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[Don]

A lot of bands have volume one and two GH packages. It's over 20 years between releases so I don't see a problem with it.
Using the same cover as GH 1 and same title + 2 makes sense. Over 40,000 GH discs sold over the last two months. Chances are great that a majority of those people don't have Time3 or Essential Journey. Offering a product that has a visual familiarity with their most recent purchase is just smart business. The eye triggers the brain and impulse takes over. Sony knows what they are doing.

For Revelation, Nomota did everything but wheel out a hobo shopping cart to market their new frontman and album. Whatever works. It's all about making money, after all.

[Don]

Other than Revelation / Best of SP, we can look at this and see which "side" has had more success.

Definitely Schon and Cain, since they're on both sides.

You can't bring yourself to admit that the Perry fronted Journey was and will always be more successful than any other incarnation Journey will throw out there. Sad.

As far as I'm concerned Journey 78-83 is the best band ever.

But I do think people should move on and not get in the way, too.

Who is in the way? The market dictates what should be sold and right now that's classic Journey. If I have a product that can make me money, why shouldn't I put it out there? If the alternative is deemed unworthy by the masses, why shouldn't I step in with something more along the lines of what the casual fan may be looking for?

[Gideon]

Other than Revelation / Best of SP, we can look at this and see which "side" has had more success.

Definitely Schon and Cain, since they're on both sides.

You can't bring yourself to admit that the Perry fronted Journey was and will always be more successful than any other incarnation Journey will throw out there. Sad.

I sincerely hope that you're joking.

[Greg]

Other than Revelation / Best of SP, we can look at this and see which "side" has had more success.

Definitely Schon and Cain, since they're on both sides.

You can't bring yourself to admit that the Perry fronted Journey was and will always be more successful than any other incarnation Journey will throw out there. Sad.

As far as I'm concerned Journey 78-83 is the best band ever.

But I do think people should move on and not get in the way, too.

Honestly, what is there to get in the way of? Eclipse has failed. Journey tours on the greatest hits and a large amount of the songs on this GH II album anyway. If Neal and Jon can capitalize on this, all the more better for them. If Perry is lining his pockets too, who cares? Everybody is happy in the Journey camp. The only ones who really don't like this are those of us who already have everything in Journey's discography to begin with. But, other than that, it's really a brilliant idea. And just think, down the road, they can release a boxset with GH I & II and maybe some off the wall demos of some of these songs and that will probably sell as well.

[Greg]

Other than Revelation / Best of SP, we can look at this and see which "side" has had more success.

Definitely Schon and Cain, since they're on both sides.

You can't bring yourself to admit that the Perry fronted Journey was and will always be more successful than any other incarnation Journey will throw out there. Sad.

I sincerely hope that you're joking.

Of course...we all know it was Arnel the whole time singing those songs from 78 until present.

[escapefan]

I'll buy it just because anything that Perry works on the remastering is usually perfection. Like it or not the man has a talent for it. Just wondering how "emotional" this one was/is for him.

I see it as an opportunity to draw the casual Journey fan into more of their music. The casual fan hasn't probably bought anything other than GH1. So what better way to draw them in. Release a GH2 with other tracks.

Not necessarily my choices but obviously Perry thinks it's the right music for GH2.

WYLAW was a bonus track on the re-release of GH1. I bought both.

I want more concert videos from the Perry fronted Journey.

[marco17]

revelation only sold because of GH were redone...

Sad, but true.

I think the Arnel story gave them some surprising promo too.

The re-records had nothing to do with Revelation's sales. It's just the excuse du jour for the album selling well. Funny how the original sentiment on here was that the fans would roundly reject the package because of those re-records. Now, years later, and almost a million packages moved, it's the only way to justify the sales and pat Perry on the head.

It's really simple. The promotion and exposure (Ellen, Oprah, CBS Sunday Morning Show and GQ), the price, the inclusion of a live DVD and 2 songs on the AC charts, all made it the perfect package. And that's why it sold. Now, let's look at Eclipse. No promotion, no exposure, not nearly the TV audiences reached, no DVD, no songs on the AC charts and a horrible price. The math seems pretty simple to me. Throw in a DVD, put them on Oprah (hypothetically, since she's off the regular air), Ellen, a multi-page article in GQ, put 2 songs on the charts and you'll see similar sales. Probably not as many because the sales of CDs have come down dramatically since Revelation's release, but they'd be at a couple hundred thousand by now (3-4) and still moving units.

