Eclipse Billboard - Flop

[portland]

Nov 07, 2010 4:35 am

portland
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Joined: 06 Apr 2009
Posts: 7140
Location: Maine



Infinity 3.5
Evolution 4.0
Departure 4.0
Escape 5.0
Frontiers 4.0
Raised On Radio 4.0
Trial By Fire 4.0
Arrival 2.5
Generations 1.0
Revelation 1.0

If that's how you express your love, you're one brutal lady.

What it 's above Revelation that's all I said..Giddy

[Gideon]

I think that after what has come after Arrival I should be thankful for what was.....don't get me wrong...I don't want
anyone at the helm other than Perry...but Arrival was much better than what is out now.

That's the difference.
You have made it unambiguous from day one that the only factor you seem to care about in Journey is Perry. And how it comes across is that, to you, the rest of Journey is simply a reasonably talented backing band; basically, you seem to be more of a Perry fan than a Journey fan.
Does that mean you're a "real fan" of Journey? Maybe, maybe not. But, in my experience, that's what separates a Loon from the typical fan of the classic lineup.

[Gideon]

What it 's above Revelation that's all I said..Giddy

Yeah well I love Arrival so where does that put me???

^ If that's not you or your words, you'd better tell Andrew you've got a wayward clone here.

[portland]

I think that after what has come after Arrival I should be thankful for what was.....don't get me wrong...I don't want
anyone at the helm other than Perry...but Arrival was much better than what is out now.

That's the difference.
You have made it unambiguous from day one that the only factor you seem to care about in Journey is Perry. And how it comes across is that, to you, the rest of Journey is simply a reasonably talented backing band; basically, you seem to be more of a Perry fan than a Journey fan.
Does that mean you're a "real fan" of Journey? Maybe, maybe not. But, in my experience, that's what separates a Loon from the typical fan of the classic lineup.

Well color me purple...I just love you blessings!!!

[portland]

What it 's above Revelation that's all I said..Giddy

Yeah well I love Arrival so where does that put me???

^ If that's not you or your words, you'd better tell Andrew you've got a wayward clone here.

Um Andrew knows me....so well no dice.

[Gideon]

Your defensiveness is perplexing.
No one is attacking, insulting, or even being remotely unkind to you.
The director's cut of BTM must have really pissed you off.

[portland]

Your defensiveness is perplexing.
No one is attacking, insulting, or even being remotely unkind to you.
The director's cut of BTM must have really pissed you off.

Nope just bored and you???

[Gideon]

Nope just bored and you???

Same.
When I'm bored, I Loon hunt.

[portland]

Nope just bored and you???

Same.
When I'm bored, I Loon hunt.

Well than you need to go downstairs Giddy.

[Gideon]

Well than you need to go downstairs Giddy.

Subtle.
Buy me dinner first, then we'll talk about all that.

[portland]

Well than you need to go downstairs Giddy.

Subtle.
Buy me dinner first, then we'll talk about all that.

\



Night...Giddy...in your dreams!

[Gideon]

Night...Giddy...in your dreams!

[Tito]

I'll say a few tracks on "Eclipse" sort of caught my attention, but overall there is definitely some "x-factor" missing IMO. With "Revelation", I was definitely a little more into the album as a whole. I'll even go so far as to say "Where Did I Lose Your Love" ranks up there with one of my favorite Journey songs period. I don't know, "Eclipse" just seems to be missing something I can't really put my finger on.

BINGO!

I also agree with Strangegrey, there are good parts in a lot, if not all, of the songs but most of the songs are incomplete. COL, EOTM, Reasonate, Ritual, and I'll officially throw in AIP are good to great songs (especially the first 3 or 4 I mentioned). But, the others - they miss. Some a little, some a little more.

[steveo777]

I'll say a few tracks on "Eclipse" sort of caught my attention, but overall there is definitely some "x-factor" missing IMO. With "Revelation", I was definitely a little more into the album as a whole. I'll even go so far as to say "Where Did I Lose Your Love" ranks up there with one of my favorite Journey songs period. I don't know, "Eclipse" just seems to be missing something I can't really put my finger on.

