Where the hell is Journey?

by **jrny84** » Fri May 27, 2011 4:46 am

Don wrote:I'm conceding Billboard's #2 position to Paisley.
Dude has been rock solid at number one on Wal-Mart's mp3 album downloads all week and has maintained a continuous presence in Amazon's top 20 over the last 3 days also.

I think Journey will nick the top ten on BB, but I dont seem them reaching the top 5.

by **Don** » Fri May 27, 2011 5:12 am

jrny84 wrote:
Don wrote:I'm conceding Billboard's #2 position to Paisley.
Dude has been rock solid at number one on Wal-Mart's mp3 album downloads all week and has maintained a continuous presence in Amazon's top 20 over the last 3 days also.

I think Journey will nick the top ten on BB, but I dont seem them reaching the top 5.

I still think a top five, no less than a top ten. Purchases from diehards will guarantee that at least. If they could capture any new customers who have been keeping the greatest hits on the chart over the last year, this thing would do 150k easily.

by **jrny84** » Fri May 27, 2011 5:54 am

Eric wrote:
Monker wrote: The problem is they have gone back and forth on this so many times now that nobody really knows what Journey is doing any longer. With Augeri, they were moving on from Perry. With Soto, they were going in a completely different direction. With Arnel, they were all about emulating the classic sound. Now, still with Arnel, it's really all about guitar and pleasing Neal.

This is definitely a good point. They don't stay on mission. Hell, they almost even lost me when they said they were going back to the legacy sound. Only when I found out the re-records would also include new music did I remain a fan.

Having said that - Eclipse is outstanding and will sell 250k - 500k overall. Similar to what I think Arrival did (350kish?)

I think Arrival is only around 177,000. That number seems low though.

by **Don** » Fri May 27, 2011 6:18 am

jrny84 wrote:
Eric wrote:
Monker wrote: The problem is they have gone back and forth on this so many times now that nobody really knows what Journey is doing any longer. With Augeri, they were moving on from Perry. With Soto, they were going in a completely different direction. With Arnel, they were all about emulating the classic sound. Now, still with Arnel, it's really all about guitar and pleasing Neal.

This is definitely a good point. They don't stay on mission. Hell, they almost even lost me when they said they were going back to the legacy sound. Only when I found out the re-records would also include new music did I remain a fan.

Having said that - Eclipse is outstanding and will sell 250k - 500k overall. Similar to what I think Arrival did (350kish?)

I think Arrival is only around 177,000. That number seems low though.

I'm pretty sure Arrival's last official count (which was years ago) stood at 370,000.

by **Monker** » Fri May 27, 2011 6:23 am

Don wrote:
jrny84 wrote:
Don wrote:I'm conceding Billboard's #2 position to Paisley.
Dude has been rock solid at number one on Wal-Mart's mp3 album downloads all week and has maintained a continuous presence in Amazon's top 20 over the last 3 days also.

I think Journey will nick the top ten on BB, but I dont seem them reaching the top 5.

I still think a top five, no less than a top ten. Purchases from diehards will guarantee that at least. If they could capture any new customers who have been keeping the greatest hits on the chart over the last year, this thing would do 150k easily.

150k in one week is not just a dream...it's a fanboy fantasy.

For that to happen, this CD would have to be a consistent #1 at Wal-mart - BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY PLACE SELLING IT. The fact that I see it move all over the top 5 says to me that it is getting inconsistent sales - at best.

Website · by **steveo777** » Fri May 27, 2011 6:25 am

Monker wrote:
Don wrote:
jrny84 wrote:
Don wrote:I'm conceding Billboard's #2 position to Paisley.
Dude has been rock solid at number one on Wal-Mart's mp3 album downloads all week and has maintained a continuous presence in Amazon's top 20 over the last 3 days also.

I think Journey will nick the top ten on BB, but I dont seem them reaching the top 5.

I still think a top five, no less than a top ten. Purchases from diehards will guarantee that at least. If they could capture any new customers who have been keeping the greatest hits on the chart over the last year, this thing would do 150k easily.

150k in one week is not just a dream...it's a fanboy fantasy.

For that to happen, this CD would have to be a consistent #1 at Wal-mart - BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY PLACE SELLING IT. The fact that I see it move all over the top 5 says to me that it is getting inconsistent sales - at best.

Amazon is selling both hard copies and digital downloads. Pay attention! :wink:

There are gonna be some surprised people around here soon.

by **Monker** » Fri May 27, 2011 6:28 am

Don wrote:
jrny84 wrote:It has reclaimed the top spot on walmart's best sellers list and top rated albums chart.

