WHERE'S THE HOOKS???

[The_Noble_Cause]

You dont need 10 listens to like it. Remember Me, Higher Place, Faith In The Heartland, Turn Down The World Tonight, After All These Years, and the CLASSIC What I Needed are all GREAT songs that dont need multiple listens before they start to grow on you.

This is false. I remember when Andrew got a sneak preview of Gens, he mentioned that the chorus of FITH was subtle. Other posters echoed the same comments. Truthfully, aside from the Blades/Schon contributions (i.e. HP, RM, WGW, IGAR, NTL) many of the post-Perry songs are somewhat meandering. A few Cain/Schon songs (TPIYH comes to mind) have instant hooky choruses, but many do not. Is this becuz of Perry's absence? Possibly. I'd still take this Journey over no Journey.

[strangegrey]

every song on Eclipse has a hook... it looks like this:

Yup...nearly every one of the songs on eclipse are fucking dredging The ocean floor....

[Arkansas]

Makes me laugh a little when defenders of songs, or entire albums, dismiss others with that "they don't get it" comment. Just because someone doesn't like something, it doesn't mean they "don't get it". Maybe, they just don't f'ing like it!?!? Geez.


later~

[wednesday's child]

every song on Eclipse has a hook... it looks like this:

The thing's missing a "chain, chain, Chain, CHAIN of love"

[steveo777]

Makes me laugh a little when defenders of songs, or entire albums, dismiss others with that "they don't get it" comment. Just because someone doesn't like something, it doesn't mean they "don't get it". Maybe, they just don't f'ing like it!?!? Geez.


later~

Ya ya, same can be directed to those who do get it, who come under equal criticism, including Andrew, for giving it stellar ratings.

[Greg]

Makes me laugh a little when defenders of songs, or entire albums, dismiss others with that "they don't get it" comment. Just because someone doesn't like something, it doesn't mean they "don't get it". Maybe, they just don't f'ing like it!?!? Geez.


later~

+1000000

[Seven Wishes2]

Yep. I just don't like it. 3 cuts made the iPod Journey mix...the rest will fade into oblivion behind the cat box.

[Blueskies]

I've already played Eclipse more then I have any other single album in years and I'm still loving it.

[steveo777]

I've already played Eclipse more then I have any other single album in years and I'm still loving it.

Me too!

I think some people just have crappy sound systems.

[Blueskies]

I've already played Eclipse more then I have any other single album in years and I'm still loving it.

Me too!

I think some people just have crappy sound systems.

That very well may be part of the problem because it sounds absolutely fantastic coming through my speakers.

[slucero]

sonically its fine... musically.. it is not ... IMHO....

[Blueskies]

sonically its fine... musically.. it is not ... IMHO....

Oh hush, you, and.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAVlk4F2qkw

[The_Noble_Cause]

Makes me laugh a little when defenders of songs, or entire albums, dismiss others with that "they don't get it" comment. Just because someone doesn't like something, it doesn't mean they "don't get it". Maybe, they just don't f'ing like it!?!? Geez.


later~

I think "defenders" (and I'll gladly include myself in that lot) take issue with wild OTT opinions that state that Eclipse sounds nothing like Journey or that "Tantra" is the worst song in the history of civilization. With the exception of "Edge of the Moment", there's alot to these songs which sound very Journeyish - just with more Neal and less keys. If you don't dig it, that's fine. But don't tell me that Cain/Schon have forgotten how to craft a solid tune. Go re-listen to Hardline or Bad English. It may not be the magic of Perry/Cain/Schon, but it's still there.

[S2M]

Makes me laugh a little when defenders of songs, or entire albums, dismiss others with that "they don't get it" comment. Just because someone doesn't like something, it doesn't mean they "don't get it". Maybe, they just don't f'ing like it!?!? Geez.


later~

I think "defenders" (and I'll gladly include myself in that lot) take issue with wild OTT opinions that state that Eclipse sounds nothing like Journey or that "Tantra" is the worst song in the history of civilization. With the exception of "Edge of the Moment", there's alot to these songs which sound very Journeyish - just with more Neal and less keys. If you don't dig it, that's fine. But don't tell me that Cain/Schon have forgotten how to craft a solid tune. Go re-listen to Hardline or Bad English. It may not be the magic of Perry/Cain/Schon, but it's still there.

