Another Cain interview.

[conversationpc]

Why couldn't they be married?!?!

I was kind of thinking the same thing. The song itself doesn't actually state that you should go out and have sex with someone you're not married to.

I didn't really mean to say it was. It was just my poor recollection of a previous discussion. I actually don't dislike the song. The solo by Neal in that song is smokin'.

[Gideon]

Why couldn't they be married?!?!

I was kind of thinking the same thing. The song itself doesn't actually state that you should go out and have sex with someone you're not married to.

"Lay It Down" promotes a life filled with "whiskey, wine, and women" with gratuitous references to double shots and vertical persuasion. (Though I suppose one can see the merit in some of that. )
People who accept utter lyrical shit like "Homemade Love" but are repulsed by the band's attempts to add some further dimension to their songs both confuse and amuse me, but preference is preference.

[conversationpc]

People who accept utter lyrical shit like "Homemade Love" but are repulsed by the band's attempts to add some further dimension to their songs both confuse and amuse me, but preference is preference.

That song is utter lyrical stupidity. It makes me want to cut my own ears off and eat them.

[Gideon]

That song is utter lyrical stupidity. It makes me want to cut my own ears off and eat them.

Ah, but that's because you're reasonable; not a Loon, I take it?
Don't get me wrong, this is clearly and ironically (given that this is the twilight* of their career as a band) Journey's first concerted foray into the realm of "serious rock" and they definitely stumble lyrically every now and then or, in some cases, fall flat on their faces ('Ritual', anyone?), but they did a pretty damn good job I think.



*Twilight. Eclipse. Get it?

[conversationpc]

That song is utter lyrical stupidity. It makes me want to cut my own ears off and eat them.

Ah, but that's because you're reasonable; not a Loon, I take it?
Don't get me wrong, this is clearly and ironically (given that this is the twilight* of their career as a band) Journey's first concerted foray into the realm of "serious rock" and they definitely stumble lyrically every now and then or, in some cases, fall flat on their faces ('Ritual', anyone?), but they did a pretty damn good job I think.



*Twilight. Eclipse. Get it?

If you have to explain it, you already knew it was going to fall flat.

[Gideon]

If you have to explain it, you already knew it was going to fall flat.

I like to hedge my bets.

[yandtguy]

I'll give you two songs that aren't in the least bit obscure. In fact, they are among the band's most popular:

From "Ghost of a Chance":
I don't believe in destiny
Or the guiding hand of fate
I don't believe in forever
Or love as a mystical state
I don't believe in the stars or the planets
Or angels watching from above
But I believe there's a ghost of a chance we can find someone to love
And make it last...

"Tom Sawyer":
No, his mind is not for rent
To any god or government.
Always hopeful, yet discontent,
He knows changes aren't permanent,
But change is.

Greg

I don't think "Ghost of a Chance" is all that popular even amongst Rush fans. That being said, I don't listen to the song because I don't think it's all that good anyway, not to mention that I don't agree with the lyrical content.

As for "Tom Sawyer", I don't interpret it as being anti-Christian at all. The lyrics also mention government, yet I don't think anyone would say it's an anti-government song, just that he considers himself to be a free thinker, which I think Christians could also claim since God doesn't turn us into automatons.

"Ghost Of A Chance" was a single, and a rather successful one, so it's not obscure was my point. As far as "Tom Sawyer," sure, God doesn't want automatons in regards to our choosing Him, but He sure wants us to spend our lives conforming to Him. It may be our choice, but once we make the choice, we are committing to what we sign up for.

Greg

[conversationpc]

"Ghost Of A Chance" was a single, and a rather successful one, so it's not obscure was my point. As far as "Tom Sawyer," sure, God doesn't want automatons in regards to our choosing Him, but He sure wants us to spend our lives conforming to Him. It may be our choice, but once we make the choice, we are committing to what we sign up for.

Greg

I didn't become a Rush fan until the mid 90s, so there you go. Anyway, my point with "Tom Sawyer" was that it doesn't necessarily have to be interpreted as being an anti-God thing. That's the way I see the song.

[slucero]

..you mean Tom Sawyer wasn't about the book????

