Journey Entourage

[Rockindeano]

Dang...This is getting good. Ding, ding, ding!

No, it's not. I asked Andrew to please delete my account here. This site sucks now. It's a fuckin Journey strokefest, and when that old geriatric fuck Step dad pops his liver spotted grill in here, running his piehole, not knowing anything he is speaking of, everyone assumes I am wrong because well, Les is Neal's daddy. Thanks a bunch Steve. Hey, you missed a spot, a little semen still on your upper lip. This is an embarrassing forum. Nothing gets spoken like it should anymore. And of course, McNeice looking the other way, says, "Hi Les!" Give me a break Andrew.

Four years ago, this place was honest and spoken as such. Now it's Andrew giving hand jobs in the way of ridiculously high reviews, that are fucking laughable. I am hugely disappointed in the way he recognizes and represents Journey here. Eclipse is a fine effort, but he makes it sound like it's the next Abbey Road. What's next, a 105/100 for Night Ranger? Maybe 120/100 for Mr Big? Point is all MR has become is a Fox News for certain bands. It's slanted and biased, with no real dissent allowed. If there is dissent, no matter how intelligent it is presented, it's met with "blah blah blah." The truthful discussion that once thrived here, is no longer. That's why traffic here is way down. I know you don't care about my opinion of you Andrew, but after what these guys did to you, how they treated you, and yet you still deep throat them at every turn. I am not suggesting to hate or keep hating, and forever holding their feet to the fire for faking the music for 2 years, but there are many other things that have transpired and frankly, I am shocked you still take it. Perhaps this should be taken to PM, but I don't care.

This place would be a lot better off without guys like me on here. The reason I want to be deleted is, I don't have the fuckin self discipline to not post especially after 2 12vers.

Again, thanks a bunch Steveo.

You have to be kidding it's a strokefest. Go read most of the posts on here lately. It's all about how JSS should be on the album or in the band. It's how a lot of people are posting they don't like the album or the singer is wrong for it or Neal goes on too long and isn't melodic on the album or there's no backing singers or there's not one good song on it or it's not Journey on the album with the style songs and never will be anyway without Perry. Right, real rah-rah on here or that they haven't done a good album since Perry.. And then there are fans who love the album or support the band (me). Though, they're idiots for taking Resonate off the setlist, best song of the album, single-worthy. I consider it very balanced for many different views, definitely not a present-day Journey lovefest.

Go have another donut.

I was talking in particular with Andrew and his ridiculous review. His taste buds are in his ass (Many thanks Tito) And yes Jana, it is a strokefest of sorts. Like I said, there are haters, just because they want to hate. I can't really critique the cd because I haven't heard it..but think about it, how many people here have said it's their best cd since Escape. You have got to be joking? There are shit tons of awesome reviews and "this cd is awesome," etc etc. I'm fine with that, but it seems over the top. I also understand it's a new cd from their favourite band, so that's cool too.

[Behshad]

Fuck the popcorn! Im sorry Im late for this party, but I'll catch up!

[portland]

Fuck the popcorn! Im sorry Im late for this party, but I'll catch up!

Can I have one?

[Eric]

I can't really critique the cd because I haven't heard it..but think about it, how many people here have said it's their best cd since Escape. You have got to be joking?

1. It is their best album since Frontiers. It is the natural progression from Frontiers. And that's just 5.5 albums - not exactly hyperbole. ROR is a dated Perry solo album, TFB sees a rock band in a rocking chair before their time, Arrival was an attempt at Escape 2000, Red13 was an unpolished mini effort at making an album like Eclipse, Generations was an idea with a mish-mash of types, Revelation was re-creating the GH. There are songs I love on all of those, but Eclipse could have been 1985's follow-up to Frontiers. Shoulda replaced Perry then.

2. If you spend time on here...just get the album. This is what I don't understand. I'll paypal you $20 to buy and listen to Revelation and Eclipse and give a fair review. After the review I'll donate another $20 in your name to whatever charity you want.

