If your pet dies.

[Babyblue]

Wow,
you guys totally gangbanged poor Rick. I think he made a great point and I totally agree with him.

I'm more sad about the 29000+ children that have died in Africa the last 90 days

For all those who agreed with Rick's sentiment and used the dying in Africa as a comparison of 'How dare people be so concerned about animals when humans are suffering in the world', still not one has posted a thread about those dying in Africa with a link to a charity for people to donate money and actually do something about it. What matters is that people at least give a damn about something. If they don't understand why someone would love their pet so much, that's their business, but dumping on others for it was unnecessary. I don't think it was meant that way, because I do think Rick is a pretty nice guy, but it didn't come across well.

I know Rick, is a super guy.I don't agree with him but thats fine.

Oh no. Poor Rick is going to lose tons of sleep over this now

If he loses any sleep it will be from all those animals he boards...poor guy!

[CatEyes]

Rick, you are the Forum's pet and we will all miss you when you die.

For years I've posted and acted like a dog, a pig and jackass and Rick gets to be the forum pet?!?

Yeh but YOU didn't start this thread.


But I can kick you in the doghouse along with him if you like.

How 'bout something that involves being spanked, instead?

You would like it too much ... especially if it involves leather

[Duncan]

Wow,
you guys totally gangbanged poor Rick.

You could say the same for a couple people in the religion thread, but I don't see you speaking for them there.

Thanks mate, but I think I can handle them.

[verslibre]

You're a glommer.

[Rhiannon]

They're like 25 bucks at the pet store.

No disrespect to any pet lovers, but I just don't get it. Sorry Scary.

I see people on my friends list on Facebook that absolutely flood the page with "This dog will be euthanized at some certain time if someone doesn't adopt it" and so on.

I look at these posts and am completely baffled. How in hell can you put this much energy into worrying about what some dog's fate is going to be when there are people in the world that need help. Beats the hell out of me.

Cats and dogs are animals. People are animals. People are biased to forget that because of our cognizance, as much as we can be aware. People tend to assume animals don't share in this. But again, we are animals. Emotional bonds and love can be established between a dog and a small child as could be that child and it's sibling. Their brains just aren't large enough to have developed a spoken language that we could understand so the default is to subclassify the value of their life. Of course a human would protect the life of a child over a dog in a what-would-you-do scenario. But that's the trait of the animal is to protect it's own kind. Possibly why you don't grasp it, Rick. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing you need to change. I don't get soccer, but a pantload of people seem to get it, so okay.

(And I also didn't read this thread other than Rick's post and the last few so if I'm retracking already discussed ground, sorry. )

[Rick]

They're like 25 bucks at the pet store.

No disrespect to any pet lovers, but I just don't get it. Sorry Scary.

I see people on my friends list on Facebook that absolutely flood the page with "This dog will be euthanized at some certain time if someone doesn't adopt it" and so on.

I look at these posts and am completely baffled. How in hell can you put this much energy into worrying about what some dog's fate is going to be when there are people in the world that need help. Beats the hell out of me.

Cats and dogs are animals. People are animals. People are biased to forget that because of our cognizance, as much as we can be aware. People tend to assume animals don't share in this. But again, we are animals. Emotional bonds and love can be established between a dog and a small child as could be that child and it's sibling. Their brains just aren't large enough to have developed a spoken language that we could understand so the default is to subclassify the value of their life. Of course a human would protect the life of a child over a dog in a what-would-you-do scenario. But that's the trait of the animal is to protect it's own kind. Possibly why you don't grasp it, Rick. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing you need to change. I don't get soccer, but a pantload of people seem to get it, so okay.

(And I also didn't read this thread other than Rick's post and the last few so if I'm retracking already discussed ground, sorry. )

I guess I should clarify a few things. I'm not an animal hater, by any means. We have a bevy of them here in our household and they're very well taken care of. They get their shots, neutering, declawing done and so forth. Lacy, our dog, is quite possibly the best dog I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. She's getting quite old, and by the way, we had a cyst removed from her back a couple of years ago. I'm probably going to cry like a child when she finally departs this earth, as she's been a big part of this family. But it's an expected departure, as they all should be. I'm sure we'll go right to the pet store, or in the case of Lacy, to an animal shelter and adopt another one.

[scarygirl]

They're like 25 bucks at the pet store.

No disrespect to any pet lovers, but I just don't get it. Sorry Scary.

I see people on my friends list on Facebook that absolutely flood the page with "This dog will be euthanized at some certain time if someone doesn't adopt it" and so on.

