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Postby livin2do » Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:30 am

I went to see Rush the other night, for the sixth time. I keep going back to see them because they are absolutely fearless when it comes to their song selection. Every tour I know I am going to hear them play for at least two and a half hours, and they will always throw in songs from their history that are long since forgotten, but classic nonetheless. They treat their catalog with the same reverence that their fan base does. When they pull out the monster instrumental "Leave that Thing Alone," the mid-80's chestnut "Marathon," and the title track to Presto (being played live for the first time in concert, even though the album came out in 1989), it's like they are giving out Christmas presents to their audience. As a result, the fans indulge the band, so if they want to break out multiple tracks from the two most-recent albums instead of more expected fare, they know they can get away with it. I can't remember the last tour I heard them play "New World Man" (their only chart hit), and this was only the second time I've seen them do "Closer to the Heart." Somehow, I never complain after seeing their show.

This got me thinking about all the Journey tours I have been to. The only tour where Journey did something like this was in 2005. That was the last tour I went to, and I saw them twice. Those shows reminded me of sitting in a room when I was a teenager, taking one LP off the turntable and dropping the needle on another, listening to the songs you never got to hear on the radio. This was a show for the fans - not just the people who can sing along with "Don't Stop Believin'" and pull out lighters for "Faithfully." When Journey tries something new on its audience, it is like they are shoving it down their throats. "You will eat your broccoli if you want desert, young man!" So far they are playing 3-5 songs off Eclipse, and it's like Revelation never came out. That album sold 800,000 copies! I won't get into the Augeri era songs, because they have a new singer and those songs weren't successful, but at least acknowledge that you had moderate success with the last album by playing "After All These Years."

Even the "rare" songs they play are always the same. "Stone in Love" gets played every show. I have heard some of my favorites so much that they are almost boring to me now. Songs like "Escape" and "Ask the Lonely" could be replaced out for "Feeling that Way/Anytime," "Walks Like a Lady," or "Line of Fire." The only reason I still enjoy "Mother Father" is because Deen sings it. Here's a thought - have him sing "Patiently" or "Still They Ride" once in a while. And, for the love of God - please retire "Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'". That being said, close the show with "The Party's Over" and I will line up for the next tour in a heartbeat.

I will be taking my 9-year old daughter to see the band in July - something I have promised since I last went to see them, when I felt she was too young to enjoy a concert. I can honestly say that, unless Journey does another "Evening with" format show, I won't be paying to see them again. This will be my 11th Journey show, and quite possibly my last.
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Re: Journey, take note...

Postby RocknRoll » Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:49 am

livin2do wrote:I went to see Rush the other night, for the sixth time. I keep going back to see them because they are absolutely fearless when it comes to their song selection. Every tour I know I am going to hear them play for at least two and a half hours, and they will always throw in songs from their history that are long since forgotten, but classic nonetheless. They treat their catalog with the same reverence that their fan base does. When they pull out the monster instrumental "Leave that Thing Alone," the mid-80's chestnut "Marathon," and the title track to Presto (being played live for the first time in concert, even though the album came out in 1989), it's like they are giving out Christmas presents to their audience. As a result, the fans indulge the band, so if they want to break out multiple tracks from the two most-recent albums instead of more expected fare, they know they can get away with it. I can't remember the last tour I heard them play "New World Man" (their only chart hit), and this was only the second time I've seen them do "Closer to the Heart." Somehow, I never complain after seeing their show.

This got me thinking about all the Journey tours I have been to. The only tour where Journey did something like this was in 2005. That was the last tour I went to, and I saw them twice. Those shows reminded me of sitting in a room when I was a teenager, taking one LP off the turntable and dropping the needle on another, listening to the songs you never got to hear on the radio. This was a show for the fans - not just the people who can sing along with "Don't Stop Believin'" and pull out lighters for "Faithfully." When Journey tries something new on its audience, it is like they are shoving it down their throats. "You will eat your broccoli if you want desert, young man!" So far they are playing 3-5 songs off Eclipse, and it's like Revelation never came out. That album sold 800,000 copies! I won't get into the Augeri era songs, because they have a new singer and those songs weren't successful, but at least acknowledge that you had moderate success with the last album by playing "After All These Years."

