Religion & Morality

[Melissa]

I don't get why anyone uses auto-correct, I think it dumbs people down I HATE it and it's been turned OFF on my phone since the day I got it. I never use spell check either, lol.

[StevePerryHair]

The facts remains that religious people are less intelligent by mere fact that they believe in a sky wizard. That fact alone makes it so...I don't care if your are an attorney, florist, architect, or illegal immigrant.

Oh where to begin.
First, the studies and statistics provided by Parfait indicate that non-religious people are on average more intelligent than religious ones. Parfait himself (albeit reluctantly) conceded that this does not hold true across the board, in every situation, nor does it indicate that there aren't intelligent religious people.
Second, I'd like to see some sources for your facts.... beyond your say-so.
Third, I could be a tremendous ass and point out the couple of glaring grammatical errors in your post, with a cleverly constructed jab at your perception of superior atheist intellect.... but I won't.

Then I would, again, have to point out that I'm using a phone with auto-correct...
After that I would have to ask, using your own criteria(beyond a say-so), where these facts and credible sources are squirreled away that tip the scales in favor of divine command....wait! Are these the same keeps that possess those journey boots?

An intelligent person, after having that happen over and over with auto correct, would proofread their posts...

[StevePerryHair]

I don't get why anyone uses auto-correct, I think it dumbs people down I HATE it and it's been turned OFF on my phone since the day I got it. I never use spell check either, lol.

I love my auto correct!! But I try to check my posts for errors. I would have issues with or without it, because my finger sometimes hits the wrong keys.. Auto correct keeps that from happening as often! You need a virtual keyboard to get it maybe though!

[Melissa]

I don't get why anyone uses auto-correct, I think it dumbs people down I HATE it and it's been turned OFF on my phone since the day I got it. I never use spell check either, lol.

I love my auto correct!! But I try to check my posts for errors. I would have issues with or without it, because my finger sometimes hits the wrong keys.. Auto correct keeps that from happening as often! You need a virtual keyboard to get it maybe though!

Probably! I've played with yours and it seems easy, lol, on mine it would have words pop up WAY too much in the middle of typing, like it anticipates what you're typing, and that was way too annoying to me to keep it on, so I turned that off ASAP!

[Behshad]

The facts remains that religious people are less intelligent by mere fact that they believe in a sky wizard. That fact alone makes it so...I don't care if your are an attorney, florist, architect, or illegal immigrant.

Oh where to begin.
First, the studies and statistics provided by Parfait indicate that non-religious people are on average more intelligent than religious ones. Parfait himself (albeit reluctantly) conceded that this does not hold true across the board, in every situation, nor does it indicate that there aren't intelligent religious people.
Second, I'd like to see some sources for your facts.... beyond your say-so.
Third, I could be a tremendous ass and point out the couple of glaring grammatical errors in your post, with a cleverly constructed jab at your perception of superior atheist intellect.... but I won't.

Then I would, again, have to point out that I'm using a phone with auto-correct...
After that I would have to ask, using your own criteria(beyond a say-so), where these facts and credible sources are squirreled away that tip the scales in favor of divine command....wait! Are these the same keeps that possess those journey boots?

An intelligent person, after having that happen over and over with auto correct, would proofread their posts...

Maybe he is a "closet believer" !

[parfait]

But it so clearly is.

The statistical fact that believers are less intelligent than non-believers obviously doesn't mean that there's no intelligent believers! The average height for Norwegian men is 183 cm (6,0 feet). I'm 190 (6,2 feet), but that does not mean that the aforementioned average height is wrong. Get it?

Whether you think it's bullshit that believers are less intelligent or that you think it's insulting, is irrelevant. It's a statistical fact. Cry and deny it all you want.

I don't even understand your last post. Are you saying you need a vivid imagination to believe in God? Well, duh. One certainly doesn't need a rational or smart mind.

