Eclipse Billboard - Flop

[Monker]

And you folks think there will be another album forthcoming? Look again at these numbers.

Mgt does have power. Azoff can wield it like a motherfucker, he chooses not to, and Cain and Schon don't say a single word. This is it, folks. Cherish this last piece of original material like no other. I can see another Live DVD/CD coming out to satisfy the Flip Nation, but no way anyone, not even that shit record company Frontiers takes Journey on.

Advantage Perry, and he didn't even put out a fucking record! Hell, to put this colossal tank job into perspective, the US Congress has better approval numbers than does Eclipse/Journey.

And, you are correct...but I doubt they will even go through the hassle of releasing a live album/DVD. They would have to do that on their won, which means work.

[Jubilee]

16k? I don't think anybody expected THIS. And I agree. This is criminal. I understand budgets are tight, but how much does it cost to set up a Twitter account & tweet? Nothing! It's FREE! HELLOOOO?!?! Heaven knows they didn't blow the entire advertising/marketing budget on the packaging. This has got to be Marketing 101. You have to let the people know the product is out there...assuming you intend for them to buy it.

then why didn't you complain about this three months ago when it would have mattered?

You're right, Monker. I said nothing. At the time I never dreamed anyone could be capable of such incompetence. Had I known they were going to f@ck it up, I would have done it myself.

(what is it with you and the quote thingy??)

[Monker]

And you folks think there will be another album forthcoming? Look again at these numbers.

Mgt does have power. Azoff can wield it like a motherfucker, he chooses not to, and Cain and Schon don't say a single word. This is it, folks. Cherish this last piece of original material like no other. I can see another Live DVD/CD coming out to satisfy the Flip Nation, but no way anyone, not even that shit record company Frontiers takes Journey on.

Advantage Perry, and he didn't even put out a fucking record!

Well said. Maybe Azoff actually listened to the album and gave it what he thought it was worth in terms of promotion. He's not a dummy. NS wanted his record. Now he has it. And the results are as clear as day.

BINGO! Somebody FINALLY put the blame where it really needs to be. ROR was Perry's project and he needs to take responsibility for how it tore up the band broke it up for ten years. Eclipse is Neal's project and he needs to take responsibility for it being the last album Journey ever releases. Two sides of the same coin there.

[portland]

And you folks think there will be another album forthcoming? Look again at these numbers.

Mgt does have power. Azoff can wield it like a motherfucker, he chooses not to, and Cain and Schon don't say a single word. This is it, folks. Cherish this last piece of original material like no other. I can see another Live DVD/CD coming out to satisfy the Flip Nation, but no way anyone, not even that shit record company Frontiers takes Journey on.

Advantage Perry, and he didn't even put out a fucking record!

Well said. Maybe Azoff actually listened to the album and gave it what he thought it was worth in terms of promotion. He's not a dummy. NS wanted his record. Now he has it. And the results are as clear as day.

BINGO! Somebody FINALLY put the blame where it really needs to be. ROR was Perry's project and he needs to take responsibility for how it tore up the band broke it up for ten years. Eclipse is Neal's project and he needs to take responsibility for it being the last album Journey ever releases. Two sides of the same coin there.

I get this...but ROR had radio hits and sales at the very least.

[Memorex]

It leads me to believe (even more than I already did) that Revelation sales were simply due to the greatest hits portion of the disc.

Those numbers are pretty bad. But like I said, who would have even known about this album? And not having it on iTunes day 1, that's just silly.

As far as the album itself, I'd say it's a mediocre album, with lyrics that leave a lot to be desired, with Neal being the only awesome thing about it. In fact, I wish most of these were instrumentals so Neal could fly that much more.

[Monker]

16k? I don't think anybody expected THIS. And I agree. This is criminal. I understand budgets are tight, but how much does it cost to set up a Twitter account & tweet? Nothing! It's FREE! HELLOOOO?!?! Heaven knows they didn't blow the entire advertising/marketing budget on the packaging. This has got to be Marketing 101. You have to let the people know the product is out there...assuming you intend for them to buy it.

then why didn't you complain about this three months ago when it would have mattered?