True, but they were also riding a lot of exposure with DSB beginning to be in everything, and that is what ultimately, IMO, is what enabled them to get the promotional spots. All of the sudden people remembered Journey and wanted to know what they were up to. It coincided perfectly with Arnel's arrival in the band and his back story. Again, just my opinion, but I think Journey would have seen this resurgence due to DSB regardless to who was fronting the band. Totally agree that the 3 disc package for the price was quite the draw to most. It worked for Journey, but I think it was set up as an impulse buy, but the casual fans may not have been sold enough to worry about waiting for their next release. Lack of promotion for Eclipse and less attention from the media outlets this time around = poor sales. It also happens to be pretty much the same thing that happened to Arrival and Generations, for the same reason.

[Saint John]

Just read the front page. I like the track listing, with the exception of Good Morning Girl and Stay Awhile. Those 2 songs are complete dog shit in every way. Just lazy, uninspired, boring garbage. The rest of the songs seem like great choices.

I think this is long overdue. They have a ton of great songs and have included some great ones, but I think they should have also thrown in a DVD. Personally, I'd like to see one spanning the entire history of Perry's time. That would be cool.

[Gideon]

Of course...we all know it was Arnel the whole time singing those songs from 78 until present.

The idea that Dan somehow does not give Perry his due is a myth produced and perpetuated by Loons. How do I know this? Because as with most things Loony, it has no basis in reality.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and conclude that you are, in fact, a Loon. Would my assessment be accurate?

[Saint John]

Other than Revelation / Best of SP, we can look at this and see which "side" has had more success.

Definitely Schon and Cain, since they're on both sides.

You can't bring yourself to admit that the Perry fronted Journey was and will always be more successful than any other incarnation Journey will throw out there. Sad.

WTF are you talking about? That goes without saying. And I've long said that from 1980-1984 I consider Journey the greatest band ever. Yes, of all-time. Get your facts straight before you start throwing the word "sad" out there.

[Greg]

Of course...we all know it was Arnel the whole time singing those songs from 78 until present.

The idea that Dan somehow does not give Perry his due is a myth produced and perpetuated by Loons. How do I know this? Because as with most things Loony, it has no basis in reality.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and conclude that you are, in fact, a Loon. Would my assessment be accurate?

While it is that a Perry song (Separate Ways) is what turned me on to Journey back in the mid 80's, I have actually been a big fan of all incarnations of their music. That includes Pre-Perry material and Post-Perry material. I remained a huge fan of the band when Augeri came aboard, and was thrilled when Jeff had joined the band. I'm not so much a big fan of them with Arnel, but I recognize that they have put out some decent material with Pineda fronting the band. With that said, am I a loon? No, I don't think so. I think it's very small minded to assume everyone who can truthfully recognize that Journey was out its most successful during their Perry years is not something only Loons can admit to. I can admit to it and appreciate it.

[Don]

Just read the front page. I like the track listing, with the exception of Good Morning Girl and Stay Awhile. Those 2 songs are complete dog shit in every way. Just lazy, uninspired, boring garbage. The rest of the songs seem like great choices.

I think this is long overdue. They have a ton of great songs and have included some great ones, but I think they should have also thrown in a DVD. Personally, I'd like to see one spanning the entire history of Perry's time. That would be cool.

I think Good/Morning Girl/ Stay Awhile (#55), and Just the Same Way (#58 ) were included because of being on the Billboard Top 100. Too Late (#70) might not have been a personal favorite with any of them and thus was excluded.

[marco17]

If Perry weren't doing this with Sony, I am sure...or would hope that the band would have included a couple post-Perry songs. But obviously with Perry doing this, he was going to feature only his material.

[Gideon]

While it is that a Perry song (Separate Ways) is what turned me on to Journey back in the mid 80's, I have actually been a big fan of all incarnations of their music. That includes Pre-Perry material and Post-Perry material. I remained a huge fan of the band when Augeri came aboard, and was thrilled when Jeff had joined the band. I'm not so much a big fan of them with Arnel, but I recognize that they have put out some decent material with Pineda fronting the band. With that said, am I a loon? No, I don't think so.

Ah, common ground. It feels... strange, but nice.

I think it's very small minded to assume everyone who can truthfully recognize that Journey was out its most successful during their Perry years is not something only Loons can admit to. I can admit to it and appreciate it.

Let's clear the air, here, because this is something of an important issue in Journeydom: I do not assume that anyone who recognizes the fact that the Perry years were the most successful is a Loon. People I generally assume are Loons are those who act delusional, in that they register imaginary attacks on Perry; attacks that are not there.

