Journey-VH1 behind the music extended version

[Gideon]

Nope..just the smell of blood and it's yours.

I hope you're bringing some sharks with you.... guppy.

[portland]

Nope..just the smell of blood and it's yours.

I hope you're bringing some sharks with you.... guppy.

Nope on my own there...skippy.

[Gideon]

Nope on my own there...skippy.

Then you must be hoping my foot will get seriously fucked up after the drumbeat it'll compose on your ass... because that's the only way I'll be bleeding from you.

[portland]

Nope on my own there...skippy.

Then you must be hoping my foot will get seriously fucked up after the drumbeat it'll compose on your ass... because that's the only way I'll be bleeding from you.

I don't care if you bleed or not...I am right and that is all that counts!

[Gideon]

I am right and that is all that counts!

Whatever helps you sleep at night (in your padded room).

[portland]

I am right and that is all that counts!

Whatever helps you sleep at night (in your padded room).

We have those where I work...they look comfy..you have spent time in one???

[Gideon]

We have those where I work...

Ohhhh, I see. You "work" there. You test straightjackets professionally, then?

[portland]

We have those where I work...

Ohhhh, I see. You "work" there. You test straightjackets professionally, then?

No we use drugs...lots of them!!!

[Gideon]

No we use drugs...lots of them!!!

That should be the Loon credo.

[annie89509]

Herbie is simply a genius of a man. He made Journey and pioneered the stadium rock business. He should get far more credit.

My favorite Herbie quote was from the Castle's Burning interview I think when he was asked why he had never talked about Journey or given an in depth interview. He said 'Because no one ever asked me to.." Awesome.

Can't help wondering about all that anguish (those fools....they coulda been as big as the Beatles!!!) turned into bitterness coming outta mouth of HH...all because he thought he missed out being the next Brian Epstein. Instead, he's just another has-been, a nobody, ex-manager of rock bands.

[Glenn]

And I quote, 'Right now..uh...I think about touring alot...in fact I've been talking about it.'

Yeah, ok Steve....when was that Director's cut? '02?

Still Waiting.....

LOL ... Is it me or did Perry really come off looking like an ass most of that show?

[Glenn]

Yeah...it's all Perry's fault...my ass.

I can't watch it....to this day.

Issues...

[george_g]

And I quote, 'Right now..uh...I think about touring alot...in fact I've been talking about it.'

Yeah, ok Steve....when was that Director's cut? '02?

Still Waiting.....

LOL ... Is it me or did Perry really come off looking like an ass most of that show?

He had some arrogance in this eyes and words at times . for example when he was saying he talks about touring, when he sacked smith and valory 'knowing what i know now i wouldn't have done it' instead of 'well i'm sorry' , when he said 'it was scary at times' being popular (!!)

[Glenn]

And I quote, 'Right now..uh...I think about touring alot...in fact I've been talking about it.'

Yeah, ok Steve....when was that Director's cut? '02?

Still Waiting.....

LOL ... Is it me or did Perry really come off looking like an ass most of that show?

He had some arrogance in this eyes and words at times . for example when he was saying he talks about touring, when he sacked smith and valory 'knowing what i know now i wouldn't have done it' instead of 'well i'm sorry' , when he said 'it was scary at times' being popular (!!)

I wish Ross or Smitty would have knocked his teeth out after being "dismissed".

[george_g]

And I quote, 'Right now..uh...I think about touring alot...in fact I've been talking about it.'

Yeah, ok Steve....when was that Director's cut? '02?

Still Waiting.....

LOL ... Is it me or did Perry really come off looking like an ass most of that show?

He had some arrogance in this eyes and words at times . for example when he was saying he talks about touring, when he sacked smith and valory 'knowing what i know now i wouldn't have done it' instead of 'well i'm sorry' , when he said 'it was scary at times' being popular (!!)

I wish Ross or Smitty would have knocked his teeth out after being "dismissed".

Not only they didn't but Smith left also because Perry left !!

