Why Journey needs Perry

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yes, I don't get that either - why one has to be accused of being a troll just because I'm not in favour of the current line-up? It's as if discussion that isn't 100% complimentary towards Eclipse is frowned upon. Very strange.

Riiiight. Just like the Perryloons that used to infest this place, when called on your bomb-dropping, you are quick to pretend that your motives are sincere. But it's all bullshit and you know it.

[S2M]

I'm still not getting the concept of not being able to speak one's mind when it comes to saying things that aren't positive about this release....there are numerous threads that cover the positive side of this record, and most people have spoken their peace, in a positive way, A LOT more than once or twice....but as soon as someone doesn't like something they are accused of some sort of an agenda, and thought of as a troll.

I guess the whole lot of you are basically saying, We get it! You don't like Eclipse. Now move on.

All I'm saying is can't the same be said to the people who are masterbating nightly to this record? We get it, you adore it. Now move on.

Jrny10 is dropping hyperbolic bombs that are intended to do nothing more than stir shit. ROR not cheesy?!?!?! C'mon now. Everyone here is for debating - if it's legit.

Sorry, TNC...I meant to quote Jana's Move on comment....

But, I will admit that the ROR fillers are cheesy. I think ole G.I. was on keyboards on most of that stuff! LOL


But there ARE classics on that album....even you have to admit that. IBAWY, WCTNGOF, even Suzanne is kinda cool...GCHI,

[The_Noble_Cause]

It's interesting. I don't think about Perry when I see clips of JRNY with JSS. I don't make any vocal comparisons with Perry. JSS has got his own voice, has the stage presence and it just works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELD-d-h_qfs

They still rocked here and don't sound like a tribute band. Arnel has zero stage presence, just jumps around and looks like he just crashed the safety barrier between the front row and the stage. It's just not working. And the yearning for Perry is immense.

Any singer that tackles Journey faces comparisons to Perry. His vocal signature remains that unique. Jeff had his strengths, but for the most part, I hear a guy who can't quite get into that stratospheric upper vocal zone that the songs demand.

[jrny10]

Jrny10 is dropping hyperbolic bombs that are intended to do nothing more than stir shit. ROR not cheesy?!?!?! C'mon now. Everyone here is for debating - if it's legit.

I'm not here to stir shit. I'm offering my views on the latest release as a passionate JRNY fan. I'm sorry that we cannot all agree in loving it. Furthermore, are you basically saying above that one *must* find ROR cheesy? That another opinion is not legit?

Makes sense.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Sorry, TNC...I meant to quote Jana's Move on comment....

Ah, that makes more sense then. I'm all in favor of carping on this band. Have at it. And yea, ROR has a few gems.

[ebake02]

They were never cheesy to me. Listen to ROR. Pure heart, pure soul.

and pure cheesy pop, ROR is my least favorite album, Be Good To Yourself is the only track off that dog shit album that can be considered rock. That's what happens when you let a talented singer with a huge ego take over the reins.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'm not here to stir shit. I'm offering my views on the latest release as a passionate JRNY fan. I'm sorry that we cannot all agree in loving it. Furthermore, are you basically saying above that one *must* find ROR cheesy? That another opinion is not legit?

Makes sense.

If Tantra evokes visions of Pumbaa and Simba, then I'd love to know what goes through your head listening to "Happy to Give" or "The Eyes of a Woman." Easily, the gayest Journey tunes known to man. The band has never rocked less than on ROR and has never rocked harder than on Eclipse. Your views are all over the place.

[Jana]

I'm still not getting the concept of not being able to speak one's mind when it comes to saying things that aren't positive about this release....there are numerous threads that cover the positive side of this record, and most people have spoken their peace, in a positive way, A LOT more than once or twice....but as soon as someone doesn't like something they are accused of some sort of an agenda, and thought of as a troll.

I guess the whole lot of you are basically saying, We get it! You don't like Eclipse. Now move on.

All I'm saying is can't the same be said to the people who are masterbating nightly to this record? We get it, you adore it. Now move on.

Jrny10 is dropping hyperbolic bombs that are intended to do nothing more than stir shit. ROR not cheesy?!?!?! C'mon now. Everyone here is for debating - if it's legit.

