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Majestic wrote:I'm not so sure, Don. Afterall, the retreads on Revelation were not very good. In fact, I think they were dreadful, for the most part, and not because of Arnel. Besides, why, if it were the legacy sound and hits you were after, would one not simply pick up the remastered Greatest Hits? It doesn't add up, to me.
steveo777 wrote:Don,What you posted smacks of truth as much as many of us want it to be different. IMO, this is no
reflection on the quality of their work at this point. I believe that if Journey were to release Escape
for the first time in this day and age it would fare no better, probably worse, because they would
be a relative unknown. But, they would also be with a major label like Sony who would promote
the shit out of them.
Gideon wrote:B, you and Steve are cracking me up. You two are exactly the same creature, with a different fixation.![]()
Behshad wrote:Just like you and JasonD are the exact same creature with the exact same fixation !
Beshad wrote:I'm not a perry fan. I think Arnel and Perry are great singers if you like cheesy girlie songs.
Rockier songa need more masculine voice. There's female singers out there that could sing Eclipse song better.
Gideon wrote:Behshad wrote:Just like you and JasonD are the exact same creature with the exact same fixation !
I didn't realize Jason was fixated with my dick.Beshad wrote:I'm not a perry fan. I think Arnel and Perry are great singers if you like cheesy girlie songs.
Rockier songa need more masculine voice. There's female singers out there that could sing Eclipse song better.
Right, but you're a JSS fan. If Steve was going around saying the same thing about JSS/WET that you are about Journey and Eclipse, you'd probably explode with indignation.
Don wrote:People don't want a new Journey, nor a new U2, Bon Jovi, Leppard and so on. Bon Jovi and U2 were the top touring acts of the last year but those ticket sales didn't equate to album purchases. Both of their releases barely made Platinum while concert receipts were over 150 million. Roger Waters is touring a show based soley around a 30 year old album and still selling out world wide.
If you are an old artist, the fans want what you created when you (and they) weren't old. They have no care for what you can do while you're in your twilight years.
The majority of Fans go to these concerts to remember their youth, not to listen to new music from old people.
Don wrote:People don't want a new Journey, nor a new U2, Bon Jovi, Leppard and so on. Bon Jovi and U2 were the top touring acts of the last year but those ticket sales didn't equate to album purchases. Both of their releases barely made Platinum while concert receipts were over 150 million. Roger Waters is touring a show based soley around a 30 year old album and still selling out world wide.
If you are an old artist, the fans want what you created when you (and they) weren't old. They have no care for what you can do while you're in your twilight years.
The majority of Fans go to these concerts to remember their youth, not to listen to new music from old people.
It's only people like us that roam around on '80s music message boards all day that want to see something fresh from these bands and we are definitely in the minority.
Don wrote:People don't want a new Journey, nor a new U2, Bon Jovi, Leppard and so on. Bon Jovi and U2 were the top touring acts of the last year but those ticket sales didn't equate to album purchases. Both of their releases barely made Platinum while concert receipts were over 150 million. Roger Waters is touring a show based soley around a 30 year old album and still selling out world wide.
If you are an old artist, the fans want what you created when you (and they) weren't old. They have no care for what you can do while you're in your twilight years.
The majority of Fans go to these concerts to remember their youth, not to listen to new music from old people.
It's only people like us that roam around on '80s music message boards all day that want to see something fresh from these bands and we are definitely in the minority.
Saint John wrote:I guess the ball will be in Journey's court if the first week numbers are poor. They may have to scramble and do some promotion they hadn't planned on doing. But the problem with that is they'll be on the road. Will be interesting to see how the next few weeks play out.
Saint John wrote:I guess the ball will be in Journey's court if the first week numbers are poor. They may have to scramble and do some promotion they hadn't planned on doing. But the problem with that is they'll be on the road. Will be interesting to see how the next few weeks play out.
Rick wrote:Whatever their sales are, they can attribute any shortcomings to (I'd like to say failed marketing, but) no marketing. I just do not get that. Why put so much effort into making such a great sounding CD and then not market it? Herbie would have done wonderful things with this record.
jrny84 wrote:Hey guys I just found some information on Eclipse on an itunes chart website. These are numbers for the top 100 itunes albums in a few different countries. Keep in mind these all ALL albums, not just rock albums.
In Germany it debuted #20 on Itunes Music Albums, currently it is #30
In the UK it debuted #58, currently it is way down to #85
In Italy it debuted #69, currently it is way down to #97
In Norway its sitting at #47
I noticed that every album that was released the same week as Journey's is seen on the US top 100 itunes albums, except Eclipse. It also did not chart in Canada either. Journey's greatest hits is #95 on the US top 100 albums.
There is one strong attribute I noticed about this Eclipse...it seems to have no staying power. After its debut in every country, it drops like a rocket way down the charts. These itunes chart positions maybe a good indicator of how Eclipse is doing on each countries official music charts.
pf1965 wrote:I wonder if the tour will help sales seeing that is probably going to be the only promotion this disc will receive outside of this site or the bands official site!
Don wrote:Majestic wrote:I'm not so sure, Don. Afterall, the retreads on Revelation were not very good. In fact, I think they were dreadful, for the most part, and not because of Arnel. Besides, why, if it were the legacy sound and hits you were after, would one not simply pick up the remastered Greatest Hits? It doesn't add up, to me.
People buy stuff on impulse. As a casual music fan, you can't actually take the retreads for a spin when you see the Rev package sitting in the endcap at the store. You look at price, the songs, the free DVD and then you just make a quick decision and move on. Familiarity with songs on the track listing probably makes the purchasing decision in the case of Revelation a lot easier and for that killer price, what's to lose?
Eclipse is head and shoulders the superior product IF you're a big fan of Journey. If you were just somene looking to relive some old memories with a new twist, Revelation would be the obvious choice.
marco17 wrote:No major record label has really been interested in Journey post Perry. Sony was involved with Arrival, but the fact that it was Augeri and not Perry and being leaked didn't help anything there. I also believe the WalMart deal was in the works pre-Arnel, and the GH disc is what they really wanted, and certainly they had that in the can with Augeri and probably Soto, and had they held it to 4 new tracks, I am sure that Augeri, even with his vocal troubles and the help of some studio magic, could pulled off the requested tracks for Walmart. No offense to Arnel, but I don't think him being the frontman made any difference with that deal or makes the band anymore relative than they ever have been post-Perry. Certainly, he has helped attract a certain demographic that they didn't have before, and may have helped open the door to more overseas touring, but that is hard to quantify. At least at the end of Augeri/Soto time frame, efforts were being made to tour more extensively worldwide. Like it or not, I am still of the opinion that it was a PR/media phenomenon with DSB being in Glee and the ending of the Sorpranos that sparked people's interest. It just so happened that at that time Arnel was brand new to the band, and add to that his story, and it was media gold. That has long since worn off, and what likely will result is pretty much the same result they saw with Arrival and Generations.... minimal to no promotion = low sales, and they will end up making all their money touring.
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