so how can that "watch over me"?? Just askin'......

I couldn't agree more. "Tantra" is the worst song on the album because of this, in my opinion, and besides that, it doesn't do much for me musically, either.

To Whom It May Concern - "Man is love." - Man is not love; God is. "Man is animal" - Guess I think of us as "human" not "animal". "No Hell to burn" - unfortunately, there is a hell and it is burning, whether we acknowledge it or not.

Yup.

by **Don** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:31 am

VirgilTheart wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:Sounds like they just presented you w/facts ...

Facts that are irrelevant to the album, my dear Michigan Girl. So what if Perry was what made the band big? I know that as well as anyone else, but unlike others, I wasn't there for 1981 Tokyo, or any other notable Perry-era concert. And I was a toddler when Trial by Fire came out.

Either way, I'm laughing my butt off here.

Hmm... it appears you yourself did start off the review with a remark intended to bring on a rebuttal.

"Unlike many fans of the band, I never really cared too much about Steve Perry. Great singer and was the original "Voice" of the band (if we're not counting Gregg Rolie of course), sure, but by no means was he the band's God."

God.
I see that term bandied about a lot by the Flip brigade when ever they try to equate something with the Fans' adulation for SP.

Are we possibly going to be treated to the obligatory PEACE! from you also in the near future, at the end of each and every post? :lol:

by **brywool** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:32 am

VirgilTheart wrote:
brywool wrote:I haven't seen anyone digging "Ritual" yet. Great song...

Originally I didn't care much at all about that song. Now I'm loving it. Not at all my favorite, but certainly a good cut.

-Oh- and it would appear I have an online stalker (or someone here who I haven't seen or just didn't recognize)!

Check out this rant somone posted as a review for Eclipse on Journey's main website in response to my review there.

Hey VirgilThreat!
Monday, May 23, 2011 - 8:11 pm - by tbever84
You just had to start out on Steve Perry, as you CONSTANTLY do at "MR" huh?

Steve Perry is the greatest singer/frontman the band has ever known, and guess what - NEVER HAD TO COPY ANYONE IN ORDER TO SELL.

"I just flat out prefer Perry's voice."

The music Steve Perry created with the band and made famous with his great voice has stood the test of time - over 30 years, 80 millions albums sold.

Robert F. was the first singer and Greg was never really considered the singer or frontman, but none of that matters, b/c they only came to prominence with The "Voice," Steve Perry. And if I may quote a reviewer of one of the band's recent shows earlier this year "The band's greatest glory, Steve Perry."

Be sure to enjoy your Eclipse CD (can't manage to listen myself) b/c the band knows what it has to play when it hits the stage - "The Greatest Hits."

LOVE how this guy set his account to private and didn't even really review the album at all.

Ironically enough, I'm not mad at all. In fact, I'm dying of laughter.

And btw, tbever84, it's spelled 'Theart'. Not 'Threat'.

Excuse me but Steve Perry TOTALLY COPPED Sam Cooke's style. Listen to Sam's "Nothing Can Ever Change this Love" and then listen to "Lovin Touchin Squeezin". Steve COMPLETELY ripped off the style and phrasing (not to mention some of the lyrics) from Sam. Steve Perry was a vocal god, but he wore his influences on his sleeve and he always admitted that fact. "The Girl Can't Help It"- Hardly an original title- just ask Little Richard. Same with "Ask the Lonely" more like "Ask the Four Tops". Not to take anything away from Perry. The guy was an amazing singer. But the person who sent this to you doesn't know what they're talking about.

The fact that this person feels so threatened by Arnel is so ridiculous, yet indicative of a lot of Perry fans, mostly the female ones. It's also typical that they'd complain about the new album without listening to it.

Three guesses who sent that to you ...

by **slucero** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:37 am

brywool wrote:
VirgilTheart wrote:
brywool wrote:I haven't seen anyone digging "Ritual" yet. Great song...

Originally I didn't care much at all about that song. Now I'm loving it. Not at all my favorite, but certainly a good cut.

-Oh- and it would appear I have an online stalker (or someone here who I haven't seen or just didn't recognize)!

Check out this rant somone posted as a review for Eclipse on Journey's main website in response to my review there.

Hey VirgilThreat!
Monday, May 23, 2011 - 8:11 pm - by tbever84
You just had to start out on Steve Perry, as you CONSTANTLY do at "MR" huh?