Even the "rare" songs they play are always the same. "Stone in Love" gets played every show. I have heard some of my favorites so much that they are almost boring to me now. Songs like "Escape" and "Ask the Lonely" could be replaced out for "Feeling that Way/Anytime," "Walks Like a Lady," or "Line of Fire." The only reason I still enjoy "Mother Father" is because Deen sings it. Here's a thought - have him sing "Patiently" or "Still They Ride" once in a while. And, for the love of God - please retire "Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'". That being said, close the show with "The Party's Over" and I will line up for the next tour in a heartbeat.

I will be taking my 9-year old daughter to see the band in July - something I have promised since I last went to see them, when I felt she was too young to enjoy a concert. I can honestly say that, unless Journey does another "Evening with" format show, I won't be paying to see them again. This will be my 11th Journey show, and quite possibly my last.


Seriously what would be your ideal setlist? These guys have so much music we love
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Postby Arkansas » Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:07 am

RUSH = 90% dudes in black tshirts & sparse facial hair. The 10% women are now the wives of the dudes in black tshirts, who are only going now because they went to see '2112' or 'Moving Pictures' with their then boyfriends.

JOURNEY = 90% women & daughters, dressing alike becaue they think it's cute, and they want to sip on a girl drink and do sing-alongs. The 10% men are now the husbands (or EXs) of the women, who are only going now because they went to see 'Infinity' or 'Escape' with their then girlfriends.

Rush probably has a more hardcore fan base. Rush is probably a bigger band.
Journey has always been a band that sings love songs & feel good anthems.
Both are obviously legendary, but the comparison really is apples to oranges.
I've seen them both a gazillion times, and if I had to pick between shows, I'd go to Rush in a heartbeart. But that's probably because I'm one of the dudes who saw 2112 and/or Moving Pictures.
Btw, did you take your 9 yr old to see Rush? If not, why not?

Nice attempt though. However Journey won't mix it or change it much, because it's the women & daughters that want sing-alongs.


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Postby koberry » Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:15 am

Arkansas wrote:RUSH = 90% dudes in black tshirts & sparse facial hair. The 10% women are now the wives of the dudes in black tshirts, who are only going now because they went to see '2112' or 'Moving Pictures' with their then boyfriends.

JOURNEY = 90% women & daughters, dressing alike becaue they think it's cute, and they want to sip on a girl drink and do sing-alongs. The 10% men are now the husbands (or EXs) of the women, who are only going now because they went to see 'Infinity' or 'Escape' with their then girlfriends.

Rush probably has a more hardcore fan base. Rush is probably a bigger band.
Journey has always been a band that sings love songs & feel good anthems.
Both are obviously legendary, but the comparison really is apples to oranges.
I've seen them both a gazillion times, and if I had to pick between shows, I'd go to Rush in a heartbeart. But that's probably because I'm one of the dudes who saw 2112 and/or Moving Pictures.
Btw, did you take your 9 yr old to see Rush? If not, why not?

Nice attempt though. However Journey won't mix it or change it much, because it's the women & daughters that want sing-alongs.


later~


Sad, but true, I fear.
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Re: Journey, take note...

Postby STORY_TELLER » Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:41 am

livin2do wrote:I went to see Rush the other night, for the sixth time. I keep going back to see them because they are absolutely fearless when it comes to their song selection. Every tour I know I am going to hear them play for at least two and a half hours, and they will always throw in songs from their history that are long since forgotten, but classic nonetheless. They treat their catalog with the same reverence that their fan base does. When they pull out the monster instrumental "Leave that Thing Alone," the mid-80's chestnut "Marathon," and the title track to Presto (being played live for the first time in concert, even though the album came out in 1989), it's like they are giving out Christmas presents to their audience. As a result, the fans indulge the band, so if they want to break out multiple tracks from the two most-recent albums instead of more expected fare, they know they can get away with it. I can't remember the last tour I heard them play "New World Man" (their only chart hit), and this was only the second time I've seen them do "Closer to the Heart." Somehow, I never complain after seeing their show.

This got me thinking about all the Journey tours I have been to. The only tour where Journey did something like this was in 2005. That was the last tour I went to, and I saw them twice. Those shows reminded me of sitting in a room when I was a teenager, taking one LP off the turntable and dropping the needle on another, listening to the songs you never got to hear on the radio. This was a show for the fans - not just the people who can sing along with "Don't Stop Believin'" and pull out lighters for "Faithfully." When Journey tries something new on its audience, it is like they are shoving it down their throats. "You will eat your broccoli if you want desert, young man!" So far they are playing 3-5 songs off Eclipse, and it's like Revelation never came out. That album sold 800,000 copies! I won't get into the Augeri era songs, because they have a new singer and those songs weren't successful, but at least acknowledge that you had moderate success with the last album by playing "After All These Years."

