The new setlist sucks, 99% the same as last year.

by **TotoFan77** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:29 am

What on Earth happened? Why is it almost exactly the same as last year? Found this on Totonetwork:

# Child's anthem
# Till the end
# Afraid of love
# Lovers in the night
# Somewhere tonight (ending in no woman no cry)
# Rosanna
# Lea
# Gift of faith
# Pamela
# Solo David Paich
# Africa
# Human nature (for Mike)
# Stay away
# Georgy porgy
# Solo Luke
# Stop loving you
# Home for the brave
# after the "bis": Hold the line

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:22 am

Yea, I just saw that too. I'm not surprised. Like Bobby, Joe's voice can only sing certain songs before it blows out. I don't care what anybody says. I've heard the boots.

Cool that they added Human Nature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahql5bwmqNg

by **Andrew** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:52 pm

TotoFan77 wrote:What on Earth happened? Why is it almost exactly the same as last year? Found this on Totonetwork:

So what? They are doing different cities.

WTF is your problem with everything this band does?

by **Irwin M Fletcher** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:17 pm

Andrew wrote:
TotoFan77 wrote:What on Earth happened? Why is it almost exactly the same as last year? Found this on Totonetwork:

So what? They are doing different cities.

WTF is your problem with everything this band does?

well said andrew! all the reviews im reading are saying that the setlist sucks and its the same as last year, it aint really, as there is a few new songs. i seen Toto for the first time in Berlin last year and they were amazing! Joe sang his ass off and the sound was top drawer. Me and the boys are headin down to London on sunday morning to see them again, and im sure it will be fantastic! Luke has been chattin to fans on his facebook page and he answers every question, yet some folks are still not happy, but i guess everyone is entitled to their opinion eh? i think the setlist rocks...it certainly did last year

by **TotoFan77** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:18 am

Andrew wrote:
TotoFan77 wrote:What on Earth happened? Why is it almost exactly the same as last year? Found this on Totonetwork:

So what? They are doing different cities.

WTF is your problem with everything this band does?

If this band does something stupid then I'm going to call them out on it and criticize them. I'm not an ass kisser like the sheep that are on Totonetwork

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:56 am

I agree with TOTOFan77. Why bring the band back and do the same stale setlist? Luke's got his buds back. Time to kick ass.

by **TotoFan77** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:07 am

Thanks man and the whole thing about Joe not being able to sing certain songs is still no excuse for picking the same fucking setlist. Joe could sing "A Thousand Years" and "Mushanga", it would have been awesome if those 2 were included. Also, there's many that Dave and Luke sing that could've been included but weren't.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:24 am

I think they should add "Bottom of Your Soul" to the set list. Joe did vox for that anyway. On an unrelated note, Joe looks even more fat than Mike Reno or Bobby at his worst. I remember during one of his FIB guest appearances he looked svelte and fit. I strongly doubt there will be a dvd of this tour. Joe looks like a bedraggled fat hobo.

He sounds really good here on HIL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLl4V_qkKVc&NR=1

by **St.George** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:44 am

TotoFan77 wrote:If this band does something stupid then I'm going to call them out on it and criticize them. I'm not an ass kisser like the sheep that are on Totonetwork

I absolutely second and give you my WHOLE support, TotoFan77. I'm a longtime TOTO fan and I was quite an active member on the official TOTO messageboard (now TotoNetwork) since the Mindfields album. But there always has been plenty of stupid sheep right there. There's no chance of criticism to happen. I left that shit hole after the release of the "Through the Looking Glass" album. Mods, and even some members of the band, considered that I was a negative person just for expressing my opinion regarding that album, which IMO was utter shit (still IS, but now it's assumed by the majority). I felt kinda betrayed and disappointed for that, because I've been following them for ages. They didn't allow fans to express themselves when they don't have "something possitive to say". And that's something I will always reproach to the band.

by **TotoFan77** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:49 am

Thanks alot man! I agree completely, the Totonetwork was piece of crap. You weren't allowed to say anything negative at all without getting attacked, even if it was constructive criticism and Luke would always come in and post these really crazy rants. I hated it there.

by **Andrew** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:17 pm

TotoFan77 wrote:Thanks alot man! I agree completely, the Totonetwork was piece of crap. You weren't allowed to say anything negative at all without getting attacked, even if it was constructive criticism and Luke would always come in and post these really crazy rants. I hated it there.