So what you're saying is that there are a larger # of intelligent people who
happen to be non~believers, not that they are more intelligent due to the fact
that they don't believe ...e.g. if I became a non~believer tomorrow, I would
just be increasing their numbers and decreasing the number of
extremely intelligent people who happen to believe ...it makes sense!!

I know one thing that doesn't make any sense what so ever; your post. I'll try to explain this to you, in a way that even you'll understand. Alright? Here we go, sugar tits:

These statistics, which have recorded data over almost a decade (ranging back to 1927), through the measuring the level of education and IQ, will then point to an average - in this case that the religious, on average, is less educated and have a lower IQ. You're not however, more intelligent due to the fact that you don't believe in Ganesha, Thor or the Sparkly Green Unicorn. Lower levels of intelligence are associated with a poorer ability – or perhaps willingness – to question and overturn strongly felt institutions (this being the fear of death or of how nihilistic it all really is, which is the primitive root of all religion). You still following? If you are - good girl!

And it's not my opinion. It's a statistical fact. I explained this in an earlier post. An even more interesting fact however, is that atheists/agnostics scored higher in their knowledge in religion over the religious. Why? Because the aforementioned group examines and researches religion, before coming to the only rational and logical choice there is: religion is a bunch of donkey dick bullshit. Methodist minister Adam Hamilton factors what he calls Christians' lack of introspection and curiosity into their relatively low scores: "They accept their particular faith... to be true and they stop examining it, in turn doesn't bother to examine other faiths."

The percentage of religious is even lower in academics (about 5 percent in universities in England). I think, when reading through my post, you can figure out the reason for that all by yourself.

Managed to get through all of this, sweetypuss? Then reward yourself with a fun treat! Cleaning the windows, maybe?

[Saint John]

But it so clearly is.

The statistical fact that believers are less intelligent than non-believers obviously doesn't mean that there's no intelligent believers! The average height for Norwegian men is 183 cm (6,0 feet). I'm 190 (6,2 feet), but that does not mean that the aforementioned average height is wrong. Get it?

Whether you think it's bullshit that believers are less intelligent or that you think it's insulting, is irrelevant. It's a statistical fact. Cry and deny it all you want.

I don't even understand your last post. Are you saying you need a vivid imagination to believe in God? Well, duh. One certainly doesn't need a rational or smart mind.

So what you're saying is that there are a larger # of intelligent people who
happen to be non~believers, not that they are more intelligent due to the fact
that they don't believe ...e.g. if I became a non~believer tomorrow, I would
just be increasing their numbers and decreasing the number of
extremely intelligent people who happen to believe ...it makes sense!!

I know one thing that doesn't make any sense what so ever; your post. I'll try to explain this to you, in a way that even you'll understand. Alright? Here we go, sugar tits:

These statistics, which have recorded data over almost a decade (ranging back to 1927), through the measuring the level of education and IQ, will then point to an average - in this case that the religious, on average, is less educated and have a lower IQ. You're not however, more intelligent due to the fact that you don't believe in Ganesha, Thor or the Sparkly Green Unicorn. Lower levels of intelligence are associated with a poorer ability – or perhaps willingness – to question and overturn strongly felt institutions (this being the fear of death or of how nihilistic it all really is, which is the primitive root of all religion). You still following? If you are - good girl!

And it's not my opinion. It's a statistical fact. I explained this in an earlier post. An even more interesting fact however, is that atheists/agnostics scored higher in their knowledge in religion over the religious. Why? Because the aforementioned group examines and researches religion, before coming to the only rational and logical choice there is: religion is a bunch of donkey dick bullshit. Methodist minister Adam Hamilton factors what he calls Christians' lack of introspection and curiosity into their relatively low scores: "They accept their particular faith... to be true and they stop examining it, in turn doesn't bother to examine other faiths."

The percentage of religious is even lower in academics (about 5 percent in universities in England). I think, when reading through my post, you can figure out the reason for that all by yourself.

Managed to get through all of this, sweetypuss? Then reward yourself with a fun treat! Cleaning the windows, maybe?