You're right, Monker. I said nothing. At the time I never dreamed anyone could be capable of such incompetence. Had I known they were going to f@ck it up, I would have done it myself.

(what is it with you and the quote thingy??)

You don't release an album and promote it the day of. Having a piece of cardboard that says "Journey - Eclipse" in a Wal-Mart the day of is not going to change much. Getting a build up of promotion leading up to the release is what sells albums. I knew Eclipse was not going to sell the numbers predicted here when NO single had any radio play...that should have raised a red flag for everybody in the forum...Instead, well, you all kept up the fantasy and you got what you got.

[Memorex]

Rod Stewart released his 'Every Beat of My Heart" album in the 80's and just prior to it's release, he stated it was his best album and made for his parents, but that it would be his least popular. He was right. Me and 3 other people bought it. Then he came out with "Out of Order", which was huge. So you never know....

But as I said before, I think it will be a very long time before a new studio album.

[Behshad]

As far as comparing them to anything Gaga or any other current artist is doing - that's nuts. That's like comparing Mel Torme of 1983 to Journey of 1983.

No comparison there

"Top Drawer" is a 1983 album by Mel Tormé, accompanied by George Shearing. [1]

At the 26th Grammy Awards, Tormé's performance on this album won him the Grammy Award for Best Jazz Vocal Performance, Male.

[Argus]

I still call bullshit on Lady Gaga's numbers, there is no way in hell she can out sell a country artist by that much. Country fans are a huge force to be reckoned with and when an artist as big as Brad Paisley releases an album, country fans turn out in droves to buy it.

You're not very informed then, because Lady Gaga will pummel him in first week sales. She is at her peak right now on this album. Gaga is the it thing right now in pop. She has a massive young fan base that is growing by the minute, a massive gay fan base, and many people in their thirties and forties buy her music. She has toured for three years on her last huge hit album, toured right up until almost this album was released and been able to hype it for quite a while even in the tour she was on building a lot of momentum talking about her album, not even including all her promotion..

This! SocialMedia Queen and a good product with many fans who adore her because she adores them.

[Jubilee]

16k? I don't think anybody expected THIS. And I agree. This is criminal. I understand budgets are tight, but how much does it cost to set up a Twitter account & tweet? Nothing! It's FREE! HELLOOOO?!?! Heaven knows they didn't blow the entire advertising/marketing budget on the packaging. This has got to be Marketing 101. You have to let the people know the product is out there...assuming you intend for them to buy it.

then why didn't you complain about this three months ago when it would have mattered?

You're right, Monker. I said nothing. At the time I never dreamed anyone could be capable of such incompetence. Had I known they were going to f@ck it up, I would have done it myself.

(what is it with you and the quote thingy??)

You don't release an album and promote it the day of. Having a piece of cardboard that says "Journey - Eclipse" in a Wal-Mart the day of is not going to change much. Getting a build up of promotion leading up to the release is what sells albums. I knew Eclipse was not going to sell the numbers predicted here when NO single had any radio play...that should have raised a red flag for everybody in the forum...Instead, well, you all kept up the fantasy and you got what you got.

Colossal miscalculation, to be sure. So, if you know that, and I know that...how come nobody on Team Journey knew that?

[Don]

And to think, people were actually buying Eclipse three to four days earlier than it's release date.

[Behshad]

(what is it with you and the quote thingy??)

He should change his name from Monker to TOWFUQ , (The One Who Fucks Up Quotes) ( silent q, pronounced Tofu)

[Memorex]

As far as comparing them to anything Gaga or any other current artist is doing - that's nuts. That's like comparing Mel Torme of 1983 to Journey of 1983.

No comparison there

"Top Drawer" is a 1983 album by Mel Tormé, accompanied by George Shearing. [1]

At the 26th Grammy Awards, Tormé's performance on this album won him the Grammy Award for Best Jazz Vocal Performance, Male.

Nice pull. However, I imagine the sales for him at that point did not match the 3 million + of Frontiers. So I pulled the wrong name out of the hat - you get my point.

