Idea for Escape 30th Celebration

[Argus]

Here's an idea.

WRITE A FUCKING SONG WITH A HOOK AND A CATCHY CHORUS!

Eclipse sucks donkey balls.

"Someone", "Ritual", "Chain of Love" and "Anything is Possible" are all plenty catchy. Clean out your ears.

Someone is most classic and Ritual is good but sounds like it was written for a JSS song. Those two are very radio friendly.

[Seven Wishes2]

COL, AIP, and FWIMC are all fantastic. The rest...meh.

[Gideon]

COL, AIP, and FWIMC are all fantastic. The rest...meh.

No love for Resonate?

[yandtguy]

Again, I have to say...while some may be stuck on numbers and base that as their opinion that this album is a flop...I don't see it as a flop at all. Its an artistic achievement in my ears. and many others who have heard it. I can paint something that is only seen by few and feel I achieved what I tried to convey if only a few like it. Some of y'all are only looking at a big scale measurement of what is successful in your eyes only. This genre of music isn't the most popular in the mainstream and hasn't been for a long time....but that doesn't mean artists of this genre aren't having success's, they are,...just at a different scale then the genre had in the past and many still having some success during trying times... so measurements of "success" should be adjusted accordingly.

I thought Extreme's "III Sides to Every Story" was also an incredible artistic achievement and also had some great song...but, since sales sucked, and who knows what else, it was their last album.

Eclipse is a good album an d has some very good songs. The issue is when Journey wants to release another new album and they go looking for a label, the label doesn't care how good it is...they want to know how well it sold how much money it made. In fact, if Eclipse is the best Journey album ever made, all that means is that nobody wants to buy Journey albums even when they are at their best. No label is going to sign a band who can't make them money. that's just how it goes.

Andrew already called BS on this post, but I wanted to add this. Extreme went on to record one more album for A&M, Waiting For The Punchline. Both III Sides and Punchline were disappointing sales wise compared to Pornograffiti, but III sides was a top 10 album which spent 26 weeks on the top 200 according to Billboard, and that was in 1992. It eventually went gold. That allowed them to record Waiting for The Punchline which peaked at 40 on the top 200. That was in 1995 when grunge was in full swing. I seem to recall Perry having a hard time selling an album one year earlier, despite a top 40 single in "You Better Wait" and an AC hit with "Missing You." All of their albums have appeared in the top 100, even their latest indie release, Saudades de Rock. It was a fluke that Extreme had the success they did with Pornograffitti anyway. They rode the unplugged wave to success with "More Than Words." Their first two singles flopped. I've always seen Extreme is more of a true AOR (album oriented rock) band anyway. The timing of their trajectory was just unfortunate. EVERY melodic rock band lost momentum in the mid-90's, even the bands that came on strong at the end of the 80's/early 90's like Firehouse burned out by the end of 1995.

Greg

[Monker]

And, 15yrs ago Perry was snubbing Journey and not touring for TBF, and recording "I Stand Along", releasing GH+5, etc...and hardly anybody on thiese forum was saying he was 'retired', well, except for me., after I heard "I Stand Alone" and I started believing he would never record a new studio album either.

I haven't heard that one...Was that a b-side?

You mean besides being a lame song?

You see what I did there?

I don't think it is lame at all...In fact, it probably would have been a huge hit back in 1983.

My issue is hearing it in a theater with awesome sound, where I could hear every strained and cracked vocal. If he could not cover his vocal problems in the studio, I knew there was NO WAY he would be able to hold out for an entire tour. I knew he would never tour again.

[Monker]

Here's an idea.

WRITE A FUCKING SONG WITH A HOOK AND A CATCHY CHORUS!

Eclipse sucks donkey balls.

No it doesn't. Revelation does. Eclipse is a good effort that was released at least 10yrs too late.

[Rick]

Here's an idea.

WRITE A FUCKING SONG WITH A HOOK AND A CATCHY CHORUS!

Eclipse sucks donkey balls.

No it doesn't. Revelation does. Eclipse is a good effort that was released at least 10yrs too late.