Bingo. Plenty of good debate on here about the album. It was never expected that all would like it.

[jrny10]

Riiiight. Just like the Perryloons that used to infest this place,

I don't accuse you of being an Arnelloon just because I don't share your opinion.

when called on your bomb-dropping, you are quick to pretend that your motives are sincere. But it's all bullshit and you know it.

Called? Pretend? Motives? What are you on about?

You're talking as if I'm part of some kind of bigger agenda just because I don't like the new album. Very strange. I'm offering my views on it, and you obviously have a problem accepting them. But this is a discussion forum, where I thought one was supposed to discuss things? "Move on" can be applied to a lot of views, but then there wouldn't be a lot of discussion, would there?

[sniper16]

I've been listening to Eclipse over and over for the last couple of weeks, and have already retired the album. My initial opinion was "Wow, I LOVE this". Really what I loved was hearing new Cain and Schon music. I'm hung up on the vocals, and it's not Arnel's fault. He gave it a valiant and admirable effort, but he's just no Perry.

Go back and listen to "Separate Ways", "Ask The Lonely", "Stone In Love", and pretty much any of the songs with the stacked, layered vocals. Perry had a technique to stacking those vocals effortlessly and you don't hear anything even similar to that in the post-Perry songs (minus "Remember Me"). It's the missing ingredient to this band, and you'd think the band would try to create those huge, endless layers of vocals that used to be such a big part of their amazing sound... but they don't. They layer a few vocals here and there, but it's just not the same. Hell, several times in Eclipse, the backing vocals don't even end at the same time as the lead vocal, and it sounds sloppy as hell!

Of course Perry sounds nothing like he used to anymore, but I'd take another Perry album with the band over 10 more Arnel albums. Just saying.

those layer of vocals were recorded when bands would spend a million dollars in the studio, in this time , i bet budgets are about 100,000

[Jana]

I'm still not getting the concept of not being able to speak one's mind when it comes to saying things that aren't positive about this release....there are numerous threads that cover the positive side of this record, and most people have spoken their peace, in a positive way, A LOT more than once or twice....but as soon as someone doesn't like something they are accused of some sort of an agenda, and thought of as a troll.

I guess the whole lot of you are basically saying, We get it! You don't like Eclipse. Now move on.

All I'm saying is can't the same be said to the people who are masterbating nightly to this record? We get it, you adore it. Now move on.

Jrny10 is dropping hyperbolic bombs that are intended to do nothing more than stir shit. ROR not cheesy?!?!?! C'mon now. Everyone here is for debating - if it's legit.

Sorry, TNC...I meant to quote Jana's Move on comment....

But, I will admit that the ROR fillers are cheesy. I think ole G.I. was on keyboards on most of that stuff! LOL


But there ARE classics on that album....even you have to admit that. IBAWY, WCTNGOF, even Suzanne is kinda cool...GCHI,

I mean move on from listening to the album if he said he hates it but is forcing himself now to listen to a few songs at a time until he's bored. Move on from listening to the album if it's that painful. That doesn't mean I'm saying you can't debate what you don't like aobut it. He has stated plenty and many on here do and he can. But poor baby, he's forcing himself to keep listening to the album when he's said he doesn't like it.. That would be like you forcing yourself to keep listening to RATKOS.

WCTNGOF one of the best songs of Journey. Stunning vocals by Steve.
Suzanne, I actually love the song, but not the intro. I like Jeremey's intro better to it, more updated.

[Ritchie]

They were never cheesy to me. Listen to ROR. Pure heart, pure soul.

and pure cheesy pop, ROR is my least favorite album, Be Good To Yourself is the only track off that dog shit album that can be considered rock. That's what happens when you let a talented singer with a huge ego take over the reins.

Yeah,they should rename that album and call it "Raised On Cheese"

[The_Noble_Cause]

Riiiight. Just like the Perryloons that used to infest this place,

I don't accuse you of being an Arnelloon just because I don't share your opinion.

Never a huge Arnel fan. Try again. And I didn't accuse u of being a Perryhead. Given your track record, it seems you are a disgruntled JSS fan. Wich is funny, because Jeff would rather leave this period in his career behind him.

