Journey - Greatest Hits Volume 2 - This title will be releas

[Saint John]

Against The Wall was never completed or released.

Because it was that bad.

[Saint John]

Now they have one of the greatest, in Azoff ...even that didn't help with the new sound everyone wanted to hear.

Irving Azoff is basically part of a corporate monopoly and he's able to help pack sheds. But as far as vision and promotion go, he doesn't give two shits about Journey. Why should he bust his tail to put money in just their pockets? He's more of a CEO than a manager, and Nostrildamus was keenly aware of what old Irv would do with the band while he was destroying what was left of what Herbie, Neal and Greg built.

[RedWingFan]

Against The Wall was never completed or released.

Because it was that bad.

It's better to go that route, rather than bitching and moaning about needing to make and release the record you want to release. Then top off the underwhelming music with packaging to match. I'm so glad I never wasted $10 on Eclipse. Sure the songs from Against The Wall weren't his best work, but at least they were additional tracks on a Greatest Hits CD.

Perry 1

Neil 0

[Michigan Girl]

I can see that, re: Azoff. Although, it's normally the duty of a music manager to distribute
and promote you, for a mere 15 to 20% of your net income (which includes lp sales),
I can see where he would think he'd lose more promoting Eclipse than he would
gain, smart move!!


Brilliant move putting NR and Foreigner on this tour ticket!!

[Gideon]

Sure the songs from Against The Wall weren't his best work,

That's putting it very mildly. You certainly pull your punches with Perry, don't you?

[steveo777]

I can see that, re: Azoff. Although, it's normally the duty of a music manager to distribute
and promote you, for a mere 15 to 20% of your net income (which includes lp sales),
I can see where he would think he'd lose more promoting Eclipse than he would
gain, smart move!!


Brilliant move putting NR and Foreigner on this tour ticket!!

There is one too many acts on this bill and we are getting short changed on the sets because of it. I feel Journey could
have played a couple more songs from the new album, had they not needed to work within a certain time frame to
appease those who need to hear all of the DD. If Journey would have done some gigs with Night Ranger and some with Foreigner,
both of those bands would have played better sets too.

[RedWingFan]

I can see that, re: Azoff. Although, it's normally the duty of a music manager to distribute
and promote you, for a mere 15 to 20% of your net income (which includes lp sales),
I can see where he would think he'd lose more promoting Eclipse than he would
gain, smart move!!


Brilliant move putting NR and Foreigner on this tour ticket!!

There is one too many acts on this bill and we are getting short changed on the sets because of it. I feel Journey could
have played a couple more songs from the new album, had they not needed to work within a certain time frame to
appease those who need to hear all of the DD.

You're 100% wrong. The new songs went over like a lead balloon, as did Send Her My Love. The crowd (at the Detroit show at least) totally checked out. It would have made a much better show if Journey were to CUT 3 tracks and give the extra 15 minutes to Night Ranger who were the best band of the night.

[Eric]

I can see that, re: Azoff. Although, it's normally the duty of a music manager to distribute
and promote you, for a mere 15 to 20% of your net income (which includes lp sales),
I can see where he would think he'd lose more promoting Eclipse than he would
gain, smart move!!


Brilliant move putting NR and Foreigner on this tour ticket!!

There is one too many acts on this bill and we are getting short changed on the sets because of it. I feel Journey could
have played a couple more songs from the new album, had they not needed to work within a certain time frame to
appease those who need to hear all of the DD.

You're 100% wrong. The new songs went over like a lead balloon, as did Send Her My Love. The crowd (at the Detroit show at least) totally checked out. It would have made a much better show if Journey were to CUT 3 tracks and give the extra 15 minutes to Night Ranger who were the best band of the night.

City of Hope went over very well at the show I went to. Edge of the Moment did not. Worst energy killer of the night - period - was the piano solo before Open Arms. The crowd almost seemed like they WANTED to support the band for Edge of the Moment, but the energy literally drained out for the piano solo in the form of sitting down, pissing and just leaving. I'd say 5% of the crowd left during the piano solo. Its a rock-n-roll show - they need to drop that and only play it for "evenings with".

[Don]

I can see that, re: Azoff. Although, it's normally the duty of a music manager to distribute
and promote you, for a mere 15 to 20% of your net income (which includes lp sales),
I can see where he would think he'd lose more promoting Eclipse than he would
gain, smart move!!


Brilliant move putting NR and Foreigner on this tour ticket!!