Excellent effort that was released when Schon finally took a stand. Good on him. Too late? Yes, absolutely. This record should have been done 20 years ago, the problem was that they didn't have a singer to pull it off.

[Monker]

Absolutely true. This is Journey's last studio album.

Utter rubbish.

That's what I was constantly told 15yrs ago about Steve Perry never touring again.

Blind Freddy could have told you that. Those two things have NOTHING to do with each other. What a pointless post.

And, anybody who believes that any meaningful label will release a new Journey album is also wearing blinders. What are they going to do, release it on Fronteirs and have it available only as an import in the US? How lame.

The only way they could release an album now is if they did it themselves...and I absolutely do not believe they want to put forth the effort to do that.

[Monker]

That's what I was constantly told 15yrs ago about Steve Perry never touring again.

Dude, in all your time posting here, you've yet to make one accurate prediction. Of all the MR doomsayers, it was Deano, not you, that saw the writing on the wall, did some investigate spade work, and called this band out. Where were your powers of clairvoyance then? You're full of shit.

15yrs ago this forum didn't exist...I took that argument to SKy/Frank's forum, and the mailing list...and later to the newsgroup.

Deano didn't call the "band" out, he put all on Augeri, which I consistently said was wrong. Neal used Dean's aggressive behavior to his own advantage...I would think even Dean would admit that now.

Then when they hired JSS, I said someone else would be leaving the band in the next couple years...and JSS was out even sooner then I thought. JSS seemed like all Neal's idea...but there are others in this band and I doubt they were ever happy with this decision...I knew something had to give.

When they hired Arnel with all of the excitement of finding somebody who sounds just like Perry from 1983, I said it was a mistake...and I still believe it is. They spent all of the Augeri saying they wanted to move on from Perry...then they embrace it, now they want to move on again (which Neal has ALWAYS WANTED) but their lead singer IS a Perry clone and they spent a couple years ensuring the public believed that. They CAN'T move on now...they destroyed that idea when they hired Arnel and released Revelation.

The problem with Jouney is they are pulled in two different directions. The fans on forums like this want Journey to move on from the 80's. The masses who buy the CD's want DSB and the like. JSS and Eclipse represent what the fans on these forums want, and what Neal wants. The hiring of Arnel and Revelation represent what the masses want. Journey's falling in the gutter is because they have warbled like some drunk between these two sides and can't find a straight line and walk it. This has been happening ever since Augeri was axed.

Start paying attention to the big picture...instead of the latest BS lines that Neal and the band are pimping. They lie, cheat, and steal to make a buck. I bet Dean admits that. Maybe even SJ will. Frank/Strangegray probably knows it too. Gee, I wonder what Herbie thinks...I'm sure he taught them well, "tell the public what they want to hear...not the truth." Just a made up quote, but it seems to be what this band thrives on.

[Monker]

COL, AIP, and FWIMC are all fantastic. The rest...meh.

I agree with that...Except, I would say COH and Tantra are a step above the rest of the songs. And, the 'meh' on Eclipse is better the the 'bleh' on Revelation.

[Monker]

Again, I have to say...while some may be stuck on numbers and base that as their opinion that this album is a flop...I don't see it as a flop at all. Its an artistic achievement in my ears. and many others who have heard it. I can paint something that is only seen by few and feel I achieved what I tried to convey if only a few like it. Some of y'all are only looking at a big scale measurement of what is successful in your eyes only. This genre of music isn't the most popular in the mainstream and hasn't been for a long time....but that doesn't mean artists of this genre aren't having success's, they are,...just at a different scale then the genre had in the past and many still having some success during trying times... so measurements of "success" should be adjusted accordingly.

I thought Extreme's "III Sides to Every Story" was also an incredible artistic achievement and also had some great song...but, since sales sucked, and who knows what else, it was their last album.

Eclipse is a good album an d has some very good songs. The issue is when Journey wants to release another new album and they go looking for a label, the label doesn't care how good it is...they want to know how well it sold how much money it made. In fact, if Eclipse is the best Journey album ever made, all that means is that nobody wants to buy Journey albums even when they are at their best. No label is going to sign a band who can't make them money. that's just how it goes.