3. Far from a strokefest on here.

[Michigan Girl]

I'll promise to do my best and not comment here, for I know absolutely nothing about Journey like Steveo77 does!

You've got to be kidding me?!?!

[parfait]

I can't really critique the cd because I haven't heard it..but think about it, how many people here have said it's their best cd since Escape. You have got to be joking?

1. It is their best album since Frontiers. It is the natural progression from Frontiers. And that's just 5.5 albums - not exactly hyperbole. ROR is a dated Perry solo album, TFB sees a rock band in a rocking chair before their time, Arrival was an attempt at Escape 2000, Red13 was an unpolished mini effort at making an album like Eclipse, Generations was an idea with a mish-mash of types, Revelation was re-creating the GH. There are songs I love on all of those, but Eclipse could have been 1985's follow-up to Frontiers. Shoulda replaced Perry then.

2. If you spend time on here...just get the album. This is what I don't understand. I'll paypal you $20 to buy and listen to Revelation and Eclipse and give a fair review. After the review I'll donate another $20 in your name to whatever charity you want.

3. Far from a strokefest on here.

Best since Frontiers? That's just not true. Arrival and TBF is miles a head. It's a decent record. That's it.

[Tito]

Hey Deano, I'd like to buy you for what you know and sell you for what you think you know.

This is a great line. I need to remember it and use it sometime.

[Eric]

I can't really critique the cd because I haven't heard it..but think about it, how many people here have said it's their best cd since Escape. You have got to be joking?

1. It is their best album since Frontiers. It is the natural progression from Frontiers. And that's just 5.5 albums - not exactly hyperbole. ROR is a dated Perry solo album, TFB sees a rock band in a rocking chair before their time, Arrival was an attempt at Escape 2000, Red13 was an unpolished mini effort at making an album like Eclipse, Generations was an idea with a mish-mash of types, Revelation was re-creating the GH. There are songs I love on all of those, but Eclipse could have been 1985's follow-up to Frontiers. Shoulda replaced Perry then.

2. If you spend time on here...just get the album. This is what I don't understand. I'll paypal you $20 to buy and listen to Revelation and Eclipse and give a fair review. After the review I'll donate another $20 in your name to whatever charity you want.

3. Far from a strokefest on here.

Best since Frontiers? That's just not true. Arrival and TBF is miles a head. It's a decent record. That's it.

I disagree. Arrival has more skippers and was trying to be something other than a natural progression for the band. I don't think TBF can hold either albums jock.

[Michigan Girl]

I can't really critique the cd because I haven't heard it..but think about it, how many people here have said it's their best cd since Escape. You have got to be joking?

1. It is their best album since Frontiers. It is the natural progression from Frontiers. And that's just 5.5 albums - not exactly hyperbole. ROR is a dated Perry solo album, TFB sees a rock band in a rocking chair before their time, Arrival was an attempt at Escape 2000, Red13 was an unpolished mini effort at making an album like Eclipse, Generations was an idea with a mish-mash of types, Revelation was re-creating the GH. There are songs I love on all of those, but Eclipse could have been 1985's follow-up to Frontiers. Shoulda replaced Perry then.

2. If you spend time on here...just get the album. This is what I don't understand. I'll paypal you $20 to buy and listen to Revelation and Eclipse and give a fair review. After the review I'll donate another $20 in your name to whatever charity you want.

3. Far from a strokefest on here.

Best since Frontiers? That's just not true. Arrival and TBF is miles a head. It's a decent record. That's it.

Absolutely agree with you ...^^^^^and ROR is better than Arrival!!
Eclipse Bumps Revelation back into last place ...

[Saint John]

I disagree. Arrival has more skippers and was trying to be something other than a natural progression for the band. I don't think TBF can hold either albums jock.