[scarab]

no, he is a Realtor dealing moslty in foreclosures in MN and Western Wi
http://www.tomsawyerhomes.com/

[youkeepmewaiting]

Eclipse at essence is about peace, love, getting on with each other and understanding, surely we can all relate to wanting that ?

[Greg]

Why couldn't they be married?!?!

I was kind of thinking the same thing. The song itself doesn't actually state that you should go out and have sex with someone you're not married to.

"Lay It Down" promotes a life filled with "whiskey, wine, and women" with gratuitous references to double shots and vertical persuasion. (Though I suppose one can see the merit in some of that. )
People who accept utter lyrical shit like "Homemade Love" but are repulsed by the band's attempts to add some further dimension to their songs both confuse and amuse me, but preference is preference.

Lay It Down is a rockin' song, but I agree, I don't really like the lyrics. I guess that's why I usually skip that song.
I'm not a big fan of Homemade Love either. I really got into Journey because of the hits from Escape and Frontiers, not so much the 70's version of the band.

What I have found, personally, from any band I have listened to that the songs I wind up migrating to are the songs that I feel I can listen to anywhere without having to explain myself. Love songs or songs about the human spirit (not in the religious sense) are songs pretty much everybody relates to. For example, if I'm listening to KISS, the songs I seem to listen to more than anything else is "Forever", "Reason to Live", "Beth", etc....but I really don't listen to KISS that much. I like listening to Metallica, but if there is a song from them that really bothers me "spiritually" I won't listen to it anymore. "The God That Failed" is a prime example of a Metallica song I will skip each and every time. I just don't feel right listening to such a song.

So, overall, even though a lot of rock music is about sex, drugs, and rock in roll, there are aspects of it that I choose to listen to that are positive, even encouraging, and stuff I relate to. If I don't relate to it, I usually wind up not liking it. Which is the case with Eclipse for me.

[Michigan Girl]

Eclipse at essence is about peace, love, getting on with each other and understanding, surely we can all relate to wanting that ?

You talkin' to us?!?!

[youkeepmewaiting]

Eclipse at essence is about peace, love, getting on with each other and understanding, surely we can all relate to wanting that ?

You talkin' to us?!?!

haha point taken!

[Gideon]

Lay It Down is a rockin' song, but I agree, I don't really like the lyrics. I guess that's why I usually skip that song.
I'm not a big fan of Homemade Love either. I really got into Journey because of the hits from Escape and Frontiers, not so much the 70's version of the band.

What I have found, personally, from any band I have listened to that the songs I wind up migrating to are the songs that I feel I can listen to anywhere without having to explain myself. Love songs or songs about the human spirit (not in the religious sense) are songs pretty much everybody relates to. For example, if I'm listening to KISS, the songs I seem to listen to more than anything else is "Forever", "Reason to Live", "Beth", etc....but I really don't listen to KISS that much. I like listening to Metallica, but if there is a song from them that really bothers me "spiritually" I won't listen to it anymore. "The God That Failed" is a prime example of a Metallica song I will skip each and every time. I just don't feel right listening to such a song.

So, overall, even though a lot of rock music is about sex, drugs, and rock in roll, there are aspects of it that I choose to listen to that are positive, even encouraging, and stuff I relate to. If I don't relate to it, I usually wind up not liking it. Which is the case with Eclipse for me.

I'm not harping on songs about sex, drugs, and rock n roll. I'm saying that while Journey is largely a "safe" band who communicate sexual subtext through euphemisms like "lovin' and touchin'", they do have their moments where they abandon subtlety.

Lyrically, the only songs I have a problem with are largely relegated to the pre-Cain years, though other eras have their turds too.

[Rick]

Why couldn't they be married?!?!

I was kind of thinking the same thing. The song itself doesn't actually state that you should go out and have sex with someone you're not married to.

"Lay It Down" promotes a life filled with "whiskey, wine, and women" with gratuitous references to double shots and vertical persuasion. (Though I suppose one can see the merit in some of that. )
People who accept utter lyrical shit like "Homemade Love" but are repulsed by the band's attempts to add some further dimension to their songs both confuse and amuse me, but preference is preference.