[Jana]

And I quote, 'Right now..uh...I think about touring alot...in fact I've been talking about it.'

Yeah, ok Steve....when was that Director's cut? '02?

Still Waiting.....

LOL ... Is it me or did Perry really come off looking like an ass most of that show?

He had some arrogance in this eyes and words at times . for example when he was saying he talks about touring, when he sacked smith and valory 'knowing what i know now i wouldn't have done it' instead of 'well i'm sorry' , when he said 'it was scary at times' being popular (!!)

I wish Ross or Smitty would have knocked his teeth out after being "dismissed".

Not only they didn't but Smith left also because Perry left !!

And Yet Perry won't talk to him or keep in contact with Smitty, and Neal does keep in contact with Smitty.

[Glenn]

And I quote, 'Right now..uh...I think about touring alot...in fact I've been talking about it.'

Yeah, ok Steve....when was that Director's cut? '02?

Still Waiting.....

LOL ... Is it me or did Perry really come off looking like an ass most of that show?

He had some arrogance in this eyes and words at times . for example when he was saying he talks about touring, when he sacked smith and valory 'knowing what i know now i wouldn't have done it' instead of 'well i'm sorry' , when he said 'it was scary at times' being popular (!!)

I wish Ross or Smitty would have knocked his teeth out after being "dismissed".

Not only they didn't but Smith left also because Perry left !!

And Yet Perry won't talk to him or keep in contact with Smitty, and Neal does keep in contact with Smitty.

Perry = Douche

was Smitty the classiest member of Journey ? Never heard a bad story about him. Even, when deciding not to continue, helped Deen to get acclimated.

[Gideon]

I really have a hard time believing that SS's decision not to return to Journey in '98 is the result of loyalty to Perry alone, as some have propogated around here.

[Don]

I really have a hard time believing that SS's decision not to return to Journey in '98 is the result of loyalty to Perry alone, as some have propogated around here.

I thought it was more along the lines of him not seeing Journey as successful act moving on without Perry. In that regard, he was right to a point. It took time, hard work and bit of luck for the band to finally recapture some of their past glory.

[Gideon]

I thought it was more along the lines of him not seeing Journey as successful act moving on without Perry. In that regard, he was right to a point. It took time, hard work and bit of luck for the band to finally recapture some of their past glory.

I'm not sure that's quite the case, either. Consider that even a Perryless Journey absolutely shitstomps Vital Information and the totality of Steve Smith's ventures.
I'd say, based on his words, his heart wasn't in Journey or Journey's music anymore unless it was with the entire classic lineup. The guy admits to his frustration with Perry pretty much putting Smith's life on hold, so I really doubt he has any personal loyalty to him.

[Don]

I thought it was more along the lines of him not seeing Journey as successful act moving on without Perry. In that regard, he was right to a point. It took time, hard work and bit of luck for the band to finally recapture some of their past glory.

I'm not sure that's quite the case, either. Consider that even a Perryless Journey absolutely shitstomps Vital Information and the totality of Steve Smith's ventures.
I'd say, based on his words, his heart wasn't in Journey or Journey's music anymore unless it was with the entire classic lineup. The guy admits to his frustration with Perry pretty much putting Smith's life on hold, so I really doubt he has any personal loyalty to him.

I agree with you, I don't think loyalty had anything to do with it.




So how long were you with Journey in the end?

I was with them from 1978 to 1985, a total of 7 straight years.

And for what reason did you find enough was enough?

Well, that’s a whole drama unto itself when a band melts down. It all came to a head when we were working on the “Raised On Radio” record. Philosophically I’ve looked back at that time and I can see that when a band first gets together their energy is focused on writing songs and touring and being successful. There are common goals and a common focus that gives a band a synergy that is very unifying. Once those goals are met then the question is “okay, now what”? I do think for most creative musicians you don’t want to do the same thing over and over again and stay in the same group. Once the band goals are met with successful records and big tours what becomes important are the goals of the individuals, it’s a natural progression.