[Behshad]

As far as comparing them to anything Gaga or any other current artist is doing - that's nuts. That's like comparing Mel Torme of 1983 to Journey of 1983.

No comparison there

"Top Drawer" is a 1983 album by Mel Tormé, accompanied by George Shearing. [1]

At the 26th Grammy Awards, Tormé's performance on this album won him the Grammy Award for Best Jazz Vocal Performance, Male.

Nice pull. However, I imagine the sales for him at that point did not match the 3 million + of Frontiers. So I pulled the wrong name out of the hat - you get my point.

Yes I get your point , but I just HAD TO google&wiki Torme, sorry.

[Rockindeano]

The only way to save this cd now, would be to call Jon Bon Jovi and beg to open for them. Granted, they will sell OK on their 21st greatest hits tour, because they aren't playing no Eclipse garbage on this new tour....if they opened for a big name, and JBJ is the only one I know of who takes on openers, Eclipse will go down as the biggest clunker in Journey history, and this one is Schon's baby. Sorry Neal, but just adding "Journey" to your guitar layered disc doesn't prove fruitful gains. He should have learned this back on his epic NSB tour, where he sold 8 tickets to a Denver, CO, show and canceled it. Journey isn't about the guitar. Sure, a portion of it is, but perhaps it's the sum of the parts, and oh yeah, that fuckin "Voice" too. This has got to be making Steve Perry do calistenics late into the night. Hell, this may provoke the lazy bastard to release his GH+135 unreleased tunes in hoping to smash Journey's numbers.

[Jubilee]

(what is it with you and the quote thingy??)

He should change his name from Monker to TOWFUQ , (The One Who Fucks Up Quotes) ( silent q, pronounced Tofu)

Ha! Silent "q", that's awesome!!

[Rockindeano]

Aw fuck it, time to pile on- THIS is ALL on the OLD MAN, oh shitinhispants Azoff. Yeah Schon fucked it up too by trying to be Carlos Santana with a poppy sound or whatever the Hell he was trying to do....but Goddammit, how many of the big bands utilize FREE marketing like Twitter, Fb, or gasp, even MySpace? All the bands do...even the 5 remaining dinosaur bands who carry the rock flag do...look at Bon Jovi's site...U2, and Springsteen's...all those bands go out of their way to publicize the artist! Hell, look at Bryan Adams..that guy sells circles around Journey, why? Because he utilizes the internet better than they do. They all use free marketing. Why didn't Journey release a free song or 2 even, and simply throw them up on Fb, or Youtube? While not call Howard Stern? Tons of sales right there. Of course they would be asked questions they would probably prefer they wouldn't want asked. How about Jimmy Fallon? Letterman? Leno? Too masculine? Ok, how about Ellen, again? There are tons of daytime shows they could have done. The question is, did Mgt even make the calls? You can't tell me Rachel Ray wouldn't have loved Journey to take her to commercial? Please....

When I was with Schon at soundcheck back in Atlantic City, I directly told that little twerp, "you need to can the old man." He defended him then, but I wonder if he would now? Can everyone here be wrong, and Irving be correct? So far the results suggest that Irv is getting assraped and rightfully so. What all you Journey fans/lovers should do is phone that old mans office and bitch and complain and simply ask, why didn't you do ANYTHING? Hell, Neal and Jon could have asked the NBA or NHL to play The Star Spangled Banner in Dallas, Miami or Boston? These guys IMHO, simply are too old, not motivated enough, and rest too much on DSB.

[YoungJRNY]

And you folks think there will be another album forthcoming? Look again at these numbers.

Mgt does have power. Azoff can wield it like a motherfucker, he chooses not to, and Cain and Schon don't say a single word. This is it, folks. Cherish this last piece of original material like no other. I can see another Live DVD/CD coming out to satisfy the Flip Nation, but no way anyone, not even that shit record company Frontiers takes Journey on.

Advantage Perry, and he didn't even put out a fucking record!