Andrew already called BS on this post, but I wanted to add this. Extreme went on to record one more album for A&M, Waiting For The Punchline. Both III Sides and Punchline were disappointing sales wise compared to Pornograffiti, but III sides was a top 10 album which spent 26 weeks on the top 200 according to Billboard, and that was in 1992. It eventually went gold. That allowed them to record Waiting for The Punchline which peaked at 40 on the top 200. That was in 1995 when grunge was in full swing. I seem to recall Perry having a hard time selling an album one year earlier, despite a top 40 single in "You Better Wait" and an AC hit with "Missing You." All of their albums have appeared in the top 100, even their latest indie release, Saudades de Rock. It was a fluke that Extreme had the success they did with Pornograffitti anyway. They rode the unplugged wave to success with "More Than Words." Their first two singles flopped. I've always seen Extreme is more of a true AOR (album oriented rock) band anyway. The timing of their trajectory was just unfortunate. EVERY melodic rock band lost momentum in the mid-90's, even the bands that came on strong at the end of the 80's/early 90's like Firehouse burned out by the end of 1995.

Greg

I never heard of "Waiting for the Punchline". So, that's interesting...I'll have to look it up.

I don't know if it charted, but "Whole Hearted" was on the radio quite a bit back then, too. I agree about "More then Words"...basicaly the same story with Mr. Big's "To Be With You".

But, my whole point in that was that sometimes entertainment does not sell just because it is artistically good...and this is a business so if it doesn't sell and make people money, you don't get another chance no matter how artful it is. I still feel that is true, even if my example had some bad 'facts' in it.

[conversationpc]

I never heard of "Waiting for the Punchline". So, that's interesting...I'll have to look it up.

I used to have the CD for it. It was a crap album.

I don't know if it charted, but "Whole Hearted" was on the radio quite a bit back then, too.

The proper title is "HOLE Hearted".

[Rick]

That's what I was constantly told 15yrs ago about Steve Perry never touring again.

Dude, in all your time posting here, you've yet to make one accurate prediction. Of all the MR doomsayers, it was Deano, not you, that saw the writing on the wall, did some investigate spade work, and called this band out. Where were your powers of clairvoyance then? You're full of shit.

15yrs ago this forum didn't exist...I took that argument to SKy/Frank's forum, and the mailing list...and later to the newsgroup.

Deano didn't call the "band" out, he put all on Augeri, which I consistently said was wrong. Neal used Dean's aggressive behavior to his own advantage...I would think even Dean would admit that now.

Then when they hired JSS, I said someone else would be leaving the band in the next couple years...and JSS was out even sooner then I thought. JSS seemed like all Neal's idea...but there are others in this band and I doubt they were ever happy with this decision...I knew something had to give.

When they hired Arnel with all of the excitement of finding somebody who sounds just like Perry from 1983, I said it was a mistake...and I still believe it is. They spent all of the Augeri saying they wanted to move on from Perry...then they embrace it, now they want to move on again (which Neal has ALWAYS WANTED) but their lead singer IS a Perry clone and they spent a couple years ensuring the public believed that. They CAN'T move on now...they destroyed that idea when they hired Arnel and released Revelation.

The problem with Jouney is they are pulled in two different directions. The fans on forums like this want Journey to move on from the 80's. The masses who buy the CD's want DSB and the like. JSS and Eclipse represent what the fans on these forums want, and what Neal wants. The hiring of Arnel and Revelation represent what the masses want. Journey's falling in the gutter is because they have warbled like some drunk between these two sides and can't find a straight line and walk it. This has been happening ever since Augeri was axed.

Start paying attention to the big picture...instead of the latest BS lines that Neal and the band are pimping. They lie, cheat, and steal to make a buck. I bet Dean admits that. Maybe even SJ will. Frank/Strangegray probably knows it too. Gee, I wonder what Herbie thinks...I'm sure he taught them well, "tell the public what they want to hear...not the truth." Just a made up quote, but it seems to be what this band thrives on.