Even the "rare" songs they play are always the same. "Stone in Love" gets played every show. I have heard some of my favorites so much that they are almost boring to me now. Songs like "Escape" and "Ask the Lonely" could be replaced out for "Feeling that Way/Anytime," "Walks Like a Lady," or "Line of Fire." The only reason I still enjoy "Mother Father" is because Deen sings it. Here's a thought - have him sing "Patiently" or "Still They Ride" once in a while. And, for the love of God - please retire "Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'". That being said, close the show with "The Party's Over" and I will line up for the next tour in a heartbeat.

I will be taking my 9-year old daughter to see the band in July - something I have promised since I last went to see them, when I felt she was too young to enjoy a concert. I can honestly say that, unless Journey does another "Evening with" format show, I won't be paying to see them again. This will be my 11th Journey show, and quite possibly my last.


For everyone one of us who feel the way you do, there are 50 ticket holders who only own one album and it's called "Journey's Greatest Hits". Add the fact that Journey are touring as a double or triple billed package which reduces their set list and the math says we lose.
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Postby steveo777 » Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:02 am

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livin2do wrote:I went to see Rush the other night, for the sixth time. I keep going back to see them because they are absolutely fearless when it comes to their song selection. Every tour I know I am going to hear them play for at least two and a half hours, and they will always throw in songs from their history that are long since forgotten, but classic nonetheless. They treat their catalog with the same reverence that their fan base does. When they pull out the monster instrumental "Leave that Thing Alone," the mid-80's chestnut "Marathon," and the title track to Presto (being played live for the first time in concert, even though the album came out in 1989), it's like they are giving out Christmas presents to their audience. As a result, the fans indulge the band, so if they want to break out multiple tracks from the two most-recent albums instead of more expected fare, they know they can get away with it. I can't remember the last tour I heard them play "New World Man" (their only chart hit), and this was only the second time I've seen them do "Closer to the Heart." Somehow, I never complain after seeing their show.

This got me thinking about all the Journey tours I have been to. The only tour where Journey did something like this was in 2005. That was the last tour I went to, and I saw them twice. Those shows reminded me of sitting in a room when I was a teenager, taking one LP off the turntable and dropping the needle on another, listening to the songs you never got to hear on the radio. This was a show for the fans - not just the people who can sing along with "Don't Stop Believin'" and pull out lighters for "Faithfully." When Journey tries something new on its audience, it is like they are shoving it down their throats. "You will eat your broccoli if you want desert, young man!" So far they are playing 3-5 songs off Eclipse, and it's like Revelation never came out. That album sold 800,000 copies! I won't get into the Augeri era songs, because they have a new singer and those songs weren't successful, but at least acknowledge that you had moderate success with the last album by playing "After All These Years."

Even the "rare" songs they play are always the same. "Stone in Love" gets played every show. I have heard some of my favorites so much that they are almost boring to me now. Songs like "Escape" and "Ask the Lonely" could be replaced out for "Feeling that Way/Anytime," "Walks Like a Lady," or "Line of Fire." The only reason I still enjoy "Mother Father" is because Deen sings it. Here's a thought - have him sing "Patiently" or "Still They Ride" once in a while. And, for the love of God - please retire "Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'". That being said, close the show with "The Party's Over" and I will line up for the next tour in a heartbeat.

I will be taking my 9-year old daughter to see the band in July - something I have promised since I last went to see them, when I felt she was too young to enjoy a concert. I can honestly say that, unless Journey does another "Evening with" format show, I won't be paying to see them again. This will be my 11th Journey show, and quite possibly my last.


For everyone one of us who feel the way you do, there are 50 ticket holders who only own one album and it's called "Journey's Greatest Hits". Add the fact that Journey are touring as a double or triple billed package which reduces their set list and the math says we lose.