BINGO!

I also agree with Strangegrey, there are good parts in a lot, if not all, of the songs but most of the songs are incomplete. COL, EOTM, Reasonate, Ritual, and I'll officially throw in AIP are good to great songs (especially the first 3 or 4 I mentioned). But, the others - they miss. Some a little, some a little more.

If this band produced 2 really good songs at this point in their careers, that's much more than most other nostalgia bands give us. It's good, eh?
I mean, really, what can people expect? I'm in the camp of being appreciative that they put forth the effort for us. The rest can just
go suck off an elephant dick. There is a "certain" group here that will say anything in an attempt to derail this or any other album this band produces.
Most people here are keen to this, thus negating such attempts. I'm sure it pisses some people off to no end that this band, despite the fact certain
circles wants to hate them and want them to fail, keeps proving they are worthy of fan's admiration.

Not to go too deep, but this is a dysfuntional family we have right here on MR.

[Argus]

This fan base has been a dysfunctional family for more than 30 years JRNY fans, gotta love them but they do tend to make one crazy

[annie89509]

TBF is worth the price alone just for Smith's drumming and Neal's great tone and tasteful licks.

The fact that Perry was no longer a superhuman singer, I think, enabled the rest of the band to flex their muscles on TBF to compensate for his faltering range. Which is why it's my favorite Journey album bar none.
That said, TBF is the only album that Steve Smith did with Journey that ever had me believing he was some sort of percussion heavyweight. I'm no drummer, but his technique on previous albums for the most part seemed restrained and simplistic. He references this in the Behind the Music Director's Cut by saying before the 1996 reunion, he was still in his musical apprenticeship in technique.
But on TBF, he was godly.

Agreed. Sounds awful, but I was never all that impressed with Smitty until TBF. Deen turns in a killer performance on Eclipse, but wish he played with a little more subtlety.

Expanding on the SS discussion, so many of the hardcores consistently bring up the “firings” during ROR sessions. SP himself said he regretted it. For his part, in a couple of Drummer Mag articles (a few years after ROR and then around TBF) when asked for the circumstance surrounding his dismissal, Smitty explained that a majority of the songs on ROR called for click tracks, and at his level of training up to that point, he just wasn’t proficient enough to play that way. He went on to say that he picked up on it later…getting work as a session player on other artist’s records...that if you want work as a sessions drummer, you better know how to play with a click track. And, by the time TBF rolled around, he could play anything.

I think that’s why he never said a bad word or took shots at SP for the firing (unlike many posters here), instead taking some blame for it himself.

[yulog]

Yeah well I love Arrival so where does that put me???

Since when? I thought you only liked half the album, or was that someone else? Perhaps I need to go quote-fishing.

Go ahead...since Revelation and Eclipse...I have come to LOVE Arrival.

I think that after what has come after Arrival I should be thankful for what was.....don't get me wrong...I don't want
anyone at the helm other than Perry...but Arrival was much better than what is out now.

Tell em sista!!

[annie89509]

Butting your head against the wall, Giddy.

Doesn't that technically make me a butthead?

If Perry sang these songs with a lesser ability, they would be brilliant.

I definitely don't subscribe to Dan's belief that Perry circa TBF sucks, but Arnel definitely sings circles around him since FTLOSM.
Nonetheless, I dare say you're correct.

Taking a page from Deb, what does range have to do with enjoyment of a song? As Deb would say...it's all about the delivery, heart and soul of the singer. All being subjective, of course. I do like a few songs from each of the post-Perry albums, but I would take TBF over any and all of them.

And those songs I like from the post-Perry albums...yes, if Perry sang them, they would be brilliant!!!