Your diatribe in one sentence. "They're going to do what the fans and management tells them."

[The_Noble_Cause]

Journey's falling in the gutter is because they have warbled like some drunk between these two sides and can't find a straight line and walk it. This has been happening ever since Augeri was axed.

I like this. This is funny. Truthfully Monker, the band's only slim window of opportunity to move in a new direction was waaay before Augeri. By the time of Arrival, their identity was already forged in the public consciousness. Gotta give Neal credit for at least trying to move forward, only to be rebuked by low sales and interest (Red 13, Eclipse).

[Christopher]

I know I will get killed for this (if anybody even bothers to read the thread), but after reading on another thread about somebody saying that Journey wouldn't get any traction with young people today unless they re-recorded "Don't Stop Believing" with a rapper, I had an idea. I know it won't happen, but what if the band re-recorded "Don't Stop Believing" as a duet with a country singer like Jennifer Nettles or Taylor Swift. Current country is more like melodic rock than anything these days, and I think you get a lot of fans who like classic rock and country. Kid Rock has made a career of mixing country, classic rock, and rap. He gets played on top 40, country, and active rock stations.

Here would be my plan. You take the backing track of DSB they recorded for the Revelation disc. You get Nettles or Swift or another female country or R&B singer. Have them trade off vocals with Arnel. For promotion, you shoot a live video performance of the guest with the band and use the studio track for the audio. See if Azoff can earn his money by getting the band on an awards show to perform it with the guest. Sell it as a download, CD single, and/or give it away with purchase of Eclipse at Walmart.

Greg

Actually, I think this idea has a lot of merit. The popularity of this song, sadly, out-does people's awareness of who actually DID the song originally. Plus, the song DOES lend itself very well to this idea. You take maybne Taylor Swift, Reba, Martina McBride...any of those would be great...and you give them the "Just a smalltown girl" and arnel can trade off vocals with the "Just a city boy" part.

The key to the success of your idea, is to definitely have the entire band up on stage with this country singer...promote it properly and drop the name Journey all over the place...and have them perform the song on all the country music awards shows...CMTV and such...and you definitely would get surge of attention, I believe not unlike we saw when the story of how Arnel was found (and his history), came out.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I know I will get killed for this (if anybody even bothers to read the thread), but after reading on another thread about somebody saying that Journey wouldn't get any traction with young people today unless they re-recorded "Don't Stop Believing" with a rapper, I had an idea. I know it won't happen, but what if the band re-recorded "Don't Stop Believing" as a duet with a country singer like Jennifer Nettles or Taylor Swift. Current country is more like melodic rock than anything these days, and I think you get a lot of fans who like classic rock and country. Kid Rock has made a career of mixing country, classic rock, and rap. He gets played on top 40, country, and active rock stations.

Here would be my plan. You take the backing track of DSB they recorded for the Revelation disc. You get Nettles or Swift or another female country or R&B singer. Have them trade off vocals with Arnel. For promotion, you shoot a live video performance of the guest with the band and use the studio track for the audio. See if Azoff can earn his money by getting the band on an awards show to perform it with the guest. Sell it as a download, CD single, and/or give it away with purchase of Eclipse at Walmart.

Greg

Actually, I think this idea has a lot of merit. The popularity of this song, sadly, out-does people's awareness of who actually DID the song originally. Plus, the song DOES lend itself very well to this idea. You take maybne Taylor Swift, Reba, Martina McBride...any of those would be great...and you give them the "Just a smalltown girl" and arnel can trade off vocals with the "Just a city boy" part.

The key to the success of your idea, is to definitely have the entire band up on stage with this country singer...promote it properly and drop the name Journey all over the place...and have them perform the song on all the country music awards shows...CMTV and such...and you definitely would get surge of attention, I believe not unlike we saw when the story of how Arnel was found (and his history), came out.

Awful idea. What's next? An album full of covers, like the creatively-bankrupt Styx or Poison? Journey is better than this. Neal was againt the Wmart re-records, but did it just so he could get new stuff out there. Hopefully they never slum like that again.