Yeah, but that's the thing, TNC...you had to go outside of 'Journey', and referenced 2 side projects as your evidence....

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yeah, but that's the thing, TNC...you had to go outside of 'Journey', and referenced 2 side projects as your evidence....

There's a certain Schon/Cain chemistry, even if it's not as good as the triumvirate of Perry/Cain/Schon. Even when Bad English came out, I thought alot of it sounded like Journey. Some of the demos they did with Bolton sounded like Journey material. If you thought that Journey w/out Perry would be exactly the same as Journey with Perry, you're delluding yourself.

[youkeepmewaiting]

Makes me laugh a little when defenders of songs, or entire albums, dismiss others with that "they don't get it" comment. Just because someone doesn't like something, it doesn't mean they "don't get it". Maybe, they just don't f'ing like it!?!? Geez.


later~

I think "defenders" (and I'll gladly include myself in that lot) take issue with wild OTT opinions that state that Eclipse sounds nothing like Journey or that "Tantra" is the worst song in the history of civilization. With the exception of "Edge of the Moment", there's alot to these songs which sound very Journeyish - just with more Neal and less keys. If you don't dig it, that's fine. But don't tell me that Cain/Schon have forgotten how to craft a solid tune. Go re-listen to Hardline or Bad English. It may not be the magic of Perry/Cain/Schon, but it's still there.

Yeah, but that's the thing, TNC...you had to go outside of 'Journey', and referenced 2 side projects as your evidence....

Well he could use Journey songs as examples but that's not quite the point he was making. It all still sounds like Journey. If Cain and Schon are working together no matter what the name is you can still hear a Journeyish sound coming through. Just the way it is.

[Gideon]

Makes me laugh a little when defenders of songs, or entire albums, dismiss others with that "they don't get it" comment. Just because someone doesn't like something, it doesn't mean they "don't get it". Maybe, they just don't f'ing like it!?!? Geez.


later~

I think "defenders" (and I'll gladly include myself in that lot) take issue with wild OTT opinions that state that Eclipse sounds nothing like Journey or that "Tantra" is the worst song in the history of civilization. With the exception of "Edge of the Moment", there's alot to these songs which sound very Journeyish - just with more Neal and less keys. If you don't dig it, that's fine. But don't tell me that Cain/Schon have forgotten how to craft a solid tune. Go re-listen to Hardline or Bad English. It may not be the magic of Perry/Cain/Schon, but it's still there.

+1

[S2M]

IMHO, this stuff is catchy and hook-laden. To TNC's point - it doesn't sound like Journey AT ALL. Sorry. Hardline puts Journey to shame.

Taking Me Down - Hardline
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcARPRLWMec

Everything - Hardline
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKJgxnEBWPk&feature=related

Love Leads the Way - Hardline
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zAS3C7Ix-A&feature=related

I'll Be There - Hardline
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3bzEBzOoLQ


and something for Hardline II

Y - Hardline
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKImAn4vGV0&feature=related

Face the Night - Hardline
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJCdsuFk1F4

Weight - Hardline
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5QR8EXo3qo&feature=related

[S2M]

You dont need 10 listens to like it. Remember Me, Higher Place, Faith In The Heartland, Turn Down The World Tonight, After All These Years, and the CLASSIC What I Needed are all GREAT songs that dont need multiple listens before they start to grow on you.

This is false. I remember when Andrew got a sneak preview of Gens, he mentioned that the chorus of FITH was subtle. Other posters echoed the same comments. Truthfully, aside from the Blades/Schon contributions (i.e. HP, RM, WGW, IGAR, NTL) many of the post-Perry songs are somewhat meandering. A few Cain/Schon songs (TPIYH comes to mind) have instant hooky choruses, but many do not. Is this becuz of Perry's absence? Possibly. I'd still take this Journey over no Journey.