I look at these posts and am completely baffled. How in hell can you put this much energy into worrying about what some dog's fate is going to be when there are people in the world that need help. Beats the hell out of me.

Cats and dogs are animals. People are animals. People are biased to forget that because of our cognizance, as much as we can be aware. People tend to assume animals don't share in this. But again, we are animals. Emotional bonds and love can be established between a dog and a small child as could be that child and it's sibling. Their brains just aren't large enough to have developed a spoken language that we could understand so the default is to subclassify the value of their life. Of course a human would protect the life of a child over a dog in a what-would-you-do scenario. But that's the trait of the animal is to protect it's own kind. Possibly why you don't grasp it, Rick. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing you need to change. I don't get soccer, but a pantload of people seem to get it, so okay.

(And I also didn't read this thread other than Rick's post and the last few so if I'm retracking already discussed ground, sorry. )

I guess I should clarify a few things. I'm not an animal hater, by any means. We have a bevy of them here in our household and they're very well taken care of. They get their shots, neutering, declawing done and so forth. Lacy, our dog, is quite possibly the best dog I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. She's getting quite old, and by the way, we had a cyst removed from her back a couple of years ago. I'm probably going to cry like a child when she finally departs this earth, as she's been a big part of this family. But it's an expected departure, as they all should be. I'm sure we'll go right to the pet store, or in the case of Lacy, to an animal shelter and adopt another one.

Rick,

I am not mad at you. Just so you know. Like someone else sad, in a what would you do scenario I would save a child hands down. But since I don't have children, Mya and Toni are the closest I am ever going to get. I feed them, love them, I worry when they are sick, I take them to the doctor. I understand that animals die everyday.. In this case, it wasn't unexpected AT ALL. Even the vet is stumped. It wasn't supposed to happen over a simple cut. The simple cut wasn't supposed to hvae happened at all. At least not this day. This was done by my new roomie's hand. Her words admitted actions , the timing, the type of cut, the vet's report all bare this scenario out. Mya was ripped for me and for something sooo stupid as someone brushing him without mypermission and taking scissors and cutting out some matted fur def without my permission. Then to lie and try to cover up. To break my radio and say nothing about it? All this happened within 24 hours of her moving in..... I would feel a lot better if she had admitted to it. I am 95 percent certain it was either her, her grandson, or both. They took my radio in my their room, closed the door and played it. The next morning I walk in as they are leaving and I find it broken on the floor of her bedroom. She had to know.... This is a very bad situatiion. What;s worse, her phone is disconnected and I can';t talk to her about it. She did pay a good amounbt of money for moving so she is probably broke and just couldn';t pay it... I now have to wait for her to come back and have a long talk. I hope and pray she will just leave..... Otherwise I will have to evict her... And SINCE there is a lease that will be very hard to do. She holds alll the cards.... Not mad at you, but I think if you had really understood the gravity of the situation I am in that the thread's tone would have been differenet.

[conversationpc]

Wow,
you guys totally gangbanged poor Rick.

You could say the same for a couple people in the religion thread, but I don't see you speaking for them there.

Thanks mate, but I think I can handle them.

I think verslibre was talking about Ginger and I.

[verslibre]

Wow,
you guys totally gangbanged poor Rick.

You could say the same for a couple people in the religion thread, but I don't see you speaking for them there.

Thanks mate, but I think I can handle them.

I think verslibre was talking about Ginger and I.

He knows that. It was past his curfew.

[whocares]

pets aren't kids or your children, anyone who calls a pet their kid is delusional. They aren't just like a kid, they don't shit a diaper, they don't throw cherios all over the floor form their high chair. Anyone who get's upset because other people rightfully so feel animals are PETS and not a persons kids, needs to have more human contact.

Rick's not a bad person for pasting his thoughts on this. At least he's living in reality.

[Rick]

They're like 25 bucks at the pet store.

No disrespect to any pet lovers, but I just don't get it. Sorry Scary.

I see people on my friends list on Facebook that absolutely flood the page with "This dog will be euthanized at some certain time if someone doesn't adopt it" and so on.

I look at these posts and am completely baffled. How in hell can you put this much energy into worrying about what some dog's fate is going to be when there are people in the world that need help. Beats the hell out of me.

Cats and dogs are animals. People are animals. People are biased to forget that because of our cognizance, as much as we can be aware. People tend to assume animals don't share in this. But again, we are animals. Emotional bonds and love can be established between a dog and a small child as could be that child and it's sibling. Their brains just aren't large enough to have developed a spoken language that we could understand so the default is to subclassify the value of their life. Of course a human would protect the life of a child over a dog in a what-would-you-do scenario. But that's the trait of the animal is to protect it's own kind. Possibly why you don't grasp it, Rick. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing you need to change. I don't get soccer, but a pantload of people seem to get it, so okay.