You can be constructive in your criticism here also, but sometimes you have to give it a rest.

by **Ehwmatt** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:55 pm

I wouldn't say it sucks, but it is a pretty bland setlist to my eyes. What about at least busting out Goin Home? Was Joseph on that tune? He was on BG wasn't he?

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:23 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:I wouldn't say it sucks, but it is a pretty bland setlist to my eyes. What about at least busting out Goin Home? Was Joseph on that tune? He was on BG wasn't he?

He co-wrote it and later recorded a version for one of his solo discs. The Bobby version is superior.

by **Starrider** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:22 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:I wouldn't say it sucks, but it is a pretty bland setlist to my eyes. What about at least busting out Goin Home? Was Joseph on that tune? He was on BG wasn't he?

He co-wrote it and later recorded a version for one of his solo discs. The Bobby version is superior.

Agreed. Joe's version has some pretty lame lyrics, like, "In the land of milk & honey, gotta pay the man with money." The best part about Joe's version is that Fergie and Bobby sing bg vox and sing some solo "answer" vocals late in the song. Fergie sounds great in it.

Toto version with Bobby on lead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h46th1ICeZg

Joe's solo version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRdlYZf0Fcs&feature=related

The intro to Joe's version is pretty good.

Here is a drunken reunion version from 1998 with both Bobby and Joe. Bobby sounds like dogsh*t here. I think his vision may have been blurred from all the alcohol and he couldn't read the lyrics sheets or teleprompter he was supposed to be using:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql95RKvQ0jc&feature=related

Goin' Home is a great song. It seems it was a throwaway that they stuck on XX.

I got to see Toto a few years ago in Connecticut. Great show. Hope they tour the US again.

by **Irwin M Fletcher** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:43 pm

i understand what u guys r saying but theres always some folk who are never happy with a bands setlist. i thought Toto's set last year was great and there is a few differences this year, GIFT OF FAITH, HUMAN NATURE. i would have loved to hear GOIN HOME, ONLY THE CHILDREN COULD THIS BE LOVE or even ENDLESS but those songs are so high for anyone to sing, thats why there stickin to songs in a lower key? Joe is in his 50s now? although he can still kick ass, no doubt about that! i did read that Luke wanted some Steve P songs in the set, the problem is that all his songs are ballads. there is still a few rockers though - HOLD THE LINE, STAY AWAY, GIFT OF FAITH, HOME OF THE BRAVE. i have seen a few bands live, where i felt the set could have been better, but i honestly really like this set

by **TotoFan77** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:32 am

Irwin M Fletcher wrote:i understand what u guys r saying but theres always some folk who are never happy with a bands setlist. i thought Toto's set last year was great and there is a few differences this year, GIFT OF FAITH, HUMAN NATURE. i would have loved to hear GOIN HOME, ONLY THE CHILDREN COULD THIS BE LOVE or even ENDLESS but those songs are so high for anyone to sing, thats why there stickin to songs in a lower key? Joe is in his 50s now? although he can still kick ass, no doubt about that! i did read that Luke wanted some Steve P songs in the set, the problem is that all his songs are ballads. there is still a few rockers though - HOLD THE LINE, STAY AWAY, GIFT OF FAITH, HOME OF THE BRAVE. i have seen a few bands live, where i felt the set could have been better, but i honestly really like this set

That's complete bullshit, I said MANY times that I LIKED last years setlist. I even said a few days that Toto is the best they've been in years. So it's not a case of never being happy. This setlist simply sucks IMO.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:59 am

Irwin M Fletcher wrote: i would have loved to hear GOIN HOME, ONLY THE CHILDREN COULD THIS BE LOVE or even ENDLESS but those songs are so high for anyone to sing, thats why there stickin to songs in a lower key? Joe is in his 50s now? although he can still kick ass, no doubt about that!

Easy. Pull a Journey and get a young cat that can actually sing the hell out of the material. If Luke's No. 1 priority is hanging with his buds, he can pay Joe to just tag along on the tour bus. I'll say it again, trading one former drug abusing AARP-age fat tenor for another, is not trading up. That is a net zero game where everyone stands to lose.

by **Irwin M Fletcher** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:02 am

TotoFan77 wrote:
Irwin M Fletcher wrote:i understand what u guys r saying but theres always some folk who are never happy with a bands setlist. i thought Toto's set last year was great and there is a few differences this year, GIFT OF FAITH, HUMAN NATURE. i would have loved to hear GOIN HOME, ONLY THE CHILDREN COULD THIS BE LOVE or even ENDLESS but those songs are so high for anyone to sing, thats why there stickin to songs in a lower key? Joe is in his 50s now? although he can still kick ass, no doubt about that! i did read that Luke wanted some Steve P songs in the set, the problem is that all his songs are ballads. there is still a few rockers though - HOLD THE LINE, STAY AWAY, GIFT OF FAITH, HOME OF THE BRAVE. i have seen a few bands live, where i felt the set could have been better, but i honestly really like this set

