Well, they have dropped the key again live it appears.

[Art Vandelay]

Andrew stated something to the affect downstairs that Perry's "physical condition" is prohibiting him from singing for extended periods of time. Something about him still feeling discomfort? I'm probably not quoting him exactly right, but I wished I knew more of this story. Maybe it would shed some light on why we haven't heard from him in awhile.

Um, yeah... maybe THE MAN himself could enlighten "The Faithful Ones".

You'd think, but NO.

You guys wouldn't believe him if he did.

He told us in BTM. He said he's toast.

He said that in 1986.

in 1986, he WAS toast....
Then he did solo stuff including a tour. So obviously he had enough voice left to sing at that point (though in lower keys live). And then the band got back together (TBF). And then he vanished citing a hip issue and pretty much stuck it to the rest of the band. The hip issue has been fixed. Recently it's been "yes, I've been thinking about it." And "I've recorded some tunes". And "I'd like to get back out there". But nothing. And no explanation from the man. He doesn't owe us an explanation, but it'd be nice to put the rumours to rest.

I always wondered if his problems had to do with over steroid use. A lot of steroid use can cause the throat issues he had (and help in a pinch if not overdone) but the stuff can also do weird stuff to your bones and joints- Can you say "Hip Replacement"? This is purely speculative on my part (as is so much of the stuff here). But look at the "Oh Sherrie" video and how much weight he put on. Now look at the earlier shows. The guy was skinny as a rail. For the Oh Sherrie video, he actually was looking pretty heavy (for him). Steroid use can also cause a lot of weight gain.
Hey, in the 80's, lottsa singers used them. But I don't think they realized what they were doing to themselves until it was too late which really sucks. Had Herbie and the band realized it, they could've saved that voice by spacing their shows out more and doing their best to keep him off of anything that'd be detrimental to his chords.

Just my theory. I could be wrong.

Voices are FRAGILE as hell for some people. It didn't seem so for Perry as it did for Augeri. Arnel also doesn't seem as fragile as Augeri. But climate, lack of sleep, air conditioners, not to mention STRESS can really mess with it. When it messes with the voice, you push. When you push, you do damage. If you have a day off to let the swelling in the chords go down, no harm done. If you have show after show after show after show with no break, you're going to have issues.

I'd attribute the '84 weight gain to just not being on the road and finally settling down a bit. It was the first time since '78 that there was no grinding tour schedule. Dude probably just enjoyed a bunch of well deserved downtime and meals

[brywool]

I'd attribute the '84 weight gain to just not being on the road and finally settling down a bit. It was the first time since '78 that there was no grinding tour schedule. Dude probably just enjoyed a bunch of well deserved downtime and meals

Could be, but he was still working a lot (recording, etc.). I dunno, everything kind of SEEMS to fit with the theory, but I could be way off. Either way, it blows that the guy can or will no longer sing. If he CAN'T sing, he could still write FOR Journey, but pride won't let him. I get that, but imagine if he was writing with Schon and Cain and having Arnel sing. There'd still be a lot of dough in it for him and he wouldn't have to deal with the road. After all, Journey really did give him a long time to get himself together. They waited for him. If he can't do it any longer, there's no shame in that. Granted, this is all if he can't sing. If he can sing, then he should be doing it for himself. You know it's gotta kill him if he can't.

[Deb]

I'd attribute the '84 weight gain to just not being on the road and finally settling down a bit. It was the first time since '78 that there was no grinding tour schedule. Dude probably just enjoyed a bunch of well deserved downtime and meals

Could be, but he was still working a lot (recording, etc.). I dunno, everything kind of SEEMS to fit with the theory, but I could be way off. Either way, it blows that the guy can or will no longer sing. If he CAN'T sing, he could still write FOR Journey, but pride won't let him. I get that, but imagine if he was writing with Schon and Cain and having Arnel sing. There'd still be a lot of dough in it for him and he wouldn't have to deal with the road. After all, Journey really did give him a long time to get himself together. They waited for him. If he can't do it any longer, there's no shame in that. Granted, this is all if he can't sing. If he can sing, then he should be doing it for himself. You know it's gotta kill him if he can't.