[Gideon]

I'm not sure what the deal is. TNC's not forcing Arnel or Eclipse down anyone's throat. If you don't like it, fine, but what he's saying is that people should stop pretending Journey happened to pick up some sort of 'cheese factor' after Perry left. The reality is that even when they were the biggest band in America, there was a prominent faction of critics and naysayers who condemned the band as being cheesy, dated, and pussified. It's nothing new.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Called? Pretend? Motives? What are you on about?

You're talking as if I'm part of some kind of bigger agenda just because I don't like the new album. Very strange. I'm offering my views on it, and you obviously have a problem accepting them. But this is a discussion forum, where I thought one was supposed to discuss things? "Move on" can be applied to a lot of views, but then there wouldn't be a lot of discussion, would there?

You listened to four tracks off the album and condemned one for being too cheesy, while in the same breath praising a past album that featured keytar solos and Randy Jackson in polka dots. Your motives are questionable and your posts are shit.

[jrny10]

Your motives are questionable and your posts are shit.

Right.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Your motives are questionable and your posts are shit.

Right.

Yup.

[Archetype]

They are just as capable of doing those layered vocals with Arnel if they wanted to. They just chose not to. Arnel is a fantastic singer.

[Behshad]

Journey doesnt need Perry, but Journey isnt Journey anymore.
Its funny how Jana says that if they wouldve kept JSS,she wouldve moved on cause he didnt fit the band and its sound , without realizing that the NEW Journey she is loving so much isnt the Journey sound she claims Soto wouldnt fit in! Arnel is a great singer but not the right voice for this songs. Its like if he was singing WET songs.
The album is an average one, with some great guitars here and there, nothing spectacular. Not the masterpiece Andrew&Kids claim it to be.

Jana, tell me how much you would get into Journey's new sound & music , if Eclipse was the exact same album it is now, but with Perry on vocals and some unknown guitar player found on youtube on the guitars instead of Neal ?

[Jana]

Journey doesnt need Perry, but Journey isnt Journey anymore.
Its funny how Jana says that if they wouldve kept JSS,she wouldve moved on cause he didnt fit the band and its sound , without realizing that the NEW Journey she is loving so much isnt the Journey sound she claims Soto wouldnt fit in! Arnel is a great singer but not the right voice for this songs. Its like if he was singing WET songs.
The album is an average one, with some great guitars here and there, nothing spectacular. Not the masterpiece Andrew&Kids claim it to be.

Jana, tell me how much you would get into Journey's new sound & music , if Eclipse was the exact same album it is now, but with Perry on vocals and some unknown guitar player found on youtube on the guitars instead of Neal ?

JSS voice is powerful but is too deep for Journey and his vocal tone is not my favorite. Just my preference.. He shines on what he does, but I loved Journey for its tenor vocals. While Arnel is no Steve Perry, I do enjoy his tenor vocals and I think they shine on here. It's all what works for people. Many on here don't like Arnel's vocals on this album, disappointed, and others like Carlitto raved about his vocals. It's just what grabs you. You think Arnel doesn't fit this music. I think Arnel's vocals soar on this album.

Re your question, If this album being different and then didn't have the tenor vocals (had JSS as in your question), then it wouldn't be remiscent of Journey to me. I do hear Journey in this album and I want tenor vocals in my Journey music.


I can't answer your last question because with Perry on it and Neal off, it couldn't be the exact same album.

[Behshad]

Journey doesnt need Perry, but Journey isnt Journey anymore.
Its funny how Jana says that if they wouldve kept JSS,she wouldve moved on cause he didnt fit the band and its sound , without realizing that the NEW Journey she is loving so much isnt the Journey sound she claims Soto wouldnt fit in! Arnel is a great singer but not the right voice for this songs. Its like if he was singing WET songs.
The album is an average one, with some great guitars here and there, nothing spectacular. Not the masterpiece Andrew&Kids claim it to be.

Jana, tell me how much you would get into Journey's new sound & music , if Eclipse was the exact same album it is now, but with Perry on vocals and some unknown guitar player found on youtube on the guitars instead of Neal ?