BINGO!!! You hit the nail. People would rather have a subpar Journey than no Journey, yet they'd rather have no SP than a struggling SP....double-standard? Hmmm....

[Gideon]

I firmly believe that people will find whatever they look for. If you expect Eclipse to succeed, you'll find merit. If you expect it to fail, you'll find fault. JM2C.

[The_Noble_Cause]

BINGO!!! You hit the nail. People would rather have a subpar Journey than no Journey, yet they'd rather have no SP than a struggling SP....double-standard? Hmmm....

Err...I wasn't talking about Steve Perry. Seems like someone is still harboring a 13 year old grudge. I'd love a new Perry-Journey album, or any Perry album. Not sure what Perry's self-imposed absence from the music world has to do with anything.

[Gideon]

You dont need 10 listens to like it. Remember Me, Higher Place, Faith In The Heartland, Turn Down The World Tonight, After All These Years, and the CLASSIC What I Needed are all GREAT songs that dont need multiple listens before they start to grow on you.

This is false. I remember when Andrew got a sneak preview of Gens, he mentioned that the chorus of FITH was subtle. Other posters echoed the same comments. Truthfully, aside from the Blades/Schon contributions (i.e. HP, RM, WGW, IGAR, NTL) many of the post-Perry songs are somewhat meandering. A few Cain/Schon songs (TPIYH comes to mind) have instant hooky choruses, but many do not. Is this becuz of Perry's absence? Possibly. I'd still take this Journey over no Journey.

BINGO!!! You hit the nail. People would rather have a subpar Journey than no Journey, yet they'd rather have no SP than a struggling SP....double-standard? Hmmm....

This "sub-par" Journey can still play their instruments with great proficiency; Perry, apparently, can't. It's an inherently different issue.

[S2M]

BINGO!!! You hit the nail. People would rather have a subpar Journey than no Journey, yet they'd rather have no SP than a struggling SP....double-standard? Hmmm....

Err...I wasn't talking about Steve Perry. Seems like someone is still harboring a 13 year old grudge. I'd love a new Perry-Journey album, or any Perry album. Not sure what Perry's self-imposed absence from the music world has to do with anything.

I know you weren't talking about SP. But you did get my point. I was drawing a comparison between the 2. I know you caught it, but chose to point out that that wasn't what you were talking about. Are you a Republican?

[StevePerryHair]

You dont need 10 listens to like it. Remember Me, Higher Place, Faith In The Heartland, Turn Down The World Tonight, After All These Years, and the CLASSIC What I Needed are all GREAT songs that dont need multiple listens before they start to grow on you.

This is false. I remember when Andrew got a sneak preview of Gens, he mentioned that the chorus of FITH was subtle. Other posters echoed the same comments. Truthfully, aside from the Blades/Schon contributions (i.e. HP, RM, WGW, IGAR, NTL) many of the post-Perry songs are somewhat meandering. A few Cain/Schon songs (TPIYH comes to mind) have instant hooky choruses, but many do not. Is this becuz of Perry's absence? Possibly. I'd still take this Journey over no Journey.

BINGO!!! You hit the nail. People would rather have a subpar Journey than no Journey, yet they'd rather have no SP than a struggling SP....double-standard? Hmmm....

I wouldnt care about a struggling SP! I enjoy a struggling Joe Elliott, a struggling JBJ, a struggling Johnny Rzeznik....how can they be expected to sound the same? It's ridiculous to think they should.

[S2M]

You dont need 10 listens to like it. Remember Me, Higher Place, Faith In The Heartland, Turn Down The World Tonight, After All These Years, and the CLASSIC What I Needed are all GREAT songs that dont need multiple listens before they start to grow on you.

This is false. I remember when Andrew got a sneak preview of Gens, he mentioned that the chorus of FITH was subtle. Other posters echoed the same comments. Truthfully, aside from the Blades/Schon contributions (i.e. HP, RM, WGW, IGAR, NTL) many of the post-Perry songs are somewhat meandering. A few Cain/Schon songs (TPIYH comes to mind) have instant hooky choruses, but many do not. Is this becuz of Perry's absence? Possibly. I'd still take this Journey over no Journey.