But some fans and gossip magazines always seem to look at that situation and ask “why did the band fall apart, why did they break up”? “Who was at fault, who were the prima-donnas and bad guys”? In my opinion, bands break up for a few main reasons: they get burned out because they work too much, they fall into petty squabbling because of being together all of the time, and they break up because the band members move to the next logical stage of personal and musical development. From my perspective all of that occurred with Journey. After we reached our group goals, I wanted to play jazz, the singer wanted to sing more R&B inspired rock, the guitar player wanted to play more progressive hard rock, so as far as I’m concerned it’s all okay, let’s just do our own things. But with so many pressures trying to keep a band together: the fans love the group, we’re making a lot money for the record company, we’re making money for promoters, and we’re all making money ourselves, there are a lot of conflicting interests. For me, I surrendered to the music I wanted to play, I let go of the financial aspect; “yes we’re making a lot of money which is really fun but I’d rather play the music I really want to play”. After a while it was not musically rewarding for me to continue in that direction. I can talk about it like this now but I wasn’t so insightful and clear thinking in those days. The decisions and the conflicts were difficult and at times painful.

In 1996 you got back with Journey didn''t you?

Yes, we did get together in 1996 and resolved our differences of how and why things fell apart in 1985. It was a very good experience and we made an album of new material called "Trial By Fire". I feel it’s one of our best records and it sold over a million copies when it was released.

After the “Trial By Fire” recording we were supposed to do a tour and that tour never occurred. In ‘96 I signed on to be a Journey band member for the duration of the recording and the tour that was supposed to follow. What ended up happening is that it took us close to a year to write and record the album, which was fine, but then the tour kept getting delayed and during that time my life was on hold. That felt very restrictive after being a free agent for 11 years. During that waiting period if I wanted to do a drum clinic or a jazz gig I had to call the manager to see if the time was available. Usually the answer was “No, you can’t do it, there could be a rehearsal during that time.” After a while I could see that I didn’t like living in the kind of situation where I had to run everything by management and the other band members, it felt very restrictive.

It was finally decided that Journey would not go on tour and I had spent one year waiting for that news. At that point I decided my focus needed to be on my own career, as an artist.

[Gideon]

Excellent.
My intuition is impeccable.

[george_g]

I thought it was more along the lines of him not seeing Journey as successful act moving on without Perry. In that regard, he was right to a point. It took time, hard work and bit of luck for the band to finally recapture some of their past glory.

I'm not sure that's quite the case, either. Consider that even a Perryless Journey absolutely shitstomps Vital Information and the totality of Steve Smith's ventures.
I'd say, based on his words, his heart wasn't in Journey or Journey's music anymore unless it was with the entire classic lineup. The guy admits to his frustration with Perry pretty much putting Smith's life on hold, so I really doubt he has any personal loyalty to him.

I agree with you, I don't think loyalty had anything to do with it.




So how long were you with Journey in the end?

I was with them from 1978 to 1985, a total of 7 straight years.

And for what reason did you find enough was enough?

Well, that’s a whole drama unto itself when a band melts down. It all came to a head when we were working on the “Raised On Radio” record. Philosophically I’ve looked back at that time and I can see that when a band first gets together their energy is focused on writing songs and touring and being successful. There are common goals and a common focus that gives a band a synergy that is very unifying. Once those goals are met then the question is “okay, now what”? I do think for most creative musicians you don’t want to do the same thing over and over again and stay in the same group. Once the band goals are met with successful records and big tours what becomes important are the goals of the individuals, it’s a natural progression.

