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livin2do wrote:I went to see Rush the other night, for the sixth time. I keep going back to see them because they are absolutely fearless when it comes to their song selection. Every tour I know I am going to hear them play for at least two and a half hours, and they will always throw in songs from their history that are long since forgotten, but classic nonetheless. They treat their catalog with the same reverence that their fan base does. When they pull out the monster instrumental "Leave that Thing Alone," the mid-80's chestnut "Marathon," and the title track to Presto (being played live for the first time in concert, even though the album came out in 1989), it's like they are giving out Christmas presents to their audience. As a result, the fans indulge the band, so if they want to break out multiple tracks from the two most-recent albums instead of more expected fare, they know they can get away with it. I can't remember the last tour I heard them play "New World Man" (their only chart hit), and this was only the second time I've seen them do "Closer to the Heart." Somehow, I never complain after seeing their show.
This got me thinking about all the Journey tours I have been to. The only tour where Journey did something like this was in 2005. That was the last tour I went to, and I saw them twice. Those shows reminded me of sitting in a room when I was a teenager, taking one LP off the turntable and dropping the needle on another, listening to the songs you never got to hear on the radio. This was a show for the fans - not just the people who can sing along with "Don't Stop Believin'" and pull out lighters for "Faithfully." When Journey tries something new on its audience, it is like they are shoving it down their throats. "You will eat your broccoli if you want desert, young man!" So far they are playing 3-5 songs off Eclipse, and it's like Revelation never came out. That album sold 800,000 copies! I won't get into the Augeri era songs, because they have a new singer and those songs weren't successful, but at least acknowledge that you had moderate success with the last album by playing "After All These Years."
Even the "rare" songs they play are always the same. "Stone in Love" gets played every show. I have heard some of my favorites so much that they are almost boring to me now. Songs like "Escape" and "Ask the Lonely" could be replaced out for "Feeling that Way/Anytime," "Walks Like a Lady," or "Line of Fire." The only reason I still enjoy "Mother Father" is because Deen sings it. Here's a thought - have him sing "Patiently" or "Still They Ride" once in a while. And, for the love of God - please retire "Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'". That being said, close the show with "The Party's Over" and I will line up for the next tour in a heartbeat.
I will be taking my 9-year old daughter to see the band in July - something I have promised since I last went to see them, when I felt she was too young to enjoy a concert. I can honestly say that, unless Journey does another "Evening with" format show, I won't be paying to see them again. This will be my 11th Journey show, and quite possibly my last.
Arkansas wrote:RUSH = 90% dudes in black tshirts & sparse facial hair. The 10% women are now the wives of the dudes in black tshirts, who are only going now because they went to see '2112' or 'Moving Pictures' with their then boyfriends.
JOURNEY = 90% women & daughters, dressing alike becaue they think it's cute, and they want to sip on a girl drink and do sing-alongs. The 10% men are now the husbands (or EXs) of the women, who are only going now because they went to see 'Infinity' or 'Escape' with their then girlfriends.
Rush probably has a more hardcore fan base. Rush is probably a bigger band.
Journey has always been a band that sings love songs & feel good anthems.
Both are obviously legendary, but the comparison really is apples to oranges.
I've seen them both a gazillion times, and if I had to pick between shows, I'd go to Rush in a heartbeart. But that's probably because I'm one of the dudes who saw 2112 and/or Moving Pictures.
Btw, did you take your 9 yr old to see Rush? If not, why not?
Nice attempt though. However Journey won't mix it or change it much, because it's the women & daughters that want sing-alongs.
later~
livin2do wrote:I went to see Rush the other night, for the sixth time. I keep going back to see them because they are absolutely fearless when it comes to their song selection. Every tour I know I am going to hear them play for at least two and a half hours, and they will always throw in songs from their history that are long since forgotten, but classic nonetheless. They treat their catalog with the same reverence that their fan base does. When they pull out the monster instrumental "Leave that Thing Alone," the mid-80's chestnut "Marathon," and the title track to Presto (being played live for the first time in concert, even though the album came out in 1989), it's like they are giving out Christmas presents to their audience. As a result, the fans indulge the band, so if they want to break out multiple tracks from the two most-recent albums instead of more expected fare, they know they can get away with it. I can't remember the last tour I heard them play "New World Man" (their only chart hit), and this was only the second time I've seen them do "Closer to the Heart." Somehow, I never complain after seeing their show.
