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Postby Argus » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:24 am

jrny84 wrote:
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Don wrote:Billboard revised the numbers. Journey is now at #13 with 21,400 sold. Still an 80% drop off from Revelation's debut.


So are these the official debut numbers?

I still dont see Eclipse posted on the billboard 200 albums list.


That's what I'm wanting to know. Exactly which Billboard chart is he going by?


When you type "Journey" into the search on billboards website it pulls up eclipse and shows the chart position currently as #13. Its weird though it doesnt show it on the billboard 200 albums list.


http://www.billboard.com/#/album/journey/eclipse/1504853

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Postby Behshad » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:37 am

Argus wrote:
jrny84 wrote:
Greg wrote:
jrny84 wrote:
Don wrote:Billboard revised the numbers. Journey is now at #13 with 21,400 sold. Still an 80% drop off from Revelation's debut.


So are these the official debut numbers?

I still dont see Eclipse posted on the billboard 200 albums list.


That's what I'm wanting to know. Exactly which Billboard chart is he going by?


When you type "Journey" into the search on billboards website it pulls up eclipse and shows the chart position currently as #13. Its weird though it doesnt show it on the billboard 200 albums list.


http://www.billboard.com/#/album/journey/eclipse/1504853

13 Billboard 200 »June 11 2011

4 Rock Albums »June 11 2011

4 Independent Albums »June 11 2011

http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/billboard-200?chartDate=2011-06-11


Is this a prediction of the Billboard in 9 days? :?
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Postby Argus » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:43 am

Behshad wrote:
Argus wrote:
jrny84 wrote:
Greg wrote:
jrny84 wrote:
Don wrote:Billboard revised the numbers. Journey is now at #13 with 21,400 sold. Still an 80% drop off from Revelation's debut.


So are these the official debut numbers?

I still dont see Eclipse posted on the billboard 200 albums list.


That's what I'm wanting to know. Exactly which Billboard chart is he going by?


When you type "Journey" into the search on billboards website it pulls up eclipse and shows the chart position currently as #13. Its weird though it doesnt show it on the billboard 200 albums list.


http://www.billboard.com/#/album/journey/eclipse/1504853

13 Billboard 200 »June 11 2011

4 Rock Albums »June 11 2011

4 Independent Albums »June 11 2011

http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/billboard-200?chartDate=2011-06-11


Is this a prediction of the Billboard in 9 days? :?


No, it's just their SOP :wink: Billboard lags by about 7-10 days due to them relying on the various data reporting sites. [SoundScan, Amazon etc. etc]

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Postby jestor92 » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:52 am

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jestor92 wrote:They'd be radio friendly if they weren't filler tracks. IMO the only songs on the album that are worthy of a release are City of Hope, Chain Of Love, and Tantra. Edge of the Moment, Resonate, and To Whom It May Concern are alright songs, but nothing special. The rest of the album is filler.


Like Escape, there is no filler on this album. It's a lean and mean 12 tracks - only Neal's instrumental is a waste of time. City of Hope is pretty lame, but otherwise I've got no complaints.

Whatever Kool-Aid you're drinking I need some. Yes this is the best album they've released since Arrival, but that's not saying much. The only album this is better from Perry's era is ROR. The album is filler with 3 solid tracks.

Also forgot to mention that one of those tracks (City Of Hope) sounds like a U2 riff rip off mixed with "Praise" from Soul SirkUS. When they jam toward the end of the song and Neal is ripping it up listen to the other riff going on then go back and listen to "Praise"


So your accusing Neal of ripping off himself? :roll:

I'm accusing Neal of not being creative and using old riffs instead of writing new ones. Also I enjoy City of Hope, IMO the 2nd best track on the album. Unfortunetly the "Praise" riff is much better used in it's original song which again IMO is better than this song.
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Postby jrny84 » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:58 am

Eclipse is #19 on UK music charts...didnt someone say it debuted at #14?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/update/albums
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Postby WykkedSensation » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:05 am

jrny84 wrote:Eclipse is #19 on UK music charts...didnt someone say it debuted at #14?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/update/albums



It couldn't have debuted at #14, as its a brand new entry at #19. Remember it's only been out 4 days in the UK.
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Postby Don » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:12 am

jrny84 wrote:Eclipse is #19 on UK music charts...didnt someone say it debuted at #14?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/update/albums


They had those mid week predictions at 14, looks like it slipped. It wasn't going to match Frontier's top ten number anyway. I think there is still two days to go for the official UK chart week to end.