Lay It Down is a rockin' song, but I agree, I don't really like the lyrics. I guess that's why I usually skip that song.
I'm not a big fan of Homemade Love either. I really got into Journey because of the hits from Escape and Frontiers, not so much the 70's version of the band.

What I have found, personally, from any band I have listened to that the songs I wind up migrating to are the songs that I feel I can listen to anywhere without having to explain myself. Love songs or songs about the human spirit (not in the religious sense) are songs pretty much everybody relates to. For example, if I'm listening to KISS, the songs I seem to listen to more than anything else is "Forever", "Reason to Live", "Beth", etc....but I really don't listen to KISS that much. I like listening to Metallica, but if there is a song from them that really bothers me "spiritually" I won't listen to it anymore. "The God That Failed" is a prime example of a Metallica song I will skip each and every time. I just don't feel right listening to such a song.

So, overall, even though a lot of rock music is about sex, drugs, and rock in roll, there are aspects of it that I choose to listen to that are positive, even encouraging, and stuff I relate to. If I don't relate to it, I usually wind up not liking it. Which is the case with Eclipse for me.

Excellent post. I am the same way. If it hits a note with me, I will listen to it over and over and over. If the song talks about things I disagree with, then it'll be skipped every time. I have changed on some songs that I used to hate, like "Nights In White Satin" absolutely hated it. Not sure why I hated it at one time, but I think it's an epic song now. The Moody Blues absolutely wrote a classic there. The only disagreement I have with this post is about Eclipse. I absolutely love this record. Meaning no disrespect to those that don't.

[Greg]

Why couldn't they be married?!?!

I was kind of thinking the same thing. The song itself doesn't actually state that you should go out and have sex with someone you're not married to.

"Lay It Down" promotes a life filled with "whiskey, wine, and women" with gratuitous references to double shots and vertical persuasion. (Though I suppose one can see the merit in some of that. )
People who accept utter lyrical shit like "Homemade Love" but are repulsed by the band's attempts to add some further dimension to their songs both confuse and amuse me, but preference is preference.

Lay It Down is a rockin' song, but I agree, I don't really like the lyrics. I guess that's why I usually skip that song.
I'm not a big fan of Homemade Love either. I really got into Journey because of the hits from Escape and Frontiers, not so much the 70's version of the band.

What I have found, personally, from any band I have listened to that the songs I wind up migrating to are the songs that I feel I can listen to anywhere without having to explain myself. Love songs or songs about the human spirit (not in the religious sense) are songs pretty much everybody relates to. For example, if I'm listening to KISS, the songs I seem to listen to more than anything else is "Forever", "Reason to Live", "Beth", etc....but I really don't listen to KISS that much. I like listening to Metallica, but if there is a song from them that really bothers me "spiritually" I won't listen to it anymore. "The God That Failed" is a prime example of a Metallica song I will skip each and every time. I just don't feel right listening to such a song.

So, overall, even though a lot of rock music is about sex, drugs, and rock in roll, there are aspects of it that I choose to listen to that are positive, even encouraging, and stuff I relate to. If I don't relate to it, I usually wind up not liking it. Which is the case with Eclipse for me.

Excellent post. I am the same way. If it hits a note with me, I will listen to it over and over and over. If the song talks about things I disagree with, then it'll be skipped every time. I have changed on some songs that I used to hate, like "Nights In White Satin" absolutely hated it. Not sure why I hated it at one time, but I think it's an epic song now. The Moody Blues absolutely wrote a classic there. The only disagreement I have with this post is about Eclipse. I absolutely love this record. Meaning no disrespect to those that don't.

No, if you love Eclipse, I see no problem with that whatsoever. I mean, heck, most people think Red 13 is trash and while I don't think that EP is anything close to the best stuff Journey has ever made, I kind of like it. I have to be in a certain "mood" to listen to Red 13, but I appreciate Journey's experimental tendencies. Frontiers & Escape will always be Journey albums that I can listen to most any time. I have to be in a certain mood to listen to ROR, TBF, or Arrival, but those albums are good albums in my opinion. They're just not ever on the same level as what the band did in the early 80's.