Sorry Bry, but that made me laugh out loud, literally. As if.

[brywool]

Sorry Bry, but that made me laugh out loud, literally. As if.

I dunno... if the guy REALLY was passionate about Journey and what he did with them, but isn't up to the job, you'd think he'd find a way to still be involved. He probably hates them (in fact, we know he does) but it's not like they just turned to him without warning and said "Yer out". They waited years for the guy. Cain's reached out to him (Sox game). Neal reached out to him (walk of fame). I dunno, ever written a tune with somebody that you work well with? Sometimes the result is worth the uncomfortable-ness.'

Hey, if Michigan Girl and I can get along for 5 minutes, anybody can!

(just messin' with ya MG)

[Michigan Girl]

Sorry Bry, but that made me laugh out loud, literally. As if.

I dunno... if the guy REALLY was passionate about Journey and what he did with them, but isn't up to the job, you'd think he'd find a way to still be involved. He probably hates them (in fact, we know he does) but it's not like they just turned to him without warning and said "Yer out". They waited years for the guy. Cain's reached out to him (Sox game). Neal reached out to him (walk of fame). I dunno, ever written a tune with somebody that you work well with? Sometimes the result is worth the uncomfortable-ness.'

Hey, if Michigan Girl and I can get along for 5 minutes, anybody can!

(just messin' with ya MG)

I think his passion for Journey consists of his
time w/the band and what they produced together, period.
Can you imagine, helping your ex~wife make
babies for the new infertile hubby!?! It would
be hard, emotionally, even if you did need the
bootie call/money!!
...there are other methods, in vitro?!?!

[Deb]

Sorry Bry, but that made me laugh out loud, literally. As if.

I dunno... if the guy REALLY was passionate about Journey and what he did with them, but isn't up to the job, you'd think he'd find a way to still be involved. He probably hates them (in fact, we know he does) but it's not like they just turned to him without warning and said "Yer out". They waited years for the guy. Cain's reached out to him (Sox game). Neal reached out to him (walk of fame). I dunno, ever written a tune with somebody that you work well with? Sometimes the result is worth the uncomfortable-ness.'

Hey, if Michigan Girl and I can get along for 5 minutes, anybody can!

(just messin' with ya MG)

I don't think he actually "hates" them, hurt maybe, he's got some great memories wrapped up in his time with them. But the fact still is, they replaced him, period. Sorry but writing new songs for somebody that replaced you? could you actually see that happening? Pride or not.

There is other bands that waited years for their singer (i.e., Bon Jovi). Look where they are today. And even if you want to say Perry can't sing anymore.........hell, neither can Jon Bon Jovi, but they still manage to sell out arenas? Just sayin.........

[brywool]

Sorry Bry, but that made me laugh out loud, literally. As if.

I dunno... if the guy REALLY was passionate about Journey and what he did with them, but isn't up to the job, you'd think he'd find a way to still be involved. He probably hates them (in fact, we know he does) but it's not like they just turned to him without warning and said "Yer out". They waited years for the guy. Cain's reached out to him (Sox game). Neal reached out to him (walk of fame). I dunno, ever written a tune with somebody that you work well with? Sometimes the result is worth the uncomfortable-ness.'

Hey, if Michigan Girl and I can get along for 5 minutes, anybody can!

(just messin' with ya MG)

I think his passion for Journey consists of his
time w/the band and what they produced together, period.
Can you imagine, helping your ex~wife make
babies for the new infertile hubby!?! It would
be hard, emotionally, even if you did need the
bootie call/money!!
...there are other methods, in vitro?!?!

But the point is, he'd get the dough and he'd still be able to create art.
Yeah, I know it's a long shot, but hey...

[Deb]

Sorry Bry, but that made me laugh out loud, literally. As if.