But some fans and gossip magazines always seem to look at that situation and ask “why did the band fall apart, why did they break up”? “Who was at fault, who were the prima-donnas and bad guys”? In my opinion, bands break up for a few main reasons: they get burned out because they work too much, they fall into petty squabbling because of being together all of the time, and they break up because the band members move to the next logical stage of personal and musical development. From my perspective all of that occurred with Journey. After we reached our group goals, I wanted to play jazz, the singer wanted to sing more R&B inspired rock, the guitar player wanted to play more progressive hard rock, so as far as I’m concerned it’s all okay, let’s just do our own things. But with so many pressures trying to keep a band together: the fans love the group, we’re making a lot money for the record company, we’re making money for promoters, and we’re all making money ourselves, there are a lot of conflicting interests. For me, I surrendered to the music I wanted to play, I let go of the financial aspect; “yes we’re making a lot of money which is really fun but I’d rather play the music I really want to play”. After a while it was not musically rewarding for me to continue in that direction. I can talk about it like this now but I wasn’t so insightful and clear thinking in those days. The decisions and the conflicts were difficult and at times painful.

In 1996 you got back with Journey didn''t you?

Yes, we did get together in 1996 and resolved our differences of how and why things fell apart in 1985. It was a very good experience and we made an album of new material called "Trial By Fire". I feel it’s one of our best records and it sold over a million copies when it was released.

After the “Trial By Fire” recording we were supposed to do a tour and that tour never occurred. In ‘96 I signed on to be a Journey band member for the duration of the recording and the tour that was supposed to follow. What ended up happening is that it took us close to a year to write and record the album, which was fine, but then the tour kept getting delayed and during that time my life was on hold. That felt very restrictive after being a free agent for 11 years. During that waiting period if I wanted to do a drum clinic or a jazz gig I had to call the manager to see if the time was available. Usually the answer was “No, you can’t do it, there could be a rehearsal during that time.” After a while I could see that I didn’t like living in the kind of situation where I had to run everything by management and the other band members, it felt very restrictive.

It was finally decided that Journey would not go on tour and I had spent one year waiting for that news. At that point I decided my focus needed to be on my own career, as an artist.

C'mom what would you expect him to say ? Perry fired me??

[george_g]

I thought it was more along the lines of him not seeing Journey as successful act moving on without Perry. In that regard, he was right to a point. It took time, hard work and bit of luck for the band to finally recapture some of their past glory.

I'm not sure that's quite the case, either. Consider that even a Perryless Journey absolutely shitstomps Vital Information and the totality of Steve Smith's ventures.
I'd say, based on his words, his heart wasn't in Journey or Journey's music anymore unless it was with the entire classic lineup. The guy admits to his frustration with Perry pretty much putting Smith's life on hold, so I really doubt he has any personal loyalty to him.

I agree with you, I don't think loyalty had anything to do with it.




So how long were you with Journey in the end?

I was with them from 1978 to 1985, a total of 7 straight years.

And for what reason did you find enough was enough?

Well, that’s a whole drama unto itself when a band melts down. It all came to a head when we were working on the “Raised On Radio” record. Philosophically I’ve looked back at that time and I can see that when a band first gets together their energy is focused on writing songs and touring and being successful. There are common goals and a common focus that gives a band a synergy that is very unifying. Once those goals are met then the question is “okay, now what”? I do think for most creative musicians you don’t want to do the same thing over and over again and stay in the same group. Once the band goals are met with successful records and big tours what becomes important are the goals of the individuals, it’s a natural progression.

But some fans and gossip magazines always seem to look at that situation and ask “why did the band fall apart, why did they break up”? “Who was at fault, who were the prima-donnas and bad guys”? In my opinion, bands break up for a few main reasons: they get burned out because they work too much, they fall into petty squabbling because of being together all of the time, and they break up because the band members move to the next logical stage of personal and musical development. From my perspective all of that occurred with Journey. After we reached our group goals, I wanted to play jazz, the singer wanted to sing more R&B inspired rock, the guitar player wanted to play more progressive hard rock, so as far as I’m concerned it’s all okay, let’s just do our own things. But with so many pressures trying to keep a band together: the fans love the group, we’re making a lot money for the record company, we’re making money for promoters, and we’re all making money ourselves, there are a lot of conflicting interests. For me, I surrendered to the music I wanted to play, I let go of the financial aspect; “yes we’re making a lot of money which is really fun but I’d rather play the music I really want to play”. After a while it was not musically rewarding for me to continue in that direction. I can talk about it like this now but I wasn’t so insightful and clear thinking in those days. The decisions and the conflicts were difficult and at times painful.