Some truly classic shit in this post, as highlighted in red. Man, thanks for the laugh. When you can combine sarcasm, chauvinism, wit and creativity, you've got a talent. Awaiting MG's response.

[verslibre]

When you can combine sarcasm, chauvinism, wit and creativity, you've got a talent.

Too bad he's two for four.

Or maybe getting urinated on counts for two?

[Michigan Girl]

I know one thing that doesn't make any sense what so ever; your post. I'll try to explain this to you, in a way that even you'll understand. Alright? Here we go, sugar tits:

These statistics, which have recorded data over almost a decade (ranging back to 1927), through the measuring the level of education and IQ, will then point to an average - in this case that the religious, on average, is less educated and have a lower IQ. You're not however, more intelligent due to the fact that you don't believe in Ganesha, Thor or the Sparkly Green Unicorn. Lower levels of intelligence are associated with a poorer ability – or perhaps willingness – to question and overturn strongly felt institutions (this being the fear of death or of how nihilistic it all really is, which is the primitive root of all religion). You still following? If you are - good girl!

And it's not my opinion. It's a statistical fact. I explained this in an earlier post. An even more interesting fact however, is that atheists/agnostics scored higher in their knowledge in religion over the religious. Why? Because the aforementioned group examines and researches religion, before coming to the only rational and logical choice there is: religion is a bunch of donkey dick bullshit. Methodist minister Adam Hamilton factors what he calls Christians' lack of introspection and curiosity into their relatively low scores: "They accept their particular faith... to be true and they stop examining it, in turn doesn't bother to examine other faiths."

The percentage of religious is even lower in academics (about 5 percent in universities in England). I think, when reading through my post, you can figure out the reason for that all by yourself.

Managed to get through all of this, sweetypuss? Then reward yourself with a fun treat! Cleaning the windows, maybe?

Of course I understand, I’m one of the more intelligent dummies …and my post made perfect sense!!
I’m enthralled w/this topic because, other than Michael Stivic, I don’t believe that I have ever known an atheist/an admitted atheist …
you people seem somewhat normal and your arguments interesting. You’re not going to change me, especially now that I know
I can’t get any smarter, but I will continue to read!!

I do suddenly have a craving for something ewwwy, gooey sweet, though!!!

[Behshad]

When you can combine sarcasm, chauvinism, wit and creativity, you've got a talent.

Too bad he's two for four.

Or maybe getting urinated on counts for two?

[Greg]

I totally don't get the purpose in debating the intelligence of believers vs. non-believers. Is it to make people feel superior or make others look stupid? Why not just stick to the topic and let the opinions stand on their own merits? Great example of that here:

God Debate II -- William Lane Craig vs. Sam Harris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqaHXKLRKzg

I agree 100% with you.

[StevePerryHair]

I know one thing that doesn't make any sense what so ever; your post. I'll try to explain this to you, in a way that even you'll understand. Alright? Here we go, sugar tits:

These statistics, which have recorded data over almost a decade (ranging back to 1927), through the measuring the level of education and IQ, will then point to an average - in this case that the religious, on average, is less educated and have a lower IQ. You're not however, more intelligent due to the fact that you don't believe in Ganesha, Thor or the Sparkly Green Unicorn. Lower levels of intelligence are associated with a poorer ability – or perhaps willingness – to question and overturn strongly felt institutions (this being the fear of death or of how nihilistic it all really is, which is the primitive root of all religion). You still following? If you are - good girl!

And it's not my opinion. It's a statistical fact. I explained this in an earlier post. An even more interesting fact however, is that atheists/agnostics scored higher in their knowledge in religion over the religious. Why? Because the aforementioned group examines and researches religion, before coming to the only rational and logical choice there is: religion is a bunch of donkey dick bullshit. Methodist minister Adam Hamilton factors what he calls Christians' lack of introspection and curiosity into their relatively low scores: "They accept their particular faith... to be true and they stop examining it, in turn doesn't bother to examine other faiths."

The percentage of religious is even lower in academics (about 5 percent in universities in England). I think, when reading through my post, you can figure out the reason for that all by yourself.