Well said. Maybe Azoff actually listened to the album and gave it what he thought it was worth in terms of promotion. He's not a dummy. NS wanted his record. Now he has it. And the results are as clear as day.

Lmao, that's so full of shit. The results are clear as day? What? the 17,000+ that bought Eclipse bought them, had a sour taste for the music, then RETURNED them? It sure as hell doesn't have anything to do with the music. The guys really stepped up and put together a fuckin amazing album. Whoever says otherwise are either bitter or just doesn't have a taste for it for some reason but to say these songs are the results of bad taste is ludicrous.

I can see Eclipse selling units once they tour for the next 2 years. Common sense.

[Rockindeano]

And you folks think there will be another album forthcoming? Look again at these numbers.

Mgt does have power. Azoff can wield it like a motherfucker, he chooses not to, and Cain and Schon don't say a single word. This is it, folks. Cherish this last piece of original material like no other. I can see another Live DVD/CD coming out to satisfy the Flip Nation, but no way anyone, not even that shit record company Frontiers takes Journey on.

Advantage Perry, and he didn't even put out a fucking record!

Well said. Maybe Azoff actually listened to the album and gave it what he thought it was worth in terms of promotion. He's not a dummy. NS wanted his record. Now he has it. And the results are as clear as day.

Lmao, that's so full of shit. The results are clear as day? What? the 17,000+ that bought Eclipse bought them, had a sour taste for the music, then RETURNED them? It sure as hell doesn't have anything to do with the music. The guys really stepped up and put together a fuckin amazing album. Whoever says otherwise are either bitter or just doesn't have a taste for it for some reason but to say these songs are the results of bad taste is ludicrous.

I can see Eclipse selling units once they tour for the next 2 years. Common sense.

Dude, pull the Terrible Towel out of your eyes.

1- It's not that the music is bad, but there isn't a single radio friendly song on it. Neal KNEW this and didn't care. Radio is FREE promo/interest and sales.

2- You see Eclipse selling after another GH tour? They aren't going to play anything off this album save for one or possibly two songs. Why are they going to play stuff off a new album that NO ONE has heard? In the "Glory Days" like Escape, Frontiers and even ROR, they played 7, 8 and up to 4 new songs from those albums, respectively. Look at these last years...you aren't getting 4 new numbers...you're lucky if you get 2.

[Behshad]

And you folks think there will be another album forthcoming? Look again at these numbers.

Mgt does have power. Azoff can wield it like a motherfucker, he chooses not to, and Cain and Schon don't say a single word. This is it, folks. Cherish this last piece of original material like no other. I can see another Live DVD/CD coming out to satisfy the Flip Nation, but no way anyone, not even that shit record company Frontiers takes Journey on.

Advantage Perry, and he didn't even put out a fucking record!

Well said. Maybe Azoff actually listened to the album and gave it what he thought it was worth in terms of promotion. He's not a dummy. NS wanted his record. Now he has it. And the results are as clear as day.

Lmao, that's so full of shit. The results are clear as day? What? the 17,000+ that bought Eclipse bought them, had a sour taste for the music, then RETURNED them? It sure as hell doesn't have anything to do with the music. The guys really stepped up and put together a fuckin amazing album. Whoever says otherwise are either bitter or just doesn't have a taste for it for some reason but to say these songs are the results of bad taste is ludicrous.

I can see Eclipse selling units once they tour for the next 2 years. Common sense.

It's not about those who bought the album and the 17k units sold , bro. It's about those who didn't buy it cause Azoff didn't believe in the album to promote it for bigger sales outside the circle of diehard Journey fans

[Jana]

The only way to save this cd now, would be to call Jon Bon Jovi and beg to open for them. Granted, they will sell OK on their 21st greatest hits tour, because they aren't playing no Eclipse garbage on this new tour....if they opened for a big name, and JBJ is the only one I know of who takes on openers, Eclipse will go down as the biggest clunker in Journey history, and this one is Schon's baby. Sorry Neal, but just adding "Journey" to your guitar layered disc doesn't prove fruitful gains. He should have learned this back on his epic NSB tour, where he sold 8 tickets to a Denver, CO, show and canceled it. Journey isn't about the guitar. Sure, a portion of it is, but perhaps it's the sum of the parts, and oh yeah, that fuckin "Voice" too. This has got to be making Steve Perry do calistenics late into the night. Hell, this may provoke the lazy bastard to release his GH+135 unreleased tunes in hoping to smash Journey's numbers.