[Christopher]

Journey's falling in the gutter is because they have warbled like some drunk between these two sides and can't find a straight line and walk it. This has been happening ever since Augeri was axed.

I like this. This is funny. Truthfully Monker, the band's only slim window of opportunity to move in a new direction was waaay before Augeri. By the time of Arrival, their identity was already forged in the public consciousness. Gotta give Neal credit for at least trying to move forward, only to be rebuked by low sales and interest (Red 13, Eclipse).

I totally agree. They're trying to switch tracks long after the train reached a speed in which it was safe to do so. I was very worried when I heard that the same things coming from Neal about what he was doing on Eclipse, were very similar to the things he was saying when they were putting Red 13 together. Neal has never made it a secret that Journey was very confining to him, and he wanted to be able to change the direction. The problem, though....is with the incredible, dare I say unequaled, success that Journey achieved through the formula they discovered....I don't believe he is ever going to be successful in that. He'd do best in getting his creative bug needs achieved in solo or other ventures...and just let Journey be....Journey.

Now Eclipse is a fine record....just as Red 13 had some good stuff on it....but they both have the name Journey on them, and the vast majority of fans expect certain things from a CD that has the Journey name on it...and they will let you know without doubt, if it doesn't have that. Look at Revelation....I doubt many would argue that Revelation had...well...whatever that indescribable, almost indefinable....HOOK that you get form Journey....that sets them apart from any other band that tries to write melodic rock. This is why they were always so up front and set apart...from them ALL. The songs on albums like Red 13 and Eclipse have damn fine heavier melodic rock songs....but they sort of blend in with lots of the other melodic rock out there. Eclipse comes a LOT closer to capturing that hook...whatever it is...and DOES have some of it....but it's just missing a little, and I believe that if they had balanced Jonathan's musical ideas a little more with Neal's....this record would have nailed that Journey hook.

Remember back to Arrival (which failed for reasons other than the songs on it, sadly)...think of the song "To Be Alive Again".....seriously...anyone who says they don't get that same goose bump spark from that song as in Journey's heyday, is either lying, in denial, or just plain crazy . My point is that, though it's hard to put into words....songs like that one, Higher Place, All The Way, Never Walk Away, After All These Years.....they have that Journey sound....they CLICK...and Red 13 and Eclipse don't have as much of that, sadly....and before anyone rips me apart....I DO like Eclipse...but I like it more as any other band's album, than a Journey album. It's like they put Red 13 and Revelation into a mixer, with Red13 a little heavier in the mix than Revelation.

[Christopher]

I know I will get killed for this (if anybody even bothers to read the thread), but after reading on another thread about somebody saying that Journey wouldn't get any traction with young people today unless they re-recorded "Don't Stop Believing" with a rapper, I had an idea. I know it won't happen, but what if the band re-recorded "Don't Stop Believing" as a duet with a country singer like Jennifer Nettles or Taylor Swift. Current country is more like melodic rock than anything these days, and I think you get a lot of fans who like classic rock and country. Kid Rock has made a career of mixing country, classic rock, and rap. He gets played on top 40, country, and active rock stations.

Here would be my plan. You take the backing track of DSB they recorded for the Revelation disc. You get Nettles or Swift or another female country or R&B singer. Have them trade off vocals with Arnel. For promotion, you shoot a live video performance of the guest with the band and use the studio track for the audio. See if Azoff can earn his money by getting the band on an awards show to perform it with the guest. Sell it as a download, CD single, and/or give it away with purchase of Eclipse at Walmart.

Greg

Actually, I think this idea has a lot of merit. The popularity of this song, sadly, out-does people's awareness of who actually DID the song originally. Plus, the song DOES lend itself very well to this idea. You take maybne Taylor Swift, Reba, Martina McBride...any of those would be great...and you give them the "Just a smalltown girl" and arnel can trade off vocals with the "Just a city boy" part.

The key to the success of your idea, is to definitely have the entire band up on stage with this country singer...promote it properly and drop the name Journey all over the place...and have them perform the song on all the country music awards shows...CMTV and such...and you definitely would get surge of attention, I believe not unlike we saw when the story of how Arnel was found (and his history), came out.