I initially thought the band's position on this chart would be a big measuring stick to how well they would do on Billboard but after seeing Richard Marx nears it top five over the last three weeks and still not having his album sell enough to enter Billboard's top 200, I'm not sure how viable a barometer this is to estimating the album's ultimate debut position on Billboard.

Is Marx a Wal-mart exclusive? If so, that is why he can be in the top 10 of Wal-mart's sales, but not on Billboard. Most artists do not have exclusive deals at ONE retail outlet. I do not go to Wal-Mart to buy CD's...if anything, I'd go to Best Buy.

If anything, amazon's digital downloads is more accurate...and last I looked, Eclipse is well out of the top 10.

by **Behshad** » Fri May 27, 2011 6:35 am

steveo777 wrote:
Monker wrote:
Don wrote:
jrny84 wrote:
Don wrote:I'm conceding Billboard's #2 position to Paisley.
Dude has been rock solid at number one on Wal-Mart's mp3 album downloads all week and has maintained a continuous presence in Amazon's top 20 over the last 3 days also.

I think Journey will nick the top ten on BB, but I dont seem them reaching the top 5.

I still think a top five, no less than a top ten. Purchases from diehards will guarantee that at least. If they could capture any new customers who have been keeping the greatest hits on the chart over the last year, this thing would do 150k easily.

150k in one week is not just a dream...it's a fanboy fantasy.

For that to happen, this CD would have to be a consistent #1 at Wal-mart - BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY PLACE SELLING IT. The fact that I see it move all over the top 5 says to me that it is getting inconsistent sales - at best.

Amazon is selling both hard copies and digital downloads. Pay attention!
There are gonna be some surprised people around here soon.

YOU need to pay attention. If youre gonna count the $25 CDs on amazon as HARD COPIES, then why not count the sales over eBay and craigslist too :lol:

by **Saint John** » Fri May 27, 2011 6:36 am

Monker wrote: last I looked, Eclipse is well out of the top 10.

#27, which isn't bad for (almost) being a Walmart exclusive.

by **Majestic** » Fri May 27, 2011 6:59 am

Saint John wrote:
Monker wrote: last I looked, Eclipse is well out of the top 10.

#27, which isn't bad for (almost) being a Walmart exclusive.

Considering that most of those were bought by Dokken's number one fan, it's not that good either.

What Journey needs is more Dokken fans in this world. Am I right, RIP?

by **Behshad** » Fri May 27, 2011 7:17 am

Majestic wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Monker wrote: last I looked, Eclipse is well out of the top 10.

#27, which isn't bad for (almost) being a Walmart exclusive.

Considering that most of those were bought buy Dokken's number one fan, it's not that good either. What Journey needs is more Dokken fans in this world. Am I right, RIP?

You think more Dokken fans will lead into more Journey album sales ? :lol:

Its not Rips Dokkenism that leads into buying 4 dozens of Journey CD's,,,its his mancrush for AP

by **Majestic** » Fri May 27, 2011 7:19 am

Behshad wrote:
Majestic wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Monker wrote: last I looked, Eclipse is well out of the top 10.

#27, which isn't bad for (almost) being a Walmart exclusive.

Considering that most of those were bought buy Dokken's number one fan, it's not that good either. What Journey needs is more Dokken fans in this world. Am I right, RIP?

You think more Dokken fans will lead into more Journey album sales ?

Its not Rips Dokkenism that leads into buying 4 dozens of Journey CD's,,,its his mancrush for AP

Ok, I stand corrected. What Journey needs is more men hot for Arnel!

Website · by **steveo777** » Fri May 27, 2011 7:36 am

Majestic wrote:
Behshad wrote:
Majestic wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Monker wrote: last I looked, Eclipse is well out of the top 10.

#27, which isn't bad for (almost) being a Walmart exclusive.

Considering that most of those were bought buy Dokken's number one fan, it's not that good either. What Journey needs is more Dokken fans in this world. Am I right, RIP?

You think more Dokken fans will lead into more Journey album sales ?

Its not Rips Dokkenism that leads into buying 4 dozens of Journey CD's,,,its his mancrush for AP

Ok, I stand corrected. What Journey needs is more men hot for Arnel!

This is where I get off the bus, pal. :roll:

by **Majestic** » Fri May 27, 2011 7:39 am

steveo777 wrote:
Majestic wrote:
Behshad wrote:
Majestic wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Monker wrote: last I looked, Eclipse is well out of the top 10.