I dunno... if the guy REALLY was passionate about Journey and what he did with them, but isn't up to the job, you'd think he'd find a way to still be involved. He probably hates them (in fact, we know he does) but it's not like they just turned to him without warning and said "Yer out". They waited years for the guy. Cain's reached out to him (Sox game). Neal reached out to him (walk of fame). I dunno, ever written a tune with somebody that you work well with? Sometimes the result is worth the uncomfortable-ness.'

Hey, if Michigan Girl and I can get along for 5 minutes, anybody can!

(just messin' with ya MG)

I think his passion for Journey consists of his
time w/the band and what they produced together, period.
Can you imagine, helping your ex~wife make
babies for the new infertile hubby!?! It would
be hard, emotionally, even if you did need the
bootie call/money!!
...there are other methods, in vitro?!?!

Good analogy. Was trying to think of an analogy for my post too that didn't have to do with sex, but couldn't come up with one off the top of my head, lmao obviously neither could you.

[yandtguy]

I'd attribute the '84 weight gain to just not being on the road and finally settling down a bit. It was the first time since '78 that there was no grinding tour schedule. Dude probably just enjoyed a bunch of well deserved downtime and meals

Could be, but he was still working a lot (recording, etc.). I dunno, everything kind of SEEMS to fit with the theory, but I could be way off. Either way, it blows that the guy can or will no longer sing. If he CAN'T sing, he could still write FOR Journey, but pride won't let him. I get that, but imagine if he was writing with Schon and Cain and having Arnel sing. There'd still be a lot of dough in it for him and he wouldn't have to deal with the road. After all, Journey really did give him a long time to get himself together. They waited for him. If he can't do it any longer, there's no shame in that. Granted, this is all if he can't sing. If he can sing, then he should be doing it for himself. You know it's gotta kill him if he can't.

Now, that would be amazing. Perry using Arnel as his voice. I would love to hear that. Jon Oliva stepped aside and still wrote for Savatage. It resulted in one of my favorite albums, Edge of Thorns.

Greg

[Saint John]

the fact still is, they replaced him, period.

That's no "fact" at all. Do me a favor, Deb. Go into your boss's office and tell him you need surgery, you don't know when you're going to have it ... if at all, wait 2 years and come back and see if you're still employed. The guy quit, and his output since 1996 is pretty much proof of that.

I think the problem is that he *thought* he could eventually fix his voice and/or mental issues, come back at some point in time and paint the remaining members as being at fault in 1998, but his voice and/or confidence never came back. And now he's stuck with perpetuating the bullshit notion that his voice "sounds as good as it did in the mid 80's" and battling the constant reunion rumors, or perform at a much lower level and expose himself to having been far less than truthful all these years. And I bet he battles that decision every fucking day.

[brywool]

the fact still is, they replaced him, period.

That's no "fact" at all. Do me a favor, Deb. Go into your boss's office and tell him you need surgery, you don't know when you're going to have it ... if at all, wait 2 years and come back and see if you're still employed. The guy quit, and his output since 1996 is pretty much proof of that.

I think the problem is that he *thought* he could eventually fix his voice and/or mental issues, come back at some point in time and paint the remaining members as being at fault in 1998, but his voice and/or confidence never came back. And now he's stuck with perpetuating the bullshit notion that his voice "sounds as good as it did in the mid 80's" and battling the constant reunion rumors, or perform at a much lower level and expose himself to having been far less than truthful all these years. And I bet he battles that decision every fucking day.

DAN,
For the last time

IT WAS HIS HIP!!!

[swataz]

Sorry Bry, but that made me laugh out loud, literally. As if.

I dunno... if the guy REALLY was passionate about Journey and what he did with them, but isn't up to the job, you'd think he'd find a way to still be involved. He probably hates them (in fact, we know he does) but it's not like they just turned to him without warning and said "Yer out". They waited years for the guy. Cain's reached out to him (Sox game). Neal reached out to him (walk of fame). I dunno, ever written a tune with somebody that you work well with? Sometimes the result is worth the uncomfortable-ness.'

Hey, if Michigan Girl and I can get along for 5 minutes, anybody can!