This got me thinking about all the Journey tours I have been to. The only tour where Journey did something like this was in 2005. That was the last tour I went to, and I saw them twice. Those shows reminded me of sitting in a room when I was a teenager, taking one LP off the turntable and dropping the needle on another, listening to the songs you never got to hear on the radio. This was a show for the fans - not just the people who can sing along with "Don't Stop Believin'" and pull out lighters for "Faithfully." When Journey tries something new on its audience, it is like they are shoving it down their throats. "You will eat your broccoli if you want desert, young man!" So far they are playing 3-5 songs off Eclipse, and it's like Revelation never came out. That album sold 800,000 copies! I won't get into the Augeri era songs, because they have a new singer and those songs weren't successful, but at least acknowledge that you had moderate success with the last album by playing "After All These Years."
Even the "rare" songs they play are always the same. "Stone in Love" gets played every show. I have heard some of my favorites so much that they are almost boring to me now. Songs like "Escape" and "Ask the Lonely" could be replaced out for "Feeling that Way/Anytime," "Walks Like a Lady," or "Line of Fire." The only reason I still enjoy "Mother Father" is because Deen sings it. Here's a thought - have him sing "Patiently" or "Still They Ride" once in a while. And, for the love of God - please retire "Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'". That being said, close the show with "The Party's Over" and I will line up for the next tour in a heartbeat.
I will be taking my 9-year old daughter to see the band in July - something I have promised since I last went to see them, when I felt she was too young to enjoy a concert. I can honestly say that, unless Journey does another "Evening with" format show, I won't be paying to see them again. This will be my 11th Journey show, and quite possibly my last.
STORY_TELLER wrote:livin2do wrote:I went to see Rush the other night, for the sixth time. I keep going back to see them because they are absolutely fearless when it comes to their song selection. Every tour I know I am going to hear them play for at least two and a half hours, and they will always throw in songs from their history that are long since forgotten, but classic nonetheless. They treat their catalog with the same reverence that their fan base does. When they pull out the monster instrumental "Leave that Thing Alone," the mid-80's chestnut "Marathon," and the title track to Presto (being played live for the first time in concert, even though the album came out in 1989), it's like they are giving out Christmas presents to their audience. As a result, the fans indulge the band, so if they want to break out multiple tracks from the two most-recent albums instead of more expected fare, they know they can get away with it. I can't remember the last tour I heard them play "New World Man" (their only chart hit), and this was only the second time I've seen them do "Closer to the Heart." Somehow, I never complain after seeing their show.
This got me thinking about all the Journey tours I have been to. The only tour where Journey did something like this was in 2005. That was the last tour I went to, and I saw them twice. Those shows reminded me of sitting in a room when I was a teenager, taking one LP off the turntable and dropping the needle on another, listening to the songs you never got to hear on the radio. This was a show for the fans - not just the people who can sing along with "Don't Stop Believin'" and pull out lighters for "Faithfully." When Journey tries something new on its audience, it is like they are shoving it down their throats. "You will eat your broccoli if you want desert, young man!" So far they are playing 3-5 songs off Eclipse, and it's like Revelation never came out. That album sold 800,000 copies! I won't get into the Augeri era songs, because they have a new singer and those songs weren't successful, but at least acknowledge that you had moderate success with the last album by playing "After All These Years."
Even the "rare" songs they play are always the same. "Stone in Love" gets played every show. I have heard some of my favorites so much that they are almost boring to me now. Songs like "Escape" and "Ask the Lonely" could be replaced out for "Feeling that Way/Anytime," "Walks Like a Lady," or "Line of Fire." The only reason I still enjoy "Mother Father" is because Deen sings it. Here's a thought - have him sing "Patiently" or "Still They Ride" once in a while. And, for the love of God - please retire "Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'". That being said, close the show with "The Party's Over" and I will line up for the next tour in a heartbeat.
I will be taking my 9-year old daughter to see the band in July - something I have promised since I last went to see them, when I felt she was too young to enjoy a concert. I can honestly say that, unless Journey does another "Evening with" format show, I won't be paying to see them again. This will be my 11th Journey show, and quite possibly my last.