[annie89509]

Nov 07, 2010 4:35 am

portland
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Joined: 06 Apr 2009
Posts: 7140
Location: Maine



Infinity 3.5
Evolution 4.0
Departure 4.0
Escape 5.0
Frontiers 4.0
Raised On Radio 4.0
Trial By Fire 4.0
Arrival 2.5
Generations 1.0
Revelation 1.0

If that's how you express your love, you're one brutal lady.

lol...I think pulling out this post from Portland only re-affirmed what she's been saying on these pages all along.

[Glenn]

I think that after what has come after Arrival I should be thankful for what was.....don't get me wrong...I don't want
anyone at the helm other than Perry...but Arrival was much better than what is out now.

That's the difference.
You have made it unambiguous from day one that the only factor you seem to care about in Journey is Perry. And how it comes across is that, to you, the rest of Journey is simply a reasonably talented backing band; basically, you seem to be more of a Perry fan than a Journey fan.
Does that mean you're a "real fan" of Journey? Maybe, maybe not. But, in my experience, that's what separates a Loon from the typical fan of the classic lineup.

She's in a "classification" all by herself.

[donnaplease]

I think that after what has come after Arrival I should be thankful for what was.....don't get me wrong...I don't want
anyone at the helm other than Perry...but Arrival was much better than what is out now.

That's the difference.
You have made it unambiguous from day one that the only factor you seem to care about in Journey is Perry. And how it comes across is that, to you, the rest of Journey is simply a reasonably talented backing band; basically, you seem to be more of a Perry fan than a Journey fan.
Does that mean you're a "real fan" of Journey? Maybe, maybe not. But, in my experience, that's what separates a Loon from the typical fan of the classic lineup.

She's in a "classification" all by herself.

Although a self-professed loon, I would think that even the looniest of the loons agrees that sum of the parts is greater than any individual in the equation. I would bet that Portland thinks along those lines as well.

[Tito]

I'll say a few tracks on "Eclipse" sort of caught my attention, but overall there is definitely some "x-factor" missing IMO. With "Revelation", I was definitely a little more into the album as a whole. I'll even go so far as to say "Where Did I Lose Your Love" ranks up there with one of my favorite Journey songs period. I don't know, "Eclipse" just seems to be missing something I can't really put my finger on.

BINGO!

I also agree with Strangegrey, there are good parts in a lot, if not all, of the songs but most of the songs are incomplete. COL, EOTM, Reasonate, Ritual, and I'll officially throw in AIP are good to great songs (especially the first 3 or 4 I mentioned). But, the others - they miss. Some a little, some a little more.

If this band produced 2 really good songs at this point in their careers, that's much more than most other nostalgia bands give us. It's good, eh?
I mean, really, what can people expect? I'm in the camp of being appreciative that they put forth the effort for us. The rest can just
go suck off an elephant dick. There is a "certain" group here that will say anything in an attempt to derail this or any other album this band produces.
Most people here are keen to this, thus negating such attempts. I'm sure it pisses some people off to no end that this band, despite the fact certain
circles wants to hate them and want them to fail, keeps proving they are worthy of fan's admiration.

Not to go too deep, but this is a dysfuntional family we have right here on MR.

I am NO Journey hater. As a matter of fact, this is probably the closest I've ever said anything negative about them i.e. this CD in all of my MR posts. But, I got to be consistent and call like it is. None of the songs suck, they just miss something. There are 3 very good to great songs and 2 others that are good too. I could appreciate what they try to do in Tantra and She's a Mystery, but again something is missing in those songs. Ironically, the thing I think drags some of the songs are the (big) choruses. I don't know if I can say the band, at least management, truly cared about this CD as there was 0 promotion.

I'm a huge Jon Cain defender as well.

[portland]

I think that after what has come after Arrival I should be thankful for what was.....don't get me wrong...I don't want
anyone at the helm other than Perry...but Arrival was much better than what is out now.