I've never been a big fan of Arrival, TBF or ROR. ROR, out of the 3, is probably the most embarrassing. This album cemented Journey's stereotype as a "chick band." Dated grooves, hokey R&B and a giant step back about 20 years. They defined AOR and abandoned their core sound and natural progression for a one man's tyrannical ego. Arrival features great music and mediocre vocals, and TBF features exceptional music and poor vocals (except for the ballads).

[Behshad]

I disagree. Arrival has more skippers and was trying to be something other than a natural progression for the band. I don't think TBF can hold either albums jock.

I've never been a big fan of Arrival
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This album cemented Journey's stereotype as a "chick band."

Make up your mind

[Michigan Girl]

I disagree. Arrival has more skippers and was trying to be something other than a natural progression for the band. I don't think TBF can hold either albums jock.

I've never been a big fan of Arrival, TBF or ROR. ROR, out of the 3, is probably the most embarrassing. This album cemented Journey's stereotype as a "chick band." Dated grooves, hokey R&B and a giant step back about 20 years. They defined AOR and abandoned their core sound and natural progression for a one man's tyrannical ego. Arrival features great music and mediocre vocals, and TBF features exceptional music and poor vocals (except for the ballads).

Eclipse is kinda like reliving the dream ...

[Saint John]

I disagree. Arrival has more skippers and was trying to be something other than a natural progression for the band. I don't think TBF can hold either albums jock.

I've never been a big fan of Arrival, TBF or ROR. ROR, out of the 3, is probably the most embarrassing. This album cemented Journey's stereotype as a "chick band." Dated grooves, hokey R&B and a giant step back about 20 years. They defined AOR and abandoned their core sound and natural progression for a one man's tyrannical ego. Arrival features great music and mediocre vocals, and TBF features exceptional music and poor vocals (except for the ballads).

Eclipse is kinda like reliving the dream ...

I can agree with that. Eclipse was advertised as such and was done so at the (relative) end of the band's career.. Today's music scene is all but dead for any act over a mere few years old. The difference is that Journey, and their type of music,was on top back then, and that saw them fall off the face of the musical landscape, in terms of sales. While Def Leppard and Bon Jovi continued along the road that Journey paved and each sold 20+ million (worldwide), Journey was swooning to gay songs like Happy To Give, Girl Can't Help It and I'll Be Alright Without You. The only good song with any testosterone in the vocals is Be Good To Yourself ... and it's a dandy.

[Jubilee]

Nice try, Deano. Another haughty good-bye? Say it ain't so.

You know, you are just about the biggest "girl" ever. Seriously? So pops comes in here and cracks your face a little, and you hike up your skirt, shriek, and go scampering for the exit your tippy-toes. That's just weak. For all your bluster and blow, you have the testicular fortitude of 13 yr old girl in her first training bra.

You've completely contradicted yourself by first stating there's no room for dissenting opinion, then laying out dissenting opinions (i.e. haters v. blind followers). No middle? It's right there, in the middle, between the two extremes.

Do what ever you want to do, Deano, but save the "poor me" drama.

[Tito]

Is Rockindeano's last name Favre?

[tanga]

Is Rockindeano's last name Favre?

Like...

[Gideon]

The idea that this place has become anything resembling a "strokefest" is absolute horseshit and is propagated only by people who dislike the current incarnation of the band or have an agenda against it.
Reviews and feedback on Eclipse have been demonstrably mixed: some love it, some hate it, and a few just like it. Andrew hasn't forced anyone to conform to a pro-Journey stance.

A more accurate assessment is that this place is no longer quite as anti-Journey as it was before.

[conversationpc]

A more accurate assessment is that this place is no longer quite as anti-Journey as it was before.

Yahtzee!!!

[Eric]

A more accurate assessment is that this place is no longer quite as anti-Journey as it was before.

Yahtzee!!!

with 6's!

[Michigan Girl]

I'm going to have to agree w/Gid ...there are only a few strokers
around here and they are easily recognizable ...the instant you
say anything remotely negative about the LP, they rush downstairs,
or to another thread, and trash Steve Perry ...like small children
throwing tantrums, but trying not to be obvious about it!!