Awful idea. What's next? An album full of covers, like the creatively-bankrupt Styx or Poison? Journey is better than this. Neal was againt the Wmart re-records, but did it just so he could get new stuff out there. Hopefully they never slum like that again.

Hey....if something like that can peak the public interest enough to generate album sales and such....and it keeps the band moving, then so be it...and I think it would actually sound good with this song. I'd rather them whore themselves out while making a good sounding crossover song like this...and still have them around....than have them fade into history...which IS what I believe is the big elephant in the room they're fighting against, even though no one wants to talk about or even admit they see the elephant.

[Don]

I know I will get killed for this (if anybody even bothers to read the thread), but after reading on another thread about somebody saying that Journey wouldn't get any traction with young people today unless they re-recorded "Don't Stop Believing" with a rapper, I had an idea. I know it won't happen, but what if the band re-recorded "Don't Stop Believing" as a duet with a country singer like Jennifer Nettles or Taylor Swift. Current country is more like melodic rock than anything these days, and I think you get a lot of fans who like classic rock and country. Kid Rock has made a career of mixing country, classic rock, and rap. He gets played on top 40, country, and active rock stations.

Here would be my plan. You take the backing track of DSB they recorded for the Revelation disc. You get Nettles or Swift or another female country or R&B singer. Have them trade off vocals with Arnel. For promotion, you shoot a live video performance of the guest with the band and use the studio track for the audio. See if Azoff can earn his money by getting the band on an awards show to perform it with the guest. Sell it as a download, CD single, and/or give it away with purchase of Eclipse at Walmart.

Greg

Actually, I think this idea has a lot of merit. The popularity of this song, sadly, out-does people's awareness of who actually DID the song originally. Plus, the song DOES lend itself very well to this idea. You take maybne Taylor Swift, Reba, Martina McBride...any of those would be great...and you give them the "Just a smalltown girl" and arnel can trade off vocals with the "Just a city boy" part.

The key to the success of your idea, is to definitely have the entire band up on stage with this country singer...promote it properly and drop the name Journey all over the place...and have them perform the song on all the country music awards shows...CMTV and such...and you definitely would get surge of attention, I believe not unlike we saw when the story of how Arnel was found (and his history), came out.

Awful idea. What's next? An album full of covers, like the creatively-bankrupt Styx or Poison? Journey is better than this. Neal was againt the Wmart re-records, but did it just so he could get new stuff out there. Hopefully they never slum like that again.

Cain was floating the idea of re-recording Arrival during a recent interview so you never know. It would probably have to be a self financed album and purely for artistic purposes as actually making money off of it would most likely be out of the question.

[Christopher]

Here's an idea.

WRITE A FUCKING SONG WITH A HOOK AND A CATCHY CHORUS!

Eclipse sucks donkey balls.

Here's another idea...play every other Journey album back to back and get your fix. Then play Eclipse for something a little different.

That's great for hard core fans like us...but sadly, Journey makes the most out of the "Oh look, there's another Journey album on the shelf...let's go download it and see if it's good before we buy it" people...and those people....want the hooks and catchy chorus. I like Eclipse...and even I wish it was just a LITTLE bit more leaning towards being hookier and catchier. I'm not afraid of a hard rock or metal record...my favorite band is Iron Maiden...but I prefer Journey to be more of "To Be Alive Again" and the like, than the more "mature" slightly heavier stuff they seem to want to put out.

[Christopher]

I know I will get killed for this (if anybody even bothers to read the thread), but after reading on another thread about somebody saying that Journey wouldn't get any traction with young people today unless they re-recorded "Don't Stop Believing" with a rapper, I had an idea. I know it won't happen, but what if the band re-recorded "Don't Stop Believing" as a duet with a country singer like Jennifer Nettles or Taylor Swift. Current country is more like melodic rock than anything these days, and I think you get a lot of fans who like classic rock and country. Kid Rock has made a career of mixing country, classic rock, and rap. He gets played on top 40, country, and active rock stations.