Yep....that pretty much sums it up. The only deeper cuts, pretty much, are gonna be the ones we listen to on our own collections.
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Postby RocknRoll » Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:13 am

I saw the 2005 tour many time's and I loved it, after the first I had to figure out how to do it again, now how does Journey play the hits that everyone wants to hear and still play new music?? It's just not enough time. I'm really hoping after they get past the "world tour" they might do something for the fans. Mine is the Chicago Theatre, great acoustics and maybe play there a couple nights. The band just has to realize this does not diminish the tour but would be a way to appreciate the fans who have stuck with them over the years. Of course, we'd be paying up big time but it would be worth it!!
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:22 am

Agreed 110%.
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Postby tater1977 » Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:26 am

I got hooked on Journey back when Perry joined them. I had a friend who had gotten me hooked on Foreigner before then and was trying to learn everything I could about this up and coming band Foreigner.. Along with Pat Benetar about the same time.
I thought man this new singer ... Perry can hit them high notes and control them wow...
I started searching for history on the band Journey and digging some of their previous albums.
I've been a lifelong fan of Perry's and Journey..and wish both of them well...
Yes my preference is for the time Perry was with Journey & Steve's solo albums.

But my question is this...when you hear a new band or singer...doesn't anyone anymore...want to learn about the past
of the singers or bands that they like?

If I was a new Journey or Foreigner fan and bought their Greatest Hits CD & fell in love with those songs..wouldn't it make
ya want to dig further and see what other Hits they might have had in the past? Or other bands they might have been in?
Or what songs they had written or written with?

Or do folks nowadays really just love the one hit wonders and don't care about what the bands or artists might have done
in the past?
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Postby Tito » Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:22 am

First, correct on the Rush fans vs. Journey fans comparisons. I was just going to say Rush fans are dorks.

Now, when Journey ever decides what tour is going to be their last and they are never coming back to a town, they should play a set with many deep cuts. That will be for the longtime diehard fans and themselves. Fuck the Greatest Hits fans. They'll still get their songs and they've already heard them many times on previous tours but tough shit they're going to have to sit through some songs they don't know. Who cares if Journey burns the town, by playing a bunch of deep cuts, they're not coming back again. Go out on a high note with the fans have been there through the years. Plus they're good songs, so they may win some people over.
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Postby strangegrey » Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:26 am

Tito wrote:First, correct on the Rush fans vs. Journey fans comparisons. I was just going to say Rush fans are dorks.



I would even go so far as to say, that to suggest that 10% of rush fans have wives or even got laid, is really stretching it.
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Postby conversationpc » Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:38 am

strangegrey wrote:
Tito wrote:First, correct on the Rush fans vs. Journey fans comparisons. I was just going to say Rush fans are dorks.



I would even go so far as to say, that to suggest that 10% of rush fans have wives or even got laid, is really stretching it.


I know a ton of Rush fans and the stereotype presented here is nowhere near accurate.
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Postby Tito » Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:42 am

conversationpc wrote:
strangegrey wrote:
Tito wrote:First, correct on the Rush fans vs. Journey fans comparisons. I was just going to say Rush fans are dorks.



I would even go so far as to say, that to suggest that 10% of rush fans have wives or even got laid, is really stretching it.


I know a ton of Rush fans and the stereotype presented here is nowhere near accurate.


You're a Rush fan, huh? :lol:
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Tito wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
strangegrey wrote:
Tito wrote:First, correct on the Rush fans vs. Journey fans comparisons. I was just going to say Rush fans are dorks.



I would even go so far as to say, that to suggest that 10% of rush fans have wives or even got laid, is really stretching it.


I know a ton of Rush fans and the stereotype presented here is nowhere near accurate.


You're a Rush fan, huh? :lol:


Yep...Married and have been laid many times, thanks. :lol:
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Postby jestor92 » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:27 am

I don't think they would be able to pull it off which is why they won't do it. I mean hell they don't even have to put that many deep cuts into the setlist. They could play the following songs more:

Feeling That Way/Anytime
Patiently
La Do Da
Line Of Fire
Good Morning Girl
Stay Awhile
Who's Crying Now
Too Late
Just The Same Way
Do You Recall
Faith In The Heartland
The Party's Over
Girl Can't Help It
I'll Be Alright Without You
After All These Years
Message Of Love
Higher Place
When You Love A Woman
Still They Ride
After The Fall

The band has enough hits that they could play an alternate GH set and people would still eat it up.
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Postby livin2do » Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:08 pm

Arkansas wrote:RUSH = 90% dudes in black tshirts & sparse facial hair. The 10% women are now the wives of the dudes in black tshirts, who are only going now because they went to see '2112' or 'Moving Pictures' with their then boyfriends.

