John Waite vs Arnel

[Andrew]

Had the chance to catch John Waite at the Manship Theatre, in Baton Rouge last Friday. He is extremely talented and the pipes are definitely still strong!

There is no denying the talents of Schon, Cain and Castronovo as well! I would love to see a Bad English reunion before it's too late...

I got the feeling that they didn't get along well. Some of the stuff that came out when they broke up was pretty detrimental to Waite.

It was....he is a complicated guy. Not easy to stay on his good side for too long.

[Behshad]

Had the chance to catch John Waite at the Manship Theatre, in Baton Rouge last Friday. He is extremely talented and the pipes are definitely still strong!

There is no denying the talents of Schon, Cain and Castronovo as well! I would love to see a Bad English reunion before it's too late...

I got the feeling that they didn't get along well. Some of the stuff that came out when they broke up was pretty detrimental to Waite.

It was....he is a complicated guy. Not easy to stay on his good side for too long.

I don't think bry was talking about Neal , mate

[Seven Wishes2]

Everything you need to know about John Waite's immaculate talent can be encapsullated by his 1996 epic album, "Temple Bar". Amazing talent. His new record is pretty damned good, too.

[Memorex]

Everything you need to know about John Waite's immaculate talent can be encapsullated by his 1996 epic album, "Temple Bar". Amazing talent. His new record is pretty damned good, too.

Agreed

[donnaplease]

As for your insecure manhood... have a look at the Bad English videos the band shot for these songs...they are anything but gay.

You had me til you wrote this ridiculous sentence.

Schon in a pirates outfit, Cain in ruffled sleeves. Yeah dude, they were manly as can be.

LOL, where do you fags come from?

Never been a fan of Waite's. Does nothing for me vocally or looks wise. But have to say, Neal is all kinds of hot in that 'Forget Me Not' video, especially in the shots of him playing in the rain in head to toe black leather. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qol7z-ku8A

Actually, Debbie, I thought he kinda resembled this guy...

[Seven Wishes2]

Ladies and gentlemen, Sexual Chocolate!!!!

[Saint John]

Ladies and gentlemen, Sexual Chocolate!!!!

Man, that show was funny! Great call, DP!

[The_Noble_Cause]

I know I am most likely in the minority, but when it comes to Bad English, really enjoyed Backlash alot more than the first CD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8_z6TOZq-k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaEx6wU8PJQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar-RFKNJrIM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2LBsHdsGKY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=appgDoruae0

Agreed. It's a lost gem. Their debut album is still easy enough to find..rarely stumble across Backlash.

[Rip Rokken]

Had the chance to catch John Waite at the Manship Theatre, in Baton Rouge last Friday. He is extremely talented and the pipes are definitely still strong!

There is no denying the talents of Schon, Cain and Castronovo as well! I would love to see a Bad English reunion before it's too late...

John Waite sings like Davy Jones of the Monkees, and his sparse lyrics are missing about 50% of the word content of a normal verse/chorus... Vince Neil omits words when he sings, but John never wrote them in the first place. Not sure where the talent part comes in.

[Rockindeano]

Had the chance to catch John Waite at the Manship Theatre, in Baton Rouge last Friday. He is extremely talented and the pipes are definitely still strong!

There is no denying the talents of Schon, Cain and Castronovo as well! I would love to see a Bad English reunion before it's too late...

John Waite sings like Davy Jones of the Monkees, and his sparse lyrics are missing about 50% of the word content of a normal verse/chorus... Vince Neil omits words when he sings, but John never wrote them in the first place. Not sure where the talent part comes in.

And Pineda hasn't written a single song. Not sure where the talent part comes.

[steveo777]

Had the chance to catch John Waite at the Manship Theatre, in Baton Rouge last Friday. He is extremely talented and the pipes are definitely still strong!

There is no denying the talents of Schon, Cain and Castronovo as well! I would love to see a Bad English reunion before it's too late...

John Waite sings like Davy Jones of the Monkees, and his sparse lyrics are missing about 50% of the word content of a normal verse/chorus... Vince Neil omits words when he sings, but John never wrote them in the first place. Not sure where the talent part comes in.

And Pineda hasn't written a single song. Not sure where the talent part comes.

Actually, Jon said when AP returned from the Philippines he brought She's A Mystery. He also wrote To Whom It May Concern, as we were told way back.
Those are his two songs and JC and Neal just arranged music to them.

[Rockindeano]

Had the chance to catch John Waite at the Manship Theatre, in Baton Rouge last Friday. He is extremely talented and the pipes are definitely still strong!

There is no denying the talents of Schon, Cain and Castronovo as well! I would love to see a Bad English reunion before it's too late...