Again, some people are blaming the different sound of the album on lackluster first week sales. That is not the reason because the casual Journey fan doesn't even know about the album. The general public and casual fans do not know what the album sounds like because they don't even know it's out, save the hardcore fanbase or AOR internet followers.

Hardcore fans will buy it because they like it or just to see. You can't blame the sound of the CD on bad first week sales if there's been no promo, not TV appearances, nada. You can blame the change of sound on lackluster sales down the road when people are actually hearing it in concert or knowing about the album from the morning show concert, etc.

[Monker]

16k? I don't think anybody expected THIS. And I agree. This is criminal. I understand budgets are tight, but how much does it cost to set up a Twitter account & tweet? Nothing! It's FREE! HELLOOOO?!?! Heaven knows they didn't blow the entire advertising/marketing budget on the packaging. This has got to be Marketing 101. You have to let the people know the product is out there...assuming you intend for them to buy it.

then why didn't you complain about this three months ago when it would have mattered?

You're right, Monker. I said nothing. At the time I never dreamed anyone could be capable of such incompetence. Had I known they were going to f@ck it up, I would have done it myself.

(what is it with you and the quote thingy??)

You don't release an album and promote it the day of. Having a piece of cardboard that says "Journey - Eclipse" in a Wal-Mart the day of is not going to change much. Getting a build up of promotion leading up to the release is what sells albums. I knew Eclipse was not going to sell the numbers predicted here when NO single had any radio play...that should have raised a red flag for everybody in the forum...Instead, well, you all kept up the fantasy and you got what you got.

Colossal miscalculation, to be sure. So, if you know that, and I know that...how come nobody on Team Journey knew that?

I'm sure they do know that. My question back to you would be: Why doesn't Journey care enough to promote their album?

[Rockindeano]

One last point...

Irving Azoff is not just a music guy. He has history in film too. Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Urban Cowboy, and Jack Frost to name a few...

You mean to tell me Irv couldn't have taken Jon and Neal out for dinner and said look, "Write me an uplifting rock tune" for a movie, and I will present it to some of my buddies in Film.??????

How's that for thinking out of the box? UNLESS, and this is a big if...perhaps Neal and Cain simply cannot write that hit song with the missing triumvirate out of the lineup? Maybe Perry IS just that important, eh? Just saying, could you imagine a blockbuster movie, with a Journey song in the film? A NEW Journey song?

Time to either fire the Old Bastard, or retire. They're going to look like fuckin REO in a year or god forbid, Mr Big, playing bars.

[Jana]

And you folks think there will be another album forthcoming? Look again at these numbers.

Mgt does have power. Azoff can wield it like a motherfucker, he chooses not to, and Cain and Schon don't say a single word. This is it, folks. Cherish this last piece of original material like no other. I can see another Live DVD/CD coming out to satisfy the Flip Nation, but no way anyone, not even that shit record company Frontiers takes Journey on.

Advantage Perry, and he didn't even put out a fucking record!

Well said. Maybe Azoff actually listened to the album and gave it what he thought it was worth in terms of promotion. He's not a dummy. NS wanted his record. Now he has it. And the results are as clear as day.

Lmao, that's so full of shit. The results are clear as day? What? the 17,000+ that bought Eclipse bought them, had a sour taste for the music, then RETURNED them? It sure as hell doesn't have anything to do with the music. The guys really stepped up and put together a fuckin amazing album. Whoever says otherwise are either bitter or just doesn't have a taste for it for some reason but to say these songs are the results of bad taste is ludicrous.

I can see Eclipse selling units once they tour for the next 2 years. Common sense.