For everyone one of us who feel the way you do, there are 50 ticket holders who only own one album and it's called "Journey's Greatest Hits". Add the fact that Journey are touring as a double or triple billed package which reduces their set list and the math says we lose.
Tito wrote:First, correct on the Rush fans vs. Journey fans comparisons. I was just going to say Rush fans are dorks.
strangegrey wrote:Tito wrote:First, correct on the Rush fans vs. Journey fans comparisons. I was just going to say Rush fans are dorks.
I would even go so far as to say, that to suggest that 10% of rush fans have wives or even got laid, is really stretching it.
conversationpc wrote:strangegrey wrote:Tito wrote:First, correct on the Rush fans vs. Journey fans comparisons. I was just going to say Rush fans are dorks.
I would even go so far as to say, that to suggest that 10% of rush fans have wives or even got laid, is really stretching it.
I know a ton of Rush fans and the stereotype presented here is nowhere near accurate.
Tito wrote:conversationpc wrote:strangegrey wrote:Tito wrote:First, correct on the Rush fans vs. Journey fans comparisons. I was just going to say Rush fans are dorks.
I would even go so far as to say, that to suggest that 10% of rush fans have wives or even got laid, is really stretching it.
I know a ton of Rush fans and the stereotype presented here is nowhere near accurate.
You're a Rush fan, huh?
Arkansas wrote:RUSH = 90% dudes in black tshirts & sparse facial hair. The 10% women are now the wives of the dudes in black tshirts, who are only going now because they went to see '2112' or 'Moving Pictures' with their then boyfriends.
JOURNEY = 90% women & daughters, dressing alike becaue they think it's cute, and they want to sip on a girl drink and do sing-alongs. The 10% men are now the husbands (or EXs) of the women, who are only going now because they went to see 'Infinity' or 'Escape' with their then girlfriends.
Rush probably has a more hardcore fan base. Rush is probably a bigger band.
Journey has always been a band that sings love songs & feel good anthems.
Both are obviously legendary, but the comparison really is apples to oranges.
I've seen them both a gazillion times, and if I had to pick between shows, I'd go to Rush in a heartbeart. But that's probably because I'm one of the dudes who saw 2112 and/or Moving Pictures.
Btw, did you take your 9 yr old to see Rush? If not, why not?
Nice attempt though. However Journey won't mix it or change it much, because it's the women & daughters that want sing-alongs.
later~
conversationpc wrote:strangegrey wrote:Tito wrote:First, correct on the Rush fans vs. Journey fans comparisons. I was just going to say Rush fans are dorks.
I would even go so far as to say, that to suggest that 10% of rush fans have wives or even got laid, is really stretching it.
I know a ton of Rush fans and the stereotype presented here is nowhere near accurate.
livin2do wrote: Here's a thought - have him sing "Patiently" or "Still They Ride" once in a while.
Vocalsmanvocals wrote:livin2do wrote: Here's a thought - have him sing "Patiently" or "Still They Ride" once in a while.
I heard Deen sing patiently during a sound check at Darien Lake one year...amazing vocal!!
Eric wrote:Feeling That Way/Anytime Staple in their set 98-01. Time to bring it back
Patiently Only 2005 and 2009 I think?
La Do Da Europe tour with JSS in '07 is it I think?
Line Of Fire Can't say I've heard them play this since reforming.
Good Morning Girl NO!
Stay Awhile I have a Japanese boot they did this with lights in Japan with Augeri. Problem is they have too many ballads.
Who's Crying Now Staple early on, especially for Arrival tour...not sure why its gone now.
Too Late See Line of Fire
Just The Same Way See Feeling that way/Anytime
Do You Recall Never have heard live...would be nice.
Faith In The Heartland Only Generation tour? I just don't think they can afford to play "new" songs that aren't off Eclipse. Not enough time.
The Party's Over I think we can all agree this should close every show. It didn't sound good live when I heard them do it though...maybe in '04?
Girl Can't Help It Nope...they did play it on Vacation Over tour - but there isn't room for it.
I'll Be Alright Without You Pops in and out...JSS owned it. I'd prefer this be in the setlist over any other "ballad"
After All These Years See Faith in the Heartland
Message Of Love Went over flat on Arrival tour as opener. See After All these year and Faith in the Heartland anyway.