(just messin' with ya MG)

I don't think he actually "hates" them, hurt maybe, he's got some great memories wrapped up in his time with them. But the fact still is, they replaced him, period. Sorry but writing new songs for somebody that replaced you? could you actually see that happening? Pride or not.

There is other bands that waited years for their singer (i.e., Bon Jovi). Look where they are today. And even if you want to say Perry can't sing anymore.........hell, neither can Jon Bon Jovi, but they still manage to sell out arenas? Just sayin.........

Big difference. Bon Jovi NEVER had a great voice, nor was his a huge reason for his band's success and one of the most prominent of his era.

[SYNCH]

Hmmmnnn... sounds great http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOvRpQ2h1qU

WOW! Hey, thanks for posting this! I hope you don't mind me reposting it because this deserves a thread of its own!

Sure, I don't own it, I just found it on youtube

[steveo777]

Is this one a full or half step?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3tgbWfVHd4

I thought they just had time off. This is a bit concerning.

[Don]

Is this one a full or half step?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3tgbWfVHd4

I thought they just had time off. This is a bit concerning.

That is one song that has just been killed by detuning. I'd rather that Deen sing it.

[steveo777]

Is this one a full or half step?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3tgbWfVHd4

I thought they just had time off. This is a bit concerning.

That is one song that has just been killed by detuning. Deen would be better off handling it.

Well, it really plods along. I couldn't listen to the whole thing. Appears to be an intimate venue, perhaps the charity gig?

[Blueskies]

Is this one a full or half step?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3tgbWfVHd4

I thought they just had time off. This is a bit concerning.

Arnel looks exhausted and he starts out behind the music a bit and slowly catches back up through the song. It looks like Ross was coming around having a look to see if he was all right and then he and Neal exchange glances. He probably just finished a taxing song before going into this one. To me he looked like he recovered by the end and just needed a bit of a breather. He could have a bug or something too, who knows. He is human, not a machine and he's got a tough gig.

[steveo777]

Is this one a full or half step?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3tgbWfVHd4

I thought they just had time off. This is a bit concerning.

Arnel looks exhausted and he starts out behind the music a bit and slowly catches back up through the song. It looks like Ross was coming around having a look to see if he was all right and then he and Neal exchange glances. He probably just finished a taxing song before going into this one. To me he looked like he recovered by the end and just needed a bit of a breather. He could have a bug or something too, who knows. He is human, not a machine and he's got a tough gig.

Yeah, might have been sick. That was one of my first thoughts. Also this was a pretty small gig, so it will be pretty forgiving. Plus I'm sure these guys get pretty
jet lagged out on these tours.

[slucero]

Is this one a full or half step?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3tgbWfVHd4

I thought they just had time off. This is a bit concerning.

Whole step... from D to C

[Blueskies]

Is this one a full or half step?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3tgbWfVHd4

I thought they just had time off. This is a bit concerning.

Arnel looks exhausted and he starts out behind the music a bit and slowly catches back up through the song. It looks like Ross was coming around having a look to see if he was all right and then he and Neal exchange glances. He probably just finished a taxing song before going into this one. To me he looked like he recovered by the end and just needed a bit of a breather. He could have a bug or something too, who knows. He is human, not a machine and he's got a tough gig.

Yeah, might have been sick. That was one of my first thoughts. Also this was a pretty small gig, so it will be pretty forgiving. Plus I'm sure these guys get pretty
jet lagged out on these tours.

Thats true. Hopping from one country to the next in itself is tiring. One has to have a lot of stamina to travel and play an instrument let alone sing night after night with only travel time between. Travel time is not good quality full resting time.

[Don]

The setlist of the last half dozen shows has been shorter than normal. For Arnel, having two other groups eating time when the band hits the States will be a blessing in the long run.
When they put Tantra back in the setlist, It will be like Perry singing Mother, Father every night in addition to 15 other songs.
Feel the Burn.
Like Neal said, Journey breaks singers, and Father Time catches us all (unless your name's Dennis).