In 1996 you got back with Journey didn''t you?

Yes, we did get together in 1996 and resolved our differences of how and why things fell apart in 1985. It was a very good experience and we made an album of new material called "Trial By Fire". I feel it’s one of our best records and it sold over a million copies when it was released.

After the “Trial By Fire” recording we were supposed to do a tour and that tour never occurred. In ‘96 I signed on to be a Journey band member for the duration of the recording and the tour that was supposed to follow. What ended up happening is that it took us close to a year to write and record the album, which was fine, but then the tour kept getting delayed and during that time my life was on hold. That felt very restrictive after being a free agent for 11 years. During that waiting period if I wanted to do a drum clinic or a jazz gig I had to call the manager to see if the time was available. Usually the answer was “No, you can’t do it, there could be a rehearsal during that time.” After a while I could see that I didn’t like living in the kind of situation where I had to run everything by management and the other band members, it felt very restrictive.

It was finally decided that Journey would not go on tour and I had spent one year waiting for that news. At that point I decided my focus needed to be on my own career, as an artist.

C'mon what would you expect him to say ? Perry fired me??

[Gideon]

C'mom what would you expect him to say ? Perry fired me??

Why not? It's the truth and hardly inflammatory.

[steveo777]

What I don't understand it why these guys can't just have a sit down and patch their differences.
So Perry isn't gonna sing anymore....I think everyone realizes that, but it doesn't mean they
couldn't collaborate.

[Gideon]

What I don't understand it why these guys can't just have a sit down and patch their differences.
So Perry isn't gonna sing anymore....I think everyone realizes that, but it doesn't mean they
couldn't collaborate.

That would be nice, but things ended far too harshly for that to happen.

[slucero]

And for what reason did you find enough was enough?

Well, that’s a whole drama unto itself when a band melts down. It all came to a head when we were working on the “Raised On Radio” record. Philosophically
I’ve looked back at that time and I can see that when a band first gets together their energy is focused on writing songs and touring and being successful. There are common goals and a common focus that gives a band a synergy that is very unifying. Once those goals are met then the question is “okay, now what”? I do think for most creative musicians you don’t want to do the same thing over and over again and stay in the same group.

Once the band goals are met with successful records and big tours what becomes important are the goals of the individuals, it’s a natural progression.

But some fans and gossip magazines always seem to look at that situation and ask “why did the band fall apart, why did they break up”? “Who was at fault, who were the prima-donnas and bad guys”? In my opinion, bands break up for a few main reasons: they get burned out because they work too much, they fall into petty squabbling because of being together all of the time, and they break up because the band members move to the next logical stage of personal and musical development. From my perspective all of that occurred with Journey.

After we reached our group goals,

I wanted to play jazz,
the singer wanted to sing more R&B inspired rock,
the guitar player wanted to play more progressive hard rock,

so as far as I’m concerned it’s all okay, let’s just do our own things. But with so many pressures trying to keep a band together: the fans love the group, we’re making a lot money for the record company, we’re making money for promoters, and we’re all making money ourselves, there are a lot of conflicting interests. For me, I surrendered to the music I wanted to play, I let go of the financial aspect; “yes we’re making a lot of money which is really fun but I’d rather play the music I really want to play”. After a while it was not musically rewarding for me to continue in that direction. I can talk about it like this now but I wasn’t so insightful and clear thinking in those days. The decisions and the conflicts were difficult and at times painful.

That pretty much sums it up..

[RSParker]

Yes.

And I quote, 'Right now..uh...I think about touring alot...in fact I've been talking about it.'

Yeah, ok Steve....when was that Director's cut? '02?

Still Waiting.....

LOL ... Is it me or did Perry really come off looking like an ass most of that show?