If Steve Perry never got into that hiking accident...

[portland]

HA!!!! yes!!!

You owe Dan drinks, though, so don't expect to be cheap for too long.

Dan owes me MANY drinks!!! So if you stay close I will share!!

Last time I saw Dan it was a weekend of drinks.

I am sure.....Dan is a good guy...IMHO!

[Seven Wishes2]

There WAS no hiking accident. What a load of bunk.

[TotoFan77]

Why has the truth never really come out then? It's been almost 14 years now.

[Seven Wishes2]

The truth is, BigNose didn't ever intend to tour. The band is under a permanent gag order, so you'll never hear them out Perry on this one.

[TotoFan77]

I'm not saying you're lying but how on Earth do you know that information? Come on, I'm not trying to be some ignorant fan, I really don't know the true story so please guys, if you know the actual story, I would love to hear it. I want to be educated on this.

[Andrew]

I'm not saying you're lying but how on Earth do you know that information? Come on, I'm not trying to be some ignorant fan, I really don't know the true story so please guys, if you know the actual story, I would love to hear it. I want to be educated on this.

Go back to Post #1 and keep reading. See you in 6 months.

[Rick]

I'm not saying you're lying but how on Earth do you know that information? Come on, I'm not trying to be some ignorant fan, I really don't know the true story so please guys, if you know the actual story, I would love to hear it. I want to be educated on this.

Nobody knows but Perry. Everyone has their own speculated story though. Me? I think he intended to see TBF all the way through, at the onset. He had come off of a fairly successful tour for FTLOSM. He probably felt fairly confident and thought he was up to it with a year or so of good vocal rest. The recording sessions for TBF were reported to be very laborious in the vocal department. I think he knew he was in trouble at that point. He probably tried every conventional vocal treatment that proved to be of little help for a set of pipes that had a lot of grueling miles on them.

[portland]

I'm not saying you're lying but how on Earth do you know that information? Come on, I'm not trying to be some ignorant fan, I really don't know the true story so please guys, if you know the actual story, I would love to hear it. I want to be educated on this.

Nobody knows but Perry. Everyone has their own speculated story though. Me? I think he intended to see TBF all the way through, at the onset. He had come off of a fairly successful tour for FTLOSM. He probably felt fairly confident and thought he was up to it with a year or so of good vocal rest. The recording sessions for TBF were reported to be very laborious in the vocal department. I think he knew he was in trouble at that point. He probably tried every conventional vocal treatment that proved to be of little help for a set of pipes that had a lot of grueling miles on them.

I LOVE him more than most here...and I will respect the music that he gave us...anything more...is a NO comment.

[AR]

If I were Perry I'd end the tease. Just say "Hey I am 60 year old +. That was a special time in my life but I don't need to go out and try to recreate the past and cash in on a reunion tour. It would be tough on me at my age and the demand for my services would probably be too much. Perhaps a one of show for charity might be possible at some point, but thanks to everyone who remembers me and don't stop believing."

I have always loved how Robert Plant avoids the full scale Led Zeppelin reunion.

[portland]

If I were Perry I'd end the tease. Just say "Hey I am 60 year old +. That was a special time in my life but I don't need to go out and try to recreate the past and cash in on a reunion tour. It would be tough on me at my age and the demand for my services would probably be too much. Perhaps a one of show for charity might be possible at some point, but thanks to everyone who remembers me and don't stop believing."

I have always loved how Robert Plant avoids the full scale Led Zeppelin reunion.

He doesn't need to do that...the train moved on without him..no?


No tease he is done...does he miss it..yes more than we can appreicate...I think we are all getting old...AND I WOULD
LOVE TO BE 18 again...it's not going to happen!

[TotoFan77]

I'm not saying you're lying but how on Earth do you know that information? Come on, I'm not trying to be some ignorant fan, I really don't know the true story so please guys, if you know the actual story, I would love to hear it. I want to be educated on this.

Go back to Post #1 and keep reading. See you in 6 months.

Don't understand your need to make smart ass remarks like that. I'm obviously aware of what was said in this thread but I wanted to know more. Someone earlier said the accident didn't happen, I wanted to know the full story.

[Rick]

I'm not saying you're lying but how on Earth do you know that information? Come on, I'm not trying to be some ignorant fan, I really don't know the true story so please guys, if you know the actual story, I would love to hear it. I want to be educated on this.

Go back to Post #1 and keep reading. See you in 6 months.

Don't understand your need to make smart ass remarks like that. I'm obviously aware of what was said in this thread but I wanted to know more. Someone earlier said the accident didn't happen, I wanted to know the full story.

Andrew owns this board, he's entitled. He meant the first post of the whole entire board. He can be a smartass sometimes, for sure.

[Andrew]

I'm not saying you're lying but how on Earth do you know that information? Come on, I'm not trying to be some ignorant fan, I really don't know the true story so please guys, if you know the actual story, I would love to hear it. I want to be educated on this.