Steve Perry is the greatest singer/frontman the band has ever known, and guess what - NEVER HAD TO COPY ANYONE IN ORDER TO SELL.

"I just flat out prefer Perry's voice."

The music Steve Perry created with the band and made famous with his great voice has stood the test of time - over 30 years, 80 millions albums sold.

Robert F. was the first singer and Greg was never really considered the singer or frontman, but none of that matters, b/c they only came to prominence with The "Voice," Steve Perry. And if I may quote a reviewer of one of the band's recent shows earlier this year "The band's greatest glory, Steve Perry."

Be sure to enjoy your Eclipse CD (can't manage to listen myself) b/c the band knows what it has to play when it hits the stage - "The Greatest Hits."

LOVE how this guy set his account to private and didn't even really review the album at all.

Ironically enough, I'm not mad at all. In fact, I'm dying of laughter.

And btw, tbever84, it's spelled 'Theart'. Not 'Threat'.

Excuse me but Steve Perry TOTALLY COPPED Sam Cooke's style. Listen to Sam's "Nothing Can Ever Change this Love" and then listen to "Lovin Touchin Squeezin". Steve COMPLETELY ripped off the style and phrasing (not to mention some of the lyrics) from Sam. Steve Perry was a vocal god, but he wore his influences on his sleeve and he always admitted that fact. "The Girl Can't Help It"- Hardly an original title- just ask Little Richard. Same with "Ask the Lonely" more like "Ask the Four Tops". Not to take anything away from Perry. The guy was an amazing singer. But the person who sent this to you doesn't know what they're talking about.

The fact that this person feels so threatened by Arnel is so ridiculous, yet indicative of a lot of Perry fans, mostly the female ones. It's also typical that they'd complain about the new album without listening to it.

Three guesses who sent that to you ...

I'm pretty sure Perry isn't threatened by Arnel.

Arnie has a long way to go to before he can wear Perry's shoes.. .much less his socks..

by **brywool** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:39 am

Everett wrote:I caved......

Atta Boy! Better than any new music Styx has put out in the last 8 years.

by **brywool** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:39 am

slucero wrote:
brywool wrote:
VirgilTheart wrote:
brywool wrote:I haven't seen anyone digging "Ritual" yet. Great song...

Originally I didn't care much at all about that song. Now I'm loving it. Not at all my favorite, but certainly a good cut.

-Oh- and it would appear I have an online stalker (or someone here who I haven't seen or just didn't recognize)!

Check out this rant somone posted as a review for Eclipse on Journey's main website in response to my review there.

Hey VirgilThreat!
Monday, May 23, 2011 - 8:11 pm - by tbever84
You just had to start out on Steve Perry, as you CONSTANTLY do at "MR" huh?

Steve Perry is the greatest singer/frontman the band has ever known, and guess what - NEVER HAD TO COPY ANYONE IN ORDER TO SELL.

"I just flat out prefer Perry's voice."

The music Steve Perry created with the band and made famous with his great voice has stood the test of time - over 30 years, 80 millions albums sold.

Robert F. was the first singer and Greg was never really considered the singer or frontman, but none of that matters, b/c they only came to prominence with The "Voice," Steve Perry. And if I may quote a reviewer of one of the band's recent shows earlier this year "The band's greatest glory, Steve Perry."

Be sure to enjoy your Eclipse CD (can't manage to listen myself) b/c the band knows what it has to play when it hits the stage - "The Greatest Hits."

LOVE how this guy set his account to private and didn't even really review the album at all.

Ironically enough, I'm not mad at all. In fact, I'm dying of laughter.

And btw, tbever84, it's spelled 'Theart'. Not 'Threat'.

Excuse me but Steve Perry TOTALLY COPPED Sam Cooke's style. Listen to Sam's "Nothing Can Ever Change this Love" and then listen to "Lovin Touchin Squeezin". Steve COMPLETELY ripped off the style and phrasing (not to mention some of the lyrics) from Sam. Steve Perry was a vocal god, but he wore his influences on his sleeve and he always admitted that fact. "The Girl Can't Help It"- Hardly an original title- just ask Little Richard. Same with "Ask the Lonely" more like "Ask the Four Tops". Not to take anything away from Perry. The guy was an amazing singer. But the person who sent this to you doesn't know what they're talking about.

The fact that this person feels so threatened by Arnel is so ridiculous, yet indicative of a lot of Perry fans, mostly the female ones. It's also typical that they'd complain about the new album without listening to it.

Three guesses who sent that to you ...