JSS voice is powerful but is too deep for Journey and his vocal tone is not my favorite. Just my preference.. He shines on what he does, but I loved Journey for its tenor vocals. While Arnel is no Steve Perry, I do enjoy his tenor vocals and I think they shine on here. It's all what works for people. Many on here don't like Arnel's vocals on this album, disappointed, and others like Carlitto raved about his vocals. It's just what grabs you.
Re your question, If this album being different and then didn't have the tenor vocals (had JSS as in your question), then it wouldn't be remiscent of Journey to me. I do hear Journey in this album and I want tenor vocals in my Journey music.


I can't answer your last question because with Perry on it and Neal off, it couldn't be the exact same album.

OK The same lyrics, the same guitars etc, but no Neal and Perry on guitar

And no matter what you think , Soto's voice would fit these songs A LOT more than Arnel's. You may hear Journey in this album, but you dont hear the classic Journey. And with Soto , you would still hear Journey, just not the classic sound.

[steveo777]

Wasn't there more trolling going on when Revelation was released?
This is just a handful of negative wizards here compared to the buckets of haters before.

[Behshad]

Wasn't there more trolling going on when Revelation was released?
This is just a handful of negative wizards here compared to the buckets of haters before.

How do you qualify people's opinions about an album as negative wizards and trolling?
Just because Tantra tickles your clit while youre in the tub with a glass of wine, doesnt mean everyone else should enjoy this album as much as you do.

[Jana]

Journey doesnt need Perry, but Journey isnt Journey anymore.
Its funny how Jana says that if they wouldve kept JSS,she wouldve moved on cause he didnt fit the band and its sound , without realizing that the NEW Journey she is loving so much isnt the Journey sound she claims Soto wouldnt fit in! Arnel is a great singer but not the right voice for this songs. Its like if he was singing WET songs.
The album is an average one, with some great guitars here and there, nothing spectacular. Not the masterpiece Andrew&Kids claim it to be.

Jana, tell me how much you would get into Journey's new sound & music , if Eclipse was the exact same album it is now, but with Perry on vocals and some unknown guitar player found on youtube on the guitars instead of Neal ?

JSS voice is powerful but is too deep for Journey and his vocal tone is not my favorite. Just my preference.. He shines on what he does, but I loved Journey for its tenor vocals. While Arnel is no Steve Perry, I do enjoy his tenor vocals and I think they shine on here. It's all what works for people. Many on here don't like Arnel's vocals on this album, disappointed, and others like Carlitto raved about his vocals. It's just what grabs you.
Re your question, If this album being different and then didn't have the tenor vocals (had JSS as in your question), then it wouldn't be remiscent of Journey to me. I do hear Journey in this album and I want tenor vocals in my Journey music.


I can't answer your last question because with Perry on it and Neal off, it couldn't be the exact same album.

OK The same lyrics, the same guitars etc, but no Neal and Perry on guitar

And no matter what you think , Soto's voice would fit these songs A LOT more than Arnel's. You may hear Journey in this album, but you dont hear the classic Journey. And with Soto , you would still hear Journey, just not the classic sound.

No matter what I think? LOL It's all opinion or preference I'm not trying to change your mind. You prefer Jeff. That's fine. I prefer Arnel's vocals on this music because I like his voice better.

[steveo777]

Wasn't there more trolling going on when Revelation was released?
This is just a handful of negative wizards here compared to the buckets of haters before.

How do you qualify people's opinions about an album as negative wizards and trolling?
Just because Tantra tickles your clit while youre in the tub with a glass of wine, doesnt mean everyone else should enjoy this album as much as you do.

Because the biggest offenders are stating more than their opinion about the album. They could have just said they didn't like it and moved on.
Instead they make it a job to post undermines repeatedly. C'mon, you're are not stupid enough not to see this. There is an agenda.

[Behshad]

Journey doesnt need Perry, but Journey isnt Journey anymore.
Its funny how Jana says that if they wouldve kept JSS,she wouldve moved on cause he didnt fit the band and its sound , without realizing that the NEW Journey she is loving so much isnt the Journey sound she claims Soto wouldnt fit in! Arnel is a great singer but not the right voice for this songs. Its like if he was singing WET songs.
The album is an average one, with some great guitars here and there, nothing spectacular. Not the masterpiece Andrew&Kids claim it to be.