Here is where they said it would be at 14.

http://www.musicweek.com/story.asp?sect ... 045381&c=1
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Postby jrny84 » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:17 am

Don wrote:
jrny84 wrote:Eclipse is #19 on UK music charts...didnt someone say it debuted at #14?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/update/albums


They had those mid week predictions at 14, looks like it slipped. It wasn't going to match Frontier's top ten number anyway. I think there is still two days to go for the official UK chart week to end.

Here is where they said it would be at 14.

http://www.musicweek.com/story.asp?sect ... 045381&c=1


Oh ok, I didnt realize that was just a prediction. It looks like its going to debut then at #19.
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Postby Don » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:19 am

jrny84 wrote:
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jrny84 wrote:Eclipse is #19 on UK music charts...didnt someone say it debuted at #14?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/update/albums


They had those mid week predictions at 14, looks like it slipped. It wasn't going to match Frontier's top ten number anyway. I think there is still two days to go for the official UK chart week to end.

Here is where they said it would be at 14.

http://www.musicweek.com/story.asp?sect ... 045381&c=1


Oh ok, I didnt realize that was just a prediction. It looks like its going to debut then at #19.


With two more days of sales to go, even that might fluctuate a spot or two.
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Postby jrny84 » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:20 am

Don wrote:
jrny84 wrote:
Don wrote:
jrny84 wrote:Eclipse is #19 on UK music charts...didnt someone say it debuted at #14?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/update/albums


They had those mid week predictions at 14, looks like it slipped. It wasn't going to match Frontier's top ten number anyway. I think there is still two days to go for the official UK chart week to end.

Here is where they said it would be at 14.

http://www.musicweek.com/story.asp?sect ... 045381&c=1


Oh ok, I didnt realize that was just a prediction. It looks like its going to debut then at #19.


With two more days of sales to go, even that might fluctuate a spot or two.


Do you know when the numbers come out for Japan or Germany?
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Postby Don » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:27 am

jrny84 wrote:
Don wrote:
jrny84 wrote:
Don wrote:
jrny84 wrote:Eclipse is #19 on UK music charts...didnt someone say it debuted at #14?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/update/albums


They had those mid week predictions at 14, looks like it slipped. It wasn't going to match Frontier's top ten number anyway. I think there is still two days to go for the official UK chart week to end.

Here is where they said it would be at 14.

http://www.musicweek.com/story.asp?sect ... 045381&c=1


Oh ok, I didnt realize that was just a prediction. It looks like its going to debut then at #19.


With two more days of sales to go, even that might fluctuate a spot or two.


Do you know when the numbers come out for Japan or Germany?


Japan's numbers will update on Sunday. Germany isn't a big player in music sales so I'm not sure but I think they'll up date on Sunday also.
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Postby Art Vandelay » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:32 am

I was just at my local WalMart. They are stocked with the new CD, and unless they replenished the bin, it doesn't look like anything has moved from it. They also had Revelation and Live from Manilla stacked below it. As I'm looking at the CD rack, something hit me....the new cover is very muted and bland. Unlike all previous CDs that featured a colorful scarab, this new cover is very blah. Not even a colorful sticker teasing it as a new product. It's not a traditional eye-catching Journey cover and this could have a major effect on the casual shopper. Identity is a major part of branding and without that trademark scarab hitting you in the face, it's no surprise that people could just be breezing past it.
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Postby Eric » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:38 am

Art Vandelay wrote:I was just at my local WalMart. They are stocked with the new CD, and unless they replenished the bin, it doesn't look like anything has moved from it. They also had Revelation and Live from Manilla stacked below it. As I'm looking at the CD rack, something hit me....the new cover is very muted and bland. Unlike all previous CDs that featured a colorful scarab, this new cover is very blah. Not even a colorful sticker teasing it as a new product. It's not a traditional eye-catching Journey cover and this could have a major effect on the casual shopper. Identity is a major part of branding and without that trademark scarab hitting you in the face, it's no surprise that people could just be breezing past it.