Yep. And they will play some songs off this album, absolutely. And they had better play at least three songs: Resonate, Chain of Love and Edge of the Moment/Anything is Possible (one or those two) when I see them or else . . . . . . . Those songs are fantastic.

[Monker]

And you folks think there will be another album forthcoming? Look again at these numbers.

Mgt does have power. Azoff can wield it like a motherfucker, he chooses not to, and Cain and Schon don't say a single word. This is it, folks. Cherish this last piece of original material like no other. I can see another Live DVD/CD coming out to satisfy the Flip Nation, but no way anyone, not even that shit record company Frontiers takes Journey on.

Advantage Perry, and he didn't even put out a fucking record!

Well said. Maybe Azoff actually listened to the album and gave it what he thought it was worth in terms of promotion. He's not a dummy. NS wanted his record. Now he has it. And the results are as clear as day.

Lmao, that's so full of shit. The results are clear as day? What? the 17,000+ that bought Eclipse bought them, had a sour taste for the music, then RETURNED them? It sure as hell doesn't have anything to do with the music. The guys really stepped up and put together a fuckin amazing album. Whoever says otherwise are either bitter or just doesn't have a taste for it for some reason but to say these songs are the results of bad taste is ludicrous.

I can see Eclipse selling units once they tour for the next 2 years. Common sense.

Gooed point: Sales are counted, returns are not. Maybe they should be.

[YoungJRNY]

And you folks think there will be another album forthcoming? Look again at these numbers.

Mgt does have power. Azoff can wield it like a motherfucker, he chooses not to, and Cain and Schon don't say a single word. This is it, folks. Cherish this last piece of original material like no other. I can see another Live DVD/CD coming out to satisfy the Flip Nation, but no way anyone, not even that shit record company Frontiers takes Journey on.

Advantage Perry, and he didn't even put out a fucking record!

Well said. Maybe Azoff actually listened to the album and gave it what he thought it was worth in terms of promotion. He's not a dummy. NS wanted his record. Now he has it. And the results are as clear as day.

Lmao, that's so full of shit. The results are clear as day? What? the 17,000+ that bought Eclipse bought them, had a sour taste for the music, then RETURNED them? It sure as hell doesn't have anything to do with the music. The guys really stepped up and put together a fuckin amazing album. Whoever says otherwise are either bitter or just doesn't have a taste for it for some reason but to say these songs are the results of bad taste is ludicrous.

I can see Eclipse selling units once they tour for the next 2 years. Common sense.

Dude, pull the Terrible Towel out of your eyes.

1- It's not that the music is bad, but there isn't a single radio friendly song on it. Neal KNEW this and didn't care. Radio is FREE promo/interest and sales.

2- You see Eclipse selling after another GH tour? They aren't going to play anything off this album save for one or possibly two songs. Why are they going to play stuff off a new album that NO ONE has heard? In the "Glory Days" like Escape, Frontiers and even ROR, they played 7, 8 and up to 4 new songs from those albums, respectively. Look at these last years...you aren't getting 4 new numbers...you're lucky if you get 2.

It's simple, really. #1, if Neal knew there wasn't any radio friendly songs on the album and doesn't care about overall sells and the targeted casual audience, then what's the gripe? The band knew damn well what kind of results they were probably going to pull without any pull. There's more to this album to the band and to the fans than sells at this point which brings me to my next point.

#2, You say they won't play any new songs on the album (for whatever reason, I don't know, even for you Dean) but Neal specifically said that this album brings it home to the hardcore fan, and that hardcore fan will hear it up-close and personal up front and in a concert setting. If Neal made this album to be concert/live experience, then why the HELL would they only play two songs? 4-5 songs will be played, which means the casual Journey fan will go on to see hits like DSB, Separate Ways, and Faithfully (and Journey can still draw a crowd) but will be confronted with a good amount of Eclipse as well, which is ADVERTISEMENT for the fanbase of the band, as well as Eclipse.

Go on youtube clips, watch the fan reactions to "Chain of Love." People are like " " Once they tour for 2 years with Eclipse material, those fans in the seats will no doubt start buying. It's inevitable in theory.