#27, which isn't bad for (almost) being a Walmart exclusive.

Considering that most of those were bought buy Dokken's number one fan, it's not that good either. What Journey needs is more Dokken fans in this world. Am I right, RIP?

You think more Dokken fans will lead into more Journey album sales ?

Its not Rips Dokkenism that leads into buying 4 dozens of Journey CD's,,,its his mancrush for AP

Ok, I stand corrected. What Journey needs is more men hot for Arnel!

This is where I get off the bus, pal.

You'll sit down and buckle up, mister! We said MORE men, not less!

by **Behshad** » Fri May 27, 2011 8:16 am

Majestic wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Majestic wrote:
Behshad wrote:
Majestic wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Monker wrote: last I looked, Eclipse is well out of the top 10.

#27, which isn't bad for (almost) being a Walmart exclusive.

Considering that most of those were bought buy Dokken's number one fan, it's not that good either. What Journey needs is more Dokken fans in this world. Am I right, RIP?

You think more Dokken fans will lead into more Journey album sales ?

Its not Rips Dokkenism that leads into buying 4 dozens of Journey CD's,,,its his mancrush for AP

Ok, I stand corrected. What Journey needs is more men hot for Arnel!

This is where I get off the bus, pal.

You'll sit down and buckle up, mister! We said MORE men, not less!

Exactly why (s)he is getting off the bus

by **RedWingFan** » Fri May 27, 2011 9:28 am

Don wrote:
jrny84 wrote:
Don wrote:I'm conceding Billboard's #2 position to Paisley.
Dude has been rock solid at number one on Wal-Mart's mp3 album downloads all week and has maintained a continuous presence in Amazon's top 20 over the last 3 days also.

I think Journey will nick the top ten on BB, but I dont seem them reaching the top 5.

I still think a top five, no less than a top ten. Purchases from diehards will guarantee that at least.

Don't forget to count my -1. First Journey cd I won't be buying. (from a retailer, garage sale season is next month. pickin it up then)

Website · by **steveo777** » Fri May 27, 2011 1:02 pm

Amazon Japan

by **jrny84** » Fri May 27, 2011 1:26 pm

steveo777 wrote:Amazon Japan

#9 in Japan? Pretty cool.

by **Argus** » Fri May 27, 2011 3:05 pm

Universal Music now has the last four million selling debuts as Lady Gaga joins Taylor Swift, Lil Wayne and 50 Cent in a very rare category these days. Here's how it looks headed into the weekend:

*Lady Gaga (Interscope) 1m+
*Brad Paisley (Arista Nashville) 145-155k
Adele (XL/Columbia) 125-135k
*Glee Cast Vol. 6 (Columbia) 75-80k
Now 38 (Capitol/EMI) 45-50k
*Maybach Music Group Presents: Self Made, Vol. 1 (Maybach/WB) 45-50k
*NKOTBSB (Columbia/Jive/Legacy) 35-40k
*Journey (Nomota) 25-30k (Wal-Mart exclusive)
*Foster The People (Startime/Columbia) 25-30k
Mumford & Sons (Glassnote) 24-27k
Seether (Wind-up) 21-24k
Beastie Boys (Capitol/EMI) 18-21k
Lady Gaga The Fame (Interscope) 18-21k
Lemonade Mouth (Walt Disney) 18-21k
Fleet Foxes (Sub Pop) 18-21k

*Debuts (5/26p)

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

by **Gideon** » Fri May 27, 2011 3:10 pm

Argus wrote:Universal Music now has the last four million selling debuts as Lady Gaga joins Taylor Swift, Lil Wayne and 50 Cent in a very rare category these days. Here's how it looks headed into the weekend:

*Lady Gaga (Interscope) 1m+
*Brad Paisley (Arista Nashville) 145-155k
Adele (XL/Columbia) 125-135k
*Glee Cast Vol. 6 (Columbia) 75-80k
Now 38 (Capitol/EMI) 45-50k
*Maybach Music Group Presents: Self Made, Vol. 1 (Maybach/WB) 45-50k
*NKOTBSB (Columbia/Jive/Legacy) 35-40k
*Journey (Nomota) 25-30k (Wal-Mart exclusive)
*Foster The People (Startime/Columbia) 25-30k
Mumford & Sons (Glassnote) 24-27k
Seether (Wind-up) 21-24k
Beastie Boys (Capitol/EMI) 18-21k
Lady Gaga The Fame (Interscope) 18-21k
Lemonade Mouth (Walt Disney) 18-21k
Fleet Foxes (Sub Pop) 18-21k

*Debuts (5/26p)

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

That's God awful, but I feel nothing but contempt for the band atm: This is what happens when you market yourself so horribly.