Yeah, the hard copy doesn't have the red that the digital version has.
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Postby steveo777 » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:40 am

Art Vandelay wrote:I was just at my local WalMart. They are stocked with the new CD, and unless they replenished the bin, it doesn't look like anything has moved from it. They also had Revelation and Live from Manilla stacked below it. As I'm looking at the CD rack, something hit me....the new cover is very muted and bland. Unlike all previous CDs that featured a colorful scarab, this new cover is very blah. Not even a colorful sticker teasing it as a new product. It's not a traditional eye-catching Journey cover and this could have a major effect on the casual shopper. Identity is a major part of branding and without that trademark scarab hitting you in the face, it's no surprise that people could just be breezing past it.


In spite of what you posted, it's listed as their #1 seller on their site. Has been for almost a week now.
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Postby Don » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:46 am

Eric wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:I was just at my local WalMart. They are stocked with the new CD, and unless they replenished the bin, it doesn't look like anything has moved from it. They also had Revelation and Live from Manilla stacked below it. As I'm looking at the CD rack, something hit me....the new cover is very muted and bland. Unlike all previous CDs that featured a colorful scarab, this new cover is very blah. Not even a colorful sticker teasing it as a new product. It's not a traditional eye-catching Journey cover and this could have a major effect on the casual shopper. Identity is a major part of branding and without that trademark scarab hitting you in the face, it's no surprise that people could just be breezing past it.


Yeah, the hard copy doesn't have the red that the digital version has.


As there are no Wal-Marts near me, I was just going by the photos People posted and was thinking that, If dodin't already know what the album cover was, I might just walk by it in the store. I thought it was just the photos but it sounds like it really is nondescript.
Of course, if they had put out the kiosk as rumored, the cover would be a non issue.
I like the cover from the pictures on the promos online. Is it really that subdued when you see the real package?
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Postby Art Vandelay » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:51 am

Eric wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:I was just at my local WalMart. They are stocked with the new CD, and unless they replenished the bin, it doesn't look like anything has moved from it. They also had Revelation and Live from Manilla stacked below it. As I'm looking at the CD rack, something hit me....the new cover is very muted and bland. Unlike all previous CDs that featured a colorful scarab, this new cover is very blah. Not even a colorful sticker teasing it as a new product. It's not a traditional eye-catching Journey cover and this could have a major effect on the casual shopper. Identity is a major part of branding and without that trademark scarab hitting you in the face, it's no surprise that people could just be breezing past it.


Yeah, the hard copy doesn't have the red that the digital version has.


Suck it. I'm talking about the casual WalMart shopper that they are obviously marketing the product to, otherwise they wouldn't be selling it (almost) exclusively there. There is nothing traditional about the cover that says from a quick glance 'hey look, it's a new Journey CD'. Whether it's CD, magazine, books, etc...the human brain reacts within about 5 seconds to what it sees. You gotta have a quick, eye catching visual to draw in the customer. And this cover doesn't have it, as far as a Journey CD cover goes. It's a cool cover, and a cool image, but not something that screams Journey.
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Postby Art Vandelay » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:52 am

Don wrote:
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Art Vandelay wrote:I was just at my local WalMart. They are stocked with the new CD, and unless they replenished the bin, it doesn't look like anything has moved from it. They also had Revelation and Live from Manilla stacked below it. As I'm looking at the CD rack, something hit me....the new cover is very muted and bland. Unlike all previous CDs that featured a colorful scarab, this new cover is very blah. Not even a colorful sticker teasing it as a new product. It's not a traditional eye-catching Journey cover and this could have a major effect on the casual shopper. Identity is a major part of branding and without that trademark scarab hitting you in the face, it's no surprise that people could just be breezing past it.