I'm pretty sure Perry isn't threatened by Arnel.

Arnie has a long way to go to before he can wear Perry's shoes.. .much less his socks..

Nobody said Perry was threatened by Arnel... the person who wrote to virgil obviously is.

by **Michigan Girl** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:41 am

VirgilTheart wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:What did your review say, Virgil?!? The
reply alleges that you started on SP ...if you did, you made it relevant and you get
what you get!!

This is a No Whining Zone!! ( I know you're laughing)

My review? Well, if you're interested, here it is. I didn't go into specific songs, since I had already reviewed several songs separately (you can do that there)

Unlike many fans of the band, I never really cared too much about Steve Perry. Great singer and was the original "Voice" of the band (if we're not counting Gregg Rolie of course), sure, but by no means was he the band's God.

And honestly I just flat-out prefer Arnel's voice over Perry's.

And I love progressive rock. I like music that makes me think. Music that has a lot of twists and turns. Music that shows the band playing it are capable masters of their craft.

And that's exactly what Eclipse does. Bearing several really heavy rockers and no -sappy- ballads (there are a couple of ballads but not at all like how they usually are), Eclipse is proof this band still has the magic.

And I suppose you might have a point, but on the whole, there's nothing wrong with what I said. I merely stated my rather rare position in the fandom and actually progressed to talking about the album.

Both me and the guy who responded are entitled to freedom of speech, certainly, but the difference is this: I was only reviewing an album and stated my view on Journey, the other guy got pissed off about my personal opinion and ranted off in response and came across as totally immature.

Hence why I'm dying of laughter, Michigan Girl.

You think you show more maturity chopping one down in order to build AP up?!?! Sorry ...you drew first!!

by **VirgilTheart** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:43 am

Don wrote:Hmm... it appears you yourself did start off the review with a remark intended to bring on a rebuttal.

"Unlike many fans of the band, I never really cared too much about Steve Perry. Great singer and was the original "Voice" of the band (if we're not counting Gregg Rolie of course), sure, but by no means was he the band's God."

God.
I see that term bandied about a lot by the Flip brigade when ever they try to equate something with the Fans' adulation for SP.

Are we possibly going to be treated to the obligatory PEACE! from you also in the near future, at the end of each and every post?

Like I previously said, I suppose MG had a point. :wink:

But I wasn't meaning to challenge others.

I simply don't give a damn about Steve Perry. He was an arrogant bastard with a kickass voice that helped write several big hits. Oh and he was a huge superstar over a decade before I was even born.

What pisses me off is the deluded notion some fans have that Perry can still sing like it's 1981. Did any of those folks ever listen to Trial by Fire? Add over 15 years on to that and anyone who really still thinks Perry can sing like he could in his youth is either not thinking straight or they're stuck in nostalgia.

by **portland** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:44 am

brywool wrote:
VirgilTheart wrote:
brywool wrote:I haven't seen anyone digging "Ritual" yet. Great song...

Originally I didn't care much at all about that song. Now I'm loving it. Not at all my favorite, but certainly a good cut.

-Oh- and it would appear I have an online stalker (or someone here who I haven't seen or just didn't recognize)!

Check out this rant somone posted as a review for Eclipse on Journey's main website in response to my review there.

Hey VirgilThreat!
Monday, May 23, 2011 - 8:11 pm - by tbever84
You just had to start out on Steve Perry, as you CONSTANTLY do at "MR" huh?

Steve Perry is the greatest singer/frontman the band has ever known, and guess what - NEVER HAD TO COPY ANYONE IN ORDER TO SELL.

"I just flat out prefer Perry's voice."

The music Steve Perry created with the band and made famous with his great voice has stood the test of time - over 30 years, 80 millions albums sold.

Robert F. was the first singer and Greg was never really considered the singer or frontman, but none of that matters, b/c they only came to prominence with The "Voice," Steve Perry. And if I may quote a reviewer of one of the band's recent shows earlier this year "The band's greatest glory, Steve Perry."

Be sure to enjoy your Eclipse CD (can't manage to listen myself) b/c the band knows what it has to play when it hits the stage - "The Greatest Hits."

LOVE how this guy set his account to private and didn't even really review the album at all.

Ironically enough, I'm not mad at all. In fact, I'm dying of laughter.

And btw, tbever84, it's spelled 'Theart'. Not 'Threat'.