(And I also didn't read this thread other than Rick's post and the last few so if I'm retracking already discussed ground, sorry. )

I guess I should clarify a few things. I'm not an animal hater, by any means. We have a bevy of them here in our household and they're very well taken care of. They get their shots, neutering, declawing done and so forth. Lacy, our dog, is quite possibly the best dog I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. She's getting quite old, and by the way, we had a cyst removed from her back a couple of years ago. I'm probably going to cry like a child when she finally departs this earth, as she's been a big part of this family. But it's an expected departure, as they all should be. I'm sure we'll go right to the pet store, or in the case of Lacy, to an animal shelter and adopt another one.

Rick,

I am not mad at you. Just so you know. Like someone else sad, in a what would you do scenario I would save a child hands down. But since I don't have children, Mya and Toni are the closest I am ever going to get. I feed them, love them, I worry when they are sick, I take them to the doctor. I understand that animals die everyday.. In this case, it wasn't unexpected AT ALL. Even the vet is stumped. It wasn't supposed to happen over a simple cut. The simple cut wasn't supposed to have happened at all. At least not this day. This was done by my new roomie's hand. Her words admitted actions , the timing, the type of cut, the vet's report all bare this scenario out. Mya was ripped for me and for something sooo stupid as someone brushing him without my permission and taking scissors and cutting out some matted fur def without my permission. Then to lie and try to cover up. To break my radio and say nothing about it? All this happened within 24 hours of her moving in..... I would feel a lot better if she had admitted to it. I am 95 percent certain it was either her, her grandson, or both. They took my radio in my their room, closed the door and played it. The next morning I walk in as they are leaving and I find it broken on the floor of her bedroom. She had to know.... This is a very bad situation. What;s worse, her phone is disconnected and I can';t talk to her about it. She did pay a good amounbt of money for moving so she is probably broke and just couldn';t pay it... I now have to wait for her to come back and have a long talk. I hope and pray she will just leave..... Otherwise I will have to evict her... And SINCE there is a lease that will be very hard to do. She holds alll the cards.... Not mad at you, but I think if you had really understood the gravity of the situation I am in that the thread's tone would have been different.

Sorry about all the bad stuff that's happened. I hope it all gets sorted out.

[scarygirl]

pets aren't kids or your children, anyone who calls a pet their kid is delusional. They aren't just like a kid, they don't shit a diaper, they don't throw cherios all over the floor form their high chair. Anyone who get's upset because other people rightfully so feel animals are PETS and not a persons kids, needs to have more human contact.

Rick's not a bad person for pasting his thoughts on this. At least he's living in reality.

If living in reality means (and this is not directed at Rick) thinking it is okay to be purposely mean to animals or allowing a dog to eat another cat alive then I'd rather not. I'd rather have compassion than be a monster.

I never jumped on Rick btw. There were other people who thought the thread was in poor taste and simply stated so.. I am not mad at Rick. I came very close to not responding at all.

What made me mad was being made to feel like I didn't have the right to post my threads. I post about things that are important to me. I posted about Mya's passing because I consider many of the people on this message board to be my friends. It is no diferent than when people have posted about a relative passing etc.

I get lots of human contact btw. I have plenty of friends. I attend church. I personally think having animals makes me a better human being. I would never hurt anyone, human or not. At the end of the day the $300 I spent to try and make Mya well was money well spent. . Would you ahve rather I just let him run around with a cut, got an infection and die a slow painful death? If I did that a child it would be considered second degree murder or some other charge. The only reason why Mya died was due to an reactiion to the antibiotic. My taking Mya to the vet was the right thing to do. Anything less would have been inhumane. There are laws against animal cruelty btw. Stick that where the sun doesn't shine.

I loved Mya with all of my heart and I am notr ashamed to say it. I thank God everyday for blessing me with two beautiful cats, a nice home, good friends and a job. All in all I'd say I am VERY LUCKY!

On a personal note, I want to thank everyone who came out and was supportive of me. It meant a lot and has made the week a lot more bearable.

[verslibre]

pets aren't kids or your children, anyone who calls a pet their kid is delusional. They aren't just like a kid, they don't shit a diaper, they don't throw cherios all over the floor form their high chair. Anyone who get's upset because other people rightfully so feel animals are PETS and not a persons kids, needs to have more human contact.