Yeah, the hard copy doesn't have the red that the digital version has.


As there are no Wal-Marts near me, I was just going by the photos People posted and was thinking that, If dodin't already know what the album cover was, I might just walk by it in the store. I thought it was just the photos but it sounds like it really is nondescript.
Of course, if they had put out the kiosk as rumored, the cover would be a non issue.
I like the cover from the pictures on the promos online. Is it really that subdued when you see the real package?


Seeing it next to the Manilla DVD and Revelation, yes.
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Postby Don » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:53 am

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Art Vandelay wrote:I was just at my local WalMart. They are stocked with the new CD, and unless they replenished the bin, it doesn't look like anything has moved from it. They also had Revelation and Live from Manilla stacked below it. As I'm looking at the CD rack, something hit me....the new cover is very muted and bland. Unlike all previous CDs that featured a colorful scarab, this new cover is very blah. Not even a colorful sticker teasing it as a new product. It's not a traditional eye-catching Journey cover and this could have a major effect on the casual shopper. Identity is a major part of branding and without that trademark scarab hitting you in the face, it's no surprise that people could just be breezing past it.


In spite of what you posted, it's listed as their #1 seller on their site. Has been for almost a week now.

That's not a surprise. Wal-Mart accounted for the lowest numbers sold for the Adele, GAGA and Paisley sales compared to Best Buy, and Target. Wal-Mart's music business has slipped over 20% since Revelation came out, while the competition have distanced themselves ahead of the retailer considerably.
Like I said before, if Richard Marx can be in the top five on Wal-Mart's best seller list for three weeks and STILL not even get into the top 200 album sales, how much product is Wal-Mart really moving?

Next week, another Wal-Mart exclusive goes on sale, Def Leppard. Look for that to top the store best sellers list soon.
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Postby steveo777 » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:53 am

It won't stand out, but a fan looking for a Journey CD just goes to the J's in the CD rack. :wink:

Right, though, there is nothing to inform the casual shopper that there is anything new or special out.
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Postby Don » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:58 am

steveo777 wrote:It won't stand out, but a fan looking for a Journey CD just goes to the J's in the CD rack. :wink:

Right, though, there is nothing to inform the casual shopper that there is anything new or special out.


The question would be, of the 80 thousand sales missing this week, were those causal shoppers who just came across Revelation and connected it with Arnel's story on TV and made an impulse buy OR where they real Journey fans who now don't know about Eclipse, don't like Eclipse or would rather just catch a live show instead and maybe get the album later?
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Postby Art Vandelay » Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:17 am

Don wrote:
steveo777 wrote:It won't stand out, but a fan looking for a Journey CD just goes to the J's in the CD rack. :wink:

Right, though, there is nothing to inform the casual shopper that there is anything new or special out.


The question would be, of the 80 thousand sales missing this week, were those causal shoppers who just came across Revelation and connected it with Arnel's story on TV and made an impulse buy OR where they real Journey fans who now don't know about Eclipse, don't like Eclipse or would rather just catch a live show instead and maybe get the album later?


I'd say a majority purchased Revelation because of the publicity on Arnel's story and because he sounded so much like Perry. Those were the two 'go-to' stories when Revelation came out. And that's why I believe they re-recorded the Greatest hits and included the DVD, to show everyone that he can in fact handle the catalogue and put on a show. The rags-to-riches story is no longer a selling point, and with no major marketing or classic tie-in (sound or visually), the new disc will have difficulty selling on its own merits.
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Postby steveo777 » Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:21 am

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steveo777 wrote:It won't stand out, but a fan looking for a Journey CD just goes to the J's in the CD rack. :wink:

Right, though, there is nothing to inform the casual shopper that there is anything new or special out.