Higher Place They did this is 2009. It's a keeper in my book...but see After All these year and Faith in the Heartland
When You Love A Woman NO! They did in 98, 01 and 08. Too many ballads!
Still They Ride I've seen this plenty of times. It's nice when Dean-O does it, but I'd prefer to see him do Where were you or Mother, Father.
After The Fall I think they tried this during Arrival tour. I'm not a huge fan of it.
jestor92 wrote: I personally don't understand why they don't have a rotating setlist for the tour. By rotating I mean they pick out the GH songs they're going to play, the new songs they'll play, then they'll pick a bunch of random tracks and rotate them in and out of the setlist throughout the tour. From the set they did on 6-9 I'd say Only The Young, Ask the Lonely, and Send Her My Love would be the song spots I'd rotate.
jestor92 wrote:
I personally think they should try to get at least one song from Revelation in the set. ... but with it being Arnie's debut album they should get one song in there.
Eric wrote:Feeling That Way/Anytime Staple in their set 98-01. Time to bring it back
Patiently Only 2005 and 2009 I think?
La Do Da Europe tour with JSS in '07 is it I think?
Line Of Fire Can't say I've heard them play this since reforming.
Good Morning Girl NO!
Stay Awhile I have a Japanese boot they did this with lights in Japan with Augeri. Problem is they have too many ballads.
Who's Crying Now Staple early on, especially for Arrival tour...not sure why its gone now.
Too Late See Line of Fire
Just The Same Way See Feeling that way/Anytime
Do You Recall Never have heard live...would be nice.
Faith In The Heartland Only Generation tour? I just don't think they can afford to play "new" songs that aren't off Eclipse. Not enough time.
The Party's Over I think we can all agree this should close every show. It didn't sound good live when I heard them do it though...maybe in '04?
Girl Can't Help It Nope...they did play it on Vacation Over tour - but there isn't room for it.
I'll Be Alright Without You Pops in and out...JSS owned it. I'd prefer this be in the setlist over any other "ballad"
After All These Years See Faith in the Heartland
Message Of Love Went over flat on Arrival tour as opener. See After All these year and Faith in the Heartland anyway.
Higher Place They did this is 2009. It's a keeper in my book...but see After All these year and Faith in the Heartland
When You Love A Woman NO! They did in 98, 01 and 08. Too many ballads!
Still They Ride I've seen this plenty of times. It's nice when Dean-O does it, but I'd prefer to see him do Where were you or Mother, Father.
After The Fall I think they tried this during Arrival tour. I'm not a huge fan of it.
WykkedSensation wrote:Do You Recall Never have heard live...would be nice. Played a few times on the Escape tour, included on a fantastic FM boot from Chicago.
WykkedSensation wrote:Eric wrote:Feeling That Way/Anytime Staple in their set 98-01. Time to bring it back
Patiently Only 2005 and 2009 I think?
La Do Da Europe tour with JSS in '07 is it I think?
Line Of Fire Can't say I've heard them play this since reforming.
Good Morning Girl NO!
Stay Awhile I have a Japanese boot they did this with lights in Japan with Augeri. Problem is they have too many ballads.
Who's Crying Now Staple early on, especially for Arrival tour...not sure why its gone now.
Too Late See Line of Fire
Just The Same Way See Feeling that way/Anytime
Do You Recall Never have heard live...would be nice.
Faith In The Heartland Only Generation tour? I just don't think they can afford to play "new" songs that aren't off Eclipse. Not enough time.
The Party's Over I think we can all agree this should close every show. It didn't sound good live when I heard them do it though...maybe in '04?
Girl Can't Help It Nope...they did play it on Vacation Over tour - but there isn't room for it.
I'll Be Alright Without You Pops in and out...JSS owned it. I'd prefer this be in the setlist over any other "ballad"
After All These Years See Faith in the Heartland
Message Of Love Went over flat on Arrival tour as opener. See After All these year and Faith in the Heartland anyway.
Higher Place They did this is 2009. It's a keeper in my book...but see After All these year and Faith in the Heartland
When You Love A Woman NO! They did in 98, 01 and 08. Too many ballads!
Still They Ride I've seen this plenty of times. It's nice when Dean-O does it, but I'd prefer to see him do Where were you or Mother, Father.
After The Fall I think they tried this during Arrival tour. I'm not a huge fan of it.
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