Here would be my plan. You take the backing track of DSB they recorded for the Revelation disc. You get Nettles or Swift or another female country or R&B singer. Have them trade off vocals with Arnel. For promotion, you shoot a live video performance of the guest with the band and use the studio track for the audio. See if Azoff can earn his money by getting the band on an awards show to perform it with the guest. Sell it as a download, CD single, and/or give it away with purchase of Eclipse at Walmart.

Greg

Actually, I think this idea has a lot of merit. The popularity of this song, sadly, out-does people's awareness of who actually DID the song originally. Plus, the song DOES lend itself very well to this idea. You take maybne Taylor Swift, Reba, Martina McBride...any of those would be great...and you give them the "Just a smalltown girl" and arnel can trade off vocals with the "Just a city boy" part.

The key to the success of your idea, is to definitely have the entire band up on stage with this country singer...promote it properly and drop the name Journey all over the place...and have them perform the song on all the country music awards shows...CMTV and such...and you definitely would get surge of attention, I believe not unlike we saw when the story of how Arnel was found (and his history), came out.

Awful idea. What's next? An album full of covers, like the creatively-bankrupt Styx or Poison? Journey is better than this. Neal was againt the Wmart re-records, but did it just so he could get new stuff out there. Hopefully they never slum like that again.

Cain was floating the idea of re-recording Arrival during a recent interview so you never know. It would probably have to be a self financed album and purely for artistic purposes as actually making money off of it would most likely be out of the question.

I have some mixed feelings about that. Augeri was such a wonderful guy. If you spent any time speaking with him, and I was blessed to have plenty, you found out veryu quickly how down to earth he was, and more interested in learning about you and just chit-chatting, than talking about himself or the band. So re-recording Arrival kinda hurts a little, due to my fondness for Mtr Augeri....a classy man if there ever was one. However, Arrival was such a fantastic CD (in my opinion) and I would honestly lvoe to hear how Arnel would sound on it, and see if it maybe gets another chance at life.

[Don]

I know I will get killed for this (if anybody even bothers to read the thread), but after reading on another thread about somebody saying that Journey wouldn't get any traction with young people today unless they re-recorded "Don't Stop Believing" with a rapper, I had an idea. I know it won't happen, but what if the band re-recorded "Don't Stop Believing" as a duet with a country singer like Jennifer Nettles or Taylor Swift. Current country is more like melodic rock than anything these days, and I think you get a lot of fans who like classic rock and country. Kid Rock has made a career of mixing country, classic rock, and rap. He gets played on top 40, country, and active rock stations.

Here would be my plan. You take the backing track of DSB they recorded for the Revelation disc. You get Nettles or Swift or another female country or R&B singer. Have them trade off vocals with Arnel. For promotion, you shoot a live video performance of the guest with the band and use the studio track for the audio. See if Azoff can earn his money by getting the band on an awards show to perform it with the guest. Sell it as a download, CD single, and/or give it away with purchase of Eclipse at Walmart.

Greg

Actually, I think this idea has a lot of merit. The popularity of this song, sadly, out-does people's awareness of who actually DID the song originally. Plus, the song DOES lend itself very well to this idea. You take maybne Taylor Swift, Reba, Martina McBride...any of those would be great...and you give them the "Just a smalltown girl" and arnel can trade off vocals with the "Just a city boy" part.

The key to the success of your idea, is to definitely have the entire band up on stage with this country singer...promote it properly and drop the name Journey all over the place...and have them perform the song on all the country music awards shows...CMTV and such...and you definitely would get surge of attention, I believe not unlike we saw when the story of how Arnel was found (and his history), came out.

Awful idea. What's next? An album full of covers, like the creatively-bankrupt Styx or Poison? Journey is better than this. Neal was againt the Wmart re-records, but did it just so he could get new stuff out there. Hopefully they never slum like that again.

Cain was floating the idea of re-recording Arrival during a recent interview so you never know. It would probably have to be a self financed album and purely for artistic purposes as actually making money off of it would most likely be out of the question.