BINGO!!! You hit the nail. People would rather have a subpar Journey than no Journey, yet they'd rather have no SP than a struggling SP....double-standard? Hmmm....

This "sub-par" Journey can still play their instruments with great proficiency; Perry, apparently, can't. It's an inherently different issue.

ok, but not really the point. They are churning out subpar SONG STRUCTURES. Let Neal wank on his axe. Does nothing for me. Let Deen pound on his skins like some PCP-driven lunatic - does nothing for me. Let Arnel wail on these lackluster compositions - boring. They are subpar, yet people want them around - because, 'At least they are still around'...yet people always refer to SP as the dude who ain't got it no more. And if he did come back...it would be an AC borefest....witness the double standard.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I know you weren't talking about SP. But you did get my point. I was drawing a comparison between the 2. I know you caught it, but chose to point out that that wasn't what you were talking about. Are you a Republican?

Not trying to be a dick. Honestly. I really didn't get your point. Still don't. Let's try this again. The public-at-large supports a Perryless Journey (at least thru buying concert tix and greatest hits dvds). Yet the masses would rather have no SP at all? Is that what your saying? I think the public would support new Perry music.

[Gideon]

ok, but not really the point. They are churning out subpar SONG STRUCTURES. Let Neal wank on his axe. Does nothing for me. Let Deen pound on his skins like some PCP-driven lunatic - does nothing for me. Let Arnel wail on these lackluster compositions - boring. They are subpar, yet people want them around - because, 'At least they are still around'...yet people always refer to SP as the dude who ain't got it no more. And if he did come back...it would be an AC borefest....witness the double standard.

Again, it's an inherently different issue. What you find sub-par is entirely subjective. Perry being unable to perform at a sufficient level really isn't: The loss of range, technical proficiency, and stamina isn't a subjective issue or up for opinion. That's why people like myself are content with this incarnation of Journey but would likely be dissatisfied with a Perry-led Journey. If Perry isn't in fine form, I don't want to hear him front Journey.

[The_Noble_Cause]

They are subpar, yet people want them around - because, 'At least they are still around'..

Not sure what ur talking about. I want them around because I enjoy the new music; not as some sort of nostalgic securtity blanket. It's the same reason I wanted the SA lineup to stick around. As long as Schon/Cain are working together, why not do it as Journey? I don't think any fan realistically expects the new lineup to make the world start to spin back on its axis and recreate 1983 all over again.

[S2M]

They are subpar, yet people want them around - because, 'At least they are still around'..

Not sure what ur talking about. I want them around because I enjoy the new music; not as some sort of nostalgic securtity blanket. It's the same reason I wanted the SA lineup to stick around. As long as Schon/Cain are working together, why not do it as Journey? I don't think any fan realistically expects the new lineup to make the world start to spin back on its axis and recreate 1983 all over again.

Yet you said this at the top of the page:

This is false. I remember when Andrew got a sneak preview of Gens, he mentioned that the chorus of FITH was subtle. Other posters echoed the same comments. Truthfully, aside from the Blades/Schon contributions (i.e. HP, RM, WGW, IGAR, NTL) many of the post-Perry songs are somewhat meandering. A few Cain/Schon songs (TPIYH comes to mind) have instant hooky choruses, but many do not. Is this becuz of Perry's absence? Possibly. I'd still take this Journey over no Journey.

Which *I* took as at least they are still around

and Hardline still puts Journey to shame....

[The_Noble_Cause]

Which *I* took as at least they are still around

I've said repeatedly that alot of Post-Perry Journey sounds like Bad English to me. Hey, that's ok! BE was a pretty good band. It's only subpar when compared to the heights the Escape lineup achieved in the 80s (which is not a realistic standard). ROR, when Perry was still around, was Journey at its most subpar. So a Perry-led Journey is no gurantee of quality. However, I do think his touch is missing in the band. That does not mean that the current lineup sucks and I can't enjoy it.