Watch, it's very funny!!

[tater1977]

I'm going to have to agree w/Gid ...there are only a few strokers
around here and they are easily recognizable ...the instant you
say anything remotely negative about the LP, they rush downstairs,
or to another thread, and trash Steve Perry ...like small children
throwing tantrums, but trying not to be obvious about it!!

Watch, it's very funny!!

LOL I have noticed that MG..

[The_Noble_Cause]

I disagree. Arrival has more skippers and was trying to be something other than a natural progression for the band. I don't think TBF can hold either albums jock.

Im with you. Arrival is more like TBF prt 2 - especially in its original release (before Neal added some last minute rockers)

[Michigan Girl]

I disagree. Arrival has more skippers and was trying to be something other than a natural progression for the band. I don't think TBF can hold either albums jock.

I've never been a big fan of Arrival, TBF or ROR. ROR, out of the 3, is probably the most embarrassing. This album cemented Journey's stereotype as a "chick band." Dated grooves, hokey R&B and a giant step back about 20 years. They defined AOR and abandoned their core sound and natural progression for a one man's tyrannical ego. Arrival features great music and mediocre vocals, and TBF features exceptional music and poor vocals (except for the ballads).

Eclipse is kinda like reliving the dream ...

I can agree with that. Eclipse was advertised as such and was done so at the (relative) end of the band's career.. Today's music scene is all but dead for any act over a mere few years old. The difference is that Journey, and their type of music,was on top back then, and that saw them fall off the face of the musical landscape, in terms of sales. While Def Leppard and Bon Jovi continued along the road that Journey paved and each sold 20+ million (worldwide), Journey was swooning to gay songs like Happy To Give, Girl Can't Help It and I'll Be Alright Without You. The only good song with any testosterone in the vocals is Be Good To Yourself ... and it's a dandy.

ROR was advertised for what it was ...it was a riskier risk because the
band was hot...the outcome/product was far superior ...the guys
who attended chick band shows, e.g. BJ, Journey,
were comfortable with their sexuality and,
I feel certain, did not have to be good to themselves!!

[Saint John]

I disagree. Arrival has more skippers and was trying to be something other than a natural progression for the band. I don't think TBF can hold either albums jock.

I've never been a big fan of Arrival, TBF or ROR. ROR, out of the 3, is probably the most embarrassing. This album cemented Journey's stereotype as a "chick band." Dated grooves, hokey R&B and a giant step back about 20 years. They defined AOR and abandoned their core sound and natural progression for a one man's tyrannical ego. Arrival features great music and mediocre vocals, and TBF features exceptional music and poor vocals (except for the ballads).

Eclipse is kinda like reliving the dream ...

I can agree with that. Eclipse was advertised as such and was done so at the (relative) end of the band's career.. Today's music scene is all but dead for any act over a mere few years old. The difference is that Journey, and their type of music,was on top back then, and that saw them fall off the face of the musical landscape, in terms of sales. While Def Leppard and Bon Jovi continued along the road that Journey paved and each sold 20+ million (worldwide), Journey was swooning to gay songs like Happy To Give, Girl Can't Help It and I'll Be Alright Without You. The only good song with any testosterone in the vocals is Be Good To Yourself ... and it's a dandy.

ROR was advertised for what it was ...it was a riskier risk because the
band was hot...the outcome/product was far superior ...the guys
who attended chick band shows, e.g. BJ, Journey,
were comfortable with their sexuality and,
I feel certain, did not have to be good to themselves!!