That's the difference.
You have made it unambiguous from day one that the only factor you seem to care about in Journey is Perry. And how it comes across is that, to you, the rest of Journey is simply a reasonably talented backing band; basically, you seem to be more of a Perry fan than a Journey fan.
Does that mean you're a "real fan" of Journey? Maybe, maybe not. But, in my experience, that's what separates a Loon from the typical fan of the classic lineup.

She's in a "classification" all by herself.

Although a self-professed loon, I would think that even the looniest of the loons agrees that sum of the parts is greater than any individual in the equation. I would bet that Portland thinks along those lines as well.

Yes I do.

[Gideon]

Yes I do.

[bluejeangirl76]

I wish I'd taken a picture to prove this, since I might enter a Walmart once or twice a year, if that - but I found it funny when I was there on Saturday that among their display of big selling or most popular CDs, or whatever they call it (maybe it's called "Top Hits, or something? You know, the ones on the top shelf with the blue thing behind it where they highlight certain titles...) - they featured Essential Journey - and there was just one left. In the regular A-Z section as well as the new release cap, they had Eclipse and there were at lease 50 of them between both places, (maybe it was more, with that shitty packaging they could certainly fit a lot in there) it looked like it was stocked and never touched.

I remember the same thing with Revelation too except their featured titles shelf had Greatest Hits on it. I think I remember posting about it too.

And it's nothing to do with my opinion of Eclipse either... it's just that to see Walmart pushing Essential and GH in conjunction with these releases is pretty funny.

[Michigan Girl]

If this band produced 2 really good songs at this point in their careers, that's much more than most other nostalgia bands give us. It's good, eh?
I mean, really, what can people expect? I'm in the camp of being appreciative that they put forth the effort for us. The rest can just
go suck off an elephant dick. There is a "certain" group here that will say anything in an attempt to derail this or any other album this band produces.
Most people here are keen to this, thus negating such attempts. I'm sure it pisses some people off to no end that this band, despite the fact certain
circles wants to hate them and want them to fail, keeps proving they are worthy of fan's admiration.

Not to go too deep, but this is a dysfuntional family we have right here on MR.

I am NO Journey hater. As a matter of fact, this is probably the closest I've ever said anything negative about them i.e. this CD in all of my MR posts. But, I got to be consistent and call like it is. None of the songs suck, they just miss something. There are 3 very good to great songs and 2 others that are good too. I could appreciate what they try to do in Tantra and She's a Mystery, but again something is missing in those songs. Ironically, the thing I think drags some of the songs are the (big) choruses. I don't know if I can say the band, at least management, truly cared about this CD as there was 0 promotion.

I'm a huge Jon Cain defender as well.

The fact that you are even explaining youself, or your stance, to idiots who
will only accept raving reviews whether one likes it or not, makes me want to puke...
also makes me wish I hated this as much as I disliked Revelation!!

[RedWingFan]

So where does the cd rank on billboard this week?

[Don]

So where does the cd rank on billboard this week?

To early to tell. I think this week it might fall out of Top 100, like it has in the UK.
There's no airplay and with Def Leppard, Jackie Evancho and other high profile releases debuting this month, shelf space might not start disappearing also.

[jrny84]

So where does the cd rank on billboard this week?

To early to tell. I think this week it might fall out of Top 100, like it has in the UK.
There's no airplay and with Def Leppard, Jackie Evancho and other high profile releases debuting this month, shelf space might not start disappearing also.

Yeah its basically done with the U.S. charts. If it does stay on billboard, it will probably be hanging on by a thread. I dont think to many people get this new cd or find any specific song appealing enough to listen to it over and over. Its basically dead on arrival.

[Tito]

The fact that you are even explaining youself, or your stance, to idiots who
will only accept raving reviews whether one likes it or not, makes me want to puke...
also makes me wish I hated this as much as I disliked Revelation!!

Like everyone has said the CD sounds good regardless if one likes the songs. I agreed but didn't realize how good it sounded until this morning, when my back speakers in my car kicked back in this morning. The CD sound incredible, better than I knew. My back speakers haven't work in years. Thanks Journey!