Dan has never even implied that the Perry years weren't the most successful. Which is why your accusation reminds me so strongly of Loonacy. You perceived something that was never there; you fabricated an attack when one wasn't initiated.

[SilvioRodrigues]

I love Perry. My favorite singer...what bothers me is that he never throws out any stuff when Journey is out of activity.

GH is on the charts for years...the Glee thing was in 2009. Sounded like a perfect timing to release GH2, not now, IMO.

Why don't Sony never takes the first step? Why not to release, for example, something in 2007 or 2010? For a fan, I always want more stuff and I agree that Sony wants to do some cash, but for me sounds like a statement of who's the real Journey. JMO.

[Michigan Girl]

Of course...we all know it was Arnel the whole time singing those songs from 78 until present.

The idea that Dan somehow does not give Perry his due is a myth produced and perpetuated by Loons. How do I know this? Because as with most things Loony, it has no basis in reality.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and conclude that you are, in fact, a Loon. Would my assessment be accurate?

While it is that a Perry song (Separate Ways) is what turned me on to Journey back in the mid 80's, I have actually been a big fan of all incarnations of their music. That includes Pre-Perry material and Post-Perry material. I remained a huge fan of the band when Augeri came aboard, and was thrilled when Jeff had joined the band. I'm not so much a big fan of them with Arnel, but I recognize that they have put out some decent material with Pineda fronting the band. With that said, am I a loon? No, I don't think so. I think it's very small minded to assume everyone who can truthfully recognize that Journey was out its most successful during their Perry years is not something only Loons can admit to. I can admit to it and appreciate it.

oh jeez ...perhaps others need to pay closer attention!!

[Gideon]

oh jeez ...perhaps others need to pay closer attention!!

Greg's doing bad enough on his own here, don't make it worse for him by offering your "assistance."

J/k Greg.

[portland]

oh jeez ...perhaps others need to pay closer attention!!

Greg's doing bad enough on his own here, don't make it worse for him by offering your "assistance."

J/k Greg.

Greg's doing just fine

[Gideon]

oh jeez ...perhaps others need to pay closer attention!!

Greg's doing bad enough on his own here, don't make it worse for him by offering your "assistance."

J/k Greg.

Greg's doing just fine

Hence the "J/K" = just kidding. Pay attention, my sweet!

[Don]

I think once Jon and Neal realized there was no chance of anything with Augeri's voice being released on this disc, they jumped on board with both feet..

Contrary to what people may think, I believe Neal and Co are more estranged from Augeri and Soto than they are Perry these days.

[barnsley4]

Having Read this post on and off today i find that not one person has notice that it is coming out on DOUBLE VINYL which IMHO makes this collection more collectable.

[Argus]

Having Read this post on and off today i find that not one person has notice that it is coming out on DOUBLE VINYL which IMHO makes this collection more collectable.

Great catch!

From 1978 through 1988, Journey was undisputedly one of the most popular and successful bands in the US. Their original studio albums were massive sellers, with more than 30 singles reaching Billboard's Top 100 charts. Journey's success grew with each release, selling out stadiums across the U.S., and for all intents and purposes inventing the AOR radio format (Album Oriented Rock). During the bands' hiatus in 1988, the Greatest Hits album was issued, surveying 15 tracks from the band's 7 albums. Over the years, Journey's music has been used in films and recently in several high-profile TV shows (particularly the song "Don t Stop Believin'"). Now 16X Platinum in the U.S., Journey's Greatest Hits has taken on a life of its own, garnering new fans who have discovered the band through shows like Glee, Family Guy, The Sopranos and American Idol. But as successful as Greatest Hits is, it's only a part of the Journey story. Several Top 40 and Top 20 singles were not included, as well as songs near and dear to principal songwriters Steve Perry, Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain. For those who love the Greatest Hits and want more, Columbia/Legacy is proud to release Greatest Hits Volume 2 on 180-gram vinyl.

http://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Hits-2-Vinyl-Journey/dp/B005FXXTCS/ref=pd_sim_sbs_m_4

[Toph]

This is an utter fucking joke.

What a lame ass release. This has to be a joke?

I agree, I'm passing on this one. I already have all of the songs anyway. What I would really like to see them do is release concert videos with CD's from every tour that they did with Perry.

Don't know why so many of you are bitching. Seems to me to complete the Journey Greatest Hits package that so many thought fell short with GH1 and then the Essential Journey. Every single Journey top 40 hit is now on either GH1 or GH1. There are also some strong rock tracks on GH2 as well. Almost every track was on the radio.