I noticed that Deen doesn't seem to be singing at all as of late. Now, if his voice goes and he can't spell Pineda once in awhile, then there could be an issue.

[SYNCH]

Is this one a full or half step?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3tgbWfVHd4

I thought they just had time off. This is a bit concerning.

Whole step... from D to C

Damn, that surely sounds bad. I hope Arnel and for that matter Deen were OK. They should've made this an acoustic instead (like what happened with Send Her My Love one time), I think that would've work.

[slucero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMcHKa-L ... ideo_title

This is a great vid to hear Perry's vocal range... at 5:07 Perry starts a portamento (continuous slide), in chest voice... continuing all the way to 5:!3.... I "think" I hear him switch to falsetto at 5:11.. but he's so damn good at the transition (from head to falsetto) that it's really hard to hear... the next passage @ 5:18 we hear him start in falsetto...

[conversationpc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMcHKa-LLME&feature=channel_video_title

This is a great vid to hear Perry's vocal range... at 5:07 Perry starts a portamento (continuous slide), in chest voice... continuing all the way to 5:!3.... I "think" I hear him switch to head voice (falsetto) at 5:11.. but he's so damn good at the transition (from chest to head voice) that it's really hard to hear... the next passage @ 5:18 we hear him start in head voice (falsetto)...

Head voice isn't the same as falsetto, though, correct? You've got chest, head, and falsetto.

BTW...I've had this version of "Patiently" for a while...My favorite ever Perry vocal.

[slucero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMcHKa-LLME&feature=channel_video_title

This is a great vid to hear Perry's vocal range... at 5:07 Perry starts a portamento (continuous slide), in chest voice... continuing all the way to 5:!3.... I "think" I hear him switch to head voice (falsetto) at 5:11.. but he's so damn good at the transition (from chest to head voice) that it's really hard to hear... the next passage @ 5:18 we hear him start in head voice (falsetto)...

Head voice isn't the same as falsetto, though, correct? You've got chest, head, and falsetto.

BTW...I've had this version of "Patiently" for a while...My favorite ever Perry vocal.

Oops you are correct... I should have said "falsetto"... thanks for the correction.

Perry was one of the few singers who it is said could stay in head voice throughout his range.

[Archetype]

Is this one a full or half step?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3tgbWfVHd4

I thought they just had time off. This is a bit concerning.

Whole step... from D to C

Damn, that surely sounds bad. I hope Arnel and for that matter Deen were OK. They should've made this an acoustic instead (like what happened with Send Her My Love one time), I think that would've work.

This video is no longer available. What song is it?

[steveo777]

Is this one a full or half step?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3tgbWfVHd4

I thought they just had time off. This is a bit concerning.

Whole step... from D to C

Damn, that surely sounds bad. I hope Arnel and for that matter Deen were OK. They should've made this an acoustic instead (like what happened with Send Her My Love one time), I think that would've work.

This video is no longer available. What song is it?

Faithfully. People were even critiquing it on AP's site, so you know it caught attention.

[Rick]

Is this one a full or half step?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3tgbWfVHd4

I thought they just had time off. This is a bit concerning.

Whole step... from D to C

Damn, that surely sounds bad. I hope Arnel and for that matter Deen were OK. They should've made this an acoustic instead (like what happened with Send Her My Love one time), I think that would've work.

This video is no longer available. What song is it?

Faithfully. People were even critiquing it on AP's site, so you know it caught attention.

Rest the golden goose.

[Archetype]

I think that Schon/Cain are going to have to admit that Journey is a 30-40 date a year band at most. They would still do quite well.

[slucero]

Is this one a full or half step?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3tgbWfVHd4

I thought they just had time off. This is a bit concerning.

Whole step... from D to C

Damn, that surely sounds bad. I hope Arnel and for that matter Deen were OK. They should've made this an acoustic instead (like what happened with Send Her My Love one time), I think that would've work.

This video is no longer available. What song is it?

Faithfully. People were even critiquing it on AP's site, so you know it caught attention.

Everybody wave to Neal!