Managed to get through all of this, sweetypuss? Then reward yourself with a fun treat! Cleaning the windows, maybe?

Of course I understand, I’m one of the more intelligent dummies …and my post made perfect sense!!
I’m enthralled w/this topic because, other than Michael Stivic, I don’t believe that I have ever known an atheist/an admitted atheist …
you people seem somewhat normal and your arguments interesting. You’re not going to change me, especially now that I know
I can’t get any smarter, but I will continue to read!!

I do suddenly have a craving for something ewwwy, gooey sweet, though!!!

A donette?.....

[S2M]

I know one thing that doesn't make any sense what so ever; your post. I'll try to explain this to you, in a way that even you'll understand. Alright? Here we go, sugar tits:

These statistics, which have recorded data over almost a decade (ranging back to 1927), through the measuring the level of education and IQ, will then point to an average - in this case that the religious, on average, is less educated and have a lower IQ. You're not however, more intelligent due to the fact that you don't believe in Ganesha, Thor or the Sparkly Green Unicorn. Lower levels of intelligence are associated with a poorer ability – or perhaps willingness – to question and overturn strongly felt institutions (this being the fear of death or of how nihilistic it all really is, which is the primitive root of all religion). You still following? If you are - good girl!

And it's not my opinion. It's a statistical fact. I explained this in an earlier post. An even more interesting fact however, is that atheists/agnostics scored higher in their knowledge in religion over the religious. Why? Because the aforementioned group examines and researches religion, before coming to the only rational and logical choice there is: religion is a bunch of donkey dick bullshit. Methodist minister Adam Hamilton factors what he calls Christians' lack of introspection and curiosity into their relatively low scores: "They accept their particular faith... to be true and they stop examining it, in turn doesn't bother to examine other faiths."

The percentage of religious is even lower in academics (about 5 percent in universities in England). I think, when reading through my post, you can figure out the reason for that all by yourself.

Managed to get through all of this, sweetypuss? Then reward yourself with a fun treat! Cleaning the windows, maybe?

Of course I understand, I’m one of the more intelligent dummies …and my post made perfect sense!!
I’m enthralled w/this topic because, other than Michael Stivic, I don’t believe that I have ever known an atheist/an admitted atheist …
you people seem somewhat normal and your arguments interesting. You’re not going to change me, especially now that I know
I can’t get any smarter, but I will continue to read!!

I do suddenly have a craving for something ewwwy, gooey sweet, though!!!

A donette?.....

One of your cake balls.....lol

[Michigan Girl]

I do suddenly have a craving for something ewwwy, gooey sweet, though!!!

A donette?.....

chocolate?!?

You know, Lynny ...it just dawned on me that I was surrounded by non~believers @MR Fest.
I didn't see the mark of the devil on anyone ...but, for those of you whose parents
believe that Rock and Roll is the devil's music ...they may have been right!!

[StevePerryHair]

I do suddenly have a craving for something ewwwy, gooey sweet, though!!!

A donette?.....

chocolate?!?

You know, Lynny ...it just dawned on me that I was surrounded by non~believers @MR Fest.
I didn't see the mark of the devil on anyone ...but, for those of you whose parents
believe that Rock and Roll is the devil's music ...they may have been right!!

It's a cult... and we're getting sucked in...... help!!!! And YES!! Is there anything better than something dipped in chocolate???

[Michigan Girl]

I do suddenly have a craving for something ewwwy, gooey sweet, though!!!

A donette?.....

chocolate?!?

You know, Lynny ...it just dawned on me that I was surrounded by non~believers @MR Fest.
I didn't see the mark of the devil on anyone ...but, for those of you whose parents
believe that Rock and Roll is the devil's music ...they may have been right!! :shock:

It's a cult... and we're getting sucked in...... help!!!! And YES!! Is there anything better than something dipped in chocolate???

I should've said/meant ...right now they're reading this thinking they were right!!

yes, please!!