I have some mixed feelings about that. Augeri was such a wonderful guy. If you spent any time speaking with him, and I was blessed to have plenty, you found out veryu quickly how down to earth he was, and more interested in learning about you and just chit-chatting, than talking about himself or the band. So re-recording Arrival kinda hurts a little, due to my fondness for Mtr Augeri....a classy man if there ever was one. However, Arrival was such a fantastic CD (in my opinion) and I would honestly lvoe to hear how Arnel would sound on it, and see if it maybe gets another chance at life.

If they are so creatively bankrupt to even entertain the thought, here's another idea. Contact Steve Perry and see if he'll sell you some of those 50 songs he has sitting in his sock drawer. Not likely that they'll see the light of day any other way.

[Gideon]

If they are so creatively bankrupt to even entertain the thought, here's another idea. Contact Steve Perry and see if he'll sell you some of those 50 songs he has sitting in his sock drawer. Not likely that they'll see the light of day any other way.

They're better off with Madison's Crayon-drafted country garbage than what "songs" Perry's "written."

[steveo777]

If they are so creatively bankrupt to even entertain the thought, here's another idea. Contact Steve Perry and see if he'll sell you some of those 50 songs he has sitting in his sock drawer. Not likely that they'll see the light of day any other way.

They're better off with Madison's Crayon-drafted country garbage than what "songs" Perry's "written."

Without Neal, and especially Cain's participation, those songs Perry has are probably dung anyway.

[Gideon]

If they are so creatively bankrupt to even entertain the thought, here's another idea. Contact Steve Perry and see if he'll sell you some of those 50 songs he has sitting in his sock drawer. Not likely that they'll see the light of day any other way.

They're better off with Madison's Crayon-drafted country garbage than what "songs" Perry's "written."

Without Neal, and especially Cain's participation, those songs Perry has are probably dung anyway.

I'll always give Perry his due as a phenomenal singer and a talented vocalist, but Cain is lightyears ahead of him as a writer. Eclipse destroys FtLOSM, lyrically.

[Don]

If they are so creatively bankrupt to even entertain the thought, here's another idea. Contact Steve Perry and see if he'll sell you some of those 50 songs he has sitting in his sock drawer. Not likely that they'll see the light of day any other way.

They're better off with Madison's Crayon-drafted country garbage than what "songs" Perry's "written."

Without Neal, and especially Cain's participation, those songs Perry has are probably dung anyway.

I'll always give Perry his due as a phenomenal singer and a talented vocalist, but Cain is lightyears ahead of him as a writer. Eclipse destroys FtLOSM, lyrically.

Anything would be better than re-recording Arrival. Would you pay for it?

[Gideon]

Anything would be better than re-recording Arrival. Would you pay for it?

I would check out the youtubes lol.
I'd listen to it, as I'd listen to anything Perry or Journey put out. Doesn't mean I'd like it. But it's a dumb idea in both the spheres of creativity and integrity.

[Don]

If they are so creatively bankrupt to even entertain the thought, here's another idea. Contact Steve Perry and see if he'll sell you some of those 50 songs he has sitting in his sock drawer. Not likely that they'll see the light of day any other way.

They're better off with Madison's Crayon-drafted country garbage than what "songs" Perry's "written."

Without Neal, and especially Cain's participation, those songs Perry has are probably dung anyway.

Looking at song writing credits, almost half of Journey's major hits are without Neal. A lot of the tunes seem to stem from Jon coming up with some lyrics and taking them to Perry for a collaboration while Neal was off doodling in a corner.

[Gideon]

Looking at song writing credits, almost half of Journey's major hits are without Neal.

Cain is and has always been, without question, Journey's best writer and most musically talented member. Perry was prolific and Neal is prodigious and their efforts pretty much always improve Cain's work.

[Don]

Ditching the ballads for Eclipse to go back to an album that was criticized for being ballad heavy just make the band look like it's lost it's musical compass.

Arrival doesn't need a second chance. If Eclipse can't outsell out with it Wal-Mart behind it behind it, a rebooted album with no distributor isn't even going to pay for itself.