The question would be, of the 80 thousand sales missing this week, were those causal shoppers who just came across Revelation and connected it with Arnel's story on TV and made an impulse buy OR where they real Journey fans who now don't know about Eclipse, don't like Eclipse or would rather just catch a live show instead and maybe get the album later?


I'd say a majority purchased Revelation because of the publicity on Arnel's story and because he sounded so much like Perry. Those were the two 'go-to' stories when Revelation came out. And that's why I believe they re-recorded the Greatest hits and included teh DVD, to show everyone that he can in fact handle the catalogue and put on a show. The rags-to-riches story is no longer a selling point, and with no major marketing or classic tie-in (sound or visually), the new disc sell on its own merits.


It's kind of refreshing to see that what copies are being sold are being sold on it's own merits. Apparently none of the factors that sold Revelation apply here.
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Postby Art Vandelay » Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:26 am

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steveo777 wrote:It won't stand out, but a fan looking for a Journey CD just goes to the J's in the CD rack. :wink:

Right, though, there is nothing to inform the casual shopper that there is anything new or special out.


The question would be, of the 80 thousand sales missing this week, were those causal shoppers who just came across Revelation and connected it with Arnel's story on TV and made an impulse buy OR where they real Journey fans who now don't know about Eclipse, don't like Eclipse or would rather just catch a live show instead and maybe get the album later?


I'd say a majority purchased Revelation because of the publicity on Arnel's story and because he sounded so much like Perry. Those were the two 'go-to' stories when Revelation came out. And that's why I believe they re-recorded the Greatest hits and included teh DVD, to show everyone that he can in fact handle the catalogue and put on a show. The rags-to-riches story is no longer a selling point, and with no major marketing or classic tie-in (sound or visually), the new disc sell on its own merits.


It's kind of refreshing to see that what copies are being sold are being sold on it's own merits. Apparently none of the factors that sold Revelation apply here.


Absolutely. I'm all for grass roots efforts. The question is, can Journey do it at this point in their career, since they are associated so strongly with their classic catalogue/DSB. Again, their catalogue is bigger than the band itself.
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Postby Don » Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:26 am

steveo777 wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:
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steveo777 wrote:It won't stand out, but a fan looking for a Journey CD just goes to the J's in the CD rack. :wink:

Right, though, there is nothing to inform the casual shopper that there is anything new or special out.


The question would be, of the 80 thousand sales missing this week, were those causal shoppers who just came across Revelation and connected it with Arnel's story on TV and made an impulse buy OR where they real Journey fans who now don't know about Eclipse, don't like Eclipse or would rather just catch a live show instead and maybe get the album later?


I'd say a majority purchased Revelation because of the publicity on Arnel's story and because he sounded so much like Perry. Those were the two 'go-to' stories when Revelation came out. And that's why I believe they re-recorded the Greatest hits and included teh DVD, to show everyone that he can in fact handle the catalogue and put on a show. The rags-to-riches story is no longer a selling point, and with no major marketing or classic tie-in (sound or visually), the new disc sell on its own merits.


It's kind of refreshing to see that what copies are being sold are being sold on it's own merits. Apparently none of the factors that sold Revelation apply here.


I would hope it helps people to realize what a great challenge Augeri had in front of him, especially as he was the guy that had to initially replace "The Voice".
370,000 doesn't seem like such a bad effort now, in hindsight.
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Postby brywool » Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:28 am

Art Vandelay wrote: As I'm looking at the CD rack, something hit me....the new cover is very muted and bland.


Have you guys seen the Lady GaGa cover? God, what a mess that is.
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Postby Onestepper » Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:29 am

steveo777 wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:
Don wrote:
steveo777 wrote:It won't stand out, but a fan looking for a Journey CD just goes to the J's in the CD rack. :wink:

Right, though, there is nothing to inform the casual shopper that there is anything new or special out.


The question would be, of the 80 thousand sales missing this week, were those causal shoppers who just came across Revelation and connected it with Arnel's story on TV and made an impulse buy OR where they real Journey fans who now don't know about Eclipse, don't like Eclipse or would rather just catch a live show instead and maybe get the album later?