[Deb]

I do suddenly have a craving for something ewwwy, gooey sweet, though!!!

A donette?.....

One of your cake balls.....lol

What the heck are cake balls?

[Gideon]

Then I would, again, have to point out that I'm using a phone with auto-correct...

Already addressed:

An intelligent person, after having that happen over and over with auto correct, would proofread their posts...

After that I would have to ask, using your own criteria(beyond a say-so), where these facts and credible sources are squirreled away that tip the scales in favor of divine command....wait! Are these the same keeps that possess those journey boots?

My initial post in this thread concluded that the only rational worldview is agnoticism. I've never argued that religion is rational. I'm far too clever to fall into that trap.

So with that out of the way, your sources please?

[StevePerryHair]

I do suddenly have a craving for something ewwwy, gooey sweet, though!!!

A donette?.....

One of your cake balls.....lol

What the heck are cake balls?

Yummy chocolate covered balls of yummy goodness!

[Saint John]

chocolate covered balls

Fuck, Lynn, you'll eat anything with chocolate on it!

[StevePerryHair]

chocolate covered balls

Fuck, Lynn, you'll eat anything with chocolate on it!

Pretty much... YES!!

[Deb]

chocolate covered balls

Fuck, Lynn, you'll eat anything with chocolate on it!

Pretty much... YES!!

[artist4perry]

I totally don't get the purpose in debating the intelligence of believers vs. non-believers. Is it to make people feel superior or make others look stupid? Why not just stick to the topic and let the opinions stand on their own merits? Great example of that here:

God Debate II -- William Lane Craig vs. Sam Harris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqaHXKLRKzg

They have a god complex. They think they are omniscient.

[Rick]

I totally don't get the purpose in debating the intelligence of believers vs. non-believers. Is it to make people feel superior or make others look stupid? Why not just stick to the topic and let the opinions stand on their own merits? Great example of that here:

God Debate II -- William Lane Craig vs. Sam Harris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqaHXKLRKzg

They have a god complex. They think they are omniscient.

Got me on that one Ginger. I had to look it up.

om·nis·cient
   [om-nish-uhnt]

adjective
1.
having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things.

noun
2.
an omniscient being.

3.
the Omniscient, God.

[Melissa]

I do suddenly have a craving for something ewwwy, gooey sweet, though!!!

A donette?.....

One of your cake balls.....lol

What the heck are cake balls?

Yummy chocolate covered balls of yummy goodness!

They're AWESOME!

Sean you're not done poking with sticks in here? 19 pages and you haven't gotten enough laughs yet?

[Melissa]

chocolate covered balls

Fuck, Lynn, you'll eat anything with chocolate on it!

She will! I've witnessed!

[S2M]

Are you kidding?! This thread was destined for 50 pages from inception. Start with a great topic, sprinkle in a dash of superiority....a smidge of self-doubt(the devout), <<<<<<<<<<measure in some disparaging comments like that one.....and you have recipe for a classic tete-a-tete....

[artist4perry]

I totally don't get the purpose in debating the intelligence of believers vs. non-believers. Is it to make people feel superior or make others look stupid? Why not just stick to the topic and let the opinions stand on their own merits? Great example of that here:

God Debate II -- William Lane Craig vs. Sam Harris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqaHXKLRKzg

They have a god complex. They think they are omniscient.

Got me on that one Ginger. I had to look it up.

om·nis·cient
   [om-nish-uhnt]

adjective
1.
having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things.

noun
2.
an omniscient being.

3.
the Omniscient, God.

Not too shabby for a dumb art teacher huh?

[S2M]

chocolate covered balls

Fuck, Lynn, you'll eat anything with chocolate on it!

She will! I've witnessed!

I wasn't aware they had chocolate covered clams....

[Melissa]

chocolate covered balls

Fuck, Lynn, you'll eat anything with chocolate on it!

She will! I've witnessed!

I wasn't aware they had chocolate covered clams....

She doesn't eat those around me, I'm allergic to shellfish