1. Stone In Love - Huge Album Rock hit - still played today on many stations

2. After The Fall - #23 Pop, #30 Rock Track in 1983

3. Chain Reaction - Rock Track; MTV video

4. The Party s Over (Hopelessly In Love) - #34 Pop, #2 Rock Track

5. Escape - Rock Track; Concert Staple; Title Track of biggest LP

6. Still They Ride - #19 Pop

7. Good Morning Girl 8. Stay Awhile - #55 Pop

9. Suzanne - #17 Pop

10. Feeling That Way 11. Anytime - Rock Track; Concert Staple; #83 Pop

12. Walks Like A Lady - #32 pop

13. Little Girl - This one is a mystery, unless they wanted to have something on as a track from Dream After Dream

14. Just The Same Way - #58 Pop; Rock Track

15. Patiently - Classic rock track

16. When I Think Of You - another mystery, but would have been the next single off TBF had their not been the breakup; unlike some of you all, I think this is an excellent tune

17. Mother, Father (Live In Houston 1981) - Classic rock track off Escape

You could argue that WITOY and LG do not deserve to be on there, but if you look at their chart history, there is really nothing that has been omitted. You could make the case for a few additoinal songs:
- Message Of Love - #18 Rock Track
- If He Should Break Your Heart - #21 AC
- Why Can't This Night Go On - #24 AC, #60 Pop
- Raised On Radio - #27 Rock
- Dixie Highway - #30 Rock (but just 1 week on chart - a blip on the radar)
- Natural Thing - #32 Rock
- Can't Tame the Lion - #33 Rock
- Too Late - #70 Pop

But I for one think Steve and Sony got it right. The highest pop charting song left off is WCTNGOF at #60 and then Too Late at #70. EVERY OTHER JOURNEY SONG THAT APPEARED ON THE BILLBOARD 100 POP CHART IS INCLUDED. You can't argue with that. Great job. I'll be getting this to add to my collection.

[Rick]

I will probably buy this but I think that most subsequent greatest hits packages should move forward and not back (or stand still like this.) What I mean is a 2nd greatest hits package normally has the hits from succeeding albums... but Journey's greatest hits volume 2 has stuff from, surprise, surprise, early to late Perry-era...

I would have expected a second greatest hits cd to have stuff from Arrival, Generations, Revelation and the singles from Eclipse (even though it's a flop)... but of course with all the different labels conflicting that idea, that would be difficult. I have all the songs on this track list already, from owning the Essentials and The Very Best of. Still, I'll buy it because, why the fuck not? I'm a hardcore enough fan not to think it's a waste of money. Just another Journey album that will sit with the other ones on my basement shrine.

None of those albums have any songs on them that the public considers hits. I do agree with your thoughts on what a subsequent GH should be though.

The Very Best of has lots of songs that the public don't consider the very best of either... and a few of the ones on the Essentials the fans here have deemed not essential. I doubt on any subsequent greatest hits cd that whether they're huge hits or not isn't very relevant (some cases are the opposite) but just take a look at a lot of them, some just have songs that charted or were released as singles. That's all I'm saying, that there's songs from those albums that should be on a compilation, and I do agree that the majority of the songs from those 4 albums weren't huge hits, but look, a couple of the songs on GH V.2 weren't that huge, either.

Very good points.

[barnsley4]

Having Read this post on and off today i find that not one person has notice that it is coming out on DOUBLE VINYL which IMHO makes this collection more collectable.

Great catch!

From 1978 through 1988, Journey was undisputedly one of the most popular and successful bands in the US. Their original studio albums were massive sellers, with more than 30 singles reaching Billboard's Top 100 charts. Journey's success grew with each release, selling out stadiums across the U.S., and for all intents and purposes inventing the AOR radio format (Album Oriented Rock). During the bands' hiatus in 1988, the Greatest Hits album was issued, surveying 15 tracks from the band's 7 albums. Over the years, Journey's music has been used in films and recently in several high-profile TV shows (particularly the song "Don t Stop Believin'"). Now 16X Platinum in the U.S., Journey's Greatest Hits has taken on a life of its own, garnering new fans who have discovered the band through shows like Glee, Family Guy, The Sopranos and American Idol. But as successful as Greatest Hits is, it's only a part of the Journey story. Several Top 40 and Top 20 singles were not included, as well as songs near and dear to principal songwriters Steve Perry, Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain. For those who love the Greatest Hits and want more, Columbia/Legacy is proud to release Greatest Hits Volume 2 on 180-gram vinyl.

http://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Hits-2-Vinyl-Journey/dp/B005FXXTCS/ref=pd_sim_sbs_m_4

Thanks Cj.