There is one too many acts on this bill and we are getting short changed on the sets because of it. I feel Journey could
have played a couple more songs from the new album, had they not needed to work within a certain time frame to
appease those who need to hear all of the DD. If Journey would have done some gigs with Night Ranger and some with Foreigner,
both of those bands would have played better sets too.

You mean like the other night when they added WYLAW and La Do Da to the setlist instead of AIP or SAM? Fucking La Do DA? The only thing I can fathom with adding those two songs are they don't require intense vocal work. I think it's safe to assume that with the exception of diehards, both songs sure aren't being clamored for by the MAJORITY of the fans. For Neal to add those two and forego songs from Eclipse or even AATY from Revelation really makes a person wonder how much confidence the band has in the post Perry catalog in a live setting.

[RedWingFan]

I can see that, re: Azoff. Although, it's normally the duty of a music manager to distribute
and promote you, for a mere 15 to 20% of your net income (which includes lp sales),
I can see where he would think he'd lose more promoting Eclipse than he would
gain, smart move!!


Brilliant move putting NR and Foreigner on this tour ticket!!

There is one too many acts on this bill and we are getting short changed on the sets because of it. I feel Journey could
have played a couple more songs from the new album, had they not needed to work within a certain time frame to
appease those who need to hear all of the DD.

You're 100% wrong. The new songs went over like a lead balloon, as did Send Her My Love. The crowd (at the Detroit show at least) totally checked out. It would have made a much better show if Journey were to CUT 3 tracks and give the extra 15 minutes to Night Ranger who were the best band of the night.

City of Hope went over very well at the show I went to. Edge of the Moment did not. Worst energy killer of the night - period - was the piano solo before Open Arms. The crowd almost seemed like they WANTED to support the band for Edge of the Moment, but the energy literally drained out for the piano solo in the form of sitting down, pissing and just leaving. I'd say 5% of the crowd left during the piano solo. Its a rock-n-roll show - they need to drop that and only play it for "evenings with".

Oh yeah forgot about Cain's 2 little solo's you're right, more wasted time. I remember for "City of Hope" the crowd was standing until they got to the first chorus, then the crowd promptly took their seats. I understand why they played it trying to sell it. But for the "best show" that Steveo mentioned, would have been to cut them and let Night Ranger play "Goodbye", "Four in the Morning" and "Sentimental Street"

[Saint John]

WYLAW

Man, unlike you, I thought he did a really nice on that one, and it got almost no applause. people just don't identify with anything other than the DD. MOL was the same way, too. And they tried it with Augeri and Soto. A little better applause, but not much. I think the opening slot helped the applause or it would have gotten the "golf clap," too.

[Don]

WYLAW

Man, unlike you, I thought he did a really nice on that one, and it got almost no applause. people just don't identify with anything other than the DD. MOL was the same way, too. And they tried it with Augeri and Soto. A little better applause, but not much. I think the opening slot helped the applause or it would have gotten the "golf clap," too.

I felt the way he did it at the Jones show made it almost like a karaoke sing along, he wasn't powering it up at all. Why they pulled that out of the hat instead of bringing back a song like Resonate which many here seem to like doesn't make sense to me. I did read where Cain was asking AP what he thought people wanted to hear and Pineda brought that up on his site. If it becomes a request tour instead of the ECLIPSE tour, shows will get watered down with ballads real quick.

[Eric]

let Night Ranger play "Goodbye", "Four in the Morning" and "Sentimental Street"

Rumors in the air, Eddie's coming out tonight, Secret of my Success. But Foreigner, too, didn't play any of my faves: Rev on the Red line, That was Yesterday, Say You Will, Blue Morning.

Yeah, 3 bands is too much.

[Don]

Azoff's venues and bands. He wants to make sure all of his clients make money and sometimes that means taking a little from one to help another, thus slicing the pie three ways instead of two may mean smaller pieces but at least everyone eats.

[Don]

WYLAW

Man, unlike you, I thought he did a really nice on that one, and it got almost no applause. people just don't identify with anything other than the DD. MOL was the same way, too. And they tried it with Augeri and Soto. A little better applause, but not much. I think the opening slot helped the applause or it would have gotten the "golf clap," too.

It would be interesting to see if they would include both songs in the Japan shows next year. MOL was a minor hit at #71 on the Japanese Charts but WYLAW climbed all the way to #6 over there.