Excuse me but Steve Perry TOTALLY COPPED Sam Cooke's style. Listen to Sam's "Nothing Can Ever Change this Love" and then listen to "Lovin Touchin Squeezin". Steve COMPLETELY ripped off the style and phrasing (not to mention some of the lyrics) from Sam. Steve Perry was a vocal god, but he wore his influences on his sleeve and he always admitted that fact. "The Girl Can't Help It"- Hardly an original title- just ask Little Richard. Same with "Ask the Lonely" more like "Ask the Four Tops". Not to take anything away from Perry. The guy was an amazing singer. But the person who sent this to you doesn't know what they're talking about.

The fact that this person feels so threatened by Arnel is so ridiculous, yet indicative of a lot of Perry fans, mostly the female ones. It's also typical that they'd complain about the new album without listening to it.

Three guesses who sent that to you ...

Not me! Yay! :lol:

by **SF-Dano** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:47 am

Eric wrote: This is Journey’s 16th studio album, 8th without Steve Perry and 2nd with current frontman Arnel Pineda.

You had me wondering as I began to type this regarding album 8 without SP. Then it hit me, you are including the three releases prior to Perry joining and the Red 13EP correct? Your wording had me confused for a brief minute.

by **Don** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:47 am

conversationpc wrote:
Intell wrote:Tantra- "Many roads lead to heaven"- I personally disagree. Also the basic theme- is based upon Eastern religion, which is not my cup of tea. "Tantra watch over me" - Tantra def. "loom, warp"; hence "principle, system, doctrine" or "The spiritual art of love...of connecting spirit with form", so how can that "watch over me"?? Just askin'......

I couldn't agree more. "Tantra" is the worst song on the album because of this, in my opinion, and besides that, it doesn't do much for me musically, either.

To Whom It May Concern - "Man is love." - Man is not love; God is. "Man is animal" - Guess I think of us as "human" not "animal". "No Hell to burn" - unfortunately, there is a hell and it is burning, whether we acknowledge it or not.

Yup.

I said it elsewhere and I'll say it again.

Journey doing God talk = Fail.

I welcome the criticism that is being leveled here. When ever you mix religion and politics with your music, you're going to get hammered whether it's deserved or not. All musicians should already know that from music 101.

While not being a religious person myself, I think if you're going to introduce that element into your music, you had better damn sure cover all your bases.

And to think, a year ago I was actually joking about them becoming a Christian Rock Group with the introduction of more pious fans over the last three years and the band's new motto of clean living. :lol:

by **VirgilTheart** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:48 am

You think you show more maturity chopping one down in order to build AP up?!?! Sorry ...you drew first!!

How in the world am I chopping down Steve Perry to build up Arnel? I gave credit where credit is due to Steve Perry, and stated that I personally preferred Arnel. Nothing immature about that. :wink:

And if you mean to say that saying Perry wasn't the God of Journey is chopping him down, I'm sorry MG but I'm not chopping him down. I'm just being honest. :wink:

Excuse me but Steve Perry TOTALLY COPPED Sam Cooke's style. Listen to Sam's "Nothing Can Ever Change this Love" and then listen to "Lovin Touchin Squeezin". Steve COMPLETELY ripped off the style and phrasing (not to mention some of the lyrics) from Sam. Steve Perry was a vocal god, but he wore his influences on his sleeve and he always admitted that fact. "The Girl Can't Help It"- Hardly an original title- just ask Little Richard. Same with "Ask the Lonely" more like "Ask the Four Tops". Not to take anything away from Perry. The guy was an amazing singer. But the person who sent this to you doesn't know what they're talking about.

The fact that this person feels so threatened by Arnel is so ridiculous, yet indicative of a lot of Perry fans, mostly the female ones. It's also typical that they'd complain about the new album without listening to it.

Three guesses who sent that to you ...

Exactamundo.

And I'm not even gonna bother guessing who posted that. :lol:

If they want to reveal themselves here, I'm perfectly fine with that.

by **Journey/Survivor** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:48 am

Holy shit. :shock:

You mean none of you have heard the hidden track at the end of the disc??? :shock:

by **Eric** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:49 am

Don wrote:I said elsewhere and I'll say it again.

Journey doing God talk = Fail.

I welcome the criticism that is being leveled here. When ever you mix religion and politics with your music, you're going to get hammered whether it's deserved or not. All musicians should already know that from music 101.

While not being a religious person myself, I think if you're going to introduce that element into your music, you had better damn sure cover all your bases.