John Waite sings like Davy Jones of the Monkees, and his sparse lyrics are missing about 50% of the word content of a normal verse/chorus... Vince Neil omits words when he sings, but John never wrote them in the first place. Not sure where the talent part comes in.

And Pineda hasn't written a single song. Not sure where the talent part comes.

Actually, Jon said when AP returned from the Philippines he brought She's A Mystery. He also wrote To Whom It May Concern, as we were told way back.
Those are his two songs and JC and Neal just arranged music to them.

I stand corrected. Pineda is a songwriting machine. Who'd have thunk it?

[steveo777]

Had the chance to catch John Waite at the Manship Theatre, in Baton Rouge last Friday. He is extremely talented and the pipes are definitely still strong!

There is no denying the talents of Schon, Cain and Castronovo as well! I would love to see a Bad English reunion before it's too late...

John Waite sings like Davy Jones of the Monkees, and his sparse lyrics are missing about 50% of the word content of a normal verse/chorus... Vince Neil omits words when he sings, but John never wrote them in the first place. Not sure where the talent part comes in.

And Pineda hasn't written a single song. Not sure where the talent part comes.

Actually, Jon said when AP returned from the Philippines he brought She's A Mystery. He also wrote To Whom It May Concern, as we were told way back.
Those are his two songs and JC and Neal just arranged music to them.

I stand corrected. Pineda is a songwriting machine. Who'd have thunk it?

It's a start, kind of like you taking that first shit in the morning and posting it for credit, then wiping your ass with the lyrics of the Mr. Big album.

[Don]

Had the chance to catch John Waite at the Manship Theatre, in Baton Rouge last Friday. He is extremely talented and the pipes are definitely still strong!

There is no denying the talents of Schon, Cain and Castronovo as well! I would love to see a Bad English reunion before it's too late...

John Waite sings like Davy Jones of the Monkees, and his sparse lyrics are missing about 50% of the word content of a normal verse/chorus... Vince Neil omits words when he sings, but John never wrote them in the first place. Not sure where the talent part comes in.

And Pineda hasn't written a single song. Not sure where the talent part comes.

Actually, Jon said when AP returned from the Philippines he brought She's A Mystery. He also wrote To Whom It May Concern, as we were told way back.
Those are his two songs and JC and Neal just arranged music to them.

Actually this is what Jon said:

rushonrock: Arnel gets a credit as a writer on the new album – how important was it to involve him at this level?

Jonathan Cain: He didn’t have a huge input as a writer but he inspired a lot of the album as a person and that’s why he deserves the credit. A lot of what you hear on Eclipse is about who Arnel is, being a Buddhist and a man of faith. He’s a real renaissance kinda guy. The new record really plugs into the character of Arnel. At the start of the writing process he was off raising money for the charity he fronts to feed kids in Manilla. When he came back he threw himself into his work and made a real contribution to a couple of tracks like She’s A Mystery. He’s bringing something to the table in that respect nowadays. Neal had the music for She’s A Mystery and the two of us sat down with Arnel to complete the song. It was a very rewarding process.

All that said, if the album doesn't move more units, Edwin Pineda might want to hold on to that first royalty payment for TWIMC because they're might not be too many pesos coming after this initial quarter.

[Rockindeano]

Steveo, I would like to add(I'm too lazy to go back and quote it), but songwriting is not just lyrics...You know, writing a song may require having a riff in mind, a bridge, chorus, catchiness, etc. Can he play any instruments? Anyone know. I remember Perry saying he wrote Party's Over in a hotel room with Schon on guitar and himself on bass.

[steveo777]

Had the chance to catch John Waite at the Manship Theatre, in Baton Rouge last Friday. He is extremely talented and the pipes are definitely still strong!

There is no denying the talents of Schon, Cain and Castronovo as well! I would love to see a Bad English reunion before it's too late...

John Waite sings like Davy Jones of the Monkees, and his sparse lyrics are missing about 50% of the word content of a normal verse/chorus... Vince Neil omits words when he sings, but John never wrote them in the first place. Not sure where the talent part comes in.

And Pineda hasn't written a single song. Not sure where the talent part comes.

Actually, Jon said when AP returned from the Philippines he brought She's A Mystery. He also wrote To Whom It May Concern, as we were told way back.
Those are his two songs and JC and Neal just arranged music to them.

Actually this is what Jon said:

rushonrock: Arnel gets a credit as a writer on the new album – how important was it to involve him at this level?

Jonathan Cain: He didn’t have a huge input as a writer but he inspired a lot of the album as a person and that’s why he deserves the credit. A lot of what you hear on Eclipse is about who Arnel is, being a Buddhist and a man of faith. He’s a real renaissance kinda guy. The new record really plugs into the character of Arnel. At the start of the writing process he was off raising money for the charity he fronts to feed kids in Manilla. When he came back he threw himself into his work and made a real contribution to a couple of tracks like She’s A Mystery. He’s bringing something to the table in that respect nowadays. Neal had the music for She’s A Mystery and the two of us sat down with Arnel to complete the song. It was a very rewarding process.