That's complete bullshit, I said MANY times that I LIKED last years setlist. I even said a few days that Toto is the best they've been in years. So it's not a case of never being happy. This setlist simply sucks IMO.

whats complete bullshit? my opinion?

by **Andrew** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:59 am

TotoFan77 wrote: This setlist simply sucks IMO.

Sounds like a happy long time Toto fan! NOT! :shock:

by **totobob** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:50 pm

Ive been a fan since the first album and most certainly have been critical in the past. In particular regarding the increasing solo spots throughout the live shows which just spoiled the shows momentum. I didnt get to see them last year, so to see them with Steve Porcaro and Joseph Williams for the first time with this set list was just superb. I felt it was a superb balance of rock, ballad and funk. I saw them at Londons Hammersmith and they nailed it. In summary a brilliant set list.

by **Sundet** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:11 pm

Setlist is good. Could probably have wished for a bit of a change from last year, but I understand they did not have the time. It's OK as long as they don't end up like REO Speedwagon and Chicago who have not changed their sets for almost 30 years.

by **totobob** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:03 am

surely that will never happen as the setlist has changed constantly over the years and will surely continue.

by **Sundet** » Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:53 am

totobob wrote:surely that will never happen as the setlist has changed constantly over the years and will surely continue.

Exactly! With all due respect for the legacies of, say, REO and Chicago, Toto have always clung on to their integrity.

by **Irwin M Fletcher** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:23 am

I was down in London for the Toto show and all i can say 10 out of 10!!! That was my 2nd Toto show after seeing the guys in Berlin last year. I thought it was great. and it was nice to hear HUMAN NATURE live, seeing as it was Steve Porcaro who wrote it for MJ! I like that the setlist was totally different from the 2007 FIB setlist. Toto are trying something different....setlist, band members, etc. I just hope that they decide to do a new album. Luke has said there will not be a new album but i think its just a matter of time until someone says 'lets hit the studio', although FALLING IN BETWEEN would be a tough album to follow. Fingers crossed we will see another one soon

by **TotoFan77** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:46 am

Sundet wrote:
totobob wrote:surely that will never happen as the setlist has changed constantly over the years and will surely continue.

Exactly! With all due respect for the legacies of, say, REO and Chicago, Toto have always clung on to their integrity.

Integrity? What integrity? Up until 2008, they were using canned vocals and lip syncing parts to almost a quarter of the setlist. Then on the last dvd, they autotuned the vocals and then insulted their own fans intelligence by completely denying it even after cellphone footage appeared on You Tube proving that autotune was used. Sorry but Toto doesn't have much integrity.

by **DracIsBack** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:58 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote: I'll say it again, trading one former drug abusing AARP-age fat tenor for another, is not trading up. That is a net zero game where everyone stands to lose.

You've said it soo many times your stance is hammered home. Point taken.

To the original poster ... what makes you right and someone who likes the setlist wrong? Seriously. Would it kill some of you to say "I think", "I felt", "In my opinion"?
I won't get to see the shows and I was pissed that the DVD didn't get released, so I'm glad there's a second chance to get it.

by **TotoFan77** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:51 pm

I love how you chose not to reply to my response last time on this subject. You need to seriously get some help if you're so bothered by this that you need to keep bringing it up.

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... t=#4580414

by **Andrew** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:34 pm

TotoFan77 wrote:I love how you chose not to reply to my response last time on this subject. You need to seriously get some help if you're so bothered by this that you need to keep bringing it up.

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... t=#4580414

Give it a rest already.

by **totobob** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:24 am

In response to Totofan 77. Dude if this is a band that you actually like, Id hate to see your posts on bands that you dont like. You come across as someone who has a major beef with the band.

by **TotoFan77** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:23 am

Here's the thing, I'm a fan but I'm not an ass kisser. I like the music they've made but this band also makes a ton of stupid decisions and I have a right to call them out on it. It's the same thing with Styx, I'm a fan of them too but the things they've done since 1999 are terrible and I don't let me being a fan of them cloud judgment. I don't think any band is perfect, every band has done stupid things, it's just that Toto has done alot more stupid things than other bands.

MR

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