Jana, tell me how much you would get into Journey's new sound & music , if Eclipse was the exact same album it is now, but with Perry on vocals and some unknown guitar player found on youtube on the guitars instead of Neal ?

JSS voice is powerful but is too deep for Journey and his vocal tone is not my favorite. Just my preference.. He shines on what he does, but I loved Journey for its tenor vocals. While Arnel is no Steve Perry, I do enjoy his tenor vocals and I think they shine on here. It's all what works for people. Many on here don't like Arnel's vocals on this album, disappointed, and others like Carlitto raved about his vocals. It's just what grabs you.
Re your question, If this album being different and then didn't have the tenor vocals (had JSS as in your question), then it wouldn't be remiscent of Journey to me. I do hear Journey in this album and I want tenor vocals in my Journey music.


I can't answer your last question because with Perry on it and Neal off, it couldn't be the exact same album.

OK The same lyrics, the same guitars etc, but no Neal and Perry on guitar

And no matter what you think , Soto's voice would fit these songs A LOT more than Arnel's. You may hear Journey in this album, but you dont hear the classic Journey. And with Soto , you would still hear Journey, just not the classic sound.

No matter what I think? LOL It's all opinion or preference I'm not trying to change your mind. You prefer Jeff. That's fine. I prefer Arnel's vocals on this music because I like his voice better.

Opinion/prefrence is different than reality. Its a fact that Journey would sound as much like Journey with Soto as with Arnel. That said, I am not dissing Arnel's voice. His voice is perfect for Journey, THE CLASSIC JOURNEY that is. The new Journey sound doesnt fit well with his voice. Fact

[Jana]

"Fact." LOL Alrighty then.

[Behshad]

Wasn't there more trolling going on when Revelation was released?
This is just a handful of negative wizards here compared to the buckets of haters before.

How do you qualify people's opinions about an album as negative wizards and trolling?
Just because Tantra tickles your clit while youre in the tub with a glass of wine, doesnt mean everyone else should enjoy this album as much as you do.

Because the biggest offenders are stating more than their opinion about the album. They could have just said they didn't like it and moved on.
Instead they make it a job to post undermines repeatedly. C'mon, you're are not stupid enough not to see this. There is an agenda.

What I see here is Journey fans debating about a new album. Very normal for some to love it and some not so much. If you expected that everyone but trolls would love it, then youre more stupid than I tell people

[steveo777]

Wasn't there more trolling going on when Revelation was released?
This is just a handful of negative wizards here compared to the buckets of haters before.

How do you qualify people's opinions about an album as negative wizards and trolling?
Just because Tantra tickles your clit while youre in the tub with a glass of wine, doesnt mean everyone else should enjoy this album as much as you do.

Because the biggest offenders are stating more than their opinion about the album. They could have just said they didn't like it and moved on.
Instead they make it a job to post undermines repeatedly. C'mon, you're are not stupid enough not to see this. There is an agenda.

What I see here is Journey fans debating about a new album. Very normal for some to love it and some not so much. If you expected that everyone but trolls would love it, then youre more stupid than I tell people ;)

So that's how you spend your time? Get a life. That probably effects your income too...all that time spent telling people how stupid I am.
You're a bigger dork than I thought.

[Behshad]

Wasn't there more trolling going on when Revelation was released?
This is just a handful of negative wizards here compared to the buckets of haters before.

How do you qualify people's opinions about an album as negative wizards and trolling?
Just because Tantra tickles your clit while youre in the tub with a glass of wine, doesnt mean everyone else should enjoy this album as much as you do.

Because the biggest offenders are stating more than their opinion about the album. They could have just said they didn't like it and moved on.
Instead they make it a job to post undermines repeatedly. C'mon, you're are not stupid enough not to see this. There is an agenda.

What I see here is Journey fans debating about a new album. Very normal for some to love it and some not so much. If you expected that everyone but trolls would love it, then youre more stupid than I tell people ;)

So that's how you spend your time? Get a life. That probably effects your income too...all that time spent telling people how stupid I am.
You're a bigger dork than I thought.

Go take a bath !