JOURNEY = 90% women & daughters, dressing alike becaue they think it's cute, and they want to sip on a girl drink and do sing-alongs. The 10% men are now the husbands (or EXs) of the women, who are only going now because they went to see 'Infinity' or 'Escape' with their then girlfriends.

Rush probably has a more hardcore fan base. Rush is probably a bigger band.
Journey has always been a band that sings love songs & feel good anthems.
Both are obviously legendary, but the comparison really is apples to oranges.
I've seen them both a gazillion times, and if I had to pick between shows, I'd go to Rush in a heartbeart. But that's probably because I'm one of the dudes who saw 2112 and/or Moving Pictures.
Btw, did you take your 9 yr old to see Rush? If not, why not?

Nice attempt though. However Journey won't mix it or change it much, because it's the women & daughters that want sing-alongs.


later~


Your post reminded of this quote from Herbie Herbert, from way back when I did the Castles Burning interview:

"On an act like Journey, a mid-chart hit is more desirable than a real hit. Cause once you have a real hit, and if we ever do have one, then we'll always have to have them. They'll think that you were born by the hits, and you'll die if you don't have one. And that will be true."

Herbie talked about mid-level chart hits being better for Journey than "huge" hits, and I think that is what frustrates me. Just like "Don't Stop Believin" being omnipresent over the past five years - it is a blessing and a curse. They got those huge hits with Escape, and ironically enough, we can't escape them. But my point is also that there are just no surprises whatsoever to a Journey show anymore. Not only do they play "Stone in Love" every show, it's like the fourth song they've played in every set since reforming in 1998. I admittedly haven't paid much attention to the setlists for their current European run, but I looked now and see they actually moved it - all the way to sixth. All they would have to do is mix things up a bit to keep me interested. I just want them to blow me away by pulling out three or four songs that are unexpected when I see them, and they just never do.

Oh, and to answer your question - I would bring my daughter to see Rush if she showed any interest when I play it for her. She never has. However, when she was three or four, she used to have me sing her "Don't Stop Believin" (poorly) when she went to bed at night. She still sings along to it, and loves "Wheel in the Sky" and "Lovin Touchin Squeezin" too. We bonded over the band when she was very young, and we've been talking about going to a show once she was old enough for a long time.
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Postby livin2do » Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:09 pm

conversationpc wrote:
strangegrey wrote:
Tito wrote:First, correct on the Rush fans vs. Journey fans comparisons. I was just going to say Rush fans are dorks.



I would even go so far as to say, that to suggest that 10% of rush fans have wives or even got laid, is really stretching it.


I know a ton of Rush fans and the stereotype presented here is nowhere near accurate.


Agreed.
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Re: Journey, take note...

Postby Vocalsmanvocals » Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:46 pm

livin2do wrote: Here's a thought - have him sing "Patiently" or "Still They Ride" once in a while.


I heard Deen sing patiently during a sound check at Darien Lake one year...amazing vocal!!
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Postby SF-Dano » Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:10 am

Vocalsmanvocals wrote:
livin2do wrote: Here's a thought - have him sing "Patiently" or "Still They Ride" once in a while.


I heard Deen sing patiently during a sound check at Darien Lake one year...amazing vocal!!


I have seen them do Still They Ride live twice during the Augeri years. Sung by Deen.
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Postby Eric » Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:22 am

Feeling That Way/Anytime Staple in their set 98-01. Time to bring it back
Patiently Only 2005 and 2009 I think?
La Do Da Europe tour with JSS in '07 is it I think?
Line Of Fire Can't say I've heard them play this since reforming.
Good Morning Girl NO!
Stay Awhile I have a Japanese boot they did this with lights in Japan with Augeri. Problem is they have too many ballads.
Who's Crying Now Staple early on, especially for Arrival tour...not sure why its gone now.
Too Late See Line of Fire
Just The Same Way See Feeling that way/Anytime
Do You Recall Never have heard live...would be nice.
Faith In The Heartland Only Generation tour? I just don't think they can afford to play "new" songs that aren't off Eclipse. Not enough time.
The Party's Over I think we can all agree this should close every show. It didn't sound good live when I heard them do it though...maybe in '04?
Girl Can't Help It Nope...they did play it on Vacation Over tour - but there isn't room for it.
I'll Be Alright Without You Pops in and out...JSS owned it. I'd prefer this be in the setlist over any other "ballad"
After All These Years See Faith in the Heartland
Message Of Love Went over flat on Arrival tour as opener. See After All these year and Faith in the Heartland anyway.
Higher Place They did this is 2009. It's a keeper in my book...but see After All these year and Faith in the Heartland
When You Love A Woman NO! They did in 98, 01 and 08. Too many ballads!
Still They Ride I've seen this plenty of times. It's nice when Dean-O does it, but I'd prefer to see him do Where were you or Mother, Father.
After The Fall I think they tried this during Arrival tour. I'm not a huge fan of it.
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Postby jestor92 » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:02 am