[Gideon]

2- You see Eclipse selling after another GH tour? They aren't going to play anything off this album save for one or possibly two songs. Why are they going to play stuff off a new album that NO ONE has heard? In the "Glory Days" like Escape, Frontiers and even ROR, they played 7, 8 and up to 4 new songs from those albums, respectively. Look at these last years...you aren't getting 4 new numbers...you're lucky if you get 2.

If you're talking live, then this isn't true. Journey's played at least 3 or 4 new songs when I've seen them live. On the DVD, didn't they play 5-6?

[Monker]

And you folks think there will be another album forthcoming? Look again at these numbers.

Mgt does have power. Azoff can wield it like a motherfucker, he chooses not to, and Cain and Schon don't say a single word. This is it, folks. Cherish this last piece of original material like no other. I can see another Live DVD/CD coming out to satisfy the Flip Nation, but no way anyone, not even that shit record company Frontiers takes Journey on.

Advantage Perry, and he didn't even put out a fucking record!

Well said. Maybe Azoff actually listened to the album and gave it what he thought it was worth in terms of promotion. He's not a dummy. NS wanted his record. Now he has it. And the results are as clear as day.

Lmao, that's so full of shit. The results are clear as day? What? the 17,000+ that bought Eclipse bought them, had a sour taste for the music, then RETURNED them? It sure as hell doesn't have anything to do with the music. The guys really stepped up and put together a fuckin amazing album. Whoever says otherwise are either bitter or just doesn't have a taste for it for some reason but to say these songs are the results of bad taste is ludicrous.

I can see Eclipse selling units once they tour for the next 2 years. Common sense.

Dude, pull the Terrible Towel out of your eyes.

1- It's not that the music is bad, but there isn't a single radio friendly song on it. Neal KNEW this and didn't care. Radio is FREE promo/interest and sales.

2- You see Eclipse selling after another GH tour? They aren't going to play anything off this album save for one or possibly two songs. Why are they going to play stuff off a new album that NO ONE has heard? In the "Glory Days" like Escape, Frontiers and even ROR, they played 7, 8 and up to 4 new songs from those albums, respectively. Look at these last years...you aren't getting 4 new numbers...you're lucky if you get 2.

It's simple, really. #1, if Neal knew there wasn't any radio friendly songs on the album and doesn't care about overall sells and the targeted casual audience, then what's the gripe? The band knew damn well what kind of results they were probably going to pull without any pull. There's more to this album to the band and to the fans than sells at this point which brings me to my next point.

#2, You say they won't play any new songs on the album (for whatever reason, I don't know, even for you Dean) but Neal specifically said that this album brings it home to the hardcore fan, and that hardcore fan will hear it up-close and personal up front and in a concert setting. If Neal made this album to be concert/live experience, then why the HELL would they only play two songs? 4-5 songs will be played, which means the casual Journey fan will go on to see hits like DSB, Separate Ways, and Faithfully (and Journey can still draw a crowd) but will be confronted with a good amount of Eclipse as well, which is ADVERTISEMENT for the fanbase of the band, as well as Eclipse.

Go on youtube clips, watch the fan reactions to "Chain of Love." People are like " " Once they tour for 2 years with Eclipse material, those fans in the seats will no doubt start buying. It's inevitable in theory.

Yep...you're right. If they stick to your plan, in two years, all 500 fans who attend each concert will definitely own Eclipse.

[Jana]

2- You see Eclipse selling after another GH tour? They aren't going to play anything off this album save for one or possibly two songs. Why are they going to play stuff off a new album that NO ONE has heard? In the "Glory Days" like Escape, Frontiers and even ROR, they played 7, 8 and up to 4 new songs from those albums, respectively. Look at these last years...you aren't getting 4 new numbers...you're lucky if you get 2.

If you're talking live, then this isn't true. Journey's played at least 3 or 4 new songs when I've seen them live. On the DVD, didn't they play 5-6?

Seven new songs on the DVD.

[Behshad]

Travis
They will play 4-5 new songs , but those songs will not generate CD sales. They will generate beer sales and long bathroom lines