All that said, if the album doesn't move more units, Edwin Pineda might want to hold on to that first royalty payment for TWIMC because they're might not be too many pesos coming after this initial quarter.

It depends on where you read, I guess. This from jonathancain.com

During this time, Arnel had been on a tour raising money for his foundation so he came two weeks before the recording process took place. We wrote “She’s a Mystery" and he brought a fine song with him ”To Whom It May Concern".

Fine, as long as he gets his name on the album credits.

[Don]

Steveo, I would like to add(I'm too lazy to go back and quote it), but songwriting is not just lyrics...You know, writing a song may require having a riff in mind, a bridge, chorus, catchiness, etc. Can he play any instruments? Anyone know. I remember Perry saying he wrote Party's Over in a hotel room with Schon on guitar and himself on bass.

See my post above.

Cain was asked point blank about the song writing and very diplomatically explained what Arnel contributed to the process.
I think if Arnel had brought into two songs that just needed music, Cain would have said that when asked directly. Every interview, it's a different story.

[Saint John]

They should have given Pacman a writing credit! Perhaps a Pineda/Pacquiao project in the future? Pinman or Pacnel?

[Don]

They should have given Pacman a writing credit! Perhaps a Pineda/Pacquiao project in the future? Pinman or Pacnel?

And bring in Dan Hill also, yeah!

[NoMoreTails]

Had the chance to catch John Waite at the Manship Theatre, in Baton Rouge last Friday. He is extremely talented and the pipes are definitely still strong!

There is no denying the talents of Schon, Cain and Castronovo as well! I would love to see a Bad English reunion before it's too late...

John Waite sings like Davy Jones of the Monkees, and his sparse lyrics are missing about 50% of the word content of a normal verse/chorus... Vince Neil omits words when he sings, but John never wrote them in the first place. Not sure where the talent part comes in.

And Pineda hasn't written a single song. Not sure where the talent part comes.

Actually, Jon said when AP returned from the Philippines he brought She's A Mystery. He also wrote To Whom It May Concern, as we were told way back.
Those are his two songs and JC and Neal just arranged music to them.

Actually this is what Jon said:

rushonrock: Arnel gets a credit as a writer on the new album – how important was it to involve him at this level?

Jonathan Cain: He didn’t have a huge input as a writer but he inspired a lot of the album as a person and that’s why he deserves the credit. A lot of what you hear on Eclipse is about who Arnel is, being a Buddhist and a man of faith. He’s a real renaissance kinda guy. The new record really plugs into the character of Arnel. At the start of the writing process he was off raising money for the charity he fronts to feed kids in Manilla. When he came back he threw himself into his work and made a real contribution to a couple of tracks like She’s A Mystery. He’s bringing something to the table in that respect nowadays. Neal had the music for She’s A Mystery and the two of us sat down with Arnel to complete the song. It was a very rewarding process.

All that said, if the album doesn't move more units, Edwin Pineda might want to hold on to that first royalty payment for TWIMC because they're might not be too many pesos coming after this initial quarter.

It depends on where you read, I guess. This from jonathancain.com

During this time, Arnel had been on a tour raising money for his foundation so he came two weeks before the recording process took place. We wrote “She’s a Mystery" and he brought a fine song with him ”To Whom It May Concern".

.

I had seen this as well and therefore took "He didn’t have a huge input as a writer..." to mean on the album overall, though his contribution evidently was significant on the two tracks.

[steveo777]

Pac Man - redefining kick ass singer. (he can sing and he can also kick your ass)

[Don]

It doesn't really matter anyway, does it? With Eclipse not moving units, it could be a long time if ever when they all get to show their writing chops as a band again. Live albums only need one or two bonus studio cuts so if that is their next effort, Jon and Neal don't need to hunt down AP for that.

[Rockindeano]

It doesn't really matter anyway, does it? With Eclipse not moving units, it could be a long time if ever when they all get to show their writing chops as a band again. Live albums only need one or two bonus studio cuts so if that is their next effort, Jon and Neal don't need to hunt down AP for that.

Seriously, the verdict is still out on Team Cain/Schon as a writing duo. They really haven't done anything since Espee bolted, errr, was fired. Please don't bring up Cains Faithfully....He needed Perry to sing that song for it to be any good. As a trio, there is no question they melded well, but as a duo, nothing.

I cannot believe Cain and Schon can't write a song for a movie. They have Azoff, who was in film for a long time. He could seemingly get them a break for a movie tune. That would put them back on the map, maybe...unless they simply can't put out anything good.