Eric wrote:Feeling That Way/Anytime Staple in their set 98-01. Time to bring it back
Patiently Only 2005 and 2009 I think?
La Do Da Europe tour with JSS in '07 is it I think?
Line Of Fire Can't say I've heard them play this since reforming.
Good Morning Girl NO!
Stay Awhile I have a Japanese boot they did this with lights in Japan with Augeri. Problem is they have too many ballads.
Who's Crying Now Staple early on, especially for Arrival tour...not sure why its gone now.
Too Late See Line of Fire
Just The Same Way See Feeling that way/Anytime
Do You Recall Never have heard live...would be nice.
Faith In The Heartland Only Generation tour? I just don't think they can afford to play "new" songs that aren't off Eclipse. Not enough time.
The Party's Over I think we can all agree this should close every show. It didn't sound good live when I heard them do it though...maybe in '04?
Girl Can't Help It Nope...they did play it on Vacation Over tour - but there isn't room for it.
I'll Be Alright Without You Pops in and out...JSS owned it. I'd prefer this be in the setlist over any other "ballad"
After All These Years See Faith in the Heartland
Message Of Love Went over flat on Arrival tour as opener. See After All these year and Faith in the Heartland anyway.
Higher Place They did this is 2009. It's a keeper in my book...but see After All these year and Faith in the Heartland
When You Love A Woman NO! They did in 98, 01 and 08. Too many ballads!
Still They Ride I've seen this plenty of times. It's nice when Dean-O does it, but I'd prefer to see him do Where were you or Mother, Father.
After The Fall I think they tried this during Arrival tour. I'm not a huge fan of it.


I personally think they should try to get at least one song from Revelation in the set. Granted I'm not a fan of the album, but with it being Arnie's debut album they should get one song in there.

I personally don't understand why they don't have a rotating setlist for the tour. By rotating I mean they pick out the GH songs they're going to play, the new songs they'll play, then they'll pick a bunch of random tracks and rotate them in and out of the setlist throughout the tour. From the set they did on 6-9 I'd say Only The Young, Ask the Lonely, and Send Her My Love would be the song spots I'd rotate.
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Postby Eric » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:15 am

jestor92 wrote: I personally don't understand why they don't have a rotating setlist for the tour. By rotating I mean they pick out the GH songs they're going to play, the new songs they'll play, then they'll pick a bunch of random tracks and rotate them in and out of the setlist throughout the tour. From the set they did on 6-9 I'd say Only The Young, Ask the Lonely, and Send Her My Love would be the song spots I'd rotate.


They always do a lot of changing in-tour (except for the 2002 Under the Radar tour). I'd expect to see some different stuff here and there. Much more difficult with a triple bill, though. Feeling That Way/Anytime and Just the Same way need to find their way back in...no question.
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Postby brywool » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:48 am

jestor92 wrote:
I personally think they should try to get at least one song from Revelation in the set. ... but with it being Arnie's debut album they should get one song in there.


YUP. Kinda tells their fans "yeah, we put this out and it sold as much as an album can by a band that's been around this long, but we're not standing by it."
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Postby WykkedSensation » Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:59 am