There was no risk taken with ROR. None. It was either going to (relatively speaking) flop (which it did) or it was going to be a huge success and be the transitional tool for Perry's solo career. He took over every aspect of the album to drive his agenda, and he put himself in a win/win situation. If it flops he can bury the band (and did). If it's a big success and sells 10 million, he can attempt to take all of the fans of that new (dated and shitty) sound with him. Personally, I think he got the result he desired most. But he had his bet hedged, in the event that it did sell big. But there was nothing risky or innovative about that album. Drum machines, dated grooves and yesteryear's R&B vocals weren't all that impressive. And it showed, factually, as people flocked in droves to Def Leppard and Bon Jovi and bought their albums at almost a 4-1 ratio. Bon Jovi and Def Leppard went forward with their sound and Steve Cooke took Journey backwards about 25 years. And the numbers say as much.

[conversationpc]

There was no risk taken with ROR. None. It was either going to (relatively speaking) flop (which it did) or it was going to be a huge success and be the transitional tool for Perry's solo career. He took over every aspect of the album to drive his agenda, and he put himself in a win/win situation. If it flops he can bury the band (and did). If it's a big success and sells 10 million, he can attempt to take all of the fans of that new (dated and shitty) sound with him. Personally, I think he got the result he desired most. But he had his bet hedged, in the event that it did sell big. But there was nothing risky or innovative about that album. Drum machines, dated grooves and yesteryear's R&B vocals weren't all that impressive. And it showed, factually, as people flocked in droves to Def Leppard and Bon Jovi and bought their albums at almost a 4-1 ratio. Bon Jovi and Def Leppard went forward with their sound and Steve Cooke took Journey backwards about 25 years. And the numbers say as much.

It was a safe album, in my opinion, or so the band thought anyway.

[steveo777]

There was no risk taken with ROR. None. It was either going to (relatively speaking) flop (which it did) or it was going to be a huge success and be the transitional tool for Perry's solo career. He took over every aspect of the album to drive his agenda, and he put himself in a win/win situation. If it flops he can bury the band (and did). If it's a big success and sells 10 million, he can attempt to take all of the fans of that new (dated and shitty) sound with him. Personally, I think he got the result he desired most. But he had his bet hedged, in the event that it did sell big. But there was nothing risky or innovative about that album. Drum machines, dated grooves and yesteryear's R&B vocals weren't all that impressive. And it showed, factually, as people flocked in droves to Def Leppard and Bon Jovi and bought their albums at almost a 4-1 ratio. Bon Jovi and Def Leppard went forward with their sound and Steve Cooke took Journey backwards about 25 years. And the numbers say as much.

It was a safe album, in my opinion, or so the band thought anyway.

The album might have been safe, but firing Ross and Smitty wasn't. That was riskier than hell. What if the whole thing woulda blown up in SP's face,
where would the band be today?

[Gideon]

Eclipse has a few deficits that make me appreciate Perry's talents as an artist.
That said, Raised On Radio makes me appreciate the band when Perry was more of a guide than a dictator. He was a conduit for Neal and Jon's abilities as writers and musicians, but Perry completely calling the shots was horrid idea.

[conversationpc]

The album might have been safe, but firing Ross and Smitty wasn't. That was riskier than hell. What if the whole thing woulda blown up in SP's face, where would the band be today?

About where they are now?

[Art Vandelay]

Eclipse has a few deficits that make me appreciate Perry's talents as an artist.
That said, Raised On Radio makes me appreciate the band when Perry was more of a guide than a dictator. He was a conduit for Neal and Jon's abilities as writers and musicians, but Perry completely calling the shots was horrid idea.

For me, I wouldn't say horrid because I liked ROR (and I understand why it's not everyone's cup of tea)...but everything else you said was spot on!

[Gideon]

For me, I wouldn't say horrid because I liked ROR (and I understand why it's not everyone's cup of tea)...but everything else you said was spot on!

I don't hate ROR either, it's just musically boring. Perry's creative decisions during that time reflect a disregard for any of the instruments beyond his voice; the result was that his singing was spectacular, but the rest of the band (and by that I mean the two living members and whatever machine/android/C-3P0 piece of shit they had covering the other instruments rather than Ross and Smith) was restrained.

It's why I prefer TBF to ROR.