[Saint John]

WYLAW

Man, unlike you, I thought he did a really nice on that one, and it got almost no applause. people just don't identify with anything other than the DD. MOL was the same way, too. And they tried it with Augeri and Soto. A little better applause, but not much. I think the opening slot helped the applause or it would have gotten the "golf clap," too.

It would be interesting to see if they would include both songs in the Japan shows next year. MOL was a minor hit at #71 on the Japanese Charts but WYLAW climbed all the way to #6 over there.

I think that makes WYLAW a must play.

[annie89509]

but, aw shucks, my favorite Journey song, WCTNGOF, got left out again. Don't believe it was on the Essential 2cd, either. Why, Steve, you were great on it????

It did make it on to the Billboard Hot 100, unlike a number of the songs that are on GH 2.

That was my point, WCTNGOF charted back in the day...#58 or something like that. Yet, it was left out in all the compilations, save TIME3. I guess the thinking is songs from ROR already heavily represented (with their others hits being GCHI, BGTY, IBAWY, Suz). It seems SP, with this release, is reaching deeper into their early years (Gregg Rolie). Hey...a slight to JC... j/k...joke!!!

[annie89509]

well...after all these years, we know who still "holds the keys", don't we?

I guess it's a matter of perspective. You say "holds the keys" and I say "lives in the past." Listen, the guy is content with helping Sony repackage the same thing over and over and over, and that's great. Like they really need help with a track listing to which songs charted or were popular! I'm all for selling products. But to offer up the mere consent of Neal and Jon as some badge of merit for a guy that has toyed with "scales, thinking about it, demos, 50 songs" and every other bullshit half-truth is just lame. Kind of like "Uncle Stevie isn't getting any younger, you know?" The guy sits on his ass for 17 years doing nothing but playing the "Journey didn't wait for me!!!" victim and now he's playing the age card?!? Someone has a major problem with the truth.

Not my perspective.... I was reiterating a common quote around Journeylore....following Deb's post highlighting that SP picked the songs with Jon& Neal's consent.

[scarygirl]

I have an exclusive news report on this release going up with today's news update.

Andrew,

Do you thik we will ever see some older concert footage released and packaged ala Infinity, Evoluton era?

[scarygirl]

Against The Wall was never completed or released.

Because it was that bad.

I'm a loon and I agree. Some song about summertime or something or other.

[separate_wayz]

I burned my own "Greatest Hits: Part II". I'll listen to this any day before I listen to the official one:

Journey: 1998-2010

1 Remember Me
2 The Place in Your Heart (w/ S. Augeri)
3 Higher Place
4 Faith in the Heartland (w/ S. Augeri)
5 Live and Breathe
6 Lifetime of Dreams
7 Kiss Me Softly
8 After All These Years
9 Never Walk Away
10 Wildest Dream
11 Beyond the Clouds
12 We Will Meet Again

[Don]

The Greatest Hits maintains it's position at #74 this week. AIP debuts at #30 on the A/C chart but it's not enough to bring Eclipse back onto the Album chart.

[Saint John]

. AIP debuts at #30 on the A/C chart

Cool. Glad to see they're supporting it so well in concert!

[Don]

For some reason, I actually was a teeny bit surprised to see a link to pre-order this (JGH2) over on Journeymusic's home page. 10 bucks for the CD or 256kbps Download and $23 for the vinyl version.

[Saint John]

For some reason, I actually was a teeny bit surprised to see a link to pre-order this (JGH2) over on Journeymusic's home page.

There's no "I" in team.

[Deb]

well...after all these years, we know who still "holds the keys", don't we?

I guess it's a matter of perspective. You say "holds the keys" and I say "lives in the past." Listen, the guy is content with helping Sony repackage the same thing over and over and over, and that's great. Like they really need help with a track listing to which songs charted or were popular! I'm all for selling products. But to offer up the mere consent of Neal and Jon as some badge of merit for a guy that has toyed with "scales, thinking about it, demos, 50 songs" and every other bullshit half-truth is just lame. Kind of like "Uncle Stevie isn't getting any younger, you know?" The guy sits on his ass for 17 years doing nothing but playing the "Journey didn't wait for me!!!" victim and now he's playing the age card?!? Someone has a major problem with the truth.

Seriously dude, I can imagine if someone just started reading this forum.......I'm sure they'd be thinking that Perry (and Soto for that matter) done f*cked you over somehow? Good gawd, where to start........ Badge of Merit? Sitting on his ass for 17 years? Like you have any idea what he's been doing? And when was the last time he has mentioned anything about Journey not waiting for him? You are the one that seems to have a major problem with what he does with his life. So what.......if asked, he mentions that he's been writing, etc. Or in the studios helping out other young artists. Sony want to work with him on releasing some old stuff, hey that's what the fans want. I just don't get your anger towards Perry (or Soto), it's like you feel the need to invalidate or negate them every chance you get, especially Soto.