Eric wrote:Feeling That Way/Anytime Staple in their set 98-01. Time to bring it back
Patiently Only 2005 and 2009 I think?
La Do Da Europe tour with JSS in '07 is it I think?
Line Of Fire Can't say I've heard them play this since reforming.
Good Morning Girl NO!
Stay Awhile I have a Japanese boot they did this with lights in Japan with Augeri. Problem is they have too many ballads.
Who's Crying Now Staple early on, especially for Arrival tour...not sure why its gone now.
Too Late See Line of Fire
Just The Same Way See Feeling that way/Anytime
Do You Recall Never have heard live...would be nice.
Faith In The Heartland Only Generation tour? I just don't think they can afford to play "new" songs that aren't off Eclipse. Not enough time.
The Party's Over I think we can all agree this should close every show. It didn't sound good live when I heard them do it though...maybe in '04?
Girl Can't Help It Nope...they did play it on Vacation Over tour - but there isn't room for it.
I'll Be Alright Without You Pops in and out...JSS owned it. I'd prefer this be in the setlist over any other "ballad"
After All These Years See Faith in the Heartland
Message Of Love Went over flat on Arrival tour as opener. See After All these year and Faith in the Heartland anyway.
Higher Place They did this is 2009. It's a keeper in my book...but see After All these year and Faith in the Heartland
When You Love A Woman NO! They did in 98, 01 and 08. Too many ballads!
Still They Ride I've seen this plenty of times. It's nice when Dean-O does it, but I'd prefer to see him do Where were you or Mother, Father.
After The Fall I think they tried this during Arrival tour. I'm not a huge fan of it.





Do You Recall Never have heard live...would be nice. Played a few times on the Escape tour, included on a fantastic FM boot from Chicago.
Message Of Love Went over flat on Arrival tour as opener. See After All these year and Faith in the Heartland anyway. Soto was awesome on this when he was with the band.
After The Fall I think they tried this during Arrival tour. I'm not a huge fan of it.[/quote] This was played in 03 and during the Soto year. It was amazing.
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Postby conversationpc » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:46 am

WykkedSensation wrote:Do You Recall Never have heard live...would be nice. Played a few times on the Escape tour, included on a fantastic FM boot from Chicago.


I'd put this song just behind "Homemade Love" on the list for a Journey Crapfest CD. :lol:
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:31 am

"Back Talk" will always have that award in my book.
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Postby JRNYMAN » Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:30 pm

WykkedSensation wrote:
Eric wrote:Feeling That Way/Anytime Staple in their set 98-01. Time to bring it back
Patiently Only 2005 and 2009 I think?
La Do Da Europe tour with JSS in '07 is it I think?
Line Of Fire Can't say I've heard them play this since reforming.
Good Morning Girl NO!
Stay Awhile I have a Japanese boot they did this with lights in Japan with Augeri. Problem is they have too many ballads.
Who's Crying Now Staple early on, especially for Arrival tour...not sure why its gone now.
Too Late See Line of Fire
Just The Same Way See Feeling that way/Anytime
Do You Recall Never have heard live...would be nice.
Faith In The Heartland Only Generation tour? I just don't think they can afford to play "new" songs that aren't off Eclipse. Not enough time.
The Party's Over I think we can all agree this should close every show. It didn't sound good live when I heard them do it though...maybe in '04?
Girl Can't Help It Nope...they did play it on Vacation Over tour - but there isn't room for it.
I'll Be Alright Without You Pops in and out...JSS owned it. I'd prefer this be in the setlist over any other "ballad"
After All These Years See Faith in the Heartland
Message Of Love Went over flat on Arrival tour as opener. See After All these year and Faith in the Heartland anyway.
Higher Place They did this is 2009. It's a keeper in my book...but see After All these year and Faith in the Heartland
When You Love A Woman NO! They did in 98, 01 and 08. Too many ballads!
Still They Ride I've seen this plenty of times. It's nice when Dean-O does it, but I'd prefer to see him do Where were you or Mother, Father.
After The Fall I think they tried this during Arrival tour. I'm not a huge fan of it.






Message Of Love [b]Went over flat on Arrival tour as opener. See After All these year and Faith in the Heartland anyway. Soto was awesome on this when he was with the band.

Agreed 100%. JSS's delivery of Message of Love is brilliant. No question he was channeling Perry during that one. His intonations, vocal inflections, nuances, etc. were nearly perfect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELD-d-h_qfs

After The Fall I think they tried this during Arrival tour. I'm not a huge fan of it. This was played in 03 and during the Soto year. It was amazing.

Soto did a pretty fair job but Deen flat out killed on this one. Add to that the band was really in sync with the harmonies on this tour (maybe they used the studio version of the harmonies... I TEASE, I TEASE....) Whatever the case, they nailed this one live.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1O9w8at9JI
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Postby swataz » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:27 pm

Seven Wishes wrote:"Back Talk" will always have that award in my book.


Worst Journey song EVER.
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