And to think, a year ago I was actually joking about them becoming a Christian Rock Group with the introduction of more pious fans over the last three years and the band's new motto of clean living.

I feel that there is a BIG difference between "Religion" and "Faith". And the latter is what I get from Journey...and its nothing new in their music. "Higher Place", "Faith in the Heartland"..yada yada yada. I don't attend church, but having Faith - IN SOMETHING - is important.

And in doses its not nearly as polarizing as politics.

by **SF-Dano** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:52 am

Just picked up Ecliplse on my lunch hour. No special advertising, no kiosk, no nothing really. Just about 10cds in the New Release section.

Packaging sucks as others have said (though I have seen a few of my other recent music cd purchases have the same cheap slide in card board cover). Will give a simple review soon. Nothing in depth. I have found the more I scrutinize music the less favorable I tend to be toward it. Just spin it a few times and see how it hits me. Simple as that.

Website · by **steveo777** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:52 am

Journey/Survivor wrote:Holy shit. You mean none of you have heard the hidden track at the end of the disc???

After Neal's instrumental, seriously? When does it start?

by **Don** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:53 am

SF-Dano wrote:Just picked up Ecliplse on my lunch hour. No special advertising, no kiosk, no nothing really. Just about 10cds in the New Release section.

Packaging sucks as others have said (though I have seen a few of my other recent music cd purchases have the same cheap slide in card board cover). Will give a simple review soon. Nothing in depth. I have found the more I scrutinize music the less favorable I tend to be toward it. Just spin it a few times and see how it hits me. Simple as that.

Grab a jewel case from the 99¢ store. That little extra expense will be worth it.

by **slucero** » Wed May 25, 2011 6:56 am

brywool wrote:
slucero wrote:
brywool wrote:
VirgilTheart wrote:
brywool wrote:I haven't seen anyone digging "Ritual" yet. Great song...

Originally I didn't care much at all about that song. Now I'm loving it. Not at all my favorite, but certainly a good cut.

-Oh- and it would appear I have an online stalker (or someone here who I haven't seen or just didn't recognize)!

Check out this rant somone posted as a review for Eclipse on Journey's main website in response to my review there.

Hey VirgilThreat!
Monday, May 23, 2011 - 8:11 pm - by tbever84
You just had to start out on Steve Perry, as you CONSTANTLY do at "MR" huh?

Steve Perry is the greatest singer/frontman the band has ever known, and guess what - NEVER HAD TO COPY ANYONE IN ORDER TO SELL.

"I just flat out prefer Perry's voice."

The music Steve Perry created with the band and made famous with his great voice has stood the test of time - over 30 years, 80 millions albums sold.

Robert F. was the first singer and Greg was never really considered the singer or frontman, but none of that matters, b/c they only came to prominence with The "Voice," Steve Perry. And if I may quote a reviewer of one of the band's recent shows earlier this year "The band's greatest glory, Steve Perry."

Be sure to enjoy your Eclipse CD (can't manage to listen myself) b/c the band knows what it has to play when it hits the stage - "The Greatest Hits."

LOVE how this guy set his account to private and didn't even really review the album at all.

Ironically enough, I'm not mad at all. In fact, I'm dying of laughter.

And btw, tbever84, it's spelled 'Theart'. Not 'Threat'.

Excuse me but Steve Perry TOTALLY COPPED Sam Cooke's style. Listen to Sam's "Nothing Can Ever Change this Love" and then listen to "Lovin Touchin Squeezin". Steve COMPLETELY ripped off the style and phrasing (not to mention some of the lyrics) from Sam. Steve Perry was a vocal god, but he wore his influences on his sleeve and he always admitted that fact. "The Girl Can't Help It"- Hardly an original title- just ask Little Richard. Same with "Ask the Lonely" more like "Ask the Four Tops". Not to take anything away from Perry. The guy was an amazing singer. But the person who sent this to you doesn't know what they're talking about.

The fact that this person feels so threatened by Arnel is so ridiculous, yet indicative of a lot of Perry fans, mostly the female ones. It's also typical that they'd complain about the new album without listening to it.

Three guesses who sent that to you ...

I'm pretty sure Perry isn't threatened by Arnel.

Arnie has a long way to go to before he can wear Perry's shoes.. .much less his socks..

Nobody said Perry was threatened by Arnel... the person who wrote to virgil obviously is.

I think that was my point... if Perry isn't threatened why should anyone else be threatened "for Perry"...

MR

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