[Don]

'No man is rich enough to buy back his past.'

[Saint John]

Seriously dude, I can imagine if someone just started reading this forum.......I'm sure they'd be thinking that Perry (and Soto for that matter) done f*cked you over somehow?

And by the same token, I'm sure they'd think that you're a 14 year old locked in the body of a 40 year old. You know, the kind that travels around under the guise of "live music" only to come back and showcase the latest shameless hugs and face licking encounters. Once, just once, can you meet a male artist or "fave" without a hug or face licking? I'm not sure I'd let anyone do that shit to me and I'm quite sure that I can meet people that I admire without a hug. A simple "It's a great honor to meet someone whose work I've admired" and a handshake would suffice. You? No way. No trip is complete without a hug and some saliva. I'm quite sure there's a simultaneous mini-seismic event south of the border, as well.

Badge of Merit?

Yes. Annie portrayed the legality of Steve's consent as some sort of smoking gun that Neal and Jon can't wipe their asses without asking Steve Perry.

Sitting on his ass for 17 years?

Relative to his profession of singing, yes, that's what he's done.

Like you have any idea what he's been doing?

Nor do I give a fuck. I have no interest in polishing the Journey star or traveling to meet such obsessive fans that have stalked the man. I post opinions on a message board, and touch on the stuff that's debatable. That's what this place is for.

And when was the last time he has mentioned anything about Journey not waiting for him?

He's buried that card back in the deck. Time and 0 performances have proven him to be a liar. He claims he wanted Journey to wait on his hip surgery, yet almost 15 years later he's only now ambiguously admitting that it isn't in fact his hip that keeps him from singing, but some sort of vocal and/or neck condition. And now he's hinting that he might be too old to tour or perform live. As if he was jailed for the last 17 years.

I just don't get your anger towards Perry (or Soto), it's like you feel the need to invalidate or negate them every chance you get, especially Soto.

Those hugs must have squeezed some of your brains out. I have never, not once, derided Soto in any sort of personal way. I have never called him a name or attacked him. He, on the other hand, has called me all sorts of names. But that's ok because I'm "thick skinned," something he claims to be. Lol ... yeah, calling an anonymous message board poster a "****" and playing some irrational "race card" with Carlitto when you have a high profile job like fronting Journey seems a bit at odds with that sentiment. Mr. Perry? Yes, I have called him a few names in the past and I am sorry for that.


Have a good weekend!

[Michigan Girl]

Some people shake hands, some hug ...if given the opportunity,
I'm hugging!! I also don't mind a little clean spit!!

May I say I love Deb's pics!!


As far as the # of acts ...no, not too many, ESPECIALLY
if the J~boyz aren't doing new stuff ...NR and Foreigner
are pulling me in!!

[Deb]

Seriously dude, I can imagine if someone just started reading this forum.......I'm sure they'd be thinking that Perry (and Soto for that matter) done f*cked you over somehow?

And by the same token, I'm sure they'd think that you're a 14 year old locked in the body of a 40 year old. You know, the kind that travels around under the guise of "live music" only to come back and showcase the latest shameless hugs and face licking encounters. Once, just once, can you meet a male artist or "fave" without a hug or face licking? I'm not sure I'd let anyone do that shit to me and I'm quite sure that I can meet people that I admire without a hug. A simple "It's a great honor to meet someone whose work I've admired" and a handshake would suffice. You? No way. No trip is complete without a hug and some saliva. I'm quite sure there's a simultaneous mini-seismic event south of the border, as well.

For starters, nobody was licking anybody's face. And hey, I don't just go around hugging people, I respect their space........they hugged me first. So, what? I can't hug back? And not going to apologize in the least that my faves happen to be warm, fan friendly artists....that appreciate their fans. They are just people too, some people are huggers and some aren't. Not to mention the first time you met me you hugged me........but remember next time, a hand shake will suffice.

I'm also not going to apologize or change in anyway the fact that I support my faves and will travel to catch a live show now and then. Call me a 14 year old all ya want (40? your off on the age, but thanks ) but love seeing live shows with friends and will continue to put my travel $s down on my faves for as long as they'll continue to play live. Personally, I think you just can't stand happy people living life to the fullest.