It would have better if they had released it on either 2 Coloured Vinyl or 2 Picture Discs especially as vinyl is making a big comeback.

[Saint John]

Now 16X Platinum in the U.S., Journey's Greatest Hits

Don, did you see this? They updated the certification.

[Don]

Now 16X Platinum in the U.S., Journey's Greatest Hits

Don, did you see this? They updated the certification.

It's not on the newly released list for July certifications, maybe we'll see it next month.

[Greg]

While it is that a Perry song (Separate Ways) is what turned me on to Journey back in the mid 80's, I have actually been a big fan of all incarnations of their music. That includes Pre-Perry material and Post-Perry material. I remained a huge fan of the band when Augeri came aboard, and was thrilled when Jeff had joined the band. I'm not so much a big fan of them with Arnel, but I recognize that they have put out some decent material with Pineda fronting the band. With that said, am I a loon? No, I don't think so.

Ah, common ground. It feels... strange, but nice.

I think it's very small minded to assume everyone who can truthfully recognize that Journey was out its most successful during their Perry years is not something only Loons can admit to. I can admit to it and appreciate it.

Let's clear the air, here, because this is something of an important issue in Journeydom: I do not assume that anyone who recognizes the fact that the Perry years were the most successful is a Loon. People I generally assume are Loons are those who act delusional, in that they register imaginary attacks on Perry; attacks that are not there.

Dan has never even implied that the Perry years weren't the most successful. Which is why your accusation reminds me so strongly of Loonacy. You perceived something that was never there; you fabricated an attack when one wasn't initiated.

Let's clear the air. Don't talk down to me. OK? I think you're an OK dude and probably someone I'd have a beer with, but if you want to get on my bad side, keep talking down to me. You are in no position to be authoritative to me. Is that clear enough? Also, stop with the butt kissing with Dan. Please, Dan can take care of himself. It's almost embarrassing seeing you run to his aid every time someone posts a rebuttal to what he's said. Dan is a big boy and can take care of himself. Dan also knows I think he's a good dude and I respect him a lot. I don't always agree with what he says, and he doesn't always agree with what I say, but we don't need a third party jumping in and throwing their spin into what they think Dan is saying. We definitely don't need a shit stirrer to push things over the edge.

[Greg]

Other than Revelation / Best of SP, we can look at this and see which "side" has had more success.

Definitely Schon and Cain, since they're on both sides.

You can't bring yourself to admit that the Perry fronted Journey was and will always be more successful than any other incarnation Journey will throw out there. Sad.

WTF are you talking about? That goes without saying. And I've long said that from 1980-1984 I consider Journey the greatest band ever. Yes, of all-time. Get your facts straight before you start throwing the word "sad" out there.

Fair enough. Maybe I should have made my point a bit clearer. In retrospect, I should have said, which "side" Schon/New Releases or Perry/Greatest Hits had the most success with their marketing? It would go to Steve Perry and Sony. Maybe they have an upper hand with their product being a proven success already, but still, I can't agree that Schon and Cain had much to do with those compilations and their success other than the music itself. In THAT respect, I'd agree that it's Schon, Cain, AND Perry.

[Gideon]

Let's clear the air. Don't talk down to me. OK? I think you're an OK dude and probably someone I'd have a beer with, but if you want to get on my bad side, keep talking down to me. You are in no position to be authoritative to me. Is that clear enough? Also, stop with the butt kissing with Dan. Please, Dan can take care of himself. It's almost embarrassing seeing you run to his aid every time someone posts a rebuttal to what he's said. Dan is a big boy and can take care of himself. Dan also knows I think he's a good dude and I respect him a lot. I don't always agree with what he says, and he doesn't always agree with what I say, but we don't need a third party jumping in and throwing their spin into what they think Dan is saying. We definitely don't need a shit stirrer to push things over the edge.

For someone who hates to be "talked down to" and doesn't like it when people "throw a spin on what they think Dan is saying," you managed to do both in a single post:

You can't bring yourself to admit that the Perry fronted Journey was and will always be more successful than any other incarnation Journey will throw out there. Sad.

As far as the rest goes, I'm sorry you feel that I was being condescending (I wasn't trying to be) and I genuinely apologize if it bothered you, but all I was doing was pointing out bullshit; it has nothing to do with defending Dan or anyone else. But I don't like bullshit and I do my best to clean it up when I see it.

If you don't like or respect that, that's your prerogative, but it's not going to change. But, for the record, I'm pretty fond of you and all the other posters here, so don't take it personally.