[Don]

It doesn't really matter anyway, does it? With Eclipse not moving units, it could be a long time if ever when they all get to show their writing chops as a band again. Live albums only need one or two bonus studio cuts so if that is their next effort, Jon and Neal don't need to hunt down AP for that.

Seriously, the verdict is still out on Team Cain/Schon as a writing duo. They really haven't done anything since Espee bolted, errr, was fired. Please don't bring up Cains Faithfully....He needed Perry to sing that song for it to be any good. As a trio, there is no question they melded well, but as a duo, nothing.

I cannot believe Cain and Schon can't write a song for a movie. They have Azoff, who was in film for a long time. He could seemingly get them a break for a movie tune. That would put them back on the map, maybe...unless they simply can't put out anything good.

Who want's new Journey for a movie? Old Journey is killing it on DVD sales. Shrek, Monsters VS Aliens, Bed Time Stories, Sopranos finale season DVD, etc. That's over ten million discs sold in the last two years. Royalty wise, that is as good as having a single going diamond status by itself.

Everyone in the movie biz knows to get Journey tunes you just contact Columbia's licensing department. Why make it difficult in having to deal with Azoff?

[Gideon]

Please don't bring up Cains Faithfully....He needed Perry to sing that song for it to be any good.

I realize that it's nothing new around here to give Perry all the credit for every single ounce of success, but this sort of logic has never really worked. If it was all about the voice and nothing else, wouldn't every song with Perry's voice on it be a Top 10 hit? Allmusic.com's review of For the Love of Strange Medicine sums it up perfectly:

The end of the album has Perry sounding extra thin in songs like "Missing You" and "Somewhere There's Hope," ample evidence that, in Steve Perry's case, it takes more than just a superb voice to carry an album.

[Michigan Girl]

Please don't bring up Cains Faithfully....He needed Perry to sing that song for it to be any good.

I realize that it's nothing new around here to give Perry all the credit for every single ounce of success, but this sort of logic has never really worked. If it was all about the voice and nothing else, wouldn't every song with Perry's voice on it be a Top 10 hit? Allmusic.com's review of For the Love of Strange Medicine sums it up perfectly:

The end of the album has Perry sounding extra thin in songs like "Missing You" and "Somewhere There's Hope," ample evidence that, in Steve Perry's case, it takes more than just a superb voice to carry an album.

Absolutely, or it would have been equally as successful w/AP on pipes, JC on pipes ...etc..

[Gideon]

Absolutely, or it would have been equally as successful w/AP on pipes, JC on pipes ...etc..

Nice joke.
The logic, again, doesn't fly. No one's saying that Perry's voice didn't contribute to the success, but what you're saying isn't true: 'Faithfully' was released damn near 30 years ago; simply because cover versions didn't become successful in this drastically different musical climate doesn't mean that Perry's voice was the sole reason for its success. Again, by your reckoning, if it is solely because of the voice.... You Better Wait" or "Missing You" should have been Top 10 hits... but they weren't.

[Michigan Girl]

Absolutely, or it would have been equally as successful w/AP on pipes, JC on pipes ...etc..

Nice joke.
The logic, again, doesn't fly. No one's saying that Perry's voice didn't contribute to the success, but what you're saying isn't true: 'Faithfully' was released damn near 30 years ago; simply because cover versions didn't become successful in this drastically different musical climate doesn't mean that Perry's voice was the sole reason for its success. Again, by your reckoning, if it is solely because of the voice.... You Better Wait" or "Missing You" should have been Top 10 hits... but they weren't.

I'm not joking ...I agree w/the formula theory, you are just always
trying to remove yet another part of the formula, deary ...guilty as anyone making
claims that Perry was the sole reason for success!! You can prove success in his absence
as well as they can prove success in the absence of another ...don't try!!

[Gideon]

you are just always
trying to remove yet another part of the formula, deary ...guilty as anyone making
claims that Perry was the sole reason for success!!

Now I know you're joking.
I've never denied that Perry was a critical component of Journey's success and, in fact, have always acknowledged him as such. If you can ever produce a quote from me saying anything contrariwise, I'll retract it immediately and apologize for my heathen ways.



Buuuut I'm betting you can't.

[Michigan Girl]

you are just always
trying to remove yet another part of the formula, deary ...guilty as anyone making
claims that Perry was the sole reason for success!!

Now I know you're joking.
I've never denied that Perry was a critical component of Journey's success and, in fact, have always acknowledged him as such. If you can ever produce a quote from me saying anything contrariwise, I'll retract it immediately and apologize for my heathen ways.



Buuuut I'm betting you can't.

I hope I can't ... you sure do love to instigate!!
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