Website · by **steveo777** » Fri May 27, 2011 3:18 pm

Gideon wrote:
Argus wrote:Universal Music now has the last four million selling debuts as Lady Gaga joins Taylor Swift, Lil Wayne and 50 Cent in a very rare category these days. Here's how it looks headed into the weekend:

*Lady Gaga (Interscope) 1m+
*Brad Paisley (Arista Nashville) 145-155k
Adele (XL/Columbia) 125-135k
*Glee Cast Vol. 6 (Columbia) 75-80k
Now 38 (Capitol/EMI) 45-50k
*Maybach Music Group Presents: Self Made, Vol. 1 (Maybach/WB) 45-50k
*NKOTBSB (Columbia/Jive/Legacy) 35-40k
*Journey (Nomota) 25-30k (Wal-Mart exclusive)
*Foster The People (Startime/Columbia) 25-30k
Mumford & Sons (Glassnote) 24-27k
Seether (Wind-up) 21-24k
Beastie Boys (Capitol/EMI) 18-21k
Lady Gaga The Fame (Interscope) 18-21k
Lemonade Mouth (Walt Disney) 18-21k
Fleet Foxes (Sub Pop) 18-21k

*Debuts (5/26p)

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

That's God awful, but I feel nothing but contempt for the band atm: This is what happens when you market yourself so horribly.

Really! Who was sleeping at the wheel and is anyone in that camp paying a brain cell of attention? They could fix this.
Maybe they are testing things and possibly going to fix a few things on the album, then do a proper promo?
I'm dumbfounded and I hope they read the feedback. This could have been a beautiful thing.

by **Don** » Fri May 27, 2011 3:30 pm

The only consolation will be that they will chart decently in the UK and Japan but even with all those sales combined, they will still have less than what Revelation debuted with, just in the states alone (Rev had a legit 105k on debut, no double count).

AND STILL NO AMAZON LINK ON THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE.

On the notion that these numbers are even close to accurate, I think that double album idea can be put to rest.

Shit, S2M didn't even see this coming. I feel like an idiot, personally.

by **Gideon** » Fri May 27, 2011 3:35 pm

I don't.
I wanted Eclipse to sell so it would continue to give the band incentive to put out new albums. It doesn't change the quality of the release, it just makes it less likely for the band to put out new material.
I don't know if the band has an actual say in the marketing, but it seems like Neal and co. could have really made some noise about it if he wanted to.
Absolutely incompetent and utterly inexcusable. Great going, guys. You had a great album you could have pimped, but you fumbled the ball again.

by **Don** » Fri May 27, 2011 3:35 pm

Is this where we say, as far as retail is concerned Steve Perry Is Journey?

I am still ticked about that interview the other day when they ask Neal where to get the album, will it be on iTunes, etc. and Neal just keeps bleating on about Wal-Mart.

by **Gideon** » Fri May 27, 2011 3:36 pm

Don wrote:Is this where we say, as far as retail is concerned Steve Perry Is Journey?

When the sales of Street Talk or FTLOSM equal those of Journey's Greatest Hits or Escape, yes. 'Til then, no.

by **Don** » Fri May 27, 2011 3:40 pm

Looks like Arrival will not be eclipsed by this album anytime soon, as far as sales go.

by **Michigan Girl** » Fri May 27, 2011 3:42 pm

oh damn, my review was waay too good...i should've checked here first!!

by **Don** » Fri May 27, 2011 3:43 pm

Michigan Girl wrote:oh damn, my review was waay too good...i should've checked here first!!

JINX!

Website · by **steveo777** » Fri May 27, 2011 3:45 pm

Don wrote:Looks like Arrival will not be eclipsed by this album anytime soon, as far as sales go.

This is just sad. Better band now (more inspired and energized) and a great singer. Fuck, Azoff, you could have
done better. What kind of manager are you? Maybe he's decided it's time to kill this thing off...or, Neal grew a
big head and this is a way to put him in check and say, next time we do it my way. ?????

by **Don** » Fri May 27, 2011 3:46 pm

Well, there is still the weekend to go. Someone send out the bat signal to Rip and company!

MR

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