I'd say a majority purchased Revelation because of the publicity on Arnel's story and because he sounded so much like Perry. Those were the two 'go-to' stories when Revelation came out. And that's why I believe they re-recorded the Greatest hits and included teh DVD, to show everyone that he can in fact handle the catalogue and put on a show. The rags-to-riches story is no longer a selling point, and with no major marketing or classic tie-in (sound or visually), the new disc sell on its own merits.


It's kind of refreshing to see that what copies are being sold are being sold on it's own merits. Apparently none of the factors that sold Revelation apply here.


I also think there are just some that don't or won't like the different direction. My wife is a die hard Journey fan. Grew up with them, has owned every album they put out. But heard some of Eclipse before it was released (both in concert in Vegas and the YouTube samples) and just decided she wasn't going to buy the album. She still loves the band and will be at their concert in St. Louis, but as far as Eclipse goes, it's off the map for her. The band made a decision to go with a harder sound and they are just going to lose some people this go around. Hopefully they pick up some new fans with the material. But given the lack of radio play and promotion, I don't know that it will make up the delta to those that just decided this new stuff wasn't what they wanted from Journey.
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Postby steveo777 » Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:32 am

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steveo777 wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:
Don wrote:
steveo777 wrote:It won't stand out, but a fan looking for a Journey CD just goes to the J's in the CD rack. :wink:

Right, though, there is nothing to inform the casual shopper that there is anything new or special out.


The question would be, of the 80 thousand sales missing this week, were those causal shoppers who just came across Revelation and connected it with Arnel's story on TV and made an impulse buy OR where they real Journey fans who now don't know about Eclipse, don't like Eclipse or would rather just catch a live show instead and maybe get the album later?


I'd say a majority purchased Revelation because of the publicity on Arnel's story and because he sounded so much like Perry. Those were the two 'go-to' stories when Revelation came out. And that's why I believe they re-recorded the Greatest hits and included teh DVD, to show everyone that he can in fact handle the catalogue and put on a show. The rags-to-riches story is no longer a selling point, and with no major marketing or classic tie-in (sound or visually), the new disc sell on its own merits.


It's kind of refreshing to see that what copies are being sold are being sold on it's own merits. Apparently none of the factors that sold Revelation apply here.


I also think there are just some that don't or won't like the different direction. My wife is a die hard Journey fan. Grew up with them, has owned every album they put out. But heard some of Eclipse before it was released (both in concert in Vegas and the YouTube samples) and just decided she wasn't going to buy the album. She still loves the band and will be at their concert in St. Louis, but as far as Eclipse goes, it's off the map for her. The band made a decision to go with a harder sound and they are just going to lose some people this go around. Hopefully they pick up some new fans with the material. But given the lack of radio play and promotion, I don't know that it will make up the delta to those that just decided this new stuff wasn't what they wanted from Journey.


Oh, we're definitely gonna see that kind of split. Again, you can't win them all. Fortunately, there is enough diversity in the music from this band that
there are songs to make everyone happy, past and present.
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Postby Art Vandelay » Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:32 am

brywool wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote: As I'm looking at the CD rack, something hit me....the new cover is very muted and bland.


Have you guys seen the Lady GaGa cover? God, what a mess that is.


It is bizarre, but that's her gimmick. Everyone says she's the next Madonna. I'd say, visually, she's this generation's Marilyn Manson/Alice Cooper.
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Postby Don » Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:38 am

brywool wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote: As I'm looking at the CD rack, something hit me....the new cover is very muted and bland.


Have you guys seen the Lady GaGa cover? God, what a mess that is.


Which one, she had two or three different packages out there.
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Postby Don » Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:41 am

Regarding Eclipse; For the most part, the Amazon experiment seems to have failed, how the hell do you screw that up? It's a dollar cheaper than Wal-Mart's digital offering yet no one's really buying it.
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