Been suckin' lemon wedges all day?

Rick's not a bad person for pasting his thoughts on this.

He's not. It's his timing that was bad with regard to the topic.

[scarygirl]

They're like 25 bucks at the pet store.

No disrespect to any pet lovers, but I just don't get it. Sorry Scary.

I see people on my friends list on Facebook that absolutely flood the page with "This dog will be euthanized at some certain time if someone doesn't adopt it" and so on.

I look at these posts and am completely baffled. How in hell can you put this much energy into worrying about what some dog's fate is going to be when there are people in the world that need help. Beats the hell out of me.

Cats and dogs are animals. People are animals. People are biased to forget that because of our cognizance, as much as we can be aware. People tend to assume animals don't share in this. But again, we are animals. Emotional bonds and love can be established between a dog and a small child as could be that child and it's sibling. Their brains just aren't large enough to have developed a spoken language that we could understand so the default is to subclassify the value of their life. Of course a human would protect the life of a child over a dog in a what-would-you-do scenario. But that's the trait of the animal is to protect it's own kind. Possibly why you don't grasp it, Rick. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing you need to change. I don't get soccer, but a pantload of people seem to get it, so okay.

(And I also didn't read this thread other than Rick's post and the last few so if I'm retracking already discussed ground, sorry. )

I guess I should clarify a few things. I'm not an animal hater, by any means. We have a bevy of them here in our household and they're very well taken care of. They get their shots, neutering, declawing done and so forth. Lacy, our dog, is quite possibly the best dog I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. She's getting quite old, and by the way, we had a cyst removed from her back a couple of years ago. I'm probably going to cry like a child when she finally departs this earth, as she's been a big part of this family. But it's an expected departure, as they all should be. I'm sure we'll go right to the pet store, or in the case of Lacy, to an animal shelter and adopt another one.

Rick,

I am not mad at you. Just so you know. Like someone else sad, in a what would you do scenario I would save a child hands down. But since I don't have children, Mya and Toni are the closest I am ever going to get. I feed them, love them, I worry when they are sick, I take them to the doctor. I understand that animals die everyday.. In this case, it wasn't unexpected AT ALL. Even the vet is stumped. It wasn't supposed to happen over a simple cut. The simple cut wasn't supposed to have happened at all. At least not this day. This was done by my new roomie's hand. Her words admitted actions , the timing, the type of cut, the vet's report all bare this scenario out. Mya was ripped for me and for something sooo stupid as someone brushing him without my permission and taking scissors and cutting out some matted fur def without my permission. Then to lie and try to cover up. To break my radio and say nothing about it? All this happened within 24 hours of her moving in..... I would feel a lot better if she had admitted to it. I am 95 percent certain it was either her, her grandson, or both. They took my radio in my their room, closed the door and played it. The next morning I walk in as they are leaving and I find it broken on the floor of her bedroom. She had to know.... This is a very bad situation. What;s worse, her phone is disconnected and I can';t talk to her about it. She did pay a good amounbt of money for moving so she is probably broke and just couldn';t pay it... I now have to wait for her to come back and have a long talk. I hope and pray she will just leave..... Otherwise I will have to evict her... And SINCE there is a lease that will be very hard to do. She holds alll the cards.... Not mad at you, but I think if you had really understood the gravity of the situation I am in that the thread's tone would have been different.

Sorry about all the bad stuff that's happened. I hope it all gets sorted out.

Thank you.

[Saint John]

So, who/what killed your cat ... the roommate or the antibiotics?

[Arianddu]

Rick, I think you kinda missed the point: it isn't that a cat intrisically has the same "worth" as a human being, it's that one of our MR people is upset and grieving, and needs a little friendly comforting. We've had people here who've come for some comfort and advice about all kinds of shit that has upset their lives - quarrels with spouses, break ups, losing jobs, car problems, kid problems, parent problems, bills coming out the wazoo, shitty day with the boss and yeah, even death of a family member. There isn't some kind of 'importance' scale, just that one of our friends is in trouble and needs a little cheering up and some help. I can understand wondering why the death of a cat needed two threads, but they were kinda different - one was "I'm sad, something/one I love died and it was completely unexpected" and one was "I'm faced with a big problem regarding a stranger I have just let move into my home and I need some thinking aloud space and some feedback about it."