Go back to Post #1 and keep reading. See you in 6 months.

Don't understand your need to make smart ass remarks like that. I'm obviously aware of what was said in this thread but I wanted to know more. Someone earlier said the accident didn't happen, I wanted to know the full story.

Andrew owns this board, he's entitled. He meant the first post of the whole entire board. He can be a smartass sometimes, for sure.

Me? A smart ass? C'mon Rick...never...

To Toto dude....I was being literal. Go back and do some research and make up your own mind....no one knows 100% for sure, but it has been discussed many many times over.

[froy]

It's crazy isn't it, just how different things would be today if Steve had somehow avoided that accident. Where do you think Journey would be today? That accident ruined everything.

You mean the made up accident? He has not sang a song since

[Don]

I blame it all on Hawaiian Gold.

[Arkansas]

No matter how much we all want to debate it...

Perry likes the studio, and not the road.
Perry can't sing like he once did. Perry can still sing, but not Journey...or probably not even Perry solo.
Perry's financial status is firm. He doesn't need any new cash. He's still making bank from the Journey catalog.

So what? Who really gives a s#it, and how does it improve any of our lives?
Leave the guy alone.
Just write him off.
He'll continue on, in whatever form, without us I'm sure.

Maybe if we'd forget him, he'd get a real itch to do something, no?


later~

[Monker]

It's crazy isn't it, just how different things would be today if Steve had somehow avoided that accident. Where do you think Journey would be today? That accident ruined everything.

You mean the made up accident? He has not sang a song since

That is simply NOT TRUE,

He has not toured or recorded a full album...but, he has 'sang a song' a few times over.

[Jubilee]

If Perry never got into that hiking accident.........................

.................... he would have come up with another excuse.

+1

Remember, as the legend is told, Perry practically had to be marched back to the band at the point of a bayonet. Apparently, he was still on the hook for one more record with Journey. Once that obligation was fulfilled, he was looking for an exit.

I'm firmly in the camp of those who believe that if it hadn't been the "hip" situation, it would have been something else. From the sound of his voice on TBF, which was tired & ragged, he likely knew he wasn't going to make it through another one of Journey's legendary marathon tours. Not with that catalogue.

To me, the most telling thing is that Perry never put out another record.

[george_g]

It's crazy isn't it, just how different things would be today if Steve had somehow avoided that accident. Where do you think Journey would be today? That accident ruined everything.

it would not make any difference because his voice was not up to it any longer.

Months after it, he was asked about it by a caller, and he said he was fine.
He said he was hiking
He said he was mountain climbing.
He even said he was biking...though it's hard to tell.
He said he had an 'injury'.
He said he had a degenerative hip disease.

So, even Steve Perry doesn't really know what happened...Or, he at least can't keep his story straight.

He basically, took a vacation in Hawaii and had some private time. "Something" happened. He came back and a few months later did a few radio shows, on one he said he was 'fine'. Then he disappeared for months and when he reappeared he said he needed his hip replaced and don't crack the stone.

He was in the same spot with his voice where Augeri was with his last tour...he wouldn't be able to pull off a Journey tour and he knew it.

So, if he hadn't fell off a mountain, he would have hurt himself playing baseball. Or, he would have pulled a muscle while jogging. Or, he would have become allergic to the sun and stage lighting would make him sick. Whatever....a TBF tour wasn't going to happen with Perry.

So clear now...crystal!!!

if all this is true then it's a fraud that he had the surgery too?? ...c'mon people

[annie89509]

It's crazy isn't it, just how different things would be today if Steve had somehow avoided that accident. Where do you think Journey would be today? That accident ruined everything.

You mean the made up accident? He has not sang a song since

Not with Journey, but what about I Stand Alone?! A little raspy, but vintage SP (sigh)...
We can speculate all we want over Steve's true intent (to tour), but the fact is he did have a hip problem and subsequently had hip replacement surgery. I have read too many accounts from people in the know to believe it's all a ruse...David Pack, Steve Smith, John Kalodner, Uncle JoeB, the FanAsylum gals...

[onmyjrny]

Perry DID nix the idea of a reunion ever happening back in January. I don't recall him claiming he is going to tour again, just that he would like to record some more songs.

The most recent interview in the Jon Cain interview thread seems to support that Perry did have hip problems and that the pain would come and go. That would explain why he went on the radio interviews, thinking that a tour could happen, then be knocked down by debilitating pain again. I don't recall him ever saying it was anything other than hiking in the mountains that started the pain.

If the problem was vocal and not his hip, the band and everyone surrounding the band was lying and covering it up. They would have known from the studio sessions that his voice was shot and he wouldn't be able to tour. Why would they all have gone on record saying there would be a tour when they would have known differently? If this was the case, don't you think someone would have slipped by now and the story would be out?

[froy]

It's crazy isn't it, just how different things would be today if Steve had somehow avoided that accident. Where do you think Journey would be today? That accident ruined everything.

You mean the made up accident? He has not sang a song since

That is simply NOT TRUE,

He has not toured or recorded a full album...but, he has 'sang a song' a few times over.

Let me rephrase sang a song live since..

[escapefan]

Wonder how long it took to record I Stand Alone?

[Greg]

It's crazy isn't it, just how different things would be today if Steve had somehow avoided that accident. Where do you think Journey would be today? That accident ruined everything.

You mean the made up accident? He has not sang a song since

I Stand Alone.

[NoMoreTails]

I had nearly forgotten about the outstanding "I Stand A--croak--lone...uh..."
A very profound statement in regards to Perry's life it would seem.
The hip wouldn't have kept him from making appearances to promote TBF on the late shows, etc. I believe Cain said he could have sat on a stool or whatever. The voice was shot. I have no problem with him not going out on the road if he couldn't meet the standards he set for himself, but he shouldn't have strung the band and the fans along with the hip bs.

[onmyjrny]

I had nearly forgotten about the outstanding "I Stand A--croak--lone...uh..."
A very profound statement in regards to Perry's life it would seem.
The hip wouldn't have kept him from making appearances to promote TBF on the late shows, etc. I believe Cain said he could have sat on a stool or whatever. The voice was shot. I have no problem with him not going out on the road if he couldn't meet the standards he set for himself, but he shouldn't have strung the band and the fans along with the hip bs.

Why are you so sure it is BS? That comment about the stool is the most pathetic thing I have ever heard. Can you imagine going to a rock concert and having the lead singer up in front on a stool? Give me a break!!

You are contradicting yourself by saying that Cain said he could have sat on a stool, and then saying that it was all BS. Was the whole band lying?

[yandtguy]

It's really not this great mystery. At some point, Perry decided he couldn't do the tour because of physical limitations or that he just didn't want to do the tour. It hurt the band, it hurt him, and it hurt the fans. Most of us have recovered. The band sure has. Maybe the rest of you should as well.

As an aside, if it is indeed true that Perry was strong-armed into making Trial by Fire by Sony, it should have been no surprise that he bailed on the tour. Both the ROR and FTLOSM tours were cut short at Perry's insistence and after albums that he was the driving force behind. If any of the band members or management claim they were shocked he didn't tour, they must be stupid beyond belief.

[Greg]

I had nearly forgotten about the outstanding "I Stand A--croak--lone...uh..."
A very profound statement in regards to Perry's life it would seem.
The hip wouldn't have kept him from making appearances to promote TBF on the late shows, etc. I believe Cain said he could have sat on a stool or whatever. The voice was shot. I have no problem with him not going out on the road if he couldn't meet the standards he set for himself, but he shouldn't have strung the band and the fans along with the hip bs.

Hah, that song actually had gotten more radio air time than anything Journey has done post Perry in my region!

The way I see it, nobody knows truly what went on and it's kind of pointless to speculate about it now. That was about 15 years ago. I, personally, would rather see Perry in Journey, but I'm also fine with both the band and Perry doing the things they want to do. The band is still touring and making new music (well, that might change) and Perry is enjoying his retirement. 'Nuff said.

[NoMoreTails]

I had nearly forgotten about the outstanding "I Stand A--croak--lone...uh..."
A very profound statement in regards to Perry's life it would seem.
The hip wouldn't have kept him from making appearances to promote TBF on the late shows, etc. I believe Cain said he could have sat on a stool or whatever. The voice was shot. I have no problem with him not going out on the road if he couldn't meet the standards he set for himself, but he shouldn't have strung the band and the fans along with the hip bs.

Why are you so sure it is BS? That comment about the stool is the most pathetic thing I have ever heard. Can you imagine going to a rock concert and having the lead singer up in front on a stool? Give me a break!!

You are contradicting yourself by saying that Cain said he could have sat on a stool, and then saying that it was all BS. Was the whole band lying?

I think the stool comment was in regards to a late show appearance, etc, rather than a tour.
I don't think so, if you'd kept up with the whole saga since 1997 you would have gathered that the band thinks its bullshit, though they have gone along with it to an extent to the media and fans.

[NoMoreTails]

I had nearly forgotten about the outstanding "I Stand A--croak--lone...uh..."
A very profound statement in regards to Perry's life it would seem.
The hip wouldn't have kept him from making appearances to promote TBF on the late shows, etc. I believe Cain said he could have sat on a stool or whatever. The voice was shot. I have no problem with him not going out on the road if he couldn't meet the standards he set for himself, but he shouldn't have strung the band and the fans along with the hip bs.

Hah, that song actually had gotten more radio air time than anything Journey has done post Perry in my region!

That song had David Foster and a record company behind it and a video to promote it in the days when that still meant something. Around that same time Journey's new single was hardly audible in a movie and not supported or promoted by Sony as a single. Its almost as if Sony and JDK wanted to make sure Journey didn't succeed as they were still thinking there was a possibilty Perry could come back and croak his way through another reunion cd. They didn't get behind Arrival three years later.