Scarygirl, I'm sorry your cat died. I know how horrible it is to have a pet die and not know why - it eats away at the back of your mind. And I understand you must be feeling your stomach tying itself in knots right now about the new housemate, because no matter what her answer is, it's going to suck. If she 'fesses up that she hurt your cat, or her grandson did, then you can never trust her to be honest with you again - if she didn't tell you about an injured animal straight away, what else is she going to hide from you? And if she denies it, and you don't know what happened to Mya for sure, then that suspicion that she is lying is going to stay at the back of your mind the whole time, and you still won't be able to fully trust her. Either way, your relationship with your new housemate has been soured, and if she isn't around for you to talk it through with, it must be driving you crazy playing out all the worst scenarios in your mind. I don't really have any solutions to offer, I can only say I hope it works out well for you, without too many problems.

(And now I'm going to shut up before I risk filling the ecological niche left empty by Phyllis. If I stop using paragraphs, please put me out of my misery before it's too late.)

[scarygirl]

So, who/what killed your cat ... the roommate or the antibiotics?

The antibiotic is ultimately what killed him, but she hastened death's door by grooming him without my permission and by taking a pair of scissors and accidently cutting him. I didn't see this first hand, but based on the type of injury, her own statements, and the vet's report (the cut was superficial,3 cms wide, curved and the hair surrounding the cut was clipped much shorter than the rest of his hair) I'd say this is a prtty likely scenario... He used to get stuff caught in his fur. He pulled awy as she was brushing him. What she forgot to mention was as I was cutting out a matted place with scissorss.

[scarygirl]

Rick, I think you kinda missed the point: it isn't that a cat intrisically has the same "worth" as a human being, it's that one of our MR people is upset and grieving, and needs a little friendly comforting. We've had people here who've come for some comfort and advice about all kinds of shit that has upset their lives - quarrels with spouses, break ups, losing jobs, car problems, kid problems, parent problems, bills coming out the wazoo, shitty day with the boss and yeah, even death of a family member. There isn't some kind of 'importance' scale, just that one of our friends is in trouble and needs a little cheering up and some help. I can understand wondering why the death of a cat needed two threads, but they were kinda different - one was "I'm sad, something/one I love died and it was completely unexpected" and one was "I'm faced with a big problem regarding a stranger I have just let move into my home and I need some thinking aloud space and some feedback about it."

Scarygirl, I'm sorry your cat died. I know how horrible it is to have a pet die and not know why - it eats away at the back of your mind. And I understand you must be feeling your stomach tying itself in knots right now about the new housemate, because no matter what her answer is, it's going to suck. If she 'fesses up that she hurt your cat, or her grandson did, then you can never trust her to be honest with you again - if she didn't tell you about an injured animal straight away, what else is she going to hide from you? And if she denies it, and you don't know what happened to Mya for sure, then that suspicion that she is lying is going to stay at the back of your mind the whole time, and you still won't be able to fully trust her. Either way, your relationship with your new housemate has been soured, and if she isn't around for you to talk it through with, it must be driving you crazy playing out all the worst scenarios in your mind. I don't really have any solutions to offer, I can only say I hope it works out well for you, without too many problems.

(And now I'm going to shut up before I risk filling the ecological niche left empty by Phyllis. If I stop using paragraphs, please put me out of my misery before it's too late.)

Thank you. You summarized my feelings to a T!! The two threads were different. And it s killing me to not be able to talk with her. Until I talked with the vet I had been giving her every benefit of a doubt. I don't think it was intentional, but my trust has been shattered. She obviously has no respect for private propety, cats or radios. Thanks again.

OH I know see what he was saying about three threads. I was so upset Saturday I posted my original thread in the Steve Perry forum by mistake. Although it is kind of fitting when you think about it... Maybe I was secretly hoping Steve Perry would sing at the funeral. I know I am making light, but it is the only way I know how to survive these days.....

[Enigma869]

pets aren't kids or your children, anyone who calls a pet their kid is delusional. They aren't just like a kid, they don't shit a diaper, they don't throw cherios all over the floor form their high chair.

While I don't disagree with this sentiment, it doesn't change the fact that family pets become important parts of one's family. I always laugh when I hear people tell me a pet is like having a child. Um, no it's not. In fact, it's NOTHING like having a child, AT ALL! Children are a whole lot more work. Oh, and one other thing...those of you who dress your pets...stop fucking doing it! It makes you and the pet look like a complete jackass!

[Saint John]

Oh, and one other thing...those of you who dress your pets...stop fucking doing it! It makes you and the pet look like a complete jackass!

[Angel]

I always laugh when I hear people tell me a pet is like having a child. Um, no it's not. In fact, it's NOTHING like having a child, AT ALL! Children are a whole lot more work.

I don't feel